Eversolo DMP A6 v Volumio Primo. You will be as SHOCKED as we were!

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Round three of our Streamer Shoot-Out series. We discover something genuinely AMAZING!
In this Video, Mark talks you through the blind listening tests carried out by the Elite Audio team to establish a winner in audio performance terms.
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Network Switch: SOtM sNH-10G
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@mike_lowndes 11 ай бұрын

Primo owner here. It does punch way above its price sound-quality-wise. Its downfall is Volumio library management, which is pretty much non existant, also with very basic playlist management and no shuffle. The Premium things like artist info are layered over, meaning they are a click or more away. Only if you use your file system or list by Artist, it will cope. After a year or so I gave up with it and started using Roon. Maybe there are some very slight sound differences but I've not noticed any degradation (I use upsampling where possible) but the QoL is way way better.

@johan5660 11 ай бұрын

That is a very unexpected result. Thanks to Elite Audio for all your hard works, efforts & time spent for such tests. I really appreciate and very grateful of what you guys are doing for all the music lovers like us out there. I hope you will continue doing blind tests on other products in future and I am sure your channel, soon enough, will become 'the channel' to look for, for buyer's guide on youtube. 👍👍👍

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning Johan and thank you for the feedback it really is appreciated and great to hear you are enjoying our videos. :)

@trubadyr99 10 ай бұрын

Blind tests are the key. I wish more enthusiasts would do them and publish their impressions here, on KZfaq.

@kevinf9822 11 ай бұрын

I like your double blind testing approach. Most audio reviewers use every excuse in the world not to do this, for fear of alienating manufacturers. Kudos. Subscribed.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Hi Kevin, thank you very much for the comment and feedback, its really appreciated and thank you also for the subscription - it means a lot :) Mark

@Audio456 10 ай бұрын

It’s not a double blind test Kevin. Double blind means test streamer a then b, then play either one randomly and ask the person being tested which it is - either the first or second. I mean come on, do you really think a hifi dealer who sells this stuff is going to publish a video voting the Volumio higher than the eversolo when it costs slightly less.

@davidnewboult7391 11 ай бұрын

Thanks once again for taking up your time to post another video. Interesting findings, it would appear both of these products are great vfm, I am still more than happy with my Eversolo, it does everything I want.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning and thanks for the feedback. Both are great and it really comes down to personal preference and it only matters what you like. Enjoy youe Eversolo, i really love it, its a brilliant streamer :)

@madds6678 10 ай бұрын

I’m more than happy with my master edition & now there’s a new internal LPS upgrade from LHY to further improve it ( I’ve already ordered ) so will interesting to see how the DMP-A6 with the upgrade compares to the hifi rose which has a big LPS already. For me the Eversolo is a winner no matter what at the price point it is, I’ve previously had a 555/NDS & PS audio DSD dac w/bridge & the Eversolo competes admirably for a 1/3 of the price, if I add a denafrips dac I’m sure it’ll beat them still for less money.

@trubadyr99 10 ай бұрын

I ran into this channel purely by chance and loved it from a first sight. Thumb up! Subscribed.

@EliteAudioUK 10 ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you, very much appreciated :) Cheers, Mark

@tanjuvenhar7446 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video keep them coming..looking forward to Eversolo Master Edition v Hifi rose.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you for the comment. That is coming in two weeks! :) Stay tuned....

@riccitone 10 ай бұрын

This is very much appreciated! No one has taken the time to differentiate between what happens on the software side of things. Plus, super happy you will also be comparing the masters edition against the Rivo - exactly the two components I’m deciding between for an upgrade. Of course, now Vinshine has designed a new lps that can easily be installed in the Eversolo. Wondering now what that will do 🙏🏼👍🏼

@EliteAudioUK 9 ай бұрын

You are very welcome and I hope you enjoyed that video too! Cheers, Mark :)

@abxaudiophiles 11 ай бұрын

Great review!! We’ve done a few reviews on the DMP-A6 and it’s a fantastic machine!! I love the level of context you all keep in your reviews. New subscriber here. Well done!!

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much indeed for the feeback and subscription, its really apreciated :)

@dannyfannyfoodle 11 ай бұрын

That’s silly! 4-3 is too close to call, but 5-2 is undisputed and definitive? It’s one more vote!!! I’m no Eversolo apologist. I have one and I’m quite disappointed by it, actually. But to suggest that a one vote swing is significant with such a small sample pool is just plain silly. Nevertheless, I’ve enjoyed this series and fully appreciate all of the hard work you’ve done to test these streamers in a truly blind scenario is really impressive and, sadly, pretty unprecedented here on the old KZfaq.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning, and thanks for the comment. It really is about more than just the numbers and I could have gone into a lot more detail, but we were trying to keep the time sensible. In fairness, its actually two votes turn around (28%) and taking 71% of the overall vote. That said, the real aspect is that the two who voted for the A6 said afterwards they really could have voted either way and preferred the Volumio on at least one other track. On the original, those who voted for the Volumio felt the gap was small and could have voted for the Eversolo, but on second listen with the device's own app, those who voted for the Volumio were clear it was better for the reasons I myself voted for it. But to reiterate, it really is a personal choice and just because our voting went a particular way does not mean that is what someone should buy. As I said in the video, ignore what you read and trust what you hear! Thanks again for the feedback, it's really appreciated. :)

@toddh95008 10 ай бұрын

One thing that this testing did not cover was local streaming ! I never have used any Internet based content with either the Eversolo DMP-A6 or a Volumio Rivo I had until the POS died. For the DMP-A6 the mostly 24/96k or dsd files are stored on the internal SSD (a huge thing hardly ever mentioned IMHO) and output to external DAC's. For the RIVO the same content was stored on an external USB 3.0 SSD. If you had tested local files I'm sure the DMP-A6 would have prevailed and the APP as you call it would make no difference. it would really come down to one thing, how well either player renders the digital outputs without jitter etc. So far the DMP-A6 does this better than any other Volumio based streamer I had used !

@christinejames5697 11 ай бұрын

Great videos. Thank you. I would be fascinated to know what settings in ROON you make when streaming to the Eversolo. Also the settings on the Eversolo. I have a ROON lifetime subscription.

@davidprice-oh2ji 11 ай бұрын

Fascinating video series... thanks for all the time and effort put in by the team. I currently use an Sotm SMS200 into a Chord Mojo, which is good but i can hear limitations. I am interested to see the outcome of integrated streamer DACs vs separates before deciding which way I look to upgrade. Great content, thank you.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good evening David, thank you very much fro the feedback, its really appreciated and glad you are enjoying the videos. There are some great streamers out there, happy to assist when you are ready. We have a new addition being thrown into the mix with the final group shoot out! Mark :)

@immanuelkant1078 Ай бұрын

May I ask waht kind of limitations there are with this setup? Are you feeding the signal into a power amp, active speakers or headphones?

@13thnotehifireviews7 7 ай бұрын

I thought your presenting is really good Mark. I would cut the video down and add some b roll too and a little shorter and more concise points if I was you. I just did this test between the two over Roon, and preferred the volumio. I wrote down that there is more harmonic layers in vocals with the volumio, better transient dynamics. For the results to have any validity you need a control. You need to do the same again and show if people prefer one or the other in sighted form.

@EliteAudioUK 7 ай бұрын

Good afternoon, and thank you for the feedback. It is really appreciated. We carried out blind testing with our entire team, and some preferred the Volumio over the A6 when using Roon. I think that shows the subjective nature of listening :) Both are great though :) Cheers, Mark

@mattmcnulty7191 11 ай бұрын

Excellent test and interesting results as always Mark. And great advice at the start. Use your own ears, not someone else's!!

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Its mantra I always follow Matt :) Glad you liked it. Hope you are good. I have been enjoying some of your recent Facebook posts too :)

@mattmcnulty7191 11 ай бұрын

@EliteAudioUK Yes mate, we're all good here. It'd be nice to get back up there and see you again at some point!! Such a long journey for us though!! I've seen you've liked some of my posts so thanks!! Use your own ears, It's the ONLY mantra when it comes to our personal views on audio. Talk soon buddy and keep up the great work!! The one I'd like to see is a comparison between the Master and the Hifi Rose, along with melco or Auralic in there, too, but thats a much more lenghty test, isnt it!! ....is it really a giant killer, though, thats what we all want to know!!?? 😉

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Matt, it would be great to see you, keep in touch :)

@siropasrangphet8195 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

My pleasure OB :)

@derekclark7545 3 ай бұрын

Try the Volumio Rivo with a very good power supply and its own App. The DMP-A8 sinks.

@michaelwright1602 Ай бұрын

Just ordered the Volumio Rivo and the Farad Super 3 power supply... Chomping at the bit.

@derekclark7545 Ай бұрын

@@michaelwright1602 Now I am jealous, I just read up about the Farad 3 and it looks fantastic, so whats the verdict.

@michaelwright1602 Ай бұрын

@@derekclark7545 Still waiting on it, they shipped it to Texas, I am in Michigan... Trying to get it sorted out. But, I can say the Rivo streamer is pretty impressive in regards to sound quality. I just wish we could run the WiiM software on it. I miss my 10 band EQ. The one in Volumio is a PEQ, not something I am interested in.

@johnvalatos4073 11 ай бұрын

I am so thankful I don’t need to use Roon, thank Innuos.

@Nick_S0 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the three videos. All three tests Mark did not mention the connections used. Were the streamers connected to the integrated amp over their analogue outputs? Was it RCA or XLR for the Eversolo? How couild you not even put this into perspective? Would one hear any difference at all if the digital outputs were used into the Anthem amp built in DAC?

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Hi Nick, we used both on RCA on the Anthem - we have a 'transport' only test on our schedule for the Master Edition v the Volumio Rivo - we will be using an external DAC for this test.

@ionutplesea5693 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. It’s not very clear to me, how did you make this test/comparison? What DAC did you use with the volumio primo since this one is a streamer only device and it does not have any analogue output? Did you also use the same dac for the eversolo? Please shed some light

@ionutplesea5693 10 ай бұрын

I’m sorry for the previous comment, I mistakenly took volumio primo for volumio rivo. My bad☹️

@EliteAudioUK 10 ай бұрын

Good afternoon and apologies for the late reply. We are testing the Rivo against the Master Edition A6 Eversolo next week. :) Cheers, Mark

@zencinema3245 10 ай бұрын

I’ve had different experiences using Roon, depending upon the nooks power supply. So my question is what power supply are you using on your Roon server? Enjoying the shoot out . I use an external DAC. Now I’m wondering who wins in that realm?

@EliteAudioUK 10 ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you for your comments and question. We used the Antipodes Oladra as the Roon core. Cheers, Mark :)

@hawkins55 2 ай бұрын

Very long video. Can't go back to watch evwry second of it. Was there a third person controlling the play back and the evaluaters didn't know what software and hardware was playing? Was the volume matched when switching any software or hardware? Thanks!

@zoranjovancic9816 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for a great review 👌 Did you have the opportunity to compare some the devices with the first version of primo?? Volumio primo hifi edition. Been using the Primo hifi edition for some years now and wondering if Primo v2 will be a upgrade

@EliteAudioUK 6 ай бұрын

Good morning Zoran, many thanks for the feedback. I have not done that comparison, however, from what I have read, the new v2 should be much better :) Cheers, Mark

@zoranjovancic9816 6 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUK Hi Mark, Thx for reply wondering where you actually read that? Can you att a link if there is any test/review thats made where the two primos have been a/b tested in comparison. If run with the hifi edition and was thinking over time to swap for Primo v2 but is it the money worth is. Upgrade of devices is always nice without moving sideways in sq and features etc B Regards.

@rhphotocdn 11 ай бұрын

I'd lik eto see a comparison between Eversolo DMP-A6 vs Matrix Mini i-4 Pro

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you for the comment. That would indeed be interesting, we don't have access to one, but I'd be interested to see what others think :) Thanks again for watching.

@donalmahon 9 ай бұрын

Ive been using a Wiim Mini with my system which sounds quite good. I bought it as a streamer before i even knew what a DAC was to integrate with my Vintage Yamaha (CR840) Receiver and Mission 780SE Speakers. I am now thinking of upgrading to the DMP-A6. Do you think it is worth the extra cost and will there be a noticable sound quality difference?

@EliteAudioUK 9 ай бұрын

Hi Donal and thank you for your message. Your existing system will benefit greatly from the introduction of the A6 in my opinion, I think you will be surpised by how much! Cheers, Mark :)

@JordiVilanova 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for that effort! However, I am nonplussed by the fact the manufacturers' apps should affect the sound. How does an app, that should only manage switching but not the stream itself affect the sound? Shouldn't that be considered a failing regarding the circuitry and switching management design? It's a pity the Primo doesn't have its own screen and management without an app. What would the outcome be if compared with managing the hardware without an app? 🤔

@Eugene737 10 ай бұрын

I think when he refers to the app, he is generally speaking of the software running on the actual device. The app is just a client to the device sending commands back to it/the server. It's the implementation of that software running on the device is what he brought into question. At least, that's my take from it.

@JustBrowsing777 10 ай бұрын

I have seen other reviewers also mention this. Use the native app for better sound. Like for the Eversolo use their own app with for instance Tidal integration, rather than the Tidal app itself and Tidal connect to connect to the Eversolo.

@Eggshenbustour 11 ай бұрын

Would love to see a roon dmpa6 vs volumio native.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning, thanks for the suggestion. I mentioned in the video it would be a great comparison, as there are so many variables to test, we settled on the one we did. :)

@Temmple 11 ай бұрын

I will bet that Eversolo will have an update soon :))

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks for the message and that would be interesting if they did. I suspect we won't see any updates in hardware until late next year. :) Thanks again for watching.

@Temmple 11 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUK Software update.

@ericelmore887 7 ай бұрын

Great video. I want to know if the DMP a6 master edition as streamer only is better then volumio primo and on par with A8. Is there a streamer only that beats eversolo at the same price point ?

@EliteAudioUK 7 ай бұрын

Hi Eric and thank you very much indeed for the feedback. The A8 sounds the best of the three followed by the A6 ME and then the Primo. That said all are good.... my advice is trust what you hear :) Cheers, Mark

@ericelmore887 7 ай бұрын

thank you for response. I have the a6 master with LPS and using as a streamer only and wanted to know how much better a8 streamer only section was compared. what streamer only unit is a step above A8?

@BroncoRD 11 ай бұрын

I've just been through the list of all the equipment that was used for the blind tests and apart from the Network cables everything was over £1000 in some cases nearer £5000, I would think like myself for the majority of us we can not afford these sort of prices, so why not do the testing using equipment that is in the hundreds or for some of the smaller items i.e.. network cables interconnects less than a £100 I would expect that would be more appreciated to us lesser gods.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you for the feedback. Its a good point, however, the outcome should similar (unless there is a significant mismatch in terms of impedance). Really appreciate your comments and thanks for watching. :)

@BroncoRD 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your reply it was an excellent video, the only reason I made this comment was that the DMP-A6 is less than £1000 & I expect the Volumio is as well so why not match it with like-for-like equipment if you're going to do a match of far more expensive streamers use the more expensive equipment to match it. @@EliteAudioUK

@RacingAnt 11 ай бұрын

@@BroncoRDif you want to hear what may be slight differences between streamers, you'll be able to hear these more with more revealing (and likely expensive) equipment.

@nonchalantd 10 ай бұрын

♥

@ron101346 9 ай бұрын

Why not compare the Eversolo Master Edition against the the Volumia Primo? That would be more informative.

@EliteAudioUK 9 ай бұрын

Good afternoon, we did this in our group test (see video). Ther reason for this comparison is that the prices are better matched :) Cheers, Mark

@supergwizzo 8 ай бұрын

Even all mucic apps sound different from apple and andriod also macs to microsoft !

@E.T.Persson 10 ай бұрын

Great

@EliteAudioUK 10 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

@BKWarren 11 ай бұрын

I hope that means that you'll do Eversolo Master A6 into a really good DAC compared to Volumio Rivo into the same DAC and same cabling and using their native software. And that you'll use native software for all the final tests, at least in one of the stages. Boy this is getting complicated, but you're having fun right?! Some want to see the tests with other components in a similar price range, but some of us want to know if these are giant killers - compare favourably against stuff in the £2k+ range. For some people the giants are in the £10k+ range, but they really don't care about the Eversolo and Volumio anyway.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good evening and thank you for the comment. There is definitely a diversity of testing requests out there and currently we are keeping the systems to what we know and trust. We recently held a showroom event where we pitched a £50k system v a £100k system. With the lower priced system we put a lot of emphasis on infrastructure (Mains, network, cables etc) and guess what? In our blind test, the attendees (There were around 50 or so) voted the lower priced system as the one they thought sounded best! It proves that synergy can beat price! Thanks again for watching, really appreciated :)

@wolfmanjacksaid 10 ай бұрын

iiWi Reviews recently compared the Rivo to the DMP-A6. Rivo wins

@mrforbes74 11 ай бұрын

I believe you will be blind testing the DMP A6 vs the HiFi Rose RS250, but I would also be interested in the Master Edition vs HiFi Rose RS150 too. I see you do also sell the RS150. Content of that device vs competition does not really exist. I get the higher price point, but would be great to hear opinions on whether it is actually worthy of that.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good afternoon and thank you for the message. It will be the Master Edition v RS250a - interesting comparison. I own an RS150B and its brilliant. Thank you again for watching, its appreciated. :)

@mrforbes74 11 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUK Looking forward to that comparison, and thanks for this series of content! As the RS150B will not feature, are you able to summarise your personal findings of that device vs the RS250a? I can then use this as a point of reference when watching the upcoming showdown. Thank you.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

I have compared both and the RS150B just takes the refinement to another level. It has more musical engagement, although as with all of these terms, its relative as that suggests the 250 doesn't. I always advise trying to hear these for yourself, as there is no substitute for doing so. Interestingly, we have a WILDCARD coming into the mix, which we will receive next week, so keep an eye out for that ;)

@mrforbes74 11 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUK I appreciate you taking the time to answer - thank you. The RS150 appeals to me the most, but the price is prohibitive at the moment. I’ll watch the final round with interest. Hopefully you’ll make mention of this wildcard there as I am intrigued 👍

@REX4340 10 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUKi compared the 150B to Cambridge Edge NQ, Edge NQ won easily! I didn't use the Rose app tho...

@balooo2863 11 ай бұрын

So…if you don’t spend the 70 pounds annual subscription fee it becomes a brick? I’m likely going with the eversolo for that reason alone,it’s like paying rent and not really owning the thing. Kinda sneaky if you ask me the car makers and now this what BS.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good evening and thanks for the comment - the software is free for life with the Volumio. You only have to pay for it if you are using it with another type of device :)

@balooo2863 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for clearing that up, makes the Volumio appealing again ;)@@EliteAudioUK

@philipharrison5025 11 ай бұрын

This outcome was the textbook antithesis of a SHOCK. Click-baitty waste of everybody’s time.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Hi Philip, thank you for your comment and feedback. Some of the staff were genuinely surprised that the control software in this example would make such a significant difference. I myself had to eat some humble pie as you would have discovered in the video. Appreciate the feedback and thank you for watching. Mark :)

@mark120371 11 ай бұрын

Volumio Primo vs A6 Master Edition?

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Good morning Mark, we did that two weeks ago and you can find it here : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hM12fZCr18iviH0.html Hope you enjoy it and thank you for watching. :)

@mark120371 11 ай бұрын

@@EliteAudioUK Sorry didn't see that review. Outstanding format, Love what you are doing with blind testing.

@EliteAudioUK 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Mark, appreciate the feedback and we hope to keep up the good work :) Cheers, Mark

@greenygreen5308 10 ай бұрын

Whilst I salute your attempts at blind testing you need a bit more statistics knowledge before you interpret your results. With just 7 reviewers there is a 45% chance that the results will be 5/2 6/1 or 7/0 one way or the other just by pure chance. Hence a 5/2 result is near statistically irrelevant, it certainly doesn’t show any clear preference. You would need at least constantly 6/1 to be confident of a better than chance result (even then it would happen 12.5% of the time by chance). You also need the reviews to be able to pick a no difference/preference result otherwise they may simply be choosing at random without hearing an obvious difference.

@13thnotehifireviews7 7 ай бұрын

You need a ‘control’ in other words to your last point. Another thing to make it more valid would be to do more tests on one person , varying the order of playing from each source, and check the statistical significance variance in the correct results of that. In that it would act as a control on a small audience.