Had no idea this was something people are saying is problematic with the DSG. Had me worried there for a second 😅. Really great to see you approach this in a logical way that shows live data and results in a clear outcome. I always appreciate your fun and informative content!

The only thing people need to worry about/realize with these transmissions is when in bumper to bumper traffic, you dont want to constantly inch your car forward. That causes excessive wear on the clutch as it's constantly doing partial engagement. Thanks for showing just that.

it’s so interesting to see how each clutch engages visually. coming from a cvt, this is new to me.

This video is absolutely KEY to approach to DSG from manual! Thank you a lot. That data is essential.

Thank you boss. This is the best explanation to date on KZfaq. That clutch readiness precision is insane engineering. Those pneumatic actuators inside the gearbox need to perform precision operation under all kinds of stress conditions. That's pretty impressive

I never concerned myself with the DSG, I'm just a car goes point A-B person. But I watched anyway, All this was so interesting because I'm a Data kind of guy. Thank you for making this video!

A massive Thanks for sharing that video, it has really helped me understand the DSG box and the way it works. I have just brought a skoda yeti 2016 with a 1.2 DQ 200 7 speed dsg box and I never had any idea what was going on in the box. I understand the workings of everything now. when im out on the road I can understand what going on. I really appreciate you sharing this👍👌

VERY USEFUL ! Thank You ! what i do is if i stop at a Stop light and i have like more than 20s to wait i put it in N.

Thanks, very informative video and I like the manner in which you did this.👌 I guess no need for me to put the car in neutral any longer when sitting at a red light, was really scared that I might damage something in the long run💯

This is another one those urban legends that pops up and I always look at the person telling me with the “yes, I can’t imagine ANYBODY in the engineering department over there EVER thought of THAT” face.

Nice video, it would be cool to see how reverse is done. I know the DSG uses clutch 1 for reverse gear and I have noticed if you are not completely stopped and the transmission is still in 2nd gear it will be slightly quicker to get into R since it doesn’t have to disengage the clutch first, but this was on a Gen 1 DQ250.

Great video I was always a bit curious especially with sport producing higher vibrations and rpm’s.

I know this is old. Im new to DSG ( 2023 T-roc R ) and I always wondered how this works. Thankyou.

Another great video! It also now makes more sense to me why we need DSG tunes for more power now too. If they came from the factory already "DSG Tuned" with more clamping power then would be required perhaps it would seem to me at some risk of stalling the engine, or at least like the engine output isnt matched for a nice transition with the torque slip, especially at higher Tq demand/spirited riving.

Great video . The logic and common sense of the explanation prove to me that you know very much about this . Reading the comments some are pretty on point as well . Good video.

Amazingly informative video. The visible data is so helpful in understanding what is going on inside my vehicle. Thanks !

No way they designed it to slip in a stand still, the pressure is only there to stand by. Put it in drive/sport/M and hold it with your brakes as long as you want

I have a 2015 GTI with DSG and this has definitely crossed my mind lol. Thanks for the informative vid..

A DSG data geek out 😁. Data - shutting down trolls one video at a time

Great vid. You really give a thorough explanation in your vids. Much appreciated.

When fully stopped in my 2019 Golf 7 R, I can tell that the cars jitters a bit when it's supposedly half-pressed, which leads me to believe that the clutch is slightly touching the flywheel and is indeed being "eaten" when say, at a red stop. This is why I'm always switching to neutral because I feel like the engineers at VW made the clutch a little bit too close for the fast engagement and it's actually slightly touching, which is stupid from my point of view. Thanks a lot for your video, it really helped me!

When stopped, why is the torque different between the two clutches if both are disengaged? If a clutch is disengaged, the torque will be zero. The zero point for torque seems to be -74 ft.lbs. When stationary clutch 1 increases torque from -74in.lbs to -9in.lbs. How does it do that if the clutch is disengaged? BTW negative torque makes no sense unless there is a change in direction of the applied torque. This video creates more questions than it answers.

I guess it matters what type of DSG you have. If it is with dry or wet clutch pack. For the dry clutch unit, if you go to neutral, at a stop light, you are going to save one of the pressure bearings in the clutch unit, not applying pressure for a long time, to keeping the engine decupled from the gearbox. For the one with wet clutch system, my thinking is that it doesn't matter what you do at stop. I think it is only applying pressure on the clutch pack when the car is moving. But I'm not very familiar with this type of gearbox. (This is just a logical assumption)

Came here after worrying forum posts about DSG, thanks. I guess I will be fine as a slow-paced defensive driver.

From my opinion Manual mode or S mode are absolutely good to use DSG There is an article called DSG SOP 5.0 which I can learn how to properly use DSG

from another video i saw.....its not the clutches that are the issue at a stop, but the release bearing wearing out if you leave it in D rather than Neutral. Which would require the transmission to be serviced. The numbers shown in your video reflect this. So it IS A GOOD HABIT to put into neutral if you are reasonably gonna be sitting at a light.....like you would in a REGULAR MANUAL TRANS.

I had a old 2007 VW with FSI motor and DQ250, the flywheel was worn out, I’ve noticed the clutch didn’t completely disengage at a stop and created extra heat unless put in Neutral. But now I have a new 2017, with same DQ250 (obviously updated and not worn). I can feel the clutch completely disengages at a stop.

I found out my Audi must go into neutral at a stop because of this lag it had after taking my foot of the brake to accelerate. That's the way DSG is designed. I did a reset with the OBDeleven and now it works with no delay, and you can change the engagement time with the OBDeleven also. If you don't have an OBDeleven for you Audi or VB, get one. There are so many changes you can do to your car.

I always put a manual in neutral and let the clutch out at stop lights… in my sons GTi (DSG) I usually snick it into neutral if it’s not a quick light. I know it prolly doesn’t matter, but it makes me feel more mechanically sympathetic😉

(Idont think it was that made said comment) but I did trully believe that sport mode was burning the clutches at a stop. I thought it left them half enaged due too the higher rpms and more importsntly the much faster engagement upon brake release... compared to normal drive which has a huge delay upon release until engagement the sportmode engagement feels instantaneaous(like it was already engaged). I now can tell i was clearly wrong and im actrually really happy i was because ive found normal drive too be super rough in first gear but its much smoother in sport mode(for multiple reasons ie-faster engagment better acceleration/smoother shift into second gear above light acceleration). Awsome:i shall now leave my car permanently in sport mode... okay this leads me too believe that leaving the differential in sport mode is also not bad??

This is a really well done video with the real world data to back it up. Nice R by the way, your car and my car are siblings haha

that was a nice experiment it shows a lot of interesting info. many thanks and greeting from Egypt

Very interesting and nice video, for me too much time in a redlight neutral, i dont like the pressure you make too your brakes.

It seems the clutch pressure increases with torque. In a manual the clutch is always applying the same pressure on the flywheel when you're off the pedal, if I understood it correctly. Interesting

Great video in understanding the dynamics of DSG transmission. Now the I am armed with inside knowledge of this transmission, I am curuous to kwow what would be best mode to drive in bumber to bumper traffic to increase the longevity of the clutches? I believe drive mode would cause many shifts. Will manual be better than sports?

This is a great and very well detailed video.

Great video thank you. Would like to see the actual gear selection next to the torque data…simply because my low band brain needs just a little easier visual to calculate what’s going on

Nice I drive in manual all the time Most of the time in the city so firs and second gear will not change so often back and forth all the time

Great explanation! 🤙🏼

Perfect explanation, can’t be any better.

great video, your car sounds awesome! could you do a similar video but with launch control, and how that affects the clutch?

I drove my S3 2015 only in dynamic mode. No issues with the dsg and I had it for 9 years 100k miles.

Excellent video, very informative 👍👍

Always wondered what strategy was used, I have a 2015 POLO GTI that seems very "aggressive" in it's strategy for shifting causing me to worry about the life of the clutch packs.

I am sorry if my question sounds stupid. Can i summarise the take away as at a stop light, it’s theoretically best to switch to neutral since it disengage everything, including all the minuscule torque and engagement of the clutch. While best practice, it is unnecessary. Is that right? I am buying a golf 7 next week and been researching on how to look after the gear box. Plenty of horror stories I have heard from gearbox that’s badly looked after. Thanks in advance.

Thank you so much for this explanation!

Thank you for the vid, one question, what happens with the numbers when you apply the Auto Stop?

Wow Very nice and informative video ever about DSG. THANKS MAN.

I use sport mode to be obnoxious because it stays in 4th for ages which makes my exhaust obnoxiously loud hahaha

Hello, i find very interested and helpful your data! I will like to make a question. This time in video, that you explain the all thing about engage and disengage of clutch .. you use the electric handbrake? I guess that you don't use it.. but if you use it , in the auto hold function, what it will happen when you are stopped and waiting (maybe) in the red light? Sorry for my english! I hope to understand my question!

What can damage the clutch is stop and roll or go type driving in heavy traffic sitting at a stop the clutch decouples but if the car is moving slightly it tries to engage the clutch but slippage happens cause it doesn't fully engage thus causing some ware

My observation would be if you are in Drive and you are stop the pressure in the transmission is on clutch two and transmission has pressure on clutch one so when you need to go the transmission is ready, but this is my observation.

It won't harm the dsg clutches. Some people just think that, but it is based on opinions not facts. It is not a good idea to put it in neutral but to leave it in d or s mode.

Why would manufacturers put a sport mode in there if it doesn’t last or break your car?

Steering with one hand, stretched left arm and the right hand doing nothing on the knob of an automatic gearbox. Types like you definitely burn clutches and ruin DSG’s 😂

Great, now I wonder if you would be able to do one about resting your hand on the gear lever if that does anything to the transmission.

@EVERYTHINGcpo Does using sport mode helps DSG gearbox to last longer because of less gear changes happening? Even though it comes at the cost of higher fuel consumption?

Excellent video. First time you can actually see difference between N and D. For me, the only question is why there is pressure in clutch, when you are in D and breaks engaged? What that pressure means exactly? Clutch is engaged still somehow, but not slipping? And torque gets generated only when you drive? Or torque will be generated when clutch is slipping?

WTF🤦🏻‍♂️..I run in Sports Mode every damn day and have Zero issues

When we are ont light trafic, the best is out neutral or star on drive mode ?

Awesome video... Just wondering what happens when it's in P or R

Interesting! My Skoda Fabia DSG7 is currently in the workshop for clutch change. Have you noticed any difference in clutch pressure depending on how hard you press the brake when stationary? I feel that the revs drop and possibly the engine shuts down to save the environment when you press the brake hard. If I step loosely on the brake, it feels like the clutch pulls a little. Maybe that's why my clutch needs to be replaced after 6400 mil. I didn't think about this as the car was new and usually had very little brake pressure so that the engine wouldn't shut down.

Brilliant video! Thanks 🙏🏻

So in the end, what do *you* do when waiting at a red light? What do you recommend? I personally decide to go the neutral only if I know it's going to be a long wait, like more than 40-60sec on the traffic lights' timer. If it's less than that I don't even bother.

This makes me wonder which is better over all for clutch and possible engine. Putting car in neutral and leaving engine idling at a stop. Or alternatively leaving in drive and letting auto stop kick in so engine stops completely and clutch not in use at all?

So it seems to me there is a difference between manual and drive/sport modes. In drive/sport, the clutch not engaed prepares fro the next shift by building some positive pressure. In manual mode this does not happen beause it cannot anticipate when you will shift and in which direction. So manual shifts feel different when you're driving around in manual mode. Am I right?

Great video, the question is, is it better to use “autohold” than putting it in N, or is putting it in N better for preventing wear & tear? Thank you for informative video.

Could you please also explain that how to use DSG, bumber to bumber traffic.While waiting for the green signal, do we need to put it on N as I see that clutch engagement can be avoided which helps long life of DSG?

And what happens when in D mode the auto start-stop system turns the motor off at the red light and then turns the motor on and starts the car by brake release ?

hello there, this is a really interesting video/information. what is the app on your tablet? Thank you.

So if I get it right the best way to keep your clutches for a long time is to put on N while waiting ? Thanks for sharing

Nice video! Very interesting demonstration!

wow very interesting i love how you explained it

Well played sir very well played

Big fan of data driven decisions 🎉

The clutch is destroyed when you start climbing a hill from 0 km/h or driving in heavy traffic

Hey my dsg jerks and feels like it’s going to stall from complete stop. No other point doesn’t do it. Have tried a few different possibilities but nothings changed. Thinking of getting vagcom cable to do basic reset. Not sure what to do

So should we switch to Neutral in Red traffic signals, so that the gear will be totally disengaged and will get more life for DSG ?

Could you explain how the auto hold feature works? Is the clutch engaged as your foot is off the break when stopped? Great video and explanation. Thanks

Thanks for the data. Have you tried any while utilizing the brake “hold” feature. I keep it on and find myself removing my foot from the brake pedal until the light turns green and then I just press the throttle. I wonder if I’m allowing the clutches to go into that “ready to engage” mode prematurely

Really enjoying your technical content very well done!! Just wanted to ask about your open IE intake set up with the Do88 intercooler. I've just purchased the Do88 cooler and looking for a nice intake and considering the IE one but worried high IATs of an open intake will rob me of power/performance. Do you think the cooler equals things out and keeps temps at a happy power making level?

thanks a lot, one is never to old to learn, in my case anyway.very good explanation of how everything works. Maybe you can help me with the following DSG question, is it possible to rev match a DSG in downshifting with the shifters of course. Pardon my english ,I am Dutch so.....

All this makes me miss the simplicity of just being able too just drive with out a worry..I miss my 2002 tahoe

What is regulaiting the clutch preassures? Thought it is spring loaded?

nice, were i can buy the dongle?

Great video! Really answer my curiosity about the clutch engagement in real time. I have another question! Very often we're told to drive a dsg differently as compared to an auto car, by not releasing brake to inch forward (it's like a half clutch effect in manual car) during traffic jams, but rather to ensure there is enough space in the front and apply gas so as ensure clutch is fully engaged when we move. Is there anyway we can prove this theory on how the clutch is half or fully engaged?

Ok so what doing fuel consumtion (evonomy) difference? when you stop and on Drive mode and foot on brake pedal and fuel consumption is 0.7 l/h and same you stop but put transmision on Neutral and there is fuel consuption 0.6 l/h. How you explain that?

What will be the status of the clutch when cruising on a highway ? At a constant speed and in the top most gear ?

Hello Brother, I need to know what oil you are you use?

what happens if you rev it in netural or park i wanna see the results and if its damgaing your transmatition

What's the little circle within the rev needle on the digital cluster that moves with it? Does it flash when you hit redline or anything? Also how much of a pain was it coding the speed limit sign recognition to work?

What is the maximum clutch pressure after tuned? Is there a different comparing to stock calibration?

Surely the whole point of sport mode is that you want it to set off faster so it would be fairly pointless if it was not good for it to sit at lights etc?

Please, can anyone tell me why the torch remains at -9

when in in heavy traffic i use manual mode or S also and use N at stop, i also even feel shencsr just sliping, its like manual car

I got dsg7 381q... for now still kicking... it will need oil change at 50 000- 60 000km...

Good video and explanation

Does the parking, hand brake have any effect?

But why is the rpm going up and where does the vibration come from when stopping in D/S? The video only answer half of the question😆

Does this apply to DQ200 dry clutch gearbox too?