But the PowerBook G4 _wasn't_ a year old at that point, it was 5 or 6; spanning from the Titanium PowerBook in 2000 to the last G4 in 2005.

FRACK YOUR APOLOGY PEACHES! 😡

mmmmhmm yes

Does anyone know if the mid 2012 15" with the higher resolution screen option but not retina actually has a different screen or is done with the graphics chip/board? Thanks

yes... and no... the final iteration of the PowerBook G4s with the 1.67Ghz procs were not actually G4s. The very last models of PowerBook G4 (2005-2006) claimed to ship with a "PowerPC 7447B", which doesn't actually exist in any of Motorola or IBM literature. The chips that shipped in these late model PowerBooks were actually PowerPC 7448 processors underclocked to 1.67Ghz from their native clock speed of 2.0Ghz or 2.33Ghz depending on the piece of silicon, which are part of the "Apollo 8" CPU architecture vs. the "Apollo 7" CPU architecture of the previous model PowerPC 7447A that the immediately previous generation of PowerBook G4s shipped with. Also, the amount of on die memory was limited to artificially enforce 32 bit instruction capability, but otherwise the 7447B was essentially the G5 PowerBook that never was. Want proof? The final iteration of PowerBook G4 utilized DDR2 RAM, whereas the second to last PowerBooks utilized older DDR RAM. The reason for the decision to kneecap these processors by underclocking them and limiting them to 32 bits was twofold: G5s were quite fast for the time but were power hungry and generated substantial amounts of heat that the cooling system on the PowerBook G4 could not keep up with. The other reason for the decision was purely strategic - with the impending switch to Intel, the lowest model of the new intel Macs would ship with 32 bit Intel Core Duos (or Solos) clocked at 1.67 Ghz, so having a faster 64 bit option on an older product line was unacceptable. Despite Intel's CPUs being dual core, a similarly clocked single core G5 would run circles around their contemporary dual core Intel chips in terms of sheer performance in almost all benchmarks, not to mention being 64 bit (in all iterations of true G5 other than the intentionally hamstrung PowerBooks). Keep in mind that back in the early to mid 2000s, most computers still had a single core CPU and software was not written to take advantage of multi threading, so the only truly meaningful benchmarks and real world performance that mattered at the time were single threaded applications, which PowerPC excelled at while Intel was just okay at. Then you take into consideration the difference between RISC (PowerPC) vs. CISC (Intel) architecture and its easy to see why Apple made the decision to cripple the final iteration of PowerBook. If they hadn't, the new Intel based MacBook line would have been a complete failure. Apple's decision to move to Intel was pretty much entirely about their laptop line. While the G5s were more than powerful enough, IBM/Motorola failed to produce an energy efficient variant of the G5 that could be used in laptops without negatively impacting battery life, noise and heat output. Intel just happened to be "good enough" at the time. if a competing CPU architecture, eg; ARM or SPARC for instance were producing a viable CPU at the time, Apple likely would have switched to that. They did it before from 68K to PPC, and they'll do it again at some point in the near future from Intel to their own ARM based CPUs that are in use in their non-PC lines, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and Apple TV. Its only a matter of time.

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I honestly love the design of the first gen 17 inch macbook pro, I feel like it looks way better than the ones today. If software support and upgradability wasn't a complete issue, i would be using one right now

I think that itself states the value for you and that’s not really an issue as it’s beholden to you.

Interesting same with me. I use Apple products because of how they made an impact on me as a child. Thank you for sharing.

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2015 was the end of the peak 2016-2019 sucks ass

GeekRedux I love the mid-2012 MacBook Pro too, but for me the peak was 2014-2015 - already by 2012 very few people used the dvd drive, plus the mechanical hdd and the 1280x800 screen of the mid-2012 MBP were no match at all for the 2014-2015 MBP’s pinnacle flash drive/ssd drive and retina screen....not to mention the difference in weight and consequent portability. :)

faudanke yes

I love the 2015 rMBP, still use it alongside my RTX 2060 desktop.

@@faudanke4459 can't agree i love the mid 2019 mcb pro

I vote for the unibodies!

Rocking a 2012 retina 15 and is still holding up today

ZONEofTECH sup Zone!!!?

Sorry I just saw this! You sure your 2016 MBP isn't your favorite of all time? 😈

I have a 2015 Retina Pro 13”. Love it.

I'm getting 7 hehe.

I'm getting around the same, mine has about 370 cycles.

same even doing light gaming

@@timtheguy82 I had over 800 cycles on my 2015 Retina and it still held 6 hours of battery life. These things are hard to kill.

What are your specs for your 2012 MBP? Just curious.

And guess what - I was so stupid that I bought one NEW in 2015. Up to this day I can't believe WTF I was thinking back then xD I got rid of this shit two years later.

MacPiston Omg dude I feel so sorry for you 😂 the fact that it even said ‘MacBook Pro, 2012’ in the About this Mac menu was just absurd 😂

@@Jambolineum I know, and I wonder even more WTF I did because I'm very PC-Phone-Tech-etc. guy xD Now I could have money for newest one... FeelsBadMan XD

@@zaaajac I bought myself that exact model :D I'm a Windows and Android guy trough and trough (but I had my Apple time, also like collecting iPods of various generations), but I wanted a Notebook. The Mid 2012 had no flaws in terms of motherboard related issues, the non retina has also enough steam for driving the LCD. I upgraded to High Sierra, added SSD, more RAM and that thing runs Win 10 and my BMW Diagnosis software well. Also driving a external F-HD Monitor and the internal one, watching a 1080p video on one and chrome on the other, works well. ^^

Jens Harbers I changed only because od that crappy 1280x800 which I couldn’t stand

outlaws9295 thats what i was thinking

@@jaythesavage6039 me too :D

And with the exact same sponsors. Skillshare blah, Tunnelbear yada, Squarespace meow, etc.

haha thats the first thing that came to mind... "did he just steal LTT transition to sponsors?"

Screw their pesky sponsors!

I love the late 2013 but still good

But retina bruh. That resolution and display space is abysmal. I can fit more on my retina 13" than my non retina old 15".

Unibody is far too old already, dude. Heavy, slow and plenty wasted space with that antiquated DVD-drive. Get a 2015 MBP which is the best compromise of reliability, portability, performance and price!

@@ImpactSpace you know the 2012 macbook pro can be upgraded right? The ram can be replaced for 16gb, you can change out the hard drive for as much ssd as you want and replace the optical drive for yet another ssd. The 2012 macbook pro is still a powerful machine.

I wish Apple would bring the unibody back and kicked the touchbar , but still the option to have a touchbar or normal buttons, the new unibody has modern processor , modern gpu , upgradeable flash , 1080P/4K blu ray drive , and that the new unibody has a retina screen.

You're welcome joe

Yeah. The 2019 doesn’t thermal throttle. Must have fixed it.

damnn i wish i had this experience! also own an early 2011 MBP 13 inch - replaced the ram, HD to SSD and battery a few years ago but i think its finally coming to the end of its life span. i still have overheating problems sometimes. fan speed always maxed out even when theres no heating issues (which i fixed with an app), USB ports and headphone jack don't work all that well anymore and my wifi antennas are slightly messed up 😩 - granted i did use this device in highschool and didnt treat it all that well for a long time.. probably could've gotten better use out of it if i did. still works pretty well all things considered!

@@DejaMiru Sorry to hear that. Mine becomes overheated at times too but I think that's because it's old and had issues from the start. When I applied thermal paste, those issues slowly declined but the fan still runs at full speed now and then especially when I'm editing my photos and videos. But, all is running smoothly except for a few issues like the fan running at full speed and the overheating issue and a few crashes here and there but, either way, I love this computer and I take very good care of it.

Skyler Jade I think the late 2013 is the best bang for your buck cheap faster has retina i7 and 8gb ram 15 inch 2

Did u had to replace the battery?

Late 2014 13" MBP doesn't exist.

@@Poire33 Yea I misspoke MID 2014 built in October.

Rupert C I’m still using mid 2012 on MacOS Catalina beta.

Soham Ghosh how’s the performance in today’s world? Does it feel old?

I have a Late 2013 one, I don't use it though. It doesn't have enough power.

those are fantastic machines! i worked on refurbishing That model for a friend.. i have the 2011 version , both were 13"... the 2012 is faster and smoother graphics and runs the newest systems more easily...urs has the ivy bridge cpu vs sandybridge in mine and 1600mhz mem vs 1333 and 1500mb graphics ram while mine is 512...many improvements and urs will run Much cooler with the ivy bridge

watching this video and reading this comments from a Macbook 15'' mid -2012, upgraded with a new ssd hard drive , running perfect . In Paris :)lol

watching this on the Galaxy Smart Fridge at Best Buy, I don’t think the workers like me here..

Yeah, Apple certainaly thinks different because that laptop’s air vent were sending hot air into the glued part of the darn device. 😂😂😂

@@draftymamchak Louis Rossmann viewer spotted. :)

@@crashbandicoot4everr Yes

@@crashbandicoot4everr Bro is talking about me 💀💀💀

Looks like it survived Afghanistan 😜

Just ordered the same but 15 inch late 2013 refurbished I hope it’s good

Catlania sucks. Mojave is great.

"When the new generation of MacBook Pro comes out, it very well might blow your socks off, they might fix the thermal issues, they might have a really amazing display, new keyboard, it might be amazing." - Luke Miani, pre-M1

Dan Trachtenberg im planning to have it too.

The 2015 has a free battery program so dont worry about that, just get the battery replaced if you need to

The early and late 2011s are essentially the same, there’s no important difference. I recommend avoiding the 15” from that year due to graphics failures

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