I don't think Paul finished a complete sentence one time this whole video, impressive

I went with engine back exhaust (headers, front pipe, cbe, and tune) and found that that + performance tires was really all the car needed. The gains didn't change the character of the vehicle power deliver at all but made it feel much more alive. I was very happy I stayed NA.

I got 279 out of my HKS supercharger with stock headers on a 2014 frs

The thing is with a supercharger is you change a pulley and go get a tune and now you got 250whp. So in the end it's definitely worth the price in my opinion.

supercharger is a big price to play. Open Flash Tablet + Header seems to be the right way to go to get it just enough.

Got a supercharged 86 pushing 8psi so very safe and got 186kw at the wheels (~300bhp at crank) and 275Nm. Apart from SC and wheels car is stock. No way tune and header is similar feel ! No way in hell sir!

An alternative to supercharger could be to change the final drive for a shorter one. For 1k $ you have a significant power increase without sacrifice the engine reliability. By the way, thank you for your videos !

That torque dip difference with the tune is impressive.. looks like I know what my next few mods will be lol

the car was designed to do this. feel good stock. add 5k for 40hp more to feel complete. not everyone needs it so price stays low for those who don’t. we japanese think this is a sensible approach to market automobiles and feel it is completely logical and normal.

Wow something is WAY off with the boosted FRS. Less than 200whp with the JRSC??? Please get it re-tuned, that is pathetically less than what it should be making.

Maybe do a side by side quarter mile run for comparison.

Paul: "I like that we've flattened the curves out." Me, in 2020: "Uhhh...."

This was the first video I've seen you guys do, and I just wanted to say that I think you nailed it. I look forward to watching more!

Great review! This is exactly the sort of stuff we want to see! love you guys! One thing that is missing though... a side by side drag race!!

Guys, this is EXACTLY the information most FR-S/BRZ owners are looking for. Well done, and thank you.

I get such a kick watching you two! Awesome as always! Have you two considered doing a sponsered series? You have the brains and the personalities for it!

Todd was SO defensive this entire video, lmao. Constantly cutting off and talking above Paul and doing his best to justify HIS car.

I am glad you didn't forget about the FRS.

Spectacular scenery, must have been an entertaining day out with those cars on those roads!

It's always a good day when you guys post a video!

+40hp with that supercharger? That is way low. Should be getting +100.

The new exhaust sounds awesome. It'd be nice to see back to back on a track day, with equal tires.

Happy to see this back!

Love the FR-S vids, thanks. Watching them now brings me memories of all the watching I did just before I bought one. Now here I am about to install new header and a tune.

I don't agree with Todd's assessment. I was previously tracking an 86 (moved on to another car since). I was bitten by the mod bug. Of all the mods I did (AP Racing brakes, coilovers, exhaust, tune, supercharger, cooling, etc.), the exhaust/tune was the most disappointing. For the cost, it just wasn't enough hp. Once I moved to a supercharger, it was noticeably quicker. To me, the cost was worth it because I could actually feel a huge gain. Exhaust only...no way. Todd is too enamored by his 86, and is trying to justify his decision...which I understand. Paul is dead on right in this video. Paul, in my opinion, is the unbiased one here (since he doesn't own one of the cars) and it's obvious he could tell a huge difference. Either way, great videos guys. Really enjoy them.

This car is nostalgic car that goes way from modern quickness for a certain feel and sound of the old japanses n/a tuner cars, the old integra 2.0l and prelude come to mind, not gonna beat a mustang off the line but may get em in traffic and you will enjoy daily driving much much more as the mustang clutch and heat will wear on you along with the gas fill ups.

I've been waiting on this vid! Thanks for sharing.

still one of the best car shows to subscribe to. Good info, solid camera angles, without the(admittedly fun) corny factor of motor trend.

So, the 86's 2.0L makes 200hp stock. That's a hundred horses per liter meaning it's already highly strung and works very hard for those 200 ponies.. It doesn't have a lot left to offer in terms of making more horses without forced induction. People compare the car to higher end sport cars with much more power but for a 2.0L 4 cylinder car, the engine is strong and deemed powerful. And that is the reason the tune, headers and exhaust seems like a waste of money to a lot of you viewers. It's because after spending 2.5k u only get 7hp increase which seems like a puny amount and it is for the money. But what most of you guys don't think about is the changed driving dynamics of the car. The throstle response, the power build up and the torque curve. Unless you drive a stock 86 and then drive the tuned one to feel the difference your self, you'd never understand spending 2.5k for 7hp. There's a lot more to it then just 7hp. I have a 2012 Mazda 3 with a N/A 2.0l and I've taken similar steps with the tuned 86 featured here. I've put performance headers, a cold air intake, and a tune. Had the loudest exhaust 2 inch exhaust but got in troubles with the law so I took it off. The difference I feel is other worldly. And because my engine makes 150 horses only stock, it had considerable amount more to offer. Now, I haven't dynoed my car but I'm asuming it is pushing 20-30 horses more. People with just a short ram intake and a tune (without the header) have dynoed the same tune on the same car and are getting from 167~173hp. That's like 2.5L power from a 2.0L.

Hope you guys liked the Vishnu tune. Shiv actually used my car for the dyno testing of the FT86SF catted header. Funny part is I also have the V1 cat back from FT86SF. Only difference I have is a Nameless combo pipe with cat and resonator which replaces the stock mid pipe and over pipe

Great review guys!

Love a good 'mod' video on a car I give a crap about!! Keep em' up guys👍🏼

One of the best car channels on KZfaq. Keep it up!

Guys, i'm watching this again for fun, and I agree with everything you said (shocker). BUT what i'm most shocked about is that the Jackson Racing supercharger setup only pulled +/-200hp. Most of those are supposed to be closer to 250-65 or so... I"m curious to the tune he had on that thing. Wondering if it was installed and not actually retuned - so the MAF is tossing fuel at it, but it really isn't optimized. The OFT bump is a bit low- but the elevation plays a part, I get it - but that shouldn't matter quite as much for the other car, and even if it did that still wouldn't lop off 50-60hp. Something seems fishy. I bet that white car has a lot of power hiding somewhere.

just picked up my new 2017 86 G.T.S love it

Fantastic video guys!

1: I can't wait to discuss this with you. 2: maybe it's because I drank the Kool-aid 4yrs ago when I bought mine, and it's just the subject matter, but this is one of the best non-feature length videos you've made.

This car should have 250 plus HP

Nice video. Happy you've got a new logo since this.

Great breakdown of the cost!

A K24 in an FRS/BRZ/86 would be legend. Awesome engine + awesome chassis = Legend.

i really wanna see a brz sti like this with a turbo or super charger on it

I love my 2013 Scion FR-S. It’s such a fun vehicle to drive!

Super agree on tires. I’m running 245 super sports all around on 17”. Amazing. I’m also really enjoy my cat less header with exhaust and the tune. It is much more alive. I love the way the car is now. Supercharged, so much money.

Why isn't there a discussion about final drive it's the most underrated and often forgotten mod do a test at 4.55 or 4.81 final drive.

"Close to the cliff.. Sure. Dangerous..? Possibly. Off the cliff .. Not as good!" haha well put!

You guys are literally answering the exact question I was asking. one thing though, you guys should really try one of the newer positive displacement blowers like the Edelbrock.

I have a '16 BRZ Hyper.Blue with a HKS V3 Supercharger coupled with a Greddy cat-back exhaust. Absolutely love it.

Great comparison 👍 Besides the supercharger you also need to upgrade the suspension, brakes, and tires to control all that power on the ground. It's a big investment unless you track the car every week 😶 I think

2:18 "From push lawnmower to riding lawnmower..." Actually laughed out loud

Thumb's up for a thorough and balanced review, guys. I learn a lot from your channel.

Good video and comparison - nice to see as I have a monogram edition too :) Couple corrections on the Monogram however: 1) The headlights are stock, they came with LEDs as DRL and HIDs as low/high beam for the Monogram and all special edition FR-S series 2) This one did not have a stock exhaust, it has the US Spec TRD Catback Exhaust

Seems like the real answer is to do both!

As you add HP the next few will always get exponentially more expensive :-)

Okay, well they sealed the deal and convinced me to go through with getting a vortech supercharger for my frs :)

Car sounds great Todd

I'm curious what you guys would think about the GT86 with a twin screw supercharger like the Edelbrock. A ton more torque down low and i believe it makes more power than the JSRC. Also a lot depends on the tune.

you guys should try E85

I Love watching your videos. They are very well done. Since you guys are also older dudes for some reason I value your opinions a lot more then other peoples. Also your videos seem more professionalized. Anyway, I have an FRS (Hot Lava Baby) with a Vortech supercharger on an off the shelf tune, hasn't been on a dyno yet, but it feels hella quick like 240 or 250 WHP hella quick. I still Love my 86 for the twisties and corners, but man it needed the power boost. Sometimes I do think about the money I spent and am like damnnnnnn, mainly because of issues involving poorly made tunes, but I can never go back to stock. NEVER I SAY!

Damn! I used to own one of those, mine was blue with the six speed and loved it! Now i wish i have it again!✌🥰👍

2:18 - With an exhaust and a tune, there's hardly any torque dip left!!!

OK, I'm the guy who asked about fuel mileage when you installed the catted UEL header. I also asked if the catback, overpipe, etc. were needed to produce power or just for the "extra noise". I haven't done the UEL yet, but when I saw this I had to purchase an OFT and try the stage one tune. I just installed it today. The OBDII connector can fool you into believing that it is connected when it really isn't but once fully inserted the install went exactly as in the instruction videos. After letting it idle a minute I took my BRZ on a lap of my "local nordschleife" just to put a few miles on the ECU. I was planning a leisurely drive but almost as soon as I got on an open road a Civic appeared behind me, chomping on my rear. Why is it that EVERY Civic driver has to try to race FT-86's? Is it because they've been told that even a Chrysler minivan can beat the woefully under powered FT-86? I had to floor it. As I've read in numerous reports, the stage one tune causes nothing spectacular to happen at low rpm. Acceleration under 3000 rpm is still underwhelming, the torque dip still is there, but, oh, it's shallower and ends sooner and the torque stays instead of trailing off. The FA-20 was noticeably louder, raspier, and it had more Oomph from 3600 rpm up to redline. The Civic couldn't keep up. When I got home I pulled the 12v plug from the glove box and plugged the sound port in the foot well to keep the dB's in check. Yes, it's still a BRZ and even when the UEL arrives it will still just be a BRZ, but it will be closer to its potential.

Interesting comparison....and a rational upgrade...step one, step two and of course step three....the pricing is logical along with the power upgrades....thanks for your fine reviews

Great episode! Side note: Although I happen to think that your current logo looks cool, I simply don't think that it imbues the same level of professionalism and maturity as your show.

I got a stage 2 tune on it with others headers Have now 240 hp and 253nm Without the tune i only got 192 hp

30whp for 5-6k? Yikes

BRZ on the P tuning turbo kit and all the goodies Running on E 85 Making 387 hp 316 torque at the rear wheels I love this thing

I've got a similar setup. Borla UEL header, Perrin cat-back and the Open Flash tune. I definitely feel it's now at the level it should have been all along. That being said, if I had the funds I'd get a supercharger lol

Supercharger worth that much? No. Turbocharger worth that much? Yes. My turbo kit was less than the kit in that white FRS and I make almost double the power to the wheels...

I currently have a stock frs and am very pleased with it. I have considered putting a new exhaust on it but can't make up my mind. I like that the car is not loud and obnoxious. Whatever exhaust I choose I want it to stay remotely close to that. Meaning, when I pull into work, I don't want to seem like an ass hole with a loud car, but I do want some performance increase. That being said, I direct these questions to Todd. Was it worth the money for the exhaust, header and tune? Are you satisfied with the results? Should I look for less expensive alternative exhaust parts or would you recommend your setup for me based on my feelings above? Also keep in mind that I came from a 2000 Toyota echo to this about a year ago and don't plan on doing much to this car. If you decide to respond one way or another, thank you very much.

Well done video for the real world of budget minded gear heads. My situation: I wanted the Focus ST, but my budget got me the Focus SE with manual transmission. I added intake, exhaust, and tune, and got 168WHP. The car is fun enough, and I feel the mods were worth it. Now turbo kits are available for the na mk3 focus, but I don't know if the money is worth the gain. Thank you for this video.

The gains are worth the cost!!

Your car feels "flatter" than a lowered car? I suppose his spring/shock or coilover setup is pretty poor! A supercharger has doubled they gains you've made with bolt-ons but still your're not impressed. I suppose its hp per $$, that you mean. Ya, you said as much. If it were mine, I put a turbo kit on that car. It would cost less and make much more power. The sacrifice would be linearity. All that said, I'm glad you acknowledge modding is something useful and a way of making your car "yours". This as opposed to what @everyday driver usually says, buy a better car instead of modding.

6 seconds into the video and you can hear the crike noise.... I love my 86 !!

Super useful. Thanks

I have a 2013 fr-s open flash unequal length headers all exhaust changed over no cats. So basically straight piped with magnaflow muffler. Also added injen intake , pulley kit to lighten up initial mass and Open flash tablet tuned. These made a huge difference to the car. My sister has a stock brz with just a cat back exhaust and no where near the power. I have never wanted or thought it needed a super charger. I have changed tires (as big as will fit with stock wheels) and this set up pushes those to the edge. I love the set up and wouldn't change it. The tune completely gets rid of torque dip and raises redline 500rpm. The car builds power from 3,000 rpm and doesn't drop till redline. When toyota was asked about why they never forced inducted this car their response was the platform was not built for that much power. They claim they would have to start over from scratch. They did and its called a supra. This car is about light, decent power, close gearing and extreme handling at an amazing price. If you have never driven one up a canyon to enjoyed the cornering and ease of drifting you wont understand this car. If you want to race stop lights go ahead get a hell cat and have fun but don't confuse the two cars.

+EverydayDriver Was the dyno performed at altitude? What type of fuel was used? I'm no tuner, but I'm pretty sure a car needs higher octane at higher altitude, especially with forced induction applications. And I am curious if the car was avoiding knock by retarding the timing resulting in less power. The base kit makes like 260+ whp and around 200 tq, not 200 whp and 175 tq. Something isn't right with your comparison. Also, that might be the stock pulley on a relatively basic tune like the CARB tune. I'm sure if it was on Delicious Tuning's tune there would be more power, and add E85 and most have around 300-320whp.

Should have gone with a twin-screw.

holy shit that tune improvement

Nice to see Randy Couture back!

it needs the 3.0L H6 from the Legacy

Supercharger preserved NA behaviour and feel and is much better way to go than a turbo.

I simply love my uel open flash header + open flash tablet combo. would go e85 if it were more readily available in my area. FI unfortunately is out of my budget atm.

Nice review by Rex Ryan

I'm surprised how slow the supercharged-FRS appeared in the video.

Stop wasting your time with Shiv and OpenFlash. Get an ECUTek cable and find a better tuner, like Mike at Moto East.

Would be awesome if you did an Airlift Performance or similar review. The stock suspension is so great I wonder whether the new generation Air suspensions can keep up.

For 5k-6k you can get a turbo kit that wil give you 270-300hp on the wheels. Go check the options on the cars. There is a lot of good aftermarket kits for the cars.

Why you always hating on the tires? That's one of the best parts of the car, the predictable loss of grip at non dangerous speeds makes this one of the most fun cars around.

Whats wrong with that SC? 199whp with a supercharger? Should be like 240 at the wheel... or more.

Your FRS looks great Todd!

I got an extra 60hp at the wheels from my tune and full exhaust/header kit. Done by a team that prioritizes safe reliable power and custom tuning. The torque curve is almost flat from 2.5-7k and it actually peaks around 6500 at 300NM

how reliable are the superchargers I wonder.

Is the supercharged car dyno tuned as well?

Feels good knowing the FA24 stock engine produces over 200whp and well over 170 wtq on the 2022 twins (also the power is available earlier) All for costing less than the first gen way to listen to the buyers

dang you had some super mild supercharger. Hoped you guys had the HKS kit which adds ~100hp. Considering buying a GT86 where HKS supercharger + full exhaust system + ecu tuning (ofc when forced induction) has been done.

Shoulda drag raced them to see da differents

Common superchargers in germany for this car make 280-300 hp...

Light weight flywheel and pulleys make a big difference in response and pep as well.

So funny listening to your contradictory comparisons of the supercharger as they were happening in the video