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The scene of Koba pretending to be a dumb ape is actually terrifying! Its the first time we see a human level of cunning and manipulation from an ape. Until then, you're thinking Koba is just going out-right fight Caesar at some point.

This isn't hard canon, but a deleted scene from War has The Colonel tell Caesar that a human came to him and pleaded with him to make peace with Caesar, so he executed him... Caesar immediately found out this human was Malcolm. You know, in case the end of Dawn wasn't enough of a debbie downer.

There’s a deleted scene where Caesar presents Koba with the bear pelt as a gift for saving him and Blue Eyes, where Koba embraces Caesar in a hug, and it really shows that, had the ape community not crossed paths with humans, Koba very much would have stayed a good ally and friend to Caesar

The sad thing about Koba? He forgot about the first human that took care of him and his mother. She tried so hard to keep them safe and happy. She’s the one that taught him sign language. But his hate for humans made him blind

The part at the end where Malcolm says “I really thought we had a chance…” and Caesar says “…me too” gets me in the feels every time 😭

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"Who's to decide who's not a true scotsman" It's actually not that bad. Koba killed Rocket's son already, and in doing so made himself not an ape, so he's not protected by that law anymore.

Koba is such a Shakespearian villain, you understand how and why he is the way he is and that conflict was basically unavoidable. Interestingly koba is a bonobo one of the more docile apes that looks similar to a chimp. Caesar is a chimp one of the most dangerous and scary apes but with the intelligence to control his emotions at least makes him more composed until he isn't. Rise had some slightly less than real rendering but Dawn and War they look photo real like it's freaky lol

One scene you didn’t mention that I really like was the scene with Gary Oldman’s character alone in his office after the power comes back on, and being brought to tears over the memories of his family. I really like it for two reasons: 1). It highlights the fragility of our modern existence, where we’re reliant on technology to hold our most precious memories which can be easily lost forever, and 2). gives us some insight into the character and grants him a degree of empathy that wouldn’t be extended to similar ones in other movies. I like to think that part of the reason he wanted to get the power back on was so that he could be reunited with the memories of his long dead family. A very humanizing moment that often gets underlooked but which I think illuminates what is so special about this trilogy.

This trilogy was so paradoxical in that it was the best in the sci-fi business, yet hardly anyone talked about it when they were initially released. Happy its getting recognized, (it's my personal favorite of the 3)

The movie is framed like a tragedy, and I love it. Everything falls into place in the wrong way and ends in a very bittersweet way. I think my favorite scene is where Caesar thinks about Will. Calling him a good man means the world to me.

9:08 Bonus win! Koba fights with pure animalistic fury and bludgeoning. He lets his muscle and instinct do the talking. Caesar uses punches, blocks. He fights more like a man, another sign of his evolution, and ultimately why he wins the fight. EDIT: remembered this because of that scene, when Caesar is choking Koba, you can see him wrestle with his primal chimp instincts demanding he kill Koba. Chimp societies are brutal and savage, and the fact that Caesar is clearly evolved but not TOTALLY detached from his animal nature is why he’s so friggin cool to me

Also I'm pretty sure "Run" is the first, and one of the few things Maurice actually says. As most of the time he signs. The "Run" is probably my favorite line. So chilling, but also, like wholesome if you think about it? Maurice is the OG

This movie is absolutely phoenomenal. One of my personal favourite movies of all time and IMO the best of the entire series.

“If I saw Koba I’d just remove my own face and offer it to him, I think?” Absolutely relatable my guy, this was actually akin to my thought the first time I saw this scene “If I was being stared down by Koba like that I’d probably give him my right arm to beat me with”

Part of why I love Gary Oldman in this is one scene which shows him crying over his family. He shows so much much pain amd sorrow without a line, and you instantly understand why he hates the apes, he can't blame anyone specific for losing his family to the simian flu so he turns his anger and sorrow on the apes. It's easy to say we'd all seek peace ourselves, but we're not in his shoes.

“It only takes one bad dude to mess up life for millions.” This. Resonates.

Clearly this series was not the one to rewatch for me post-pandemic, during active genocides. Everything about this movie hits *HARD* in ways I didn't know I had in me. I genuinely cried watching these movies. I haven't had a movie perfectly reflect the era of my life so well in a long time

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When you say "another war-hungry, complicated anti-hero/villain, 'peace was never an option,'" I keep thinking about the goose. It was only when I looked up the quote, did I understand who you were referencing.

Maurice compared to Koba would at least have the perspective of having seen human children before

A lot of the reason bonobos are so chill is their mating system and social structure. I’m not gonna give details lol but they build very strong interpersonal relationships but koba doesn’t HAVE these social relationships so it makes sense that he’s not as calm.

Fun fact: That was an ACTUAL TANK they got from the army

I just wanted to point out, One thing I love about the early dynamic with Cesar and Koba, the scene with the bear, They know each other so well in a scrap, that when Cesar is confronted with the bear, and he hears Kobe coming, he stands up And makes that howl, so that the bear will stand up on its haunches and roars in an intimidation gesture of it own, set up Koba for the easy kill

The tank shot is one of the best camera angles in the last 25 years. Amazing film. Everything being on location and practical when possible really helps this film genuinely feel real. The effects will hold up for generations. You'd think this came out this year with how good it still looks.

I love bit of Oldman being like "THEY. ARE. ANIMALS!" And then it blips to shot of Apes riding horses meaning they are intelligent enough to know about Animal Husbandry on the Civics Tech chart..... How many other animals do YOU know can ride a horse after taming it? Hahaha

One thing that needs to be mentioned is how during the battle scene the apes were just pointing the ARs and spraying bullets in the human's genral direction you never even see them reloading, chances are there was some friendly fire here and there. By the time Koba is on their doorstep you can even see one to the right shooting at the gate, not at the parapet above or the ones who survived Luca's fireball slam just at the steel wall in front of him, this truly paints a picture of just how unprepared with battle they were and makes their survival in War all the more impressive.

I know Davey Jones in Pirates is a masterclass in CGI that has stood the test of time. But man this and War were so insane I legit forget I'm not watching real animals acting still to this day. There are moments in Daen where it still is a bit uncanny but War was absolutely wild to watch

I love how you can feel the genuine passion for these movies and all the interesting things they did, even with what are generally considered the bad ones. It comes from an actual place of love rather than just filling a quota for a gimmick.

I sincerely believe this is the best of the current crop of PotA movies. Both sides on "even" footing, complicated motives, genuine tragedy, intellectually concise planning and understandable characters arcs. It's an incredibly well-written and paced movie. That just so happens to have talking simians. I love it.

The introduction to this movie is deserving of 10,000 wins. Absolutely soul crushing.

My read was that it didn't come down to Carver and Koba. The conflict would be inevitable in the end. With power the humans would eventually have expanded, either by expedition, or drawing others in. That would put them back into conflict with the apes. Carver and Koba were the catalysts, but if it wasn't them it would have been something.

I'm glad Koba just wasn't the power hungry villain who was jealous of Caesar.

Koba and Carter are a reminder of a grim, harsh truth: it only takes one. As long as there is a non-zero number, we are not safe.

What sucks to me for Carver, is the actor played Joe Toye from band of Brothers. on one side I was happy to see he was getting good roles, but the guy is a phenomenal actor

I'm going through these movies right now. Just have War left to watch. Watching Koba trick those idiots with the guns into letting their guard down was so amazing and terrifying at the same time. 4th try in asking, Lee pretty please. Do an EGA of Speed Racer. That movie deserves more love, and I feel like you're just the person to do it justice!

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One cool scene I really liked was when the apes are coming out of the subway and Caesar walks through the turnstile but the other apes jump and climb over it, just showing how much smarter he is than the others.

An extra win for the this movie and the entire trilogy for not overusing Ceasar's "NO!" in forced scenes for the sequels. Rise is just special!

Matt Reeves should bring Michael Seresin to work in the sequel of THE BATMAN as DoP They did a great job in these movies, and Seresin's style would be a perfect fit

17:28 "Peace was never an option." - Magneto.

On a related note, I saw Monkey Man yesterday and now I'm just hanging out for the EGA for it.

I will never get over how straight up cool the apes look on horseback

Just rewatched Dawn because of this video. Holy hell, it's such a good movie. Hard to believe it's already 10 years old! Its effects hold up infinitely better than most VFX churned out today. And the story is still so excellent, the themes even more harrowing and relevant in the years since its release. I am so stoked to watch your video about War and watch the movie itself, too!

12:04 if you want more of Gary Oldman shooting stuff in movies might I recommend The Fifth Element. Please.

Human work. Human work. Takes Coba from a bad guy to a pretty good character.

The best thing about this movie is just how grey the conflict is. Both sides have one her and one villain in charge. Caesar and Malcolm are idealists who think they can co-exist. Meanwhile Dreyfus and Koba are both shaped by loss/suffering, and feel very patriotic towards their species, to the point of only feeling safe if the other side is wiped out completely. It's especially direct in Koba's case, as he is an abuse victim, who has enjoyed 10 years of peace, and suddenly his tortures come back, and start demanding stuff that will help the rebuild their society and come to power again. Koba literally sees that humans will get the power running again, rebuild, and throw him in a cage again. So he does everything he can, to put a stop to it. But as he takes more and more self serving actions, he sort of becomes a tyrant as well, because the only way he can break the apes who have learned from Caesars peaceful ways, is by establishing himself as the strongest. But yeah, it's interesting to have a good and a bad guy on both sides, and not just one dimensional bad guys, but bad guys who's motivation we can understand.

This guy gets it. This guy gets how much I love these movies. They carried me through lockdown, without them I genuinely dont think I'd be the person I am today

Jason Clarke doesn't get the credit he deserves. Brilliant aussie actor.

You were on point calling Koba a zealot. That's why he was most likely to fall. Leaders can't meet forever the expectations of those who put them on a pillar.

This was the movie I watched alone around when I was 14-15 years old and man I rewatched it twice cause of how amazing it was; also Koba’s screams are so feral, guttural and full of rage while Cesar has that roar of a lion of a leader and Toby was amazing, his mannerisms as Koba were the selling point of Dawn

Pain Heals but glory last forever is damn cool line.

Always loved this trilogy and Dawn was definitely my favourite, glad you covered it.

Another thing I love about Koba was that he was a sympathetic villain done right. We DO feel sorry for him and completely get why he's so hateful and bloodthirsty, but his actions put him in a very villainous light that we still root against him. Usually when it comes to sympathetic villains, it becomes difficult who to root for because we feel bad for the villain. But in Koba's case, we know he needs to be stopped. And it also makes his death tragic too, but a necessary one.

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Another brilliant detail is how the movie contrasts Caesar and Dreyfus silencing a crowd. The human has to yell over them into a bullhorn for several sentences before the chattering trickles to a stop, but the ape is so incredibly respected by his clan that he just needs a single shout. And how those leadership styles end up having a cruel irony to them; Dreyfus not having ironclad control allows his people to form their own opinions and ends up saving a lot of lives, and Caesar being such a revered figure is exploited to devastating effect when Koba makes him into a martyr.

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Fun fact: part of the reason I had so much stress the first couple months of the pandemic was because of this film

I watch this movie in theaters is just amazing I feel the secuel can't be this good when the monkeys are more interesting than the humans Man i didnt know is Matt Reeves he knows to make fire and night scenes

My favorite part of Caesar killing Koba is that Caesar looks like he's going to save Koba until he looks up and sees all the other apes watching and then he knows he has to kill Koba because saving him would be forgiving him for killing Ceasars people (especially Rockets son, Ash). You can tell that Caesar is heartbroken by the choice but it needed to be done. Also I like how we can fully relate to and understand why Koba did what he did. Even after shooting Caesar and doing all the did, I still felt bad for him and what he went through. Also final point I feel like him dropping Koba shows his change fir the first movie when he didn't push the helicopter off the bridge and let Koba do it. Now he did the same thing to Koba thar he originally refused to do.

I just have to comment on the music Michael Giacchino wrote for this movie. The first track, Level Plaguing Field, is so good. It set the melancholy tone of the film briliantly and it's just so so so good. And the visuals sync up with the detuned piano in the background really well to create a powerful clip that really stays with you. If you can give this film's OST a listen, please do. It's a real work of art!

So apparently in a deleted scene from War for the Planet of the Apes, it’s confirmed that some time between the events of Dawn and War, Malcom is executed by Woody Harrelson’s character and that honestly makes this movie so much more heart breaking.

Koba is such a tragic character. He can never get over the fact that he was tortured and experimented on by the humans and does not understand that humans are also kind. He was not raised by Will like Caesar was.

Watch the entire Caesar Trilogy earlier this week and they still hold up as great movies. Thanks for covering them as well here. Can't wait for Kingdom.

10:15 It’s so sad cause these guys weren’t bad or good, and they genuinely were pretty chill toward Koba.. but he was so hurt beyond repair that he killed humans that were fairly kind toward him.

This movie I only just watched for the first time recently and holy hell is it one of the best movies out there. It's a movie about talking monkeys but somehow is one of the most human films ever. Like how the hell does this movie work this well?

The fact that the opening was shown in 2014 and we've had a pandemic since then... It makes the plausibility of this film all the more harrowing.

I remember checking multiple times over years to see if you covered these movies, im so glad youre covering not one but all of the movies!

Kirk Acevedo, who plays Carver, is one of my favorite actors. I'm always excited to see him pop up in something. I've never been disappointed in his performance.

Hey man I love your work. I’ve been watching since your Deadpool video, and I appreciate the optimistic take on beloved and… less beloved movies. Recently though, I’ve noticed a slightly more politicized commentary coming from you, and while I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you’re saying, it always kinda pulls away from the wonder and escapism that this channel seems to be built around. I’ve always loved your work, and I love these movies, so it’s jarring to suddenly be pulled into COVID discussion or “humanity bad” commentary that saturates everywhere else. Nothing but respect for you and what you do, and nobody else gets to dictate how you run your channel. Just thought I’d let you know how a fan of yours feels about it. God bless and best to your family!

Thanks! I still have those suggestions for the coming months or whenever you can: 1. Request #32 for Jurassic Park 2 (1997) and 3 (2001). 2. Request #21 for Shrek (2001) 3. Request #22 for Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). I also understand how you might be busy with Dune: Part 2 and possibly Oppenheimer. But still take your time. Love you, CinemaWins!!! Also is next week (from the War Planet Ape Nebula video): Other trilogy?

I like how Koba's speech is the most similar to a human despite his hate for them.

Much love to you Lee🙌🏼 your videos have given me some smiles about my favorite and least favorite movies for almost 10 years😌

I know it’s because Ruby Gillman was delayed, but it’s a nice surprise to have two Cinemawins videos in a week! Also hoping for future EGA videos about Wish Nimona Argylle Wonka Sing 2 The Bad Guys Game Night and the Scream series.

"Koba rocking 2 SAWs is absolutely bananas." Accidental pun win. *ding!*

1:53 Did I expect a The Replacements reference? No. But I see you, Cinema Wins.

I’m right there with you, I would have loved a tv show that just followed these apes being awesome and surviving in the redwoods as they build their new home. It could’ve give us more of a connection to the characters, Caesar, Koba, Maurice, Blue Eyes, and poor Cornelia who we hardly see in any of the three movies. Yes I know a tie in tv series to the Planet of the Apes trilogy of all things is a bit of a groaner but come on! It’s hyper intelligent apes riding horses and building a society in the redwoods while the world of humanity crumbles to bits around them. How cool is that!

I was thinking about it, and Koba and Caesar probably got the most “brain juice” right? Caesar got a double dose, Koba got dosed and experimented on at the lab and then he also got gassed again too… right? I was wondering why he’s so intelligent and in seemingly a different way than a lot of the apes, understanding manipulation and scheming on a deeper level but I guess he technically is one of the smartest apes alive at that point. Makes sense that one of the smartest apes with the most anger and drive to learn and become “better than the humans” in every way would make him a serious threat.

One detail I think they really nailed in these movies is how Koba twists the idea of "apes together strong" for his own personal power gain - the same way Mussolini twisted the ideas of collectivism to create italian fascism. Even the symbol that caesar uses shows this - the bundle of sticks, in Latin "fasces", was an ancient roman symbol for collectivism and democracy, but under Mussolini was twisted into a symbol of fascism, which is where the word fascism comes from.

I loved how they showed how strong the apes are. It's hard for humans to understand how much stronger something the same size as us is.

recently rewatched all the planet of the apes prequels in preparation for kingdom and I neeeeeeed your everything great about war for the planet of the apes.

I got to rewatch these movies, how did i forget they were so good?!

This is one of my favorite movie channels on KZfaq ❤ I would love to see an everything great about invincible season 1 and 2. I loved ur one villainous scene video !

Okay, yesterday you give us an animated DreamWorks film with Ruby Gillman (you forgot a win for the DreamWorks logo transitioning into jellyfish), and now Dawn of the Planet of the Apes today?

To be honest. I don't think Koba would have went the way he did if wasn't introduced to humans again. They show up and shoot Ash: Koba is pissed and wants to do something, Caesar understands and rallies a group to tell them not to come back. They come back. Caesar helps them get power which Koba thinks could be used against them. This is his BIG turning point. After this he starts to lose faith in Caesar Then one pulls a shotgun on Caesars kid and wife. Caesar does nothing. Koba calls him out and fully loses faith.

wait didnt we just get a video yesterday? this is a nice surprise lol, tho im still wondering if we will get the video for monarch legacy of monsters cause im really excited for that one as i loved the show so much

Koba is one of the most sympathetic villains I've ever seen. Humans mutilated, ridiculed, tortured, and imprisoned him. He has every reason to hate them. Though it makes sense, it does not make him righteous.

I don’t know if it’s intentional by Koba but surely spitting alcohol in the faces of those two guys would stun them in some way

Oh my god! You mentioned Firestorm! 🤞you mention Revelations in the War video

Best Film Of The Franchise and one of the best blockbuster films ever made. Andy And Toby deserved Oscar Nominations. Such a thrilling and deep film. Hope Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes captures what made this so good.

Thanks for releasing this on my birthday

this is one of my favourite films of all time. and it is now, watching this video, i realise truly how jealous i am of your job. fair play good sir

This reboot has been stellar

Do you think you could do "John Carter" and Disney's "Lone Ranger"? Both movies are actually very good with awesome effects and good stories, but were murdered by Disney failing to promote them well. I'd love to see your opinion!! Also, JP3 when?

11:11 Hey 11:11 make a wish! Mr. Inbetween has the sickest needle drop of this song as the last episode ends.

My favorite film. For me every shot, every line, every plot point gets a win.

Loved the video! Any word on if you're gonna do Sonic 2 in prep for Knuckles in a few days?