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It is absurd, how cabba a elite warrior in his universe, that was invited to a universe 7 vs 6 tournament is weaker than 2 backwater thugs, that didnt have proper training or any battle expirience

@@imsusanov2287 I think it’s just the potential thing. Like, take gohan for example. Raditz NEVER expected gohan to have as much power as he did and he wasn’t stronger than Raditz sure, but he had CRAZY potential, he was just SUPER young so ofc, he hadn’t been training prior. Now, ofc since caulifla and kale were much older when they were introduced, anytime the writers tried to show their crazy potential, it just came off as lazy bc they didn’t really do any insane training. Their growth wasn’t believable like how it was for gohan.

In Universe 6 he actually tried.

Cabba really only deserved his ssj2 transformation. He attained ssj2 because he wanted to protect his team and his universe. He only went ssj because Vegeta hurt his feelings.

I think even Frieza would have known better than to slap Bulma, let alone knock her out cold, even a light year away from Vegeta. 😨

Not only that but it was unique to Gohan at the time because of his potential

Well youre both incorrect. It was knows as having ascended beyond a super saiyan. It was simply coined ssj2 as an simpligied named when goku was having to explain it to buu. It also wasnt necessarily unique to gohan he simply perfected it while the others acieved a suboptimal ascended form prior to the end of the cell games.

@@thedarkness125 Actually we’re both correct and you failed to note that this wasn’t the first level of power that Saiyans developed. Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks ascended past the standard SS transformation with one transformation that increased their strength with a slight speed reduction and another that greatly increased their strength but reduced their speed to the point of it being useless. After both forms were outclassed by Cell, it then became necessary to Goku to master the SS form without any power and stamina drawbacks. Having succeeded, it was Gohan’s hidden power ontop of training that allowed him to reach the level that would eventually be dubbed SS2. I never said it was unique to only him, however he is the only one affected by it both appearance, personality, and plot wise.

​@@thedarkness125 actually, youre the only one incorrect

Actually, I’m the only one who’s correct.

NGL SSJ3 is my least favorite Z saga Saiyan transformations appearance wise and the stamina drain makes prolonged fights impractical SSJ2 is my favorite of the Z saga transformations

It would be if we actually knew how SSJ3 is even achieved.

@@ChouRaiyukiI always thought that SSJ3 can’t be achieved with a normal body. You have to be either be dead or a fusion in order to handle the initial transformation due to the strain it causes on the body

vegeta didnt want ssj3

Even Vegeta told Goku that although it IS powerful it drains the hell outta your stamina very quickly

He held back on that slap that’s how she lived

@@Joshua15141 if he never held back she was still alive that means she is secretly strong stronger than Goku before he became a super saiyan god

Ki control friend

Bro she travelled around the ship ngl

Shit, maybe she's got God ki at this point.

She has no balls :(

And she doesn't even have balls....

That's how it's supposed to look. Spikier hair with lightning. They made it really hard to tell if a characters was SS or SS2 in Super...

I hate when they illustrate it wrong

Literally only once it happened​@@tysdogvlogs6697

Wdym it’s super saiyan 2

@@jaredjohn9169he’s saying the hairstyle is that of SSJ1 not SSJ2 despite him transforming into SSJ2

@@jaredjohn9169he said it was SUPER SAIYAN hair, not that the form was super saiyan

it happens all the time. Check SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta beginning, both are supossed to be SSJ2 but Goku has SSJ hair during all the episode

@@desu2000 there’s been mistakes at time with Adult Gohan SS2

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Agreed! Every other Saiyan that reaches that level barely looks any different. Heck, even when Vegeta transformed into Super Vegeta against Cell his hair looked slightly different.

My personal favorite is when Gohan goes ssj2 at the world tournament for Kibito but to each their own

They should've made future trunks have the same spiky hair as gohan but with his hair style 😭

Goku looks dope too. One bang looks sharp af

@@boltskyline2957 It's just not very distinct from his Super Saiyan form.

It was never supposed to be a revalent fight so it got the low effort money saving treatment. That’s just typical of action animes.

@@shangothunder1055 even the low effort should follow the correct template. Goku’s hair is ssj 1

@@marklewis5733 Yea it could have been; but your cherry picking a minor animation error in an irrelevant fight that had little meaning with overall plot.

@@shangothunder1055youre sugarcoating it. The whole thing from keyframes to inbetweens…artstyle, storyboard, choreography, model accuracy, animation and vfx is just plain abysmal quality. KZfaq fan animations have done better. I know they were on strict budgets and even stricter time schedules but lets not pretend its at all adequate quality from a titanic production house that revenues billions each year and on one of the biggest ips of all time.

@@Kapo44 Nah dude you’re just making a mountain out of an ant hill. Let it go it’s not that deep.

I think not seeing someone you care about get hurt is different from seeing it happen right in front of you, especially because Vegeta knows a slap from Beerus could do serious damage to a regular person. Also I think Vegeta has developed a good bit from that point and his care for his family has increased since previous arcs

Insert weird alternate timeline crap where Vegeta turns SSJ3

He would have still lost. SSJ2 Vegeta during that moment was supposed to be temporarily similar in power to a SSJ3. Super Buu fought a SSJ3 for a WHILE without much struggle, so he would still be much stronger than Vegeta. If anything, MAYBE he could have killed Fat Buu if he got that power up back then, but definitely not Super Buu

​@cosmefulanito6854 That form is called rage Vegeta in Super which surpassed ssj3 Goku

Her transformations are the most undeserved.

​@@whtevercomesfrstwho cares

@@ausgod538 apparently you do, as I was merely pointing on an observation.

@@whtevercomesfrstNah that would be trunks and Goten.😂

So what about Goten and Trunks

@@ElHappyJuicebox I don’t think they really deserved it either, at least Goten was mad when he got it and idk how trunks got it but it was way too easy. It’s just like Vegeta said how it’s been reduced to a child’s plaything.

​@@odstethan3654 I'm the Best😎

All good dude

Just like Goten and Trunks did in the Buu Arc?

@@insecure8926 exactly.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@insecure8926they did actually train though, so it’s not as bad

​@@AbsoluteZeroLife Did they ?

@@AbsoluteZeroLife Yeah this definitely not Super problem It's Dragon ball problem - Goten unlock ssj because he feel a little angry - Trunk accidentally unlock ssj after see ssj goten Train for many months in the time chamber for like 2, 3 episode idk - still using ssj Somehow managed to SKIP ssj2 & go straight to ssj3 while fusing Caulifa & Kale - Train for 1 episode after seeing ssj Cabba - unlock ssj - Unlock ssj2 after few minutes of seeing ssj2 goku in Top

Me too lmao

What meme?

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😂😂😂

Cauae that's how modern Toriyama designs work. He simply went for a less muscular build over all, even the main characters look more lean in his more modern style.

@ajius6 yeah but cabba literally has no muscle definition. He's literally a stick

@@king6595 Aye, nothing we can do there, that's just Toriyama's design choice

Because toriyama wanted to. Characters don't need to have muscles to be strong in db

Note: He who laid a hand on Vegeta's wife did not pay the price

⁠@@cosmefulanito6854at least a mortal was able to make a God feel a little bit of pain

Cabba first transformation into SSJ2 was also good!

Uhh, did you forget about cell saga gohan?

​@@UnCalentPrimHe means in Super

Because it wasn't stuck with impossible constraints to satisfy. That's why DBS' art sucks so much, lack of time.

The writers just didn’t want to give him ssj3

"WHAT!!???!?"

Enraged Vegeta looks pretty good, imo. Everyone else, not great.

@@twobrosincorporated that one is good, and goku’s transformation in the ToP against caulifla was pretty good as well

Blame toei’s shitty treatment of their animators, I like the look when Gohan went 2 when he fought Piccolo. And when Goku went 2 against Gohan in their sparring match.

vegeta initially turned into a super saiyan with pure hatred for himself, broly was stuck on a remote planet his whole life with no sign of escape fighting to survive and gohan trained with piccolo as a torturous survival game and in the cell arc he trained in the hyperbolic time chamber with goku to achieve ssj2 does that sound naturally gifted to you?

@FakeMaurice YES ACTUALLY! because I'm talking about the person, not the transformation itself. Vegeta is a prince born with the second highest power at birth, just behind broly, whom again, is naturally gifted. Gohan, son of goku, is already a natural prodigy of seemingly endless potential. And don't even get me started on Mr train for 4 months to reach god level frieze-poo.

Also, gohan already had great power to begin with. Piccolo helped gohan, immensely, of course, to harness the amazing potential.

@@FakeMauricebroly may have trained on a planet to survive but he still was strong enough off to contend with goku and vegeta who have had double digit zenkai buff and fought and trained for over 20 years. Both of which have swapped hands with some of the most powerful villains we have ever seen who could blow the universe away or wipe them from existence. Broly also unlocked multiple grades of super saiyan from one fight and was so strong he could swap hands with goku and vegeta in ssj blue and even forced them to retreat and fuse. Yea no dbs Broly is bs too dude.

yeah thats true, but you if there's too many gifted characters then it feels like they become less special when everyone is special so Caulifla's existence undermines the progress the other characters make by making it look easy without making it cool in anyway shape or form. it just kinda happens and nothing about her changes outside of power and you don't get enough time to appreciate how gifted they are if that was the point since it was such a short scene. Maybe instead write some scenes of her learning techniques in creative ways that only gifted people can do or showcase her ability to learn faster than other characters by granting her more technical moves that almost no one else can do. That would make her natural ability a lot cooler when given more context relative to other characters.

lol shut up bro ur cringe

It makes perfect sense. SSJ3 is a inherently flawed form that becomes completely obsolete once SSG is introduced. It's Ki and stamina draw is quite substantial. The power difference between SSJ2 and SSJ3 may be huge but it means little because Goku can't hold the from at full power long enough to make it matter.

They just hate drawing ssj3 that’s all

Seriously? I always think that her form is the form that Broly achieved

@therizoon it is. It’s the legendary super saiyan form, but kale doesn’t turn super saiyan 2 until she controls it. Her berserker form is just legendary super saiyan not a super saiyan 2. On that note, when she does go super saiyan 2, it’s a bit of an unusual case. From what I could gather, kale is significantly stronger in legendary but can’t control it because of the massive amount of power she exhibits. In her super saiyan form, she does have control but her body does get taller and more muscular. When she controls her power, what she actually does is she brings down her legendary form’s power just enough so that she can control it. Hence why she can take on but not surpass god while her legendary form surpasses blue. The difference between broly and kale and why their forms are powered differently comes straight down to base strength. Broly is leagues stronger than kale. There you go.

You mean nothing!😂😂😂

Yeah, because two kids didn't casually transform in ssj with only 5 years old in dbz rigth?

Beerus been Pimpin Since been Pimpin 😆😅.

Huh?

What, I like it

​​@@TheGrimReaper19it's good but if you compare the animation or how rushed the art looked in the first 4 DBS arcs, it's in the low/middle tier

@@hazing1433 I don’t think you know how much of a tight schedule they had when animating this. The animators in-studio are trying their best to make it look decent, to me; knowing this information the animation can be passable.