SO while any one real-world table (usually) beats the vpin version, the gap is getting narrower and narrower - but will is it actually better? Let me know!
@tshock22 Жыл бұрын
Even with real ones you have the issue of wear and tear negatively affecting gameplay. Virtual pinball machines never have those little malfunctions that keep you from advancing in the game. So, you should even caveat that statement with "well maintained real-world table"
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
tshock, that's exactly right. It's shocking just how messed up the pinballs get after a while. Playfield wear, rubbers wearing out, lights burning out, mechanics breaking - pinball machines are shockingly complicated machines. There's a fun vpin called "CarToons" that's supposed to be a beat EM pin found in a barn that reminds you just how jacked up a pinball machine can get (super fun game)
@jacooosthuizen3593 Жыл бұрын
Also you should have noted you can play in VR and with my G2 HP vr headset at 1.33super sampling it looks crystal clear like the real table!
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I have yet to try out VR mode - it's already addictive enough as it is!
@tshock22 Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment VR VPX is amazing in an entirely different way. The 'height' of the tables that disappears on the flat screens is back. However, the cab controls and force feedback aren't there. One thing i'm going to try eventually is to use my virtual pinball cab as the controller to my VR VPX setup. In other words, I stand in front of the cab while wearing my VR headset. I would use the flipper buttons, feel the force feedback and have the real nudge detection working. I think that could create a really immersive experience. The one downside to that is launching/configuration. I believe it would need a standalone VPX that would need to be isolated from the cab-config'd instance.
@AlphaGator910 ай бұрын
With virtual pinball, i will never hear that CRACK of the metal ball cracking into the glass... but, i am going to go virtual soon. Thank you.
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
Hey thanks! And no, no crack of the ball against the "glass", not yet anyway....
@mistermixer6667 ай бұрын
firepower table has feature that you hear a jumping ball hitting the glass@@evilgeniusentertainment
@theguy31126 ай бұрын
You are not going to believe me, but some tables do it. The Deadly Weapon Gottlieb VPX makes the crack the glass sound sometimes when hitting the center drop targets just like the real table.
@AlphaGator96 ай бұрын
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@vender3516Ай бұрын
There's is a Vp that actually have the sound effrct of the ball hitting the Virtual glass ..
@lordsangone7 ай бұрын
Zen/Fx Pinball on my Playstation brought me back to the world of pinball again. Its amazing how much fun it is and how many different games you can play for such a low price. I just saw the new virtual pinball cabinets and they are absolutely impressive. At this rate, digital pinball is only getting better and its making pinball fun again. Perhaps one day, the digital pinball can be just as good if not better. Lookin forward to the evolution and optimization of digital games for everyday consumers. We will be able to play every game that existed and new ones as well. Exciting times indeed. Keep rockin it steady all yall pinball wizards.
@evilgeniusentertainment7 ай бұрын
In many ways, vpin is still in its infancy. Still so much left, including using multiple screens using OLED T technology. Glasses-less 3D, VR, even better sound, 200 hrz refresh rate - so many possibilities. Real pinball will always have its place, but for the vast majority of people, vpin is the future.
@bluetarantulaproductions6179 Жыл бұрын
My family and I used to have two pinball machines when I was about 10 years old that we bought from some friends who weren't using them anymore. We had "Triple Strike" by Williams and "Flash Gordon" by Bally. I know how much matenance, money and passion it takes to keep a pinball machine working correctly, considering I helped my dad replace/repair parts of these machines when they weren't working correctly. These day's I play virtual pinball on my Switch, PS4 and PSP through different applications and games. I'm excited for next month for the Yegpin Pinball Expo here in Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada. I'm going to drink some beer, play some games and buy some merch (hopefully).
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
There's a fantastic VPX version of FLASH GORDON with the songs from the movie - one of the best tables going. So fun. Speaking of that, I hope you have a great time at the expo - thanks for sharing!
@Rawd12311 ай бұрын
I grew up with a Triple Strike, and authored the VPX version. Check it out! :) I also live in Sherwood Park.. haha.
@PinStratsDan Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a nice overview. I live in a country where I have little access to real tables. I'm also not financially able to by my own cabinet, so I just play pinball in desktop mode. I moved over to VPX about two years ago after playing Pinball FX/2/3 for years. I soon discovered that you have developers such as VPW, Bord, UnclePaulie etc. that are pushing the envelope regarding realistic playing (nfozzy flipper physics, rothbauerw targets etc.), looking (Blender rendering) and sounding (Fleep mechanical sounds) recreations and originals. The new recreations are build up from scratch from scanned in playfields with exact dimensions, and that makes a world of difference in terms of realistic gameplay... if the physics is implemented correctely. You can't even compare the latest VPX tables (such as Last Action Hero, Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast and Bloold Machines) to those from two years ago before those advances. It is comparing simulation to arcade (including what Zen studio is now doing with Pinball FX). I only play the latest tables, and there are at least 50, if not 100 already. As you say, the sky is the limit, but Visual Pinball has never been in a stronger position.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Great post! And you're 100% right - the strides being made in the past couple of years (heck, even the past few months) is really closing the gap between the two. Just the advancement in how the plastic parts of a pin look are amazing. Great new titles almost every week now.... thanks for posting Dan!
@videogamesruinedmylife37692 ай бұрын
Stern should create and sell their own virtual pinball simulations based on their games like what they did when they partnered with farsight to create ghostbusters for the pinball arcade. I am pretty sure it wouldn't affect the sales of real hardware as they tend to be pieces of art and priceless treasures as time goes by. thumbs up for that street fighter 2 in the background. I used to have that table and loved it
@the_jazmin26 күн бұрын
If stern had a line of vpin machines, they’d make BANK. The brand recognition is there, they have parts from their real machines like rails and plungers, they’d be far cheaper, and if they had multiple models to choose from, there would be something for everyone. I don’t have the space or the money for a real machine, but if Stern made a 3/4 or even 1/2 sized vpin, I’d be all over it.
@joakimkarlsson4274 Жыл бұрын
I have own real pinball machines few years ago, attack from mars LE. Ghostbusters, a jersey jack pirates of Caribbean, and a premium Munsters. Sold them because as you say, after a while you get tired of it. At least I did. So I bought a Chinese vp. It sucked. Laggy and really bad, not even close to a real pinball machine. So after a year or two I started to look for the best vp on the planet. So now I have ordered one. And few more things to mention , is the arcade games you can play on a vp, my machine will have over 17.000 arcade games on it. Plus you can also use your vp as a jukebox if you install it. But for me was space the biggest reason I changed real to vp. Got teenagers , and they need more and more space. So vp is my only choice right night now.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Great point about being about to play "normal" video games too! Variety is a massive advantage, and the vpin games are getting better, almost on a daily basis! I mean nearly every week now there are one or two (sometimes more) games which are better then the last version. And if you have limited space (which I'd say is a lot of people), then vpin is really the only choice. Thanks for posting!
@Mmrrn210 ай бұрын
I was with you until you said vpinball would replace physical. Nope. Maybe for you! One of the main attractions about pinball to people nowadays is the chance to get away from a screen and interact with the physical world.
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
You're assuming that there will continue to be physical pinball manufacturers in the future. Remember that a single title from back in the day has more units made than all pins combined now. Real pin is, of course, better. But that's a bit like saying a Rolls Royce is better than a Kia.
@lorenmorgan1931Ай бұрын
It totally will. SSF and 3d screen and VPX becomes insanely real. Try turning the anaglyph mode on in the new builds of vpx 10.8 and put on some red and blue glasses, and you are looking into the table like it's real in front of you. Also 3d display technology is finally here with two companies including Acer putting out 240hz 27in glassesless 4k 3d monitors. Supposedly 32" ones are coming. Once that tech is there, digital pinball will start to legit replace real machines.
@radgybenno11 ай бұрын
I'm quite happy to get my pinball fix on my little old ps4 .
@jamesayers6054 ай бұрын
I play virtual pinball games on my Nintendo Switch! But i do miss playing pinball in a arcade!
@andyb6120 Жыл бұрын
Loving the infinity mirror not seen that done before on a pinball cabinet
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
What's good about it is that even if the unit if off/battery is dead, it still reflects the game. Hey, for $5, why not?
@sverrirgeorgsson1248 Жыл бұрын
I really like your virtual pinball series! How about an overview/tutorial regarding the software side of things. Would be super helpful! Thanks
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Funny you mention that b/c I just had a couple of "breakthroughs" myself in terms of learning how to manipulate the tables in VPX and Future Pinball. I'll be knocking out a couple more in the series next week (with luck).
@shanjamman775510 ай бұрын
thats wild ngl, the real pin ball is where its at it feels so nice
@thechampagneroom1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Vpin is crazy good right now. Most anything can be done
@joshuazhao Жыл бұрын
I can think of a couple advantages 1. Someone made a vp table based on 3D Pinball, or better known as Space Cadet. If you want a modernized experience of this classic Windows game, vp can achieve that now. 2. a lot of Hyperspin drives, meant for custom arcade builds, have vp tables included, with how small a computer can be now (see GPD Win 4, or GPD Win Max 2023), one can build a personal and portable arcade cabinet that doubles as a vp setup, and you can play a vp table in no time while bored on a plane, or pretty much anywhere. This is of course, for people who don't care about building a proper setup like yours shown in the video. Or they can just play the vp table right on their device like the Win 4, which is a pocket sized fully functional Windows PC (Linux can be installed) 3. Also, if we can replicate the same kind of "3D without 3D glasses" effect that Nintendo did with 3DS, we can make the vp table looks like they are real pinball machine, with "real" rails and "real" flippers, that are definitely NOT real
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Great post Josh - vpin is growing/expanding at an amazing rate. For quite a while my "table" was just a monitor leaning against a wall and a tub w/buttons in it. There's builds for just about every budget, something that's def not true for "real" pinball!
@joeyjojojunior4886 Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with VP is the learning curve on the all the various software and components needed. There’s lot of tutorials out there who make it look like it’s so easy when it’s not even close to reality. Sure ALP made some of it easier but once OTG gets involved it completely brings on a whole new set of problems. For instance, the ALP arcade controller not being seen as an Xbox controller, it would make things so much easier if it did. Using Joy2key works to clone a keyboard but the flipper lag sucks even with numerous software and hardware settings. I spend more time trying to make stuff work than actually playing that I’ve put my ALP up for sale.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Agree 100% - the software side can be nightmareishly hard. As more and more companies like Steam/Zen come along, it will open up even more. For instance, I ran just steam tables for a year - still very fun. It's still more of a hobby then a game if that makes any sense, but it is getting easier.
@JesterTester Жыл бұрын
Great video brother. I can say, back in the day........way back in the day for this old guy. I was a bit of a pinball snob. When i first was exposed to V Pins, I hate to say i turned my nose up to it. Since then, my attitude toward V Pins have changed completely. Especially, now with how great a V Pin can be set up now. With great haptics, sound and graphics. I love them now.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Jester, it's not quite the same as real, but it is very very fun. Thanks for watching brother!
@JesterTester Жыл бұрын
@Evil Genius Entertainment Yes, I agree. It's like a racing simulator. As good as they are, they still can't compare to being in the real car.
@ForeverLacey097 ай бұрын
Give me a real pinball anyday!
@evilgeniusentertainment7 ай бұрын
Well, sure if they're giving them away! But if I gotta pay for it, give me vpin.
@danidavis7912 Жыл бұрын
Great vid! Much prefer my AtGames, hands down. I did the RW pinball for years and simply got tired of moving them in and out of the house, around inside the house, upstairs, downstairs, on trucks, off trucks, pizza and beer for the helpers, ongoing maintenance, etc etc etc...I could go on.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thanks for dropping by Dani! Always good to hear from you. Far as weight goes, it's not close. That STREET FIGHTER is crazy heavy. And with vpin, you literally only need one machine, maybe 2-3 if you always have a lot of people over to your place. All that said, I still look for real pinball machine deals... which remain few and far between! Vpin isn't real, but it is super fun.
@danidavis7912 Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment You bet! And agreed!
@Fenshiro Жыл бұрын
Great video! I own both real and digital, both are great. I Agree digital is better for space and cost, however real world machines are much more satisfying to shoot.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the kind words! I agree, but b/c I only own one real pin, I usually end up playing the vpin more. And b/c I'm always adding (or removing) games, the tinkerer in me always has something to do.... but I'm still looking to add a few more real-world tables to the shack.
@Fenshiro Жыл бұрын
@Evil Genius Entertainment Ever considered a newer stern? I got into the hobby at the start of the pandemic with a fantastic new in-box Star Wars Home edition. Fast forward to today, I added two more Stern's and still no problems. Do the recommended maintenance after so many plays, and done.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
I want the home version of STAR WARS and JURASSIC PARK pretty bad. The prices went absolutely crazy during covid though and put them firmly out of my range. I've seen the STAR WARS home pin start to come back down to earth, but would have to sell my STREET FIGHTER to do so. And SF is a wonderful single pin b/c of it's setup (but has very poor flow).
@Urko20052 ай бұрын
I love my Virtual cabinet , and there are some great authors/groups of virtual tables now that are on a par with real, but i would still prefer playing a REAL PHYSICAL table whenever i can.
@emanoelmaia16398 ай бұрын
There is no comparison between VP and real machine. I only play VP in VR or 3D with a 3D TV. I can't play in 2D. Shows like PC game. There is no way to play in Anaglyph 3D in 2D TV. Real machine is only for that guys that have space and money for it. But your point of view is good. Thank you.
@evilgeniusentertainment8 ай бұрын
thanks for watching!
@marcelochagra33077 ай бұрын
Humbly, and from what I am investigating, we are experiencing a new golden age in terms of pinballs thanks to the push of virtual pinballs, and also thanks to Stern. I see that many children and adolescents are becoming very interested in this wonderful world. By the way, I also have Future Pinball and the Star Wars and Halloween machines among others; They are a dream.
@evilgeniusentertainment7 ай бұрын
Oh for sure, they are not mutually exclusive at all. Vpins help interest in the real thing and vice versa. Stern continues to make some very sweet machines (although JAWS seems to be getting some hate), but of course most will only be able to play them in an arcade. Now pinball's probably never going to see its peak, where a single cab could sell 20,000 units, but it's far from dead.
@benlogan4038Ай бұрын
We own 7 real machines. I’m terrible at fixing them. Virtual isn’t the same, but I do love the convenience and community so much
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
It's a legit issue with older machines - heck, with machines of any age. It's a different set of problems with vpin (almost all software based), but those are problems I can (usually) work through. When I look at the inside of an EM, my head starts swimming and I want to puke. Hats off to the people keeping real pinball going, but it's just beyond my ability to do.
@CAESAR_IS_GOD_mohammadisaloser7 күн бұрын
should put a gyro in it to simulate real shaking
@evilgeniusentertainment6 күн бұрын
I would, but the mysteries of DOF still confuse me!
@jacooosthuizen3593 Жыл бұрын
Yip correct, the ability to try all tables and then maybe be able to pin down which is your favorite and buy it is amazing!. Here in South Africa we have prob 1% of the whole spectre of tables in the world so its amazing to try them! Also this is one of the most satisfying hobbies i have! im currently everyday getting my new games or updating older ones and in the process of building the cabinet as computer is ready, also have my speakers & RGB and transducers ready.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
One of the coolest things is that new tables/new mods are always coming out. VP is better literally on a weekly basis.
@knightrdrx6 ай бұрын
there are some awesome ones coming out now but i'll just have to go to the arcade for those. finally one opened up on long island 20 minutes away. i'm happy with my virtuapin and i'm making updates at the moment.
@carlhohnholt3392Ай бұрын
I brought a virtual pinball machine 3 yrs ago and love it,it got 327 games on it and it sounds and feels like the real thing.
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
They really are great
@rjkuchtaАй бұрын
Can I ask what unit you bought? I'm a pinball lover but not handy enough to pull a real table apart and fix it if things go wrong. VR pinball is perfect but expensive, I'd want to do it right.
@carlhohnholt3392Ай бұрын
I brought my machine from creative arcades from California model is tr2 v-pin but there's another company that has the same but more games call ABvideoarcades
@carlhohnholt3392Ай бұрын
V-pin from creative arcades from California,paid $5,000 put hads a 3 yr warranty,but look up ABvideoarcades they have a sale now and the newer model has more games.
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
RJ - I built it myself! check out the playlist here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m62GpLCYu6fHfac.htmlfeature=shared
@madmrmax Жыл бұрын
Awesome Video! Love the comparison. Supported!
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thank you Max!
@madmrmax Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment Yup! I have three currently (Adams Family, Data East Star Wars, and Williams Indiana Jones). I love the virtual pins as well on console (Pinball FX, Pinball Arcade) and PC (Visual Pinball, Future Pinball), but I've yet to build a virtual pin myself. I started a long time ago in the pinball crave with by buying a "Tomy Astro Shooter" pinball. I recall saving up lawnmowing money to buy that.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
That's sweet! Very nice collection - if you could only have one, which would it be? Once that pinball bug gets in your bloodstream, you can never be free of it. Vpin is a nice, synthetic, substitute.
@madmrmax Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment Only one from my collection, I would take the Indiana Jones and leave the rest.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Surprising as everyone loves Adams Family so much!
@davidjohnjr2 ай бұрын
I'll maybe consider virtual when the physics are imperceptibly close to real life. It seems like they all simulate in 2D, perhaps with multiple layers of 2D to emulate 3D.
@b.o.glandscapeservicesl.l.74794 күн бұрын
Virtual pinball is better for the home , just find a place to go to play real machines … no maintenance
@evilgeniusentertainment4 күн бұрын
Yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I've come to - I have a really good pinball arcade near to me, so that helps!
@hollywoodpolo9872 Жыл бұрын
JVD your spot-on Virtual Pinball. What are your thoughts on the new Foo Fighters Tribute table out on VPU??
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thank you Hollwyood; always glad to see you in here! And I actually haven't gotten that one yet... but now I'll be looking for it!
@johnebejer Жыл бұрын
I have an Avengers Infinity Quest a James Bond a NJJ Guns and Roses and a virtual pinball and I play the virtual pinball about as much as the 3 real games put together.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
John - it's weird how that works out, isn't it? Even if vpin isn't quite the real thing, it's every bit as fun!
@Scotty_in_Ohio11 ай бұрын
I'd add another one to the list: - cost: you can get started in virtual pinball for just a few hundred dollars - sure you could find and repair a real pinball machine but (I believe) most people would be more comfortable these days with buying the necessary parts and a small form-factor PC than learning the mechanical and electronics to repair a real pinball machine. I'm well aware that nice virtual pinball setups can go well in to the thousands but even for a quality display and good components you can stay within a budget...
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
Great point - you can absolutely set one up cheap. My first "table" was clear plastic tub I cut holes in for the buttons, and I just leaned a 32" tv up on some books. Still very fun; just looked janky.
@D.J.28310 ай бұрын
My vp has real nudge, no button
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, there's still some things to add to my table....
@MrEd20901 Жыл бұрын
Dont think 1 is better than the other. I look at 1 being more accessible or suited for some. Definitely a list to consider from either side. Virtual wont replace physical, but it scratches the physical itch and with all the toys and well created tables, it does a darn good job. Need to play more vpx tables. Lol. Ive seen balls go where they shouldnt a number of times. Saw it the other day playing iron maiden. 🙃
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
The physics are getting better all the time. The newest Future Pinball games move very nicely. Almost any game from Vpin Workshop is amazing. Haven't played FX4 yet, but FX3 physics aren't bad at all. But of course, nothing beats real!
@GCJACK83 Жыл бұрын
Both have their upsides and downsides. Upside of virtual pinball is you can literally have around 50 tables occupying the footprint that one table would take up, with the downside being you lack all the tactile feel every time the flippers and bumpers hit the ball just right, even if virtual is trying to replicate that feeling now. Real tables take up a lot of space if you have multiple and it's one table per cabinet.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that pretty much nails it! Any one real world table (usually) beats the virtual version, but when you can have 50 or more banging virtual tables at the flip of a switch, real pinball starts to be less attractive. Simply put, my virtual pin gets vastly more play than any of my real pins.
@BusyAir5 ай бұрын
50 tables, literally? Try thousands.
@mooncloud65637 ай бұрын
The eye tracking will be a stupid gimmick and make it 1 player and hard to watch
@evilgeniusentertainment7 ай бұрын
Oh it would be for a single player for sure, but of course a lot of pinball is single player. I hope it becomes more of a reality as the hobby grows.
@Scotty_in_Ohio11 ай бұрын
I think I agree with this almost entirely - if you have the room and money to keep a real pinball game in your home arcade I say get one - it adds to the "credibility" to you home arcade / game room but I firmly believe that a virtual pinball setup is where most of us will spend the majority of our time. It's very close to a "real" arcade game (say Galaga, Joust, Pac-Man, etc.) vs. a 60 in one or a 412 in one. Even with original ROMs and good joysticks / controllers there's something missing in a machine that is an all-in-one....
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
As I learn more about vpin, specifically how to "tune them in" to my taste, they can become very real looking. Some tables lend themselves more naturally to vpin, and when those tables get good versions & they're tuned in, it can be borderline amazing how close they can get.
@kantidinda6218 Жыл бұрын
Totally disagree. I sold my vpins last year as real took over and they weren't getting playes. I have played $8000+ 4K vpins and I still find it doesn't compare, not even close. Now cost to me is the big big issue and I get not everyone can afford real but if you can, it's the ultimate arcade drug.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
But you can't take the cost & size out of the equation, nor the upkeep costs. New, basic, real pins cost $5000 to start. For most, the only way to play any of these tables is w/vpin. But of course you're right - real pin is the ultimate. But vpin is getting closer....
@kantidinda6218 Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment I have 4 real pinball machines. Very little cost for "upkeep" in a home use environment. My Jurassic Park is 3 years old and not one issue so far. Of course it will need repairs eventually but that's part of the hobby and I love learning, lots of resources out there. It's not for everyone obviously but if you have the means, do it I say. Pinball has such a great community and so many new machines coming. Deep code and rules keep me coming back to the same games too, don't need 1000 different games.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for stopping by! The 2 real old pins I've owned were both pretty old (GORGAR & SF); had to have the tech out for both almost immediately. Real pin simply costs more. But it's the real pinball game in my arcade that makes it a real arcade, if that makes sense. Real pinball is special. Agree about 1000 games - but having 50 really good, fun to play, vpins is - for the money - an amazing deal.
@kantidinda6218 Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment Older games are more finicky for sure and the 40+ year of play need more maintenance for sure. I had a LW3 and I had to replace a couple of switches and some cracked plastic. No doubt vpin is a great value though some of those higher end machines get pricey. The other thing with vpin is you have to be very computer savy and that to me is the hardest part. Always seem to need setting adjustments and a lot of fiddling which isn't straight forward. Set up is not fun.
@CZpersi10 ай бұрын
Digital screens are the largest innovations since the use of electric components in mechanical pinballs, but I think that the debate is not "whether this _or_ that". That is a wrong question to ask. Instead, I think that we are witnessing a birth of a new kind of machine. I would not be surprised to see more and more attempts to either merge the two (digital screens mixed with mechanical components so well that it will be hard to tell them apart during gameplay), or to use the newly opened possibilities of the digital technology for developing completely new approaches. In the end, the point is to have fun, right?
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
Great post! And I do think a true hybrid is likely the way of the future, at least for most fans of vpin. It's easy do discount vpin as not as good, but for me, "not the same" does not equal, "not as good". They're both good, both fun. Vpin is pushing pinball forward and it's bringing thousands of new people - including young people - into the hobby. what's not to love?
@1973DMAАй бұрын
you should try it in vr.... thats next level.....
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
I want to, but I'm miles away from figuring that out
@1973DMAАй бұрын
Can play native on the quest 3, but I prefer pcvr with steam (better graphics), really quite simple to set up, youtube help me out with all I needed to know, never looked back...
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
So in that setup, you don't use a cab at all, correct?
@d.j.vandermeer3832Күн бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment you can build a small cab with pinball legs, buttons, solenoids like a normal VP cab. It’s only shorter and without screens. So basically much cheaper to build. But I never experienced it and also don’t know someone where I can test it. And besides that when playing with more people it’s not nice to look at because this picture is going all over the place. Next to that wear a big unit on my head isn’t something I like. It’s like wearing a helmet all the time.
@tucobenedicto17806 ай бұрын
I'm sold! I'd like to get a Vpin within the next year. Is there a listing of games available and do we download them ourselves.
@evilgeniusentertainment6 ай бұрын
Yup, you download them from fan sites like vpinuniverse or vpforums (if you make your own machine). And of course, the AtGames ALPs have the games for download as well.
@RaZcal911 Жыл бұрын
Vpinball may have the advantage of hundreds of different tables, and it looks very close to the actual tables from certain perspectives, but Vpin can not reproduce the real physics and the subtitle nudges of a real pinball machine. But all the disadvantages are there if you are not a bit handy to take on repairs occasionally. On the plus side, there is also a great and helpful online pinball community to work you through most problems. If I was to sell my collection I would most certainly pick up a Vpin because the graphics do look good and will give you a pinball thrill.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
The simpler the real world table, at least in terms of levels, the closer the Vpin can get. A game like the new GODZILLA is huge - maybe a foot, even 18", worth of levels and toys. So that's a tough road to hoe. But a game like TERMINATOR 2, which is essentially a 1 level play field, looks absolutely fantastic. All of which gives me an idea for me next episode....
@user-yp9lb6je5i9 ай бұрын
I don’t think a gottlieb table is the best representation of a real pin ball, I personally think the Williams tables of the same era were amazing and the feel and flow when set up right can never be reproduced.
@evilgeniusentertainment9 ай бұрын
To be sure... but HAUNTED HOUSE and BLACK HOLE are great games. The pool/Clint Eastwood game is very good too. But what I'm really talking about is the quality of the reproduction and the physics more then the playability of the real world table.
@ryshask6 ай бұрын
I'm done with real pinball and the lack of maintenance most on location machines receive... It's good enough now that it's not worth dealing with the BS of a mechanical machine.
@evilgeniusentertainment6 ай бұрын
I ain't gonna lie - the fear of a serious mechanical failure was a big reason why I sold both of my real pins. You either have to have someone in you area who knows how to fix them, or the ability (and time) to fix them yourself. B/C they will break down.
@HB-mj2jz4 ай бұрын
I think they complete each other. I own three real pinball machines: The Addams Family, Lord of the Rings and a Transformer LE Combo. I have a Legends Pinball HD in a seperate room just for playing other machines. A virtual pinball machine does not compare to playing on a mechanical machine. Its a different experience. Would not get rid of my physical machines for a digital one. As i said, they can co exist but not replace.
@chrischristiansen62048 ай бұрын
I've seen a big spread of extra bells and whistles that can be added to enhance a vpin such as feed back rumble things or legit pinball flipper buttons. Which of those types of features would you prioritize for adding the most feel to the experience? I've been playing pinball fx on the pc, and would like to take a step forward in enhancing the experience once I can afford to. Maybe a half step in that direction if I can twist my main monitor to work as a main table interface. Had the chance to see that wild circus table at the pinball hall of fame in Los Vegas but not a lot of time to play it. Do you know if that has been replicated virtually? I'd like a chance to see more of it in action. Is there a good program for experiencing making a table? It would be pretty fun to get a feel for the balancing act of the element placement even if the overall program is limited. The importance of lighting became more clear to me with one of the modes on the recent pinball M. I wonder if virtual tables from old games like epic pinball, metroid prime pinball or the sonic ones would have to be emulated or recreated somehow. Or how something like that pinball board game could be incorporated somehow. I think having access to experiencing some of the offshoot stuff adds to the experience of both the physical and virtual tables.
@evilgeniusentertainment8 ай бұрын
The 2 biggest things you can do (other than having a OLED monitor and a fast pc) is having 7.1 sound and the flipper solenoids from Cleveland Software. I just got my 7.1 working, and it is a game changer. I'd go as big as you can afford in the OLED - I went with 42" but now I wish I had gone with 48-50. And there's a brand new version of CIRCUS that just dropped on VPX: vpuniverse.com/files/file/17255-circus-gottlieb-1980-w-vr-room/
@chrischristiansen62048 ай бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment Thank you for the advice. I'm going to look locally for an @games legends machine just to get a feel for the size and the feed back that it comes with to see if that would work as a base point for me or if (size permiting) a kit would be the better way to go. I'll have to do some looking to see if someone has come up with a clever space saving design like being able to fold it down to go under a bed or be wheeled into a closet when not in use. My space is currently pretty limited but I don't know if one of the smaller units would be worth spending on or if I should stick to pc until I can better accomodate a bigger one.
@Chillywilly8818Ай бұрын
I wonder how the physics translate.... My favourite digital game is harley davidson and I hit the 300 Million mark. I wonder if I'd be able to do it on a real machine (this is without using nudging) I don't have one any where in My state to find out....
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
You hit on 2 good points - one, I'd say that the vpin version of a real world table probably isn't a 1 to 1 analogue, but if you're in the zone, you're in the zone. Also, the vpin version at the very lest lets you learn the rules of the game w/o the pressure of putting money in. The other point - and this of course is the ultimate strong suit of vpin - is that you won't be able to find 95% of the tables in the real world. I've been playing pinball since the mid-70's and I'd never even heard of most of the games I have on my vpin.
@pinballrick6031 Жыл бұрын
Based on your perspective I shouldn’t take my AR-15 to the firing range because I can sit down at my computer and play Call of Duty and a hundred other shoot ‘em ups. Sure, a Vpin has hundreds of games, but the experience can’t compare to a real pin and when something wacks out on a real world machine fixing it is easier than when something wacks out on a vpin. With the myriad of software applications woven together to make Vpins work it’s surprising that they work at all. Pup packs are cool, but can be a bitch to get working right. I’ve got real machines of which the oldest is from about 1988 that I bought and restored fifteen years ago. I still play it often and enjoy it along with my other real machines. One of my favorites in my game room is my Revenge from Mars. Let’s see a Vpin emulate that. However, in addition to my real pins I also have a Vpin that was given to me because it wasn’t working. I downloaded and reinstalled everything from scratch and have hundreds of games on it - about thirty in my favorites. In my experience, it can be much more frustrating to figure out why a pup pack doesn’t work on a new game I just downloaded than it is to find and replace a blown transistor on my 35 year old real machine - (which I haven’t had to do since finishing the restore so many years ago). For people who own pinball machines, (Not the guy with the single rarely played machine sitting in the corner of his man cave.), it’s not just a game - it’s a hobby. They enjoy working on them and maintaining them. My Vpin has it’s place in my game room, but I would never give up my real machines. Vpin is fun and versatile, but the experience just isn’t the same no matter how much hardware is added to it. I liked your video, but it seemed you went out of your way to find negatives regarding real machines that weren’t really negatives and some of which really aren’t valid.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Cost, size, and need to repair are the big 3 problems getting into the hobby. Vpin provides 85-90% of gameplay, and maybe 80% of the experience. Real pinball is king - always will be - but only a tiny percentage of people will ever be able to have multiple pins (if any); and no one could own a thousand. Vpin is it's own thing too - it can do thing real world tables can't. I'd say it's more like paintball vs real guns - not the same, but still very fun. One massive positive vpin can provide is helping you figure out what tables you want in real life. Thanks for the in-depth post!
@StrikeValkyrieАй бұрын
On the subject of Virtual Pinball and how it stands versus real machines I will say what should apply to any other subject where the word 'never' is used. NEVER SAY NEVER! One day we could have HOLOGRAPHIC Virtual Pinball where the machines are indiscernible from real ones. Computers will only get more powerful and cheaper, creators more inclined to program Virtual-Only games, and players more likely to play and even compete eventually using virtual machines. The real machines cannot last forever. With certain technology the machines could be mapped and then recreated holographically and with more powerful computers the physics could be perfect. If someone says that true players never play Virtual machines I can only point to the myriad of true die hard players, many having KZfaq channels, who readily compare and compete with each other using real machines versus the virtual versions. I feel like the best games are in the past somewhere when the perfect balance was achieved and that much of the newer stuff is too generic and visual. To have perfect recreations of machines, like Gorgar, Black Knight, Pin-Bot, many of the older late seventies up into the mid to late eighties machines that will eventually be gone due to time and wear, make the future of Virtual Pinball too important to disregard! Never say never!
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
As vpin gets better and better, it may well eventually be the over-all better experience. I did a recent video talking about how transparent TVs (which are already available) could add a lot to the hobby.
@casecase62466 ай бұрын
the only advantage of virtual pinball over real pinball is a machine can imitate hundreds of pinball.
@evilgeniusentertainment6 ай бұрын
Well... there's lot's of advantages beyond that - tables that only exist in the virtual world, "souping" up real-world tables with virtual goodies and soundtracks (FLASH GORDON immediately springs to mind), better sound, better reliability, potentially smaller/bigger form factor, bigger DMDs... to name a few. And of course, that ability to play potentially thousands of tables on one machine is a giant advantage too. Real pinball is great, but so is vpin. Vpin is crazy fun... and isn't that what we're all looking to have?
@LaserSharkPhotoablations Жыл бұрын
All my mid 90s pins are accruing 5-10% per anum over the last decade im not sure i can clear a space for one.. :/
@cpace123 Жыл бұрын
Ha,Ha, I have 3 of the octagonal mirror leds on my pinball. Building my own VP. Pretty much done minus side art. I had to go with a 40" screen.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
They are sweet! Retro-future vib that fits perfect for a STAR WARS cab....
@cpace123 Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment I guess I can't count. They are hex.
@Yoda12687 ай бұрын
Saying that VP is better than the real thing is almost like saying that Virtual Sex is better then the real thing. For some, it may, but for me, it's a no go! It's a computer with a large screen, that's it. I'd rather have the REAL thing taking up that space in my room or whatever. Your maintenece comments on real machines are nominal in home use. The REAL ones were made and designed to work almost 24/7. The EM's in the real work are just like anything back then, they were built to LAST. SS machines are basically computer meets mechanical, and 9 times out of 10, the the electronics that fail before the mechanical parts. Will any of these VP machines last 50+ years? Who knows, but I doubt it. JMO.
@evilgeniusentertainment7 ай бұрын
Well of course, one-on-one, real pin wins. But a vpin in the hand is better then the real pin in the bush - the convenience and access to essentially every table ever made for a cost less a single real pin are pretty big positives.
@bensalazar7388 Жыл бұрын
I have a legends ultimate pin and 1up star wars pin. Where can I buy a full size virtual pin ready to play?
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
I have an episode on that subject coming out soon! That said, Xtreme makes a sweet cab....
@sbaldis11 ай бұрын
It's definitely good, and not something you need to spend a lot of money on, technically just hooking up a computer to a large playfield tv/monitor and smaller backglass gets you a lot of the way there. Having said that, I think it's kind of like a real pinball, you play it like crazy at first, then you play it a lot more rarely, here and there. Despite the limitless pinball tables, it never feels enough of the way there. VR pinball is probably the best, but suffers from the "I'm wearing a headset!" problems. For that reason I find it hard to recommend anyone spend $1000s of dollars on a vpin, since unlike a real pinball, the resale on virtual isn't great.
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
I'm a pinball freak, so I try to play every day, both at the arcade at lunch and at home when I can, so I'm probably an outlier, but for me it's been a great investment. I agree about re-sale value, it's nowhere neat that of real pinball, which seems to hold steady or go up in time.
@TonyStark-in8hl Жыл бұрын
Great video- I live pinball but not very techy- do you have a website recommendation or guide you followed to build yours? Thanks in advance
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Tony - thanks! I just kind of winged it - no plans or guides. That said, this was my 3rd build so I had a decent idea of how I was going to approach it. BTW I'm hoping to have the next eo in the series up sometime next week.
@BTAxis2 ай бұрын
I came to this video because I wanted to know if virtual pinball was considered inferior by real enthusiasts. Guess not! Anyway, I play in VR. It's probably the closest I'm going to get to playing real pinball.
@RichieCavsRetrocade Жыл бұрын
For certain people, yes I agree. For me, I disagree only because you could say the same thing about single game arcade cabinets versus a multicade cabinet. You could say you're gonna get bored of that one game, so get a multicade instead. But as an 80s arcade fan, I have 15 unique arcade cabinets and am not interested in a multicade because I love the uniqueness of each arcade cabinet design and ghe artwork for my favorite arcade games. They're each a piece of art. The same applies to me with pinball. I have a full-sized Haunted House, Black Knight and Xenon because I just love those as their own unique tables. I dont hate virtual pinball because I do have those as well, but those virtual pinballs will never be like those real tables.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
HAUNTED HOUSE was the game that made me a pinball devotee. If you can swing the real version, then absolutely. I hope one day to have a real deal version of it... but for now, the vpin does scratch the itch (actually played it today!). Thanks for posting!
@RichieCavsRetrocade Жыл бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment I have a Haunted House :) Also have a Black Knight and just bought a restored Xenon which gets delivered Friday. Love them old machines. I do love the virtual pins too, there's just something about the original cabs and artwork for me :)
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Rich, how reliable is HAUNTED HOUSE? One of the reasons I haven't tried to pick one up (besides initial price) is worry about upkeep - seems like there's a lot that could go wrong with HH.....
@d.j.vandermeer3832Күн бұрын
It’s the same discussion as having a CRT in an arcade. Sure fully understand the nostalgic feeling about that and overlays on a lcd is fake. But I’m blessed that the most important thing for me is gameplay and a machine that is practical. Besides that the fun to build it and maintain it.
@SimRacingDan10 ай бұрын
You ... Know that Unreal 5 is a game engine first and used for tv shows second.... Right?
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
It's a game engine for multi-million dollar budget games. Trickling down to home brew VPX tables is going to take a bit.
@BM-jy6cb8 ай бұрын
I respectfully disagree. One is a pinball machine, the other is a video game. But then I'm not a fan of post 80's pinball anyway, so I guess I'm a bit biased.
@szabolcscsengoi42312 ай бұрын
It is futureproof.
@PapaBradsGaming Жыл бұрын
Great video.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thank ya Papa!
@PC_TV_73 Жыл бұрын
I like pinball I don’t love it. I like my at games pinball with hundreds of tables and thousands of vertical games. If pinball was cheaper I would get a few but I know I’d get bored and stuck with heavy pieces of wood. Why I like 3/4 scale arcades easier to no move (I do own KI pro and it’s a pain to move). Only hobby I stayed in for 35 years is DJ’ing. Everything else comes and goes with the weather.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Well those are two great points - you will get bored with any one pin, no matter how great, and they are very big machines. Being able to have a 1000 in one solution is a pretty nice option.
@ytyndale3643 Жыл бұрын
Great video champ
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@exyuvuckoАй бұрын
I try pinball arcade whit xbox 360 camera. Like a real 3D 😊
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
I do have a 360 motion tracker.... let me try it!
@smittyt414ify11 ай бұрын
Huh, real pinball balls wear down? It’s a steel ball, it may rust but will not shrink.
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
They absolutely wear down. They become pitted, deeply scratched, rusty, yada. Several threads on just how bad old balls can be on dedicated pinball sites - which all recommend frequent balls changes.
@smittyt414ify11 ай бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment yes, rusted as I mentioned and pitted and agree on old balls should be changed out so not to damage the playfield, but no study has been done determining shrinkage.
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
Unless it's a cold morning... ;)
@smittyt414ify11 ай бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment lol, I love that answer!! You win!
@evilgeniusentertainment11 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for watching the videos - for real!
@MrCrrispy Жыл бұрын
None is better. They are different.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Short & sweet! (but also true)
@Phoenix42.0Ай бұрын
And real life pinball will always be crucial for competition because of impossibility for cheating.
@evilgeniusentertainmentАй бұрын
It's actually easier to cheat in real pinball (I've tried putting a magnet on vpin and... nothing!).
@Phoenix42.0Ай бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment Trust me with the cheating epidemic happening in FPS games, it's far easier to cheat digitally, cheats just haven't been developed yet or if they have they don't matter because there's no vcab tournaments yet. When they are used for tournaments with money, and money motivates the cheat devs it will be way easier to cheat on digital. At least with physical you can always have the machine inspected for foreign parts. and assuming you were playing against someone on the same machine they'd have to have a way to deactivate their cheat when you were up. And you could possibly detect a magnet or tilt bob cheat and ask for it to be inspected.
@wizzel22 Жыл бұрын
AtGames and Arcade1up Pinball Machines are not represantatives of Virtual Pinball. A modern PC with VPX is. Build it yourself or buy one from your not-so-local dealer. There's a reason why VPX is not for the faint of heart. It's complicated and requires avanced knowledge of software. And though i'd like it to be easier, this fact saves our hobby from more crappy Android boxes in lookalike shells...
@PinStratsDan Жыл бұрын
Android boxes are not far off with the recent advances with VPX standalone version. There are now many VPX tables that can be played on Android, Linux and Mac.
@johngannon Жыл бұрын
This comment is so far off, w Baller Installer anyone can get VPX up and running in minutes. You absolutely don't need "advanced knowledge of software" in any capacity and saying so sounds about 2-3 years out of date. Also an Atgames with a PC gives you VPX so you are also a bit off-base there as well.
@DavidBrown-bs7gg8 ай бұрын
Sure, real pinball tables require maintenance, but if well maintained hold their value. Todays virtual pinball tables will be worthless in say 5 years
@evilgeniusentertainment8 ай бұрын
Gotta disagree about being worthless. A high end vpin now will still be sweet in 5 years, it just won't be as sweet as the new pins (much like cars - they'll drop in value, but still retain some). Heck worst come to worst you can always strip a vpin out for components. In high end rigs that's 4k 120p monitors, fast PCs, and sound components which essentially remain changeless through the years. Reselling older cabs from A1up or AG you'll lose value of course - but again, much like used cars.
@jenniferaugustine61468 ай бұрын
Omg I ❤
@evilgeniusentertainment8 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@mannymets5687 Жыл бұрын
Im sorry my friend, but Virtual pinball machines require a lot more time to maintain. There is so much tweaking and software adjusting that is constantly needed to. be done with a virtual pinball machine.Things get corrupted, or fail, and unless you are extremely experienced and knowledgable regarding programming, and the countless menu driven programs that run these machines;; you will need to pay someone to help you get the thing up and running again... A real pinball machine is a lot easier to tinker with. There are tons of message boards and resources that you can look up on the internet, which will guide you to properly repairing whatever has failed on a real pinball machine. Also, the is no comparison between a real machine, and a virtual pinball machine. Although the virtual machines have improved dramatically; they will never have the same feel that a real pinball machine has. At the end of the day; you are playing a video game, and you are not manipulating a mechanical machine with a real weighted metal ball which you can slow down and speed up by simply adjusting the leg lights on the 4 legs of the machine for example.. I am sure that improvements will continue to be made here, however if you can afford it; there is nothing like a real pinball machine... Virtual pins will always crash, slow down for unknown reasons when they should not be slowing down with the new video cards, and they will continue to get more and more complicated to repair.. Most hard core pinball enthusiasts do not own a virtual pinball machine, and they never will. They avoid these things like the plague, and they always will.. Currently there are about 10 companies across the globe manufacturing pinball machines; compared to only 1 company (Stern) about 12 years ago. That number is actually increasing as well. You will soon see some big players getting into the pinball manufacturing business, because unlike other segments of the gaming industry; the pinball machine business is booming, and it has never been better. One more note regarding comparing the real pinball to virtual pinball ; real machines will not depreciate in value over time, and in fact will most likely become a very solid investment for the family, and they will most likely increase in value year after year. That is simple economics; with the growing amount of pinball hobbyists and collectors comes the thinning out of the finite inventory of classic pinball machines. Of coarse there will be new machines being produced and reproduced year after year, but the number of new pinball machine titles that are released on a yearly basis hovers around 10 -12 machines if you do not count the 2-4 different versions of each pinball title when they are released. These different versions of the game scale up in price as the higher end models include more toys,lights, feefdback variations, and more crowded playfields which make for a deeper and more involved experience while playing the machines.
@evilgeniusentertainment Жыл бұрын
Awesome post! Well, I agree to a point - diy vpins do need work, particularly if you keep adding games. But for those of us that are useless with a solder gun and electronics, it's the easier route to go. Real pinball wins of course, but the sheer variety (and fun) that vpin delivers is hard to beat.
@ChristianKrogh-Denmark8 ай бұрын
You don’t like Tesla’s either, do you? 🤷♂️
@barcodebattler25874 ай бұрын
They don't take more time to maintain really tho do they? Than real table? And you don't need to pay someone to put vpx and future pinball on your pc!😂 give nailbuster some credit😂
@Electiger-y5kАй бұрын
Saying virtual pinball is better than real is like saying playin a tennis video game is better than playing real tennis .Or like saying a robot girlfriend is better than real girlfriend .
@BennitoJuarez01Ай бұрын
The vPin community is pretty awesome. Despite the rant above, There are plenty of people that have both, and have likes and dislikes about each when comparing the two side by side. Not sure the hate on these. They are meant to be fun, economical and gives the spirit of the real thing. vPins are fairly accurate... enough so that I have improved my skills dramatically when I play real pinball machines. The average consumer does not buy expensive niche items just to have as an investment later in life. I agree with the potential for appreciation of value only for real ones. Anyone who owns a vPin can honestly agree that they are pretty much trouble free and do not require the amount of maintenance as stated above. If you plan on DIY'ing one of these, there is a steep learning curve but those who are patient with reading or watching KZfaq, its easy to follow the comprehensive guides and plans that are free online. Not sure where having to pay someone to set up idea came from, but it's just not the case for most. It's honestly not hard to backup the single folder where all tables, programs, and media are stored onto a secondary drive just in case you screw something up. You should do that prior to adding any new tables in case something goes awry anyway. It's just a matter of copying and pasting your backup back to get it back in order. Sure each table has some proccess to get them to function initally, but it's really not that difficult. Each table roms that are used are provided by the manufacturers as a download, no cost. Some of my tables have that sound of hitting the glass, balls hitting eachother, exhibits back spin, and balls getting stuck that require physical nudging like the real deal. Table level adjustments are also a thing with vPins within table to increase or decrease difficulty via settings. I do tend to be extremely selective about my table library, (not loading thousands of tables just for sake of having them). I'd prefer to keep them to ones I actually play and are quality 4K tables.
@Railoffroader2 Жыл бұрын
Not
@CasperInkyMagoo10 ай бұрын
If you’re poor, Vpins are fine.
@evilgeniusentertainment10 ай бұрын
...And even if you're not.
@CasperInkyMagoo10 ай бұрын
@@evilgeniusentertainment no. no. Only if poor.
@gavinfrancis8271 Жыл бұрын
VP is crap. Real or nothing. Started watching this video by mistake when scrolling around. Stopped watching when you said people would get bored of a machine and claiming that Street Fighter is a good pinball😆
@sverrirgeorgsson1248 Жыл бұрын
Your comment is crap, if you don't like it kindly move along to something else to your liking. Internet tough guy