I think retrofit will be a good machine gun next season if it gets a buff which I believe it will in lightfall. I will be happy with a machine gun buff I’ve got the swarm with the OG god roll of bottomless grief vorpal which use to put in some work but I think there r better options now

With how late this released I'd be putting Retrofit into S tier just because of linears getting knocked down a peg in S20.

Machine Guns get a 10% dmg buff and a 50% low reserves/20% high reserves buff I believe, won't do too much, but it doesn't hurt.

It's a Void machine gun with decent dps, so I love using it in GM so I can clear adds and turn invis with gyrfalcon.

​@@JH-vb1wo x

Ohh that makes sense

Thats simply not true, atleast not from last season.

@@darkwolf1739 🤓🤓🤓 Let me make a correction: The time hothead was a nightfall drop for LAKE OF SHADOWS the selectable perk was tracking on adepts. I can't confirm for other nightfalls.

Did not know that, huh

No, it's because it plays a voice clip of Clovis Bray insulting the enemy every time it hits and enemy, causing extra emotional damage.

"its popularity is probably because people can't aim" You god damn right...…..that's why i love it. "Hitting a target does more damage than missing a target" -- Sun Tzu

i think people used tracking for certain gms where few champs just JUMP around a lot (looking at barriers on that, specifically the vex ones)

@@Bookerjj and that's 100% fair, it is indeed always better to not miss the rocket, and if you struggle to get hits without tracking then by all means slap it on

Thats why I like to use Tracking Module, some enemies can dodge a rocket and its just annoying. Its a skill issue for sure, but its just a great utility perk I like to use especially for nightfalls.

I think that tracking modules popularity is also from people being so used to the old palmyra meta and other tracking rockets. It’s essentially exchanging a 3rd column perk for a sizable damage boost if you directly compare it to palmyras which is a pretty decent trade off

Yep. The Typhon underwhelmed me at first but hopefully a nice 20% bump to it’s damage will make it feel better. The BITN with Demo/Chill was something I accidentally stumbled upon before I ever saw any videos on it and it definitely did NOT underwhelm. When I became privy to the fact that when it has Wolfpack rounds from a friendly ghorn; each single Wolfpack does a significant amount of slow stacks as well (I think each one does 50 just like the main rocket) I was blown away. I like 2 of them in a team just to keep the boss freezing and shattering as fast as possible with no potential downtime. With only one I notice chunks of downtime when the player using chill clip is rotating through their other weapons and thus not firing rockets. I found it rare that both my teammate and I would be off rockets and rotating through other weapons at the same time.

Bump is good but I almost always go with my demo explosive light hothead for the demo RL roll.

@@xdifficultviper9916 I will be focusing for that next season. That roll eluded me. I have auto loading/vorpal, ensemble/ clown or tracking/ EL. I wish I kept farming that fallen Saber week during season 16. I honestly didn’t even know what roll I was really going for so I just kept some that I thought would be good. Turns out I missed the one I wanted.

Hezen > BITN

@@InfiniteMeerkat71 not really

I just got back into destiny again, and it's the rocket launcher I'm using lol. Was sad when I saw it so low haha

Was using one to farm nightfalls this week, and it was putting in work. It's probably the best legendary solar rocket imo

@@Mungusss must have forgotten about timelost hezen

@@InfiniteMeerkat71 no demo + damage perk on hezen so not as neat unfortunately

@@johng479 definitely has demo, and auto, and overflow.

@@InfiniteMeerkat71 I meant no damage perk + demo cuz they share a column. You can get a lot more out of hot head and blowout and so on

using the heavy slash with one for all active does 85k+ damage :)

Ive done easily 110k damage with crownsplitter with a max charge whirlwind blade and a heavy attack

@@LordSauron22 crownsplitter is goated tbh, us hunters simply dont get the privilege to use it (nor the muscle mass to hold it) :((

I kept my Curated Bad Omens and Trust.

Have curated and 5 other similar rolls of bad omens. It's my favorite rocket launcher in game

Agreed. It's a good rocket for new lights that can't currently obtain hothead.

For as much blowouts as I have gotten and still get I never seem to get one with explosive light

Tell me you're a crucible main without telling me you're a crucible main:

True, although I'd rather not use my heavy to stun champs

I managed to get myself an impulse amplifier explosive light roll myself, guess we'll see if they're any good in lightfall

Subsistence partially reloads on rapid kills, how does that help with single target damage

He probably never saw its insanity in splicer.

font is getting removed, also veist stinger was the only reason fire and forget was, good. now its one of, if not the worst linear in the game

@@markusvuori I'd prefer it over reeds just because each hit has the potential of proccing veist stinger, also its total damage is the closest to Cataclysmic

@@hectornieves537 over reeds yes, but since cata and rockets exist, imo not even worth thinking about

@Markus Vuori true, js in terms of stasis linears lol

More ammo and with a Void Hunter with Gyre Falcons this rocket does the most total damage and field prep and buffing the reload speed puts it into one of the highest DPS's out of the rockets even now.

I'd already scripted in "this will be good in lightfall" so I couldn't wait until afterwards lol

D2gunsmith

50% damage buff for us actually

Linears are only really good for sustained DPS tbh, the ammo economy you get with fourth times is why you'd use linears in the first place, otherwise rockets are going to be much better

Veits stinger nerf. Clown Cartridge rng. Zero ammo perks on Fire, the only one ST has is Clown Cartridge. No RNG involved with Cataclysmic

D2 gunsmith

That would be great

Machine guns are fine because they have tons of reserves, anything else though I'm totally with you