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Excellent channel! Tallest mountain where im from is just over 1000m. Cant even imagine what an 8k peak must look like, never mind climb one!

I think they made it.

@@nhdoodle3167 Think.., based on what? A feeling? :)

@@oneshothunter9877 they did make it. Entire climbing world knows it. Mallory is the first to ever reech the mountain and tens of years before anyone was close truly remarkable achievement one of the best in history of men.

Amen. For Rob Hall to not only survive the night, totally exposed and with zero oxygen, but still be coherent and able to talk? It’s an absolute astronomical achievement. I wish they would name a technical spot at the final ascent on Everest after Rob Hall, similar to the Hilary Step. He is among Everest’s greats, up there with Hillary and Mallory (ironically both men with women’s last names). I always wonder what if, what if Rob had just come down and left Doug. It was more than just a monetary obligation, that’s for sure. Rob had human dignity and spirit, but I do also believe that business played a part of it. He was the team leader and owner of Adventure Consultants, I feel that he not only felt obligated but could not live with himself if he left Doug up there. He made a promise to bring him down. Me personally, as a parent, I would never choose anyone, even my own husband or parents, over my children. He had a pregnant wife at home, and I wish so much that he would have just left Doug. That child deserved their father.

I would have preferred that Rob had stuck to his 2pm turnaround and turned his client around...Had that happened there was a chance both men would have survived....​@@a.walters123

As does Odell's attempted rescue detour.

They didn't have the luxury of the modern routes and the modern climbing gear that climbers have today. They had to figure it out as they went. They are true pioneers

@Matthew Aguirre If they had better equipment they sure would have used it! Thats why Itsvery doubtful he made it. A bad storm,,,,, no protection from the cold, even Todays climbers would not have it due to the storm! and running out of O2.

Yes I believe he was also wearing slippers and carrying newspaper under his arm

@@matthewstevenson3002 🤣🤣🤣

Absolutely!!!😃😃😃☕☕☕🥁🥁🥁🌃🌃🌃

Actually we don't know if that was Mallory. Could have been Irvine wearing his jacket but What if he did leave it at the summit and the snow and wind got rid of it after 30+ plus years of being at the summit alone.

@@abone2pickNonsense. Different physiques, different hair colours.

@@ernreeders1487 I said "could have".... and even tho that's true the body that was found in 1999 did not have hair on it for you to distinguish it. you cant just just identify someone by the bones on their back and a fractured leg bone.

What if Hillary picked up the picture of Mallory's wife and once he got back to camp threw it away, so he could have the game of being the first to climb to the top??? Hi, I'm Allison, and I have trust issues... Lol

@@allisond9387 That Hillary fella did sound like a dodgy character 🤔See, you're not the only one with trust issues mate😁 On a serious note though, they're all heroes and deserve respect.

England will claim it even though it's unlikely.

@@jannamyers6792 Mallory and Irvine did make it to the summit in my opinion. I don't think Edmund Hillary was the first to conquer Mt Everest. There were Sherpas that have climbed the mountain before Hillary did, AND made it to the top.

@@Armageddon-qo4wy Can you expand on the sherpas?

@@taotoo2 yes, your imagination can do anything you want. You just have to believe.. lol

@@jannamyers6792 England already gets to claim the 1953 summit by Hilary and Norgay so I’m not sure they’d care to double claim both for no reason without the evidence to prove the first set of climbers out-Englanded the second set basically in summiting 30ish years prior lol

Flag? According to sources Mallory didn't do that and never had a flag on prior expeditions.

So why hasn't anyone else ever found the photo then?

@Alfred Weber OK thanks.

@@Peekaboo-Kitty Its unlikely anything left up there would have survive for 30yrs till Hillary got there. also I'm not saying foul play was involved but it was suggested decades ago that if a person reached the summit and had the chance of winning the title of being first to conquer everest but found evidence that mallory had got there first, that evidence could dissapear. We will never know.

@@Peekaboo-Kitty how long do you think a photo lasts on top of Everest?

Irvine probably froze to death in a slot, he was seen twice but not for ages. But he apparently didn't fall off.

@@YouHadOneJobOntario where did you get this information? I am extremely curious!!

@@jonschlottig9584 hi. I study stuff. Right now Im back to genealogy. I have formulated the Everest document back 2 weeks ago. so some changes since. It's not of my interest anymore since I have made the document. You'll be happy to hear about it.

Mount Everest was first observed ever, by the Southern Tibetans, circa long before year 1715, and was locally known as Mount Devgiri or Mount Devadurga. The First identification and recording of the peak on a map using scientific methods were Chinese surveyors Shengzhu, Churbizanbo and Lanbenzhanba, who conducted the survey in Tibet in 1716. Mount Everest was secondly identified in 1721 on the Kangxi Atlas survey of China. Mount Everest was thirdly identified by the Westerners during the Great Trigonometrical Survey of the Himalayas in 1841, and recognized as the tallest mountain in the world. Established as highest in 1852 by Radhanath Sikdar and confirmed officially in 1856. Chinese Name: Mount Qomolangma (1721 and 1952) French map Name: Mount Tchoumour Lancma (1733) Western/British Name: Mount Chomolangma (1721), Peak XV (1841), Mount Everest (1865) Tibetan Name: Mount Devgiri or Mount Devadurga (before 1721), Mount Chomolungma (1721) Nepalese Name: Mount Sagarmatha (1836 and 1960)

1st person to summit Everest: (1924) George Leigh-Mallory (English UK) (North Side of Everest) 1886-1924 Mallory was a professional rock climber. They took up a part of the North East ridge, approching the first step, then passed under it, avoiding the 2sd step by the rock band, joining the Norton couloir, to reach the 3rd step. Irvine wouldn't be able to climb the 2sd step in the first place. They knew of that problem, hence why the route they've took was on the north face, joining the Norton couloir. Odell firstly Said they were going to the summit by 3 hours, which is at the 3rd step, and saw them at 12:50pm. "The last step but one from the base of the final pyramid", climbed with alacrity. In any pictures of Everest or Odell's viewpoint, the foot of the final pyramid is the 3rd step. The foot of the next bigger pyramid is the first step. It's impossible for them to only be at the first step by the time. A very short time after, in the same 1924 year, He was sure to see them at the second step, then in 1925, he was unsure if it was the first or second step. He sure was under heavy pressure to retract his visions by Chinese correspondants, to make it looks like a summit fail as soon as you hear him say second step, which already doesn't even matches the third step that he was very firstly noting. Experienced Everest climbers climbing the 3rd step noticed that this particular step matched perfectly what Odell described. The rather severe blizzard hits Mallory and Irvine at 2h30 hours left from summiting Everest. Irvine carried the camera. Mallory needed The camera on the summit, to give it back to Irvine. If Irvine decided to turn back, Mallory would have the camera. Both men summited during the blizzard. If Irvine decided to turn back a bit after the third step, the pair wouldn't be found dead so close from each other. One would rather achieved a come back to camp 6, reinforcing the idea of a team effort, no separation. The Chineses saw Irvine in 1960, off the ridge, long before the first step, at 8200m. The Chinese carried Irvine’s body off the mountain with Irvine's camera, in 1975. They have destroyed the film and ruined it without looking at the content of the film. A permafrosted film lasts at the very least 50 years to be developed, regardless of the contrast/colors, suggesting a strong 100+ years. A top secret Chinese document spoke about the 1960 North Face expedition on the top of mount Everest as the first men to do so, to be in the heart of the Chinese people and to protect this aspect at all cost. If the Chineses wanted to falsify the route they've took, they would have said that Irvine was found upper between the first and second step, where it shows a complete ridge route, and the near impossible Irvine climbing the second step. Mallory was found in 1999 by an English expedition, found him down the ridge on the north face, before the first step, at 8100m. The body didn't seemed to be searched, and without the picture of his wife on him. Mallory didn't brought his camera, borrowing Somervell's one, but never mentioned if forgiving his wife picture to the team. Strongly having it on him for the climb, leaving it on the summit, not necessary having the energy left for an underground maneuver. Odell: I think that when they got to the foot of the final pyramid, it was late. Mallory would say, "Well, we've got to hurry up here, because it's almost approaching dusk, and along we go." I don't think Irvine in any way would have hesitated to go. Odell always believed they summited Everest. Odell was into this blizzard from seeking point to Camp 6. When the blizzard started, It took Odell 2 hours to reach Camp 6 without harm. He didn't knew how he got there, but he did, proving you can move forward a certain amount of hours with these clothes, during an Everest blizzard. The clothing of the 1924 climbers would not have prevented them from reaching the summit as replica clothes pass Everest test. The logical hour on the broken Mallory's watch indicates 1h30 am, and explained to be non-fonctional anymore by the impact, leaving them 12 hours in a blizzard from the 3rd step, to summit, then back succumbing to where they were found. Mallory failed on the rock band at most probably 1h30am. If they turned back at the 3rd step, it would have left them 7 hours in the blizzard before succumbing to where they were found. They would have had time to get back to camp 6, half frozen if they would have turned back at the 3rd step, when looking at the time map on their route, suggested by M. Tracy. Without the blizzard, a camp 6 come back from the third step is 8 hours, and 12 hours from the 3rd step to summit, to Camp 6. Mallory was a man that knew his limits. They saw the blizzard coming. He did not expected a fall on the come back. If Odell had whatsoever no problems getting to Camp 6 during the blizzard, It makes no sense that Irvine had been found dead without a fall before the step 1, coming from step 3, He would have had time to get further down before freezing, clearly indicating that both men summited. The rock band looks steeply during the blizzard, and the ridge might have been the chosen path on the come back, using ropes at the 2sd step.

Oops, wrong again... they found Mallory.

George Mallory fell to his death someplace below the first(?) step, and stayed hidden by snow for some 75 years before being found by the 1999 expedition. All his belongings were in his pocket and in prime condition, except for the picture of his wife; It was gone.

Irvine was also best with oxygen equipment at the time. So even if your factors are true, I'm sure primary motivator was Irvine's Oxygen equipment expertise.

No, it was about the oxygen equipment and he was strong and fit. Mallory was a traditionalist but a pragmatist. He was on record being against oxygen then saw Bruce, a total novice, climb easily to altitude on oxygen and changed his mind. He knew, he didn't need a climber in support but did need someone to ensure the oxygen bottles kept working.

There's no easy way to die. Freezing to death might not be the worst. Apparently after a period of intense shaking and the limbs icing the body will keep circulation in the vital organs at which point there is no sensation of pain, and from there it is like going to sleep. We all die one day, so i wouldn't count Mallory and Irvine's death worse than a death in a hospital in fact better except for the presence of close relatives. It's after all, dying at a peak of your life, the only blemish for them as they passed is if they couldn't be sure they left proof of their final ascent. Some info that i found critical on this page, is that everybody falsely assumed the second step to the summit is impossible to climb in leather boots without crampons and everybody is assuming Mallory would have taken that modern route, but no, there's a ridge that goes to the summit without having to climb the Hilary step. In 1929 Mallory without a doubt took that ridge to the summit. Why the modern climbs don't is probably due to exposure to wind that would easily push a man and fall to his death. But the day Mallory climbed there was no storm on the summit (or at least none visible from Odel's lower position on the mountain). I was actually against the odds in Mallory's favor until i read about that ridge route. It makes sense that in 1929 without vertical rock climbing modern gear, Mallory would of course have planned the route on the ridge. No crampons modern boots needed as for the rocky second stap. Odel claim of seeing moving figures beyond the second step confirms it , and though the truthfulness of his words cannot be ascertained, his character from the interview is admirable not one to play around words, a very trust inspiring stable man. It's only a further confirmation, not a needed one. With all this i am convinced they most likely reached the summit, but were let down by oxygen bottle or insufficient oxygen for the route back down. I don't know enough about the Everest topography i have to learn it, but his body was not found over the summit ridge to the other side. If we knew in there is a pattern for the wind blowing only in one direction over that ridge and if that direction is toward the other side, not the side his body was found. Then that would indicate with some confidence that he made it safely over that ridge to the summit as long as he didn't slip and died going back down the mountain where you can only fall on the side his body was found.

@@ericastier1646 Crampons existed in 1924... but as far as I'm aware they had hobnailed boots

Yes and yes...

Be so good to know if the two brave Guys got to the top.

They are frozen to a rock on a hill, that would be a bad trade. That said I'm sure just before he froze . He was wishing he would have stayed home

I love hearing other people plan for their next lives. I do the same.

It's a beautiful name. Why didn't he agree?

Mallory and Irvine would be wonderful names. Amazing tribute to two hero mountaineers .

It's been proven that Mallory was tied up to Irving, he had broken ribs and a rip of skin on his back where the rope dug into. And the end of the rope was broken. He had splatter of blood on his jacket they believe he feel twice. I however believe he only fell once due to the fact that the blood clearly was from his head injury because blood was mainly on his left where the ice axe hit his left temple. He also had dried blood on his face. I've read everything on the his body and seen the photos of his clothes. I've been trying to figure out how he died since he was found. Read everything about his life lol. I don't think he made it because of the storm. Also if you do some research on Mallory he knew Irvine wasn't a climber he wouldn't leave him alone he just wouldn't. So Irvine may have fallen into the glacier or he's buried in the snow.

@@Bella.216 you're right, but the fact that they were roped together when they fell does not mean that Mallory could not have taken Irving's oxygen and pushed for the summit. In theory, he could have either caught up with Irving on the way down, or Irving could have waited for him. They could have roped themselves back together at that point. For all we know, Mallory could have found Irving in terrible shape, and roped them together to try to rescue him. It's all speculation of course. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple ways to interpret Mallory's injuries. At least that's my take.

never needed the Camera needed to search the zipper pockets for the Summit rocks which were a prime goal of his. But instead they tore things apart - all haphazard

Kodak (Creators of that exact camera and film) believe firmly that the film can survive thanks to the cold.

@@CrystalMethEnjoyer they said possibly

As well you should be. You and your country are amazing and so very beautiful!

Welcome

The Nepalese are some of the kindest people I've met that immigrated to Canada! I wish to go there some day. 🙏💗🖖

I might be mistaken, but I think Wang reported discovering the body while alone. If so, I doubt their expedition was willing to postpone their own ascent and take additional risks just to go roll a dead person's body off of a cliff. It wasn't like they were the ones who killed him!

We don't know how Sandy died or where or when. So your whole comment is speculation only.

Josie, your comment about the Chinese is specious at best.

I don’t want to agree with you but I think you’re right. 2 scenarios: 1. Chinese found him and tossed him off. Risking lives for the country to be first from the North. 2. Sandy fell further down than Mallory did. GLM had rope around him that broke. Also has a puncture wound on his head. I believe he lead and Sandy fell past GLM. GLM then used the rope to stop the fall of both men by tugging on it to stop Sandy from falling. He tried to leverage the mountain on his fall and broke his leg. The rope snapped while he did this continued to fall and he used his axe to try and slow the fall and it bounced off the mountain and stuck him in his head. He tried to slow his fall from how he was found facing toward the mountain and eventually came to a stop. Severely wounded, but still alive, he struggled for a few moments and passed out and froze to death never waking up. Sandy, if not found by the Chinese, is somewhere below GLM. GLM was found by a fluke. Conrad was away from their search area.

When Mallory's body was found, the rope tied around his waist was servered. Mallory had two injuries that suggests he fell. Those two facts indicate Mallory had fallen and Sandy would have cut the rope to avoid falling himself. He may have been too exhausted to pull Mallory up.

I believe.

It's a romanticized fairy tale but unfortunately real life is not so neat and tidy with a good ending. I believe if he were alive today he could easily scale Everest with modern tools and using the proper trail however back in 1924 he never made it.

@@DrewDragoon But should we ignore that those men weren't (physically and mentally) the same as they are 100 ys later.

@@Nikita-zo4gp they were a lot tougher. It's incredible they made it that high imo.

@@jonschlottig9584 that's what I meant to point out.

Such a wishful thinking, like most of in here.

So this generation logic.. Non existent.. Most preferer to survive, but if u reach the top first, u are first at top.. Come on

you dont have to make it back down to be the first to summit, the first to reach the summit is the first to reach the summit, wether you make it back down or not.

@@spaceman8839 Hillary simps will never realize this. Obviously Hillary is a legend and the first to go up and come back down. But if Mallory is the first to summit it’s almost like insulting to them for some reason

​@spaceman8839 He didn't win. He lost. He never got to tell the tale.

A mountaineering record only counts if you get back alive.

@@Scyllax maybe,, technically your only halfway there,,, but do summits with bottled oxygen count,, technically your lowering the mountain! I'm not qualified to judge either way as I'm not a mountaineer,, I think read that in a book by Goran kropp!

First No way Hillary would have seen Mallory or Sandy as he climbed up through Napul Mallory climbed through the North through Tibet. 30 years had passed as well. I believe the Chinese know more and probably did see Sandy

@@Scyllax Yes, but a rule set up by the latecomers so it doesn't apply to those two.

Or get rid of the proof??

those last hours must have been really painful, frustrating and existential

@@GlennDavey he didn't live long after the fall in fact they think right at the very end of the fall when he was sliding down his ice axe came up and pierced his skull killing him instantly.

@@badmonkey2222 Nah, they think the mob that found him punched a few holes in him trying to dig him out of the ice

Is this also a documentary?

Yes, this is Conrad Anker's tale of finding Mallory and climbing in 1924 gear. It's very good!

😂😂😂 wtf made you think of that?! Haha!

Like a hobbit house?

@@kendohmassif1984 Are YoU suggesting that drugs made me think of it?

...and a slide back down! Wheeeeeeeeeee🎉

They made these in India. But not the exact same. The long routes leading from one place to the mountains and “fire place”

Had to do it with super heavy, non-technical clothing and primitive terrible climbing gear. The O tanks didn’t even work in the cold. The fact they made it to the summit or whatever itself is amazing just for the fact they had no good gear and honestly, no real understanding of altitude sickness.. they walked into a meat grinder blind, just for the 1% chance they dodged all the blades and made it through. Badass.

Mallory might have seen it the other way around.

@@taotoo2 perhaps…though it doesn’t change my thoughts on what the pertinent issue here is…

@Leonard squirrel want to try and make sense fella?

@@Housey1985 The laurels for being the first to summit would deserve to go to Mallory, the first to summit and live will always belong to Hillary. If Mallory did indeed summit, the fact that he died in the process doesn't change anything.

they say something similar about takeoffs and landings in aviation...

I agree. Tracy implied Anker only says they didn't make it based on his own skills. Tracy showed Anker's climbing rate was incredibly slow. Whereas the 1920's guys were incredibly quick. One of the teams made 800ft/hr above 26,000ft or something. Tracy compared climbing rates of the pre war v post war and if anything you would say they were quicker. Although, there are very few pre war times at those altitudes.

@@JP-qm4tn you suck at life

@@pbysome lol😂

The thing was they were climbing during perfect storm, and during storm it's impossible to climb the last step because there were no hard lines and not much protection

@@Killjoy1204 It's called the Hillary Step, not the Mallory step. But I wonder if that was as far as Mallory got as well.

@@hullcityafc72 I know about hillary step, I never mentioned Mallory step in my comment did I? I just mentioned last step which there are 3 from north col side as well !

@@hullcityafc72 Hillary step is on the other side of the mountain. Maybe the original comment meant some people now call the step where Mallory and Irvine were last seen as the Mallory step? Idk.

@@Killjoy1204 it was not a storm... not even close!

Let have friend shio

Ship

Not even halfway. It's much harder to come down than it is to go up.

LOL Who cares about return when you crown the Mountain of your Life. The Dragon kills you in the way back? Too late you already did him first, you remain Beowulf *The Dragon Slayer hero for the legends

​@@pendragonU It's a mountain. Not a living being. And neither are they now.

Hes already been found.

@Browsing Content what they did was extraordinary anyway, since they were using such basic gear and didn't have access to things like oxygen. And also because they weren't doing what people do nowadays ie following a tried-and-tested route; they were testing out a route that no one could have told them was manageable. So they were doing something remarkable to start with. But on one of the mallory programmes, they say that mallory promised his wife that he would leave a photo of her at the summit in her honour. When they eventually found his body, all his gear was present except for the photo, which was gone. It seems likely that if he hadn't made it, he'd still have the photo. I also heard that the location where his body was found makes it likely that he was descending. It's obviously not provable that he summited but I think it quite possible, given the kind of person we're talking about and what he'd already achieved.

Odell's observations are key. He said they were a short distance from the final pyramid, 200m to go, going strong and the weather was good. It's highly likely that did make it. Look up Michael Tracy's videos he goes through why.

@Browsing Content the equipment question isn't that big. For example, the oxygen set up they used was almost identical in weight and capacity as Hillary's. It's now universally accepted the clothing was adequate. Not as good as today's but good enough.

It's ironic that he used the word "ascent", as the first ascent is the first ascent, regardless of getting down or not. I take your point about proof though.

@Leonard squirrel well I guess you’ve got great English skills. I guess the question becomes is it a successful ascent when you end up splattered on the side of a rock on your way back with no proof at all whether or not you were actually on your way down when you died?

@Leonard squirrel yeah but the last evidence of Mallory and Irvine were from accounts from a witness who was much further down the mountain and they still had a couple hundred feet to go. Just don’t think it should go down in the logbooks as the first ascent when we don’t know and they didn’t even survive which makes it unsuccessful in the big term anyway. We all have our own opinions but if you like writing the history books on assumptions then I’m not all for that

@Leonard squirrel well one thing we do have that’s a little more important in the later expedition is people who actually were there, called witnesses. Nothings 100% guarantee but there’s far more evidence of the second attempt. I don’t even think they’ve ever even found Irvine‘s body and Mallorys didn’t have anything on it to say anything at all about what actually happened and of course he’s not talking much when the group and 53 came down telling their stories.

Robert Dyson Check your grammar, dude…otherwise, I agree with you.

Glad you liked it

You're welcome

Well, Where does all this nonsense that people say that real Everest first summiter had to be Englishman and New Zeelander is not just enough? In England nobody should care is first 40 would be Sherpas, "who cares of that mountain, lets have some tea."

it's a flawed analogy though

I understand the reasoning behind that opinion, but I think the issue is more nuanced. Here's what I mean: If we adopt that view, then when do we decide that a summit was not successful? If a person dies on the trek back from basecamp then do we say they did not summit? If they develop high altitude sickness and have to be rescued on the way down, then do we say they did not summit? I am not a mountaineer, but it seems that this logic only applies to Mallory and Irving. If Hillary had died on the way down then I doubt anyone would claim he did not summit. Why? Because there is evidence that he reached the top. If someone found evidence that Mallory reached the summit, then I think he should be credited with the first ascent. However, I recognize that others feel differently, and I respect their opinion.

@@jmspiers interesting query ; but until proof is found (ie The camera which shows them on the summit) it’s academic . IMO and that of others … they may have reached the second step of the yellow band, took a look and were on the way down WO having reached the summit, when they had an accident; in any event the conversation you envision is just that ; one cannot rewrite history based merely on conjecture and speculation. 👍

@@bigwaidave4865 yes, my question was rhetorical. It really is a matter of opinion. I just encourage people to be consistent. I have never heard someone say something like this of a modern climber: "So-and-so died in an avalanche while they were descending from the top of Mount Everest. They left a memento at the top, but we removed it because reaching the top does not count as summiting unless you make it back down alive." That rule seems to be limited to discussions about Mallory. Their opinion would make sense if there was any indication that Mallory and Irving died because they made a mistake. In reality, though, none of us know what caused them to not return. It could have been something that would have killed modern mountaineers who have summited Everest many times.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA This seems to be again and again the last resort to hope of some, like: "if you were Indiana Jones and found the Ark but we Nazis get it before you're "successfully" back... because you will be dead and we will help... you don't get any credit our Fuhrer will" Even better: If you are the crew of the Enola Gay and dropped The Bomb, but couldn't make it back safe in the return flight....Mission was never accomplished. Feat done, because you died in the Enterprise" Who operates with this pseudo-mountain goat "logic"???? THe summit is the feat achieved, not making it back in time for the Champagne party in the locker room, the Game was on the Field and yoou deed indeed SCORED the summit. Everything after is just prologue.

@@pendragonU I think you mean epilogue…don’t agree with your logic either

And the 60 ft of sheer smooth rock of the second pitch of the Second Step

No it’s not, climbing is more about the experience

If they had landed on the moon but didn't make it back to Earth, did they not land on the moon?

When a person summits, the battle is only half over. If they can't make it back down, I think the mountain conquers them.

You can't really conquer a mountain. The mountain just sits back and allows you to be a part of it for window of time... or not. Is like a game of russian roulette

just think of all the one way freediving records that would exist

Getting down alive is often just luck of good weather