Thanks so much!

@@SeanMcDowell Dr., I have a question regardng the preaching of scripture. While many Christians are quick to quote scripture at individuals or even groups of people they feel are sinning, they seem to be woefully neglectful of quoting scripture to others that they perhaps feel less inclined to judge for various reasons. For example, in Matthew 25:32-46 Christ makes it quite clear that we are mandated to care and advocate for the poor, the sick, the incarcerated, and the marginalized, and clearly states that those who do for "the Least of These" are doing for Him, and will go to their "reward"...BUT He also says that those who do not do for them are NOT doing for Him, and will go to their "Eternal Punishment". Yet, I NEVER hear any pastors telling people that they are in danger of Hell if they ignore the poor and the needy, and yet Christ has said this. This (neglect of the poor and needy) was, by the way, the actual "Sin of Sodom" (Ezekiel 16:49). Also, Christ tells us that the rich are in danger of Hell ("Woe to the rich, for they already have their reward" and "It is easier for a camel to travel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God"). Once again, I NEVER hear ministers EVER preach to rich Christians that they are in danger of Hell. Why do you feel there is this hypocrisy among some Christians? Also, although we are cautioned by Christ to avoid judging altogether unless we ourselves are without sin ("Judge not lest YOU be judged"..."let he who is WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone"..."We are all sinners, and ALL fall short of the glory of God"), still Christ allows that if we must judge that we do it "righteously". The problem I see in the world today is that many are judging out of contempt or hatred for those they are judging, and when that is the case that is the opposite of righteous judging. I would appreciate your thoughts on these points I have brought up. God bless

Very helpful works of questions !!🙌🙌🙌praise Jesus

@@SeanMcDowell Hell? Lewd fellows of a baser sort ie. mendacious Jacklegs, have tampered with scripture. If you are thrown into hell you will burn forever DAY AND NIGHT. God is going to create a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH, without DAY AND NIGHT. Day and night does not exist in heaven, only light, day and night only occurs on earth. Day and night will uncreated, and everything pertaining to this finite time. There has never been day or night in heaven, death is an unconscious state, A=B, Sean death is conscience eternally A = Bob death is unconscious eternally B. Hence Sean, once again your life is impossible, either death spiritually or carnal is conscience or unconsciousness. GRASSHOPPER last time I checked carnal death is unconscious hence spiritual death is unconscious. Dah... your so stupid, Logic 101 instructor, not false teacher yes, according to Logic 101.❤🤩🤩😎

@@granvillesimmons6033 Wonderfully expressed questions!

Have you ever heard the story of Hellen Keller? We all k ow she had a slew of disabilities but over came them and when her teacher taught her about God she got really excited and said that she had always knew him but didn’t know his name. It says God reveals Himself to everyone we just have to take the blinders of the world off long enough to see Him.

There are so many examples of Christians lying about stories like this.

I am very well read of the Christian sacred text. I have read the Russian orthodox version too, and Enoch which is in the Ethiopian connon. I figure it is well there is no God as according the the Christian holy texts their God is a work a supreme evil.

Thank you Dana for sharing such an AWESOME testimony! You BLESSED my heart. God YHWH bless you! 💖

@@Laborman17God takes the blinders off the unbeliever (2 Cor 4:4)

I agree 100%

Thank you for saying it. Question one was so weak it took me out immediately. So many problems about the way that question is answered alone have me doubting these guys' credibility to discuss these actual good questions.

I agree. Sadly, judging from to majority of these comments, the sheep are none to the wiser.

I feel these answers are simple because the answers really are just that simple

You're right. My favorite is in objection 4, where these men attempt to explain away the difficulties of Arminianism with Calvinism.

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

Wonderful! It's a great read!

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

We might have to!

What about discuss with someone knowledgeable of the Bible. So they can just make up stuff to avoid uncomfortable issues

Wow, that’s cool you started with Evidence!

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

It's so good!

Same. Really helpful to read the New Age ones coming from that background.

Thanks for listening

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

@@SeanMcDowell 1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

Awesome, I hope you enjoy this one!

@@SeanMcDowell so the more suffering i cause the greater the good? cos you'll be compensated in heaven and all things will be put right? i'm off to cause as much suffering as possible then cos apparently it's good.

Just a tip: the answers in this video will not work well on non-Christians. Only Christians with the same interpretations as the guest. Feel free to ask me if you want feedback on what you want to say to non-Christians.

@@Iverath you got my attention. Curious...What would you say differently?

@@HarryNicNicholas Read Romans 6 and Hebrews 10:26-31. If you live with this mentality, you haven't truly repented, so you won't be in heaven.

Our pleasure!

Glad you liked it!

Word salad.

@channelfit2406 "Word salad" to those who are unregenerate. Trying to explain spiritual Truth to someone who is unregenerate is analogous to attempting to explain a symphony orchestra concert to someone who is deaf and blind.

@@justin10292000 he disagrees with you so he's deaf and blind huh. A very christian response :P

That argument has been debunked for years now. The main counter is simply the problem of natural evil, as well as the evil that affects children and especially babies. Why would a volcano, tornado, tsunami, or any other natural disaster be "earned" by humanity - especially when millions of those impacted are going to be children? Your whole argument utterly fails to account for this. Beyond that you have a number of quite horrific diseases and conditions that affect children. Some twins are of course born with their bodies melded to each other. Others are born without any skin, dying shortly after in horrible agony. Some people are born doomed to acquire "Horton's syndrome", which varies in intensity, but at its worst feels as if a hot poker is being rammed through your eye into your brain. The pain is reportedly so bad, that most people who have it commit suicide before they turn 20. None of them did anything heinous to earn such punishment. This is just a small fraction of the natural evil that exists in the world. And lastly, your own argument is quite easily debunked by pointing out that God **DESIGNED HUMANS**. That means he **DESIGNED THEM TO SIN**. So he is punishing them, with **ETERNAL TORTURE** for something that **HE DESIGNED**. Just think about that. And not only is he punishing them eternally, but he for no good reason decided to rectify this situation, HIS SON SHOULD BE TORTURED TO DEATH ON A CROSS. That is, that a blood sacrifice was necessary to forgive humanity, rather than simply forgiving them without the blood sacrifice. Oh yeah, and I almost forgot to mention - Jesus came thousands of years too late for millions of humans living in the millenias before christ (BC), meaning they were doomed to sin with no chance of salvation. Christian apologists like William Lane Craig defend this with "well, sure God may have missed a few people. But he got most of them!". That's your "perfect" God for you This is so horribly irrational, that most people tend to view Christianity as nothing better than a pagan myth. It does come from the bronze ages, after all. If you decide to, I'd welcome you into atheism - and a more enlightened, intelligent understanding of the modern world :). Best wishes

@@justin10292000 It’s word salad to everyone who isn’t a member of your cult who desperately wants to have an explanation for the silly parts of Christian mythology that don’t make any sense. But I guess that trying to teach logical thinking or how a sound epistemology works to people who desperately want their ridiculous religious beliefs to be true is a waste of time.

What position does Hart take?

@@SeanMcDowell Hart is a proponent of universal reconciliation, as well as an atonement theology more aligned with aspects of a Christus Victor theory. His metaphysics as presented in The Beauty of the Infinite, then further nuanced in You Are Gods, also lands in a different place than this interview presents as it holds forth a place for theosis.

@@kylekloostra5659 Universal reconciliation makes far more sense to me.

I appreciate David Bently Hart a lot--Tsunami and Theodicy is a great treatise on the problem of evil, for example. (I don't see universalism in the Bible though. I think the biblical answer is that the fire consumes the wicked rather than torturing them forever.)

Even in the penal substitutionary atonement framework, the discussion on hell made no sense. He even admitted as much when he basically said "Jesus said it's true, so we have to deal with it." This one point--trying to make sense out of a God who thinks eternal conscious torment is OK--is where I expect Christian apologists to lose basically anyone who is thinking clearly.

I would like to see such a discussion as well. Honestly I feel like I could “win” an honest debate with someone like this just because I’ve wrestled with this doctrine of hell for so long and I’m not afraid to call bs on his answers. I do hope that the tide is turning and this doctrine is on the way out. It’s grotesque and makes a mockery of a loving God.

@@jp-gy3vh I haven't ever seen a proponent of eternal conscious torment really grapple with historical reality--the apostolic fathers believed in conditional immortality, and the greatest of the reformers/Bible translators did too (Martin Luther, William Tyndale, John Wycliffe, etc.). I also haven't seen them really deal with the exegesis of the many dozens of biblical verses and passages that strongly support conditional immortality, and how exegesis of the texts they use to support eternal conscious torment actually shows that the texts are easily harmonized with conditional immortality. And I find it absolutely baffling that more Christians aren't questioning what is clearly the worst possible thing anyone could believe--that a being exists who is powerful enough and evil enough to keep other beings alive literally forever and torture them the whole time.

IF your at work, and your boss says "because i said so"... why do humans suffer with the idea... if God says so... Its unfair... its wrong... I have heard the argument used to say, parents do this all the time... "punish our kids.. so they learn grow, protect them, etc... If a perfect person says... if you fall off a building gravity will bring you to the ground... do we blame God? No... because Gravity is a law he put into place... why would you think the other things he put into place should be up to interpretation?

@@Jasminestealth1 we struggle with the because I said so argument because it's a bad argument You can't just say because they are an authority they are right by definition, you have to provide evidence for the claim. The gravity analogy is not comparable because we can test that it's there without somebody just saying its there.

@@thecommentors9973 I would say it is you (mankind) who is trying to give authority to God, and therefore that statement doesn't work... the problem is God is the authority, and your putting your mortal finite mind, to the infinite authority... which is understandable... but not right

@@Jasminestealth1 that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

@@thecommentors9973 your freedom to choose :)

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

Everyone I’ve talked to that believes in ECT says they believe it’s fair, even after I press and question their stance. I think that they have too much fear of God’s wrath to say or believe anything else.

@@jp-gy3vh Yeah I can see how it's a catch-22. In Orwell's "1984," Big Brother is Good. He defines goodness. Therefore, anything Big Brother decides to do cannot be questioned. People are using exactly the same thinking to defend eternal conscious torment. The Bible, though, says "Taste and see that the Lord is good." Jesus said "I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends..." It should be obvious that God wants intelligent and willing worship and appreciation.

Not satisfying at all. I expected more.

No because it goes against his character. God is both loving and just. His righteousness demands that He punish sin, but His love motivated Him to offer a way to forgive sinners.

@@IsntsheRocio that’s what your told…but, it really doesn’t make sense. As the offended party…God could simply forgive…and remain just. Unless there’s a Justice higher than him that dictates the parameters. How he set things up was this choice…knowing what would happen. So, he chose the path that led to most being in hell.

@@IsntsheRocio It's also in God's character to be omnipotent, yet he designed a world in such a way that essentially ties his hands and forces him to torture his own creations (which he apparently loves) for all eternity. It seems like forgiveness or some sort of penance would make more sense, yet he goes for endless suffering instead because he just can't stand what he has made.

@@jayvansickle7607 And that's even without touching the idea that "punishment" is a righteous thing in the first place, not just trying to make a right out of a second wrong.

@@_volder more so…The idea of eternal punishment…or, even post death punishment is unique to any idea of just punishment w we use. It’s not protecting anyone, or reforming the individual. It’s just sadistic torture.

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

I am fully on track with the conditional immortality. I have a book called "The Fire That Consumes". I know the lady who made a movie about the authors life called "Hell and Mr. Fudge". I have yet to read the book but I understand that it is quite thorough in examining all relevant scripture on the subject of hell. God's word was designed for thorough investigation and when we come to conclusions based on just a few verses, God is not honored in that. The same thing happens with Evolutionists finding supposed evidence for common descent. If they continue to examine the evidence, they will realize that the evidence for evolution falls apart.

Let me also add that God wants us to make a decision for Him, not a decision against hell. In other words, so many people are presented with an eternally burning hell and the thought of that entices people to choose the alternative as a means of escaping eternal torment but how many are really converted? On the flip side of, today how many are rejecting God because the doctrine of eternal torment is so horrendous? They can't bring themselves to worship a God that is satisfied with tormenting people forever for a few decades of wrong doing. We should also recognize that if we conclude that justice is being served by way of eternal torment, then we will become like the god of our invention. I'll stop there; I don't feel that I'm articulating very well 😬

@@truthbebold4009 The metaphor of evolution and common descent is a good one. Inside the evolutionary model, you don't ask the questions that would free you from the model. But once you allow yourself to ask the right questions, you see how poor the scientific case for common descent really is. Same with eternal conscious torment. The biblical case for it is extremely thin, compared to a powerful case for conditional immortality.

@@truthbebold4009if that is your approach about how a person gets saved (saved from what?)….then May I suggest you to take a very sharp razor blade and remove the word “chosen” or any synonyms from the Bible?. I would not put my faith on what would be left over…

In this case "evil" is more like calamity or war which is the opposite of peace.

Soo when it soo clearly states in the bible , then why do we say he didn't. The devil does not get credit for creating anything, the devil did not all the sudden one day create evil and then God was like ohhh look that is smart, let me use that in my arsenal. Although, can you name one instance in the bible where God does something evil for the sake of doing evil and not when he is judging someone.

@@tweezy5804 it's an interesting point. It doesn't make or break anything for me. God is God. I wonder though it maybe the act of creating creatures who possess free will and ultimately choose evil is the logic behind God "creating evil". Or, was the possibility of evil created by God giving free will. Or did Gid make evil in order that one might have free will and not have to always choose good by default.

No, because apologetics is about retaining believers, not fully exploring ideas.

@@weirdwilliam8500 Yeah, that’s what I find so strange. What does truth have to fear from other interpretations?

@@weirdwilliam8500 There are actually a lot of other channels that do precisely this.

@@cpjds1 I’ve watched them. They don’t. They give superficial answers or ad hoc speculation that seems designed to cut doubts short before they can be fully considered. That’s apologetics.

I think that is a different kind of discussion. That is more of a debate, and that is a good thing to do, but this is an apologetic discussion. There is a place for both kinds of discussions!

Choose him or burn in hell for eternity? Sounds like a very respectful god to me!

Read Job. God allowed Satan to test Job.

@@joannadavignon1608 Yes and the Spirit of God Lead Jesus into the Wilderness to be Tempted. Temptation is not a sin.

Tell that to the women and children of Sodom. Even Abraham tried to dissuade God from killing all those babies. According the the text God lies to Abraham about what they intend to do. And the 3 saved include one who wants to sacrifice children and two rapist. God has a strange sense of humour

I believe the Bible teaches us that people are judged on an individual basis (what they were exposed to, what they lived through, what they knew about God and Jesus, etc). But he will also know the difference between us having real barriers versus using things that look like barriers outside our control but are really us choosing to ignore or reject the gospel, God, or Jesus. As someone who experienced severe spiritual abuse, there was time in my life where that was an absolute barrier to my belief, and an even longer period of time that it was a convenient excuse to keep him out of my life and not face my trauma, and eventually I realized it was my own choice… that I knew I had been exposed to severe trauma and lies about God and Christianity and that I really should try to learn it anew as an adult with free will instead of continuing to live like a confused hurt child. After that point it would have been my own sin to refuse to find out what was true versus what had been twisted and tainted by people I could now properly see were abusers and liars and evil.

Same. I understand Romans 1:20 is truth but I can't help but think that God gives people ample measures of grace to see His goodness over the span of their life.

@@selahr. My sons were born with schizophrenia. It is genetic. One has extreme fear of hell ever since a teacher told him if he didn’t believe he was going there. The only way he can cope is to be atheist. He did ask for healing when he was little. My other son sees and consults spirits and is agnostic. I’ve been praying for them for 30 years! It’s a long story but -My mom had this disease and she murdered one of my baby brothers. She took her meds and loved the Lord, but kept this secret from me her whole life. I found out after she died. Had I knew, I would not have had children. Now Im working on forgiving her and my dad and God for not warning me and preventing this travesty. There has to be more to judgement than “you’re in and you’re out” because you had the privilege to recognize the truth. I pray that there is mercy and healing after death.

it's okay, it's all fantasy

@@bran7134 and yet it's still a failure of your God mythology to suggest that eternal punishment awaits for culturally defined "sin". Before you give me the "what is right then is right now" argument, realize that slavery and things like "sell your daughter to her rapist" were cultural mores imposed by a religious system of the day. You can't have it both ways. So if the idea is that the God myth of your life BECAUSE of the Bible (you say) wants rapists to own their victims, I say that's a God that is evil, barbaric and a complete creation of the cultural mores of the day. THAT kind of "God" deserves hellfire and damnation.

Well please come on KZfaq and do a better job explaining please. I would love to listen

@@psynurse how about you read a book or the better critiques? always find the snark relatively useless. You COULD have asked "what would be a better form", but your lack of moral or social adulthood makes you look like a bitter and despairing person - is that the context you'd want your cult to be known for? I mean, Sean himself makes this goddamn point a lot, apparently to deaf ears. Jesus pointed out we should worry about the log in our own eye. When you treat critique like an asshole, we see where that log is lodged.

Go 5 minutes in. Not all questions are approached with a fast food response. Hope you find the answers you are looking for. Blessings and happy new year!

only if you think there is a god and that god is an idiot.

Amen. I made the same point. Further, his circular answers are fundamentally flawed. As a PhD in philosophy, he MUST understand that he's going to be discredited for these somewhat lazy? answers. Perhaps he doesn't take the forum seriously. Maybe he's on a book tour and just had a bad day. Dunno. I think Sean is trying to find good apologetics, but if he really wants the apologetics to work for folks who don't already have a predisposition to confirmation bias, he has to do better.

@@bran7134 5, 10, 46:59. James is right. Hope you find the answers you need to help you think for yourself. All/any good "god" myth would want for you! Not for nothing, wishing happiness isn't really Christ's MO. So while people appreciate the platitudes, what would make it truly happy is for you to introspect. Can I get an amen?

@@desnock he's deffo on a book tour, check out the website, page one - no mention of jesus all about books and where to buy them. i love xians.

If I may ask, how much evidence would be necessary for you if you were to accept Christianity?

@@legodavid9260 Lay out your best evidence, and we'll start from that.

@@legodavid9260 Thanks for asking. The concept and execution of Christianity is nonsensical. I won't follow something that is nonsense, and neither should you. I'm interested in people who claim bible Jesus existed for as yet no one in 2000 years has ever provided any evidence

@@legodavid9260 1 Kings 18 would be a good start! 😮

@@legodavid9260 I can tell you what kind of evidence isn’t enough… unverifiable anecdotes and anonymous hearsay in an ancient book that contradicts scientific facts. But how much evidence would be necessary for you to accept that the global flood of Noah didn’t happen or that Evolution is true? The evidence is good enough to convince pretty much all scientists on the planet, so why isn’t it good enough to convince you?

Good points Yahweh in some phases of Israelite religion is conceived much in the way of Calvin’s god. Yahweh like a character in a novel changes through the story different authors having different conceptions of this character.

My understanding is 'evil' in that context is not moral evil, but natural evil. An earthquake, vs. murder. God allows both, but only the first comes from God. But I also think of the command in Genesis to subdue the earth. I take it to mean that God intended men to make the whole earth like Eden. So medical practice is one example of fulfilling that command. Also, with sound engineering we can overcome earthquakes. In other words, God intended humans to be his agents to complete creation. But moral evil works against that. Violence, wars, etc. destroys creation instead of completing it.

Don’t be ashamed, everyone has their own path

@Clarity Ministry Hi, I wouldn't say I have a new world view. I'm still the same person and move through life as I did as a Christian. I've always had very deep, difficult questions and was always very uncomfortable under the Christian frame work/story line. I have a tremendous amount of problems with the "way" I should believe. I always thought maybe there is just something wrong with me cause everyone else seems to be ok with it all......but now I've accepted the fact that it will always be the case for me, so I had to check-out of Christianity, and I'm sure God understands, but maybe he doesn't. And I accept that too.....

@Clarity Ministry How about you? I'm assuming you have no problems with Christianity. Do you feel it's completely logical and consistent?

I'm at a loss for words... It's hard for me to grasp mentally, what you could be struggling with...! But there's something attractive about your candour... [minus trong language] I really feel saddened somewhat.

@Mike Kulati I'm sorry you feel sad and don't understand, but its ok. You don't need to.

This was the question I wish would’ve been addressed better. There are five reasons or so 1. Genesis 3 and the curse when sin entered the world, so did death, destruction, sickness, natural disasters, pain of childbirth, weeds, carnivores animals ect… God’s perfect creation was marred by sin chosen by Adam and Eve and the curse is generationally passed down and the earth is unbalanced. God immediately setup a sacrificial system of redemption to restore His relationship with His creation which is why Adam and Eve are in Heaven today. 2. We have an enemy 1 Peter 5:8 the devil walks around like a roaring Lion seeking whom he may devour. We see in Luke 13 Jesus is on a boat and rebukes (the word rebuke is only used for demonic activity) a storm. Evil spirits are capable (but limited) in causing storms and death (they were attempting to kill Jesus and His followers on the boat. If they were unable to cause death, they wouldn’t have bothered to try). There is a boy who has seizures and is demon possessed and Jesus casts the demons out healing him. Demons to an unknown degree can cause health or mental issues. Don’t hear what I’m not saying. I am not saying that all sickness or mental illness is demonic, but some of it can be, or maybe even exacerbated by the demonic. Satan repeatedly causes decision, hate, encourages people to sin, murder, lie, steal, destroy. Why doesn’t God stop him right NOW? Tough question. He will, but throughout the Bible we see God making comments like “their sin is not yet complete” one example found in Genesis 15:16. I’ll sum this up as briefly as I can. God gives as many chances and opportunities for repentance as possible. Only He knows when there is no more hope and He comes in full of wrath. He even leaves His people the Israelites suffering in slavery for 430 years while He waited for as many Egyptians to turn their hearts as possible. God even sends plagues that essentially “defeat” all the main gods of Israel to prove Himself over their false gods. He even hardens the heart of the pharaoh and allows a death angel to destroy the firstborn sons (those under the age of accountability would go to paradise and those who were evil went to Hell. This seems cruel, but since their sin was at this point complete, if He let them go on, every single one of them would grow up to live a Godless life and go to Hell in the end because of it. If you could interview these dead children, they would likely point to God’s love in taking their earthly lives because of the everlasting life they would have otherwise not known. This argument is designed for this context and is not to be used for children dying today or even in the very next chapter). Matthew 6:24 shows that you either serve God, or the alternative is you choose Satan. Satan’s sun is not complete yet because we have the option of serving him and asserting ourselves and our desires upon God’s throne, or having God as our Lord. God promises to punish Satan and his evil spirits. 3. God disinherited mankind at the Tower of Babel Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Deuteronomy 4:19-20 because of the evil in the Garden of Eden, then the time of Noah, and now this, God removed humanity’s inheritance and gave people over to their own desires. Still, in His love He selected a Godly line Genesis 12:1-3 to be His witnesses to the world (they failed miserably) and ultimately to be the line in which Jesus who would ultimately restore would come through. The master of the people God disinherited became Satan and his principalities. While this was destroyed and everyone has been purchased, inherited, bought back, redeemed, ect…through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, Satan and the principalities have not let go or forgotten when people worshipped them as gods and still plague the areas fighting for a return of the old idolatry, human sacrifice, and mass possession. They constantly create new tactics that work with the times, but the shadow of times past is a dead horse they continuously try to resurrect. 4. Free will love is not love if it is not chosen. 1 Corinthians 10:23 We obey God out of love, and as we’ve seen above, sin has deadly consequences even when we in our feebleness attempt to call it “small”. The more obvious would be how sun has very real consequences like people dumping chemicals into water sources making a group of people sick, someone stealing everything someone owns, a person getting liver failure from drinking, wars, murder, government control ect…are consequences of free will and that free will can hurt many others not just the immediate sinner. Sun is chaotic and messy and destructive. 5. God can use it. This is not really a reason for why bad things happen, but one for why God may allow a particular tragedy rather than stepping in when He in His sovereignty sometimes does. For instance, my dad’s first wife died of cancer and they prayed for her healing but it did not come. My father and his first wife had prayed for others in the past and because they asked and God in His sovereignty (I repeat) chose to heal them, they recovered. In this instance, my dad’s first wife suffered and went home to be with the Lord. God used this tragedy (not that He struck her to die for a greater purpose, but out of the yuck of this world, He can turn things around for the better of the Kingdom, and sometimes in this life for our blessing. This doesn’t mean that a person will find meaning in every tragedy, but we can praise the Lord for instances that He uses for His glory in this life. God’s perspective is that this world is “but a vapor. Here one moment and gone the next” so He is extremely eternity minded and places that above the comfort and material happiness in this life (James 4:14 Psalm 144:4)

Hello there! The word translated evil in this passage can be used of evil but also of calamity or punishment. The context suggest this is what the text means; God can bring good times and He can bring punishment and hard times. That´s why most translations do not translate it as evil, not because it´s not a possible translations for the word, but that it doesn´t fit the context.

@@thomasfryxelius5526 Hmmm if you are willing to do this with this verse where the language is so very clear, how can anybody trust what any other verse means, like the one that says “all” have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. can we trust “all” is that the right word? What about “in the beginning God “created” the heavens and the earth”? Does created actually mean created? What about in Romans when God says he is in charge of “all”the Government’s? Does that not mean “all” either? What other words don’t mean what they say in the Bible please point them out.

@@thomasfryxelius5526 and where are the sermons that say the KJV is wrong about this verse or what the right translation of the Bible is

@@CalvinR90 What the Bible says is determined by what is said in the original texts. In this case hebrew. So if you look at different translations and they translate differently, you know there are some legitimate options there, and you can usually determine who is correct by looking at the context of the passage. But another important rule is to not determine important doctrines or beliefs on only one text, especially not if it is disputed how it´s supposed to be translated.

@@CalvinR90 If you look up the passage in an interlinear Bible online, you can search this term and find the different possible ways it can be translated, and then you look at the whole passage and figure out which one fits the context; is God talking about creating moral evil or is He talking about bringing calamity (bad times) on people that sin as punishment. Since calamity is what is in view we can determine that the KJV probably made a mistake.

Great ideas, thanks!

Eternal punishment makes sense if the punishment is permanent e.g. eternal death. Eternal punishment is not just, however, if the sinner is permitted to exist for eternity, because by default sin would continue for eternity. A just God may delay or defer punishment, but a just God cannot allow sin to exist forever especially if this deity is effectively perpetuating sin due to the punishment. Modern jails are hotbeds of violence and iniquity because of our imperfect system of justice. If God cannot END sin, then despite whatever punishment he imposes, he's powerless or not perfectly just. The only way to end sin is by transforming sinners or, if they cling to their sin, the permanent annihilation of the sinner.

An amazing insight on an even more intricate issue... Thank you!

I also struggle with Hell as an eternal place. I believe in it in the same way I believe that people who commit crimes deserve prison. I don't have a naive stance on heaven in that it is deserving, and everyone is there. That said, it is the forever and ever that disturbs me. I still am a believer, but I understand what you are talking about. I'm sure there are others who have the same struggles. Atheists claim not to believe in God, and there are some who would not want God in their lives if you did your best to convince them. A good question to ask: Why would you want God in the afterlife if you don't want God in this present time in the world? What about those who never had a chance to hear about Jesus? I cannot believe that all those people are eternally damned (not every one of them). It's a tough topic, for sure.

@@deeanderson4164 Bless you Dee. I feel for you. The concept of hell is like a growing cancer that will eat away at your relationship with God. Question everything you've been taught about hell! Research the original Greek words and see them in their historical context. There is a very good biblical case for Universal Reconciliation. That the Father of Love really is as good as Jesus taught.

Nobody goes to hell for being an atheist, or non believer. Contrary to what many so called Christians believe, you will be judged on the good and the bad you have done in your life

@@deeanderson4164 And that's why the idea of hell was created in the image of capital punishment.

@@aussierob7177 Okay, hold on. So an atheist doesn't believe in God. Why would someone who continually denies the wonderful gifts in this world, a world sustainable to our lives, be someone who would be honored to be in God's presence? If someone doesn't want God right now, what do you think heaven is? It is being in the presence of God, with all the full benefits of eternal existence.

This answer was like 1/5 answered. Yes, God can use evil, but He doesn’t allow evil so that He can use it. If you’re still interested in a more complete answer, I’m willing to give one as I grappled with this for a long time.

@@chaynaemslie3957 We are told by Christians that God is all loving and at the same time all powerful. This is a huge oxymoron if the Christian God really exists given that there is immense suffering in the world. _'If you’re still interested in a more complete answer, I’m willing to give one'_ Yes, I am interested. I look forward to your reply my friend.

@johnhammond6423 I see five reasons 1. Genesis 3 and the curse when sin entered the world, so did death, destruction, sickness, natural disasters, pain of childbirth, weeds, carnivores animals ect… God’s perfect creation was marred by sin chosen by Adam and Eve and the curse is generationally passed down and the earth is unbalanced. God immediately setup a sacrificial system of redemption to restore His relationship with His creation which is why Adam and Eve are in Heaven today. 2. We have an enemy 1 Peter 5:8 the devil walks around like a roaring Lion seeking whom he may devour. We see in Luke 13 Jesus is on a boat and rebukes (the word rebuke is only used for demonic activity) a storm. Evil spirits are capable (but limited) in causing storms and death (they were attempting to kill Jesus and His followers on the boat. If they were unable to cause death, they wouldn’t have bothered to try). There is a boy who has seizures and is demon possessed and Jesus casts the demons out healing him. Demons to an unknown degree can cause health or mental issues. Don’t hear what I’m not saying. I am not saying that all sickness or mental illness is demonic, but some of it can be, or maybe even exacerbated by the demonic. Satan repeatedly causes decision, hate, encourages people to sin, murder, lie, steal, destroy. Why doesn’t God stop him right NOW? Tough question. He will, but throughout the Bible we see God making comments like “their sin is not yet complete” one example found in Genesis 15:16. I’ll sum this up as briefly as I can. God gives as many chances and opportunities for repentance as possible. Only He knows when there is no more hope and He comes in full of wrath. He even leaves His people the Israelites suffering in slavery for 430 years while He waited for as many Egyptians to turn their hearts as possible. God even sends plagues that essentially “defeat” all the main gods of Israel to prove Himself over their false gods. He even hardens the heart of the pharaoh and allows a death angel to destroy the firstborn sons (those under the age of accountability would go to paradise and those who were evil went to Hell. This seems cruel, but since their sin was at this point complete, if He let them go on, every single one of them would grow up to live a Godless life and go to Hell in the end because of it. If you could interview these dead children, they would likely point to God’s love in taking their earthly lives because of the everlasting life they would have otherwise not known. This argument is designed for this context and is not to be used for children dying today or even in the very next chapter). Matthew 6:24 shows that you either serve God, or the alternative is you choose Satan. Satan’s sun is not complete yet because we have the option of serving him and asserting ourselves and our desires upon God’s throne, or having God as our Lord. God promises to punish Satan and his evil spirits. 3. God disinherited mankind at the Tower of Babel Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Deuteronomy 4:19-20 because of the evil in the Garden of Eden, then the time of Noah, and now this, God removed humanity’s inheritance and gave people over to their own desires. Still, in His love He selected a Godly line Genesis 12:1-3 to be His witnesses to the world (they failed miserably) and ultimately to be the line in which Jesus who would ultimately restore would come through. The master of the people God disinherited became Satan and his principalities. While this was destroyed and everyone has been purchased, inherited, bought back, redeemed, ect…through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, Satan and the principalities have not let go or forgotten when people worshipped them as gods and still plague the areas fighting for a return of the old idolatry, human sacrifice, and mass possession. They constantly create new tactics that work with the times, but the shadow of times past is a dead horse they continuously try to resurrect. 4. Free will love is not love if it is not chosen. 1 Corinthians 10:23 We obey God out of love, and as we’ve seen above, sin has deadly consequences even when we in our feebleness attempt to call it “small”. The more obvious would be how sun has very real consequences like people dumping chemicals into water sources making a group of people sick, someone stealing everything someone owns, a person getting liver failure from drinking, wars, murder, government control ect…are consequences of free will and that free will can hurt many others not just the immediate sinner. Sun is chaotic and messy and destructive. 5. God can use it. This is not really a reason for why bad things happen, but one for why God may allow a particular tragedy rather than stepping in when He in His sovereignty sometimes does. For instance, my dad’s first wife died of cancer and they prayed for her healing but it did not come. My father and his first wife had prayed for others in the past and because they asked and God in His sovereignty (I repeat) chose to heal them, they recovered. In this instance, my dad’s first wife suffered and went home to be with the Lord. God used this tragedy (not that He struck her to die for a greater purpose, but out of the yuck of this world, He can turn things around for the better of the Kingdom, and sometimes in this life for our blessing. This doesn’t mean that a person will find meaning in every tragedy, but we can praise the Lord for instances that He uses for His glory in this life. God’s perspective is that this world is “but a vapor. Here one moment and gone the next” so He is extremely eternity minded and places that above the comfort and material happiness in this life (James 4:14 Psalm 144:4)

Jesus also consistently describes the relationship between us and god as slavery. I don’t see how that translates into love either way. “Leave me and I’ll end you,” is something abusers do.

Spot on 🙌

How come so so many "Believers" get this wrong then? Just bad theology all around I guess.

@@wheat3226So many believers get this wrong because clearly the Holy Spirit is not doing his job.

I totally agree that eternal conscious torment in hell is a doctrine that makes God an absolute monster. But good luck finding a paid minister or teacher who states this obvious conclusion.

@@Egordo-bm6ye , there aren't enough of us, but I am one "paid minister" who teaches the biblical truth of annihilationism. Join me in praying that God will raise up many more!

Something repeated by every other cult that Christianity appropriated resurrection myth from. If you rely on magical thinking for your moral perspective, you've lost the value (or the salt, if you will) of the value of the myth.

In heaven there is no sin.... so by your statement, do you no longer have free will? Or if you were stripped of all temptation... are you still you?

how can anyone "give you" free will? if it's not yours in the first place it's not free. and how can i have free will when i'm living in gods creation, under gods laws of physics inside a body designed by god, under gods commandments? that's just silly.

Yahweh has not the possibility and capability to choose evil. Therefore Yahweh has no free will. Who designed the will of Yahweh? God and Yahweh are different beings.

@@morlewen7218 the more important question is if god has free will and always does the good, why can't humans? it's a plot hole in the fiction of religion.

@@Jasminestealth1 Why not? We are children of Adam and Eve. They chose to obey the words of the once beautiful serpent. Most people, because of their deceptive and wicked hearts, Jeremiah 17:9, choose the same. They truly despise God and want to throw God off of His glorious throne! Such hatred should be rewarded? Such pride should be ignored? Jesus paid the price for our sins. He accomished his decease. He shed His sin washing blood to give us His righteousness. "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. " "But no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident for, The just shall live by faith." Galatians 3:10-11. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree." Galatians 3:13. He literally gave His life for us. We will have sinless redeemed bodies in heaven. Because wecwill not have the struggle with sin, does that mean we do not have free will.

That, and I never found the idea of a "fallen world" to be a good explanation for evil in nature and the world. Like, sorry, but eating a fruit did not restructure the universe to be evil, that was God's doing. He knew it would happen when he created the fruit and he willed it to happen after it was eaten. It's just another aspect of the misanthropic nihilistic side of Christianity. It literally blames every single bad thing on what it describes as the disgusting, vile nature of human beings. It teaches us that humans are genuinely incapable of doing good without the grace of God. How valueless it makes humans seem. No wonder it, as a religion, rejoices in death and agony being inflicted on its followers.

Things that are called evil are the things are harmful for the body and the mind

What??

You missunderstand what sin/evil is. Sin is doing anything that is contrary to God. God essentially said I want a creation to choose me because love cannot be forced, and sin is established by necessity that if the only choice is God's desires then we have no choice, and if their is a choice then that choice has to be against God which is sin.

Along with what the last comment shared, your comment shows a misunderstanding of what evil is. It isn’t an arbitrary choice by the Creator. Good is that which is in harmony with God’s nature and character. As one example, as the Creator of all things and the source of life, human actions that support and encourage life are good because they are in harmony with His character. To the contrary, human actions that support and encourage death are evil.

Or possibly the myth doesn't suffice to answer the question. The mistake was taking the deity of folks who wanted vengeance seriously as metaphysics and not metaphor (where it does have value). The point is that religion doesn't answer the question of why there is evil, nor are attempts to making a deity the super-combination of anything percieved to be good. It's a relatively childish and monochromatic way of looking at the world and why it tends to appeal to less educated folks who haven't seen a lot of diverse perspectives in their lives. The "God" myth should welcome the actual existence of other perspectives as the God of the cult is no God at all, is it?

Don't forget about the part where we are supposed to shame people for having that natural cycle that God apparently gave them in the first place. (Leviticus 15) I guess that's more important than freeing people from slavery because the Bible spends way more time on this than on explicitly forbidding owning people.

nope, still all stories.

no

Not really, though apologists love to vaguely say that he is "self-evident" so I guess they don't need proof

Double Dumb Apologetics: Atheism can not explain _________. Meanwhile, our explanation is that "god has his reasons that we don't know." LOL

If Atheism cannot explain evil, and doesn't even attempt to do so, than why should I consider becoming an atheist, if what I am looking for is a deeper meaning in life? Atheists have done nothing but try to destroy religion for centuries without even considering any possible alternatives to religion for those looking to live better, more meaningful lives.

If Atheism cannot explain evil, and doesn't even attempt to do so, than why should I consider becoming an atheist, if what I am looking for is a deeper meaning in life? Atheists have done nothing but try to destroy religion for centuries without even considering any possible alternatives to religion for those looking to live better, more meaningful lives.

@@legodavid9260 Nobody is asking you to consider becoming an atheist. Atheism is simply the position that no god claim has met its burden of proof. If you are looking for “deeper meaning of life”, God did it has no explanatory power. First you are assuming there is a deeper meaning. However, replacing one mystery, what is the meaning, with a bigger mystery, God, makes no sense. Atheism is not trying to destroy religion. Atheism holds religions feet to flames of critical thinking and find it severely lacking. My life has hope, meaning and purpose without the need for a religious comfort blanket.

What I find interesting that people who call themselves atheist or so interested in what this channel has to say or obsessed with Christianity. If u are an atheist just go about your day... Or perhaps you do think and worry about being wrong and spending an eternity in hell

Hell is not a physical place of torture. Hell is the absence of God. If you don't genuinely love God, than God won't force you into his kingdom. As C.S Lewis once said, the gates of hell are locked from the inside.

And unconditionally! On the condition that you worship him without question of course.

@@legodavid9260 Just bald assertions without ANY EVIDENCE. PS: When the MUSLIM/HINDU GOD sends you to his HELL, you'll be wailing and gnashing and burning forever. LOL

@@legodavid9260 Revelation state that they will be tormented in the lake of fire in the PRESENCE of the Lamb and the holy angels. That;s the exact opposite of separation by definition.

hambam etc: "... things ... we will never understand fully ..." - This is called an argument from personal incredulity. Just because you do not understand something does not mean you are entitled to invent an answer that appeals to you.

Or the myth exists to offer a metaphor, and relying on that myth actually detracts from us to understand what good and evil are. To some extent, religion is the only perspective that will get otherwise good people to do evil things in the name of "good". Barbaric.

because he didn't exist before the religion that Jesus was a part of. Nor existed in the areas of the world (ie 99 pct of it) that didn't hear of the itinerant preacher. the reason the West heard about him is Rome.

maybe cos he isn't real. just a thought. odd that religion only appeared about 50,000 years ago, and humans appeared up to 5 million years ago, amazing how we got by with no commandments or no clue about morality eh, almost like we already had these things innately, almost as if it's evolutionary....

All people knew that the Messiah was going to come. Since everyone came from Adam and Eve, the first mention of the Messiah was when they sinned (Genesis 3:15). Every people group and nation had very old stories about the creation of the earth, the fall of man when they sinned, the flood, and the tower of Babel. Even the Native Americans have similar legends. So the way for these people to get salvation, they had to believe that they were sinners and that their hope is for God to send someone (Himself) to take away their sin. "Christianity" or even a better way of saying it, "Christ" didnt start at Jesus, the prophecy for Him to come and die on the cross for all mankind started when man first sinned.

@@soniczoom7946 Well, to be fair, the oral tradition that generated the stories in Genesis that were metaphorical suggested that. Right? You rightly (as others have exhaustively in history) pointed out the commonality and appropriation of myth on other myths. Instead of speaking about the myth as if it has coherence like you suggest that represented a chain that had an A vs B, the better way to see it is that most religions have genesis stories, salvation stories and hero stories and end of the world stories. There is no need for the story if there are no stakes. The story itself shouldn't be conflated on the usage of religion to keep people from incorporating diverse analyses to, in a sense, grow up from the Genesis myth (garden of eden) to more complex, adult conception. What then is to be derived from myth? What ACTUALLY saves us? Things like the Golden Rule? Perhaps.

@@soniczoom7946 I didn't know it before a priest told me.

they just make up stuff that sounds good, this gropius guy has been talking nonsense about science and evolution and even his own religion. no one has ANY idea what god, heaven or even jesus is like.

@@HarryNicNicholas it brought u here. If u are an atheist why are you concerned/interested in watching this channel?

Because the scripture actually says there is a hell where sinners will be for all eternity

@@psynurse Where does scripture actually say that an infinitely perfect being requires an infinite punishment for sin? Besides, have you ever thought that scripture might be wrong?

Darwinism itself isn’t science as much as Christianity isn’t. It’s just a theory, not proven.

@@rhyskenshin7325 People still don't understand what "scientific theory" means and how it's not the same as the word "theory" found in a common use dictionary? I'm sure even Sean would tell you that you should stop using creationist arguments that were outdated 50 years ago.

@@Iverath ok. Then do you think can you tell me what makes it different?

@@rhyskenshin7325 Just google it. No offense, but you've not even begun to understand these things, and I'm not inclined to help you understand science.

Good point. But more importantly Adam and Eve couldn't have sinned when eating it. If the knowledge of right and wrong came AFTER they ate from the tree then they had no idea that what they were doing was wrong!

I agree, an atheist does not need to bend over backwards to give an excuse as to why evil is meaningful. An atheist can just say that evil is wrong and choose to fight it. It is the theist who tries to rationalize evil and say that what we think are evil (abuse, murder, slavery, racism, etc) are actually good things that are part of a bigger plan.

No, they’re not all in Hell. The Bible mentions a bunch of Old Testament poisoned in Heaven by name. Jesus’s death and resurrection didn’t fit the first time make it so people could go to Heaven, it made it a once and for all sacrifice where as before relationship with God was severed from a believer until an animal sacrifice took place. They would put their hand on the animal, confess their sin and kill it in its place. The next obvious question is “what would happen if they died before they were able to make a sacrifice but they believed?” The first king of Israel, Saul of Benjamin never sacrificed for his sin at the end and never repented in this manor, but the prophet Samuel says “tomorrow you and your sons will be with me in paradise” even back then, God was about faith. There are several other questions that might arise from this answer, and I’m willing to answer them but didn’t want to drone on forever.

all of religion is opinion.

@@HarryNicNicholas Isn't it weird that they say things with this confidence?

1) How can a loving God allow so much evil.... original sin, man chose to follow Satan 2) How can a loving God send someone to hell... original sin, all men are born spiritually dead in Satan's Kingdom 3) Why is God hidden.... He is not hidden to His saints 4) What about those who never heard of God... they are the same as #2 5) Why so much abuse in churches... unsaved "tares", sown by Satan infiltrate the church 6) Is the cross child abuse... what a retarded question. The Cross was Atonement for His sheep 7) Is Christianity racist... No, God saves Jews and Gentiles 8) Is Christianity homophobic... No, the wages of sin is death 9) Is Christianity at war with science... no, science wars against the Truth 10) Is Christianity sexist... no, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of man

37:18 He puts it perfectly here. Basically, if his presuppositions and reality don't match, it's because reality is obviously not working right that day.

If there is a scientific proof, then why we need to believe? Perhaps it is more a believe that there is scientific proof.

There is no scientific way of proving how the universe came about. People can theorize on to potential ways it happened, but ultimately none of them can be definitely proven. That leaves you with three options: A. You just accept whatever secular theory is popular at the moment, even though said theory might be replaced by a newer one in light of new discoveries. B. You just simply admit that you don't know and don't adopt any particular stance. If this was the case, than you should be open to considering both scientific and religious explanations, without antagonizing either of them. C. You accept God as the source behind the universe and everything in it, as recorded in the Bible, which has stayed the same for millennia. I don't know about you, but if you think about it this way, the third option doesn't seem so bad.

@@legodavid9260 I'd choose option A over C any day. The current secular theory is the closest we have gotten to the actual truth as it's based on scientific evidence, with each change bringing us closer to the real answer. It certainly seems more plausible than the uninformed conjecture of bronze age desert dwellers.

@@shuabshungne8043 Can you present a fact that you don't believe in?

Or more specifically, how can a hood God ordain evil?

Thanks for sharing!

Wow

We aren’t “stealing” anything from God. Your analogy is eternally flawed for not understanding what it means for God to be Holy and Just. Sin separates us from God. We all Sin. God must punish sin. God made a way for our penalty for sin to be paid. We just need to accept it and trust Him. Someone(Jesus) paid your penalty. It was not a light punishment. You could never pay it. He did so you can live. You go to hell because you essentially will be choosing it by rejecting the gift of salvation that God has provided because besides being Holy and Just, God is also Good and God is also Love. The Cross is the only place where God’s infinite justice and God’s infinite mercy, on the surface being two seemingly incompatible qualities, are shown in amazing harmony for our benefit and His Glory.

@@bartjo1 You are right than we do not steal anything from this god, because an omni-god can not be stolen from, and he would by definition not even lose anything if we did. One of the many reasons why i consider this god to be an impossibility, from a logical point of view. I do understand what it means to be "holy and just for god", it is another one of those silly contradictions that tells me that christianity can not even be possible, logically speaking. Everything you say is just pure speculation and most of it is contradictory. "Sin separates us from god", but sin itself was invented and created by god. "We all sin", because God specifically wants us to. "God must..." the must part is already where your argument fails, a being that is infinite in might does not have any "musts" at all. Everything else you write after that is a total contradiction with the premisse of God being an omni-being. A being for which you have not actually presented any good evidence, by the way. Neither have you demonstrated that hell exists. Your entire mythology is so contradictory that even Velma can be considered a better written story. Do you really think you will convince a non-believer with that nonsense?

@@bartjo1 "god is also love" is the most ridiculous contradiction of all. A being that "is love" would not create hell, would not create sin, would not create a satan, etc. Your god is the antithesis of love. I have studied the bible, and found that this god is a narcissistic jealous and wrathful bully full of insecurities who condones slavery, commands torture, rape and genocides and has no love to offer, only fear and domination. Maybe that's your kink, but it is not mine.

@@pelgrim8640 yet, you believe everything in the universe came from nothing. The greatest contradiction of all time. Here is what I know. 1. Jesus was/is real and existed 2000 years ago 2. He preached a message of repentance and of the Kingdom Of God 3. He was tortured and crucified under Pontius Pilate. 4. His followers, who all went into hiding for fear of their lives, emerged boldly shortly after Jesus’ death proclaiming that He had risen from the dead. 5. They did this in the face of persecution and death, not for power, influence, or money. These are undisputed facts of history. Secular atheists even agree with all these facts. Also, I nor anyone else can make you believe anything. God said if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. Only He can draw you near. History is littered with men and women like you who staunchly denied Him, yet found Him. I can’t convince you of anything, but know I was once just like you. Thinking my arguments were rock solid and that there was no way any god existed. Boy was I wrong. I’ll pray that He makes Himself known to you. The greatest thing that ever happened to me was meeting Him. Shalom, friend!

Thanks. I haven’t seen that but appreciate the heads up.

I know. These stuffy men sit there rationalizing why it’s ok for most people to be tortured. And that’s supposed to be reassuring? And then consider all the people who will be blissful in heaven despite knowing some of their friends and family are being tortured, because god has “cleansed” them of such concerns. The whole thing sounds like a psychopath theater production. This is why non-Christians just wish you’d leave the rest of us alone.

I agree with you. The more you honestly think about it it, the worse and worse you realize the doctrine of Hell is.