How does a 130,000 mile M4 engine look inside? Evolve S55 Billet Crank Hub Fix

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5 ай бұрын

Matt bought his F82 M4 with 125,000 miles on, and has done 5000 trouble free miles (other than 2 oil top ups...)
We were curious to see what the inside of the engine was looking like after that many miles, and having only been serviced to BMWs service intervals. Combine that with the small niggle of crank hub slip (although unlikely to ever happen with the plans for the car and how I drive) it seemed a good opportunity to upgrade the Crank Hub to the Evolve 4 pin billet hub.
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@sadman6295 5 ай бұрын

It's mesmerizing to me watching a skilled technician at work. Brilliant stuff Evolve 👌👌

@THEDOPEYDAISY 5 ай бұрын

You need to start uploading every week with series like these, they are very interesting.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

That’s our plan!

@Alexcustominstall 5 ай бұрын

11/10 for the atmospheric D&B soundtrack, class. Love how you’ve chosen that, big part of my life back in the day just like BMW M cars were. We put on Scotlands first D&B clubs back in the 90ies. LTJ bukem days ❤️

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Hard to beat when pairing with a Timelapse!

@Alexcustominstall 5 ай бұрын

Fair point! Keep up the good work love the channel ❤

@jspesh 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like when you are queuing for a ride in alton towers in the 90s, maybe Oblivion. Top stuff.

@paulkamara281 5 ай бұрын

OMG.......as soon as you see cellophane wrapped around the front of a car, you know your car is going to be looked after ..........really well☺

@GodKing804 5 ай бұрын

That's just for video

@garymurphy5133 5 ай бұрын

yeah but its the guys own car ,not a customers

@GermanWhip-3900 5 ай бұрын

I dont own a BMW but love watching your videos, the attention to detail is first class

@JerryFlint6 5 ай бұрын

Brilliant to watch a skilled technician at work. The photography and time lapse exceptional along with a fantastic explanation. Always a pleasure to watch the team at Evolve at work!

@darylmorse 5 ай бұрын

Great video! Glad to see another S55 project, since I have an M2C. It never ceases to amaze me how car manufacturers can somehow convince themselves that designs, such as the crankhub on the S55, are adequate, when they could be significantly improved with only minimal incremental cost, such as using a keyed hub rather than the friction washer. Looking forward to seeing the video about changing the rod bearings.

@JordzyBrev 5 ай бұрын

Most probably designed that way so when it fails, they want the customer to go back to dealer for a new engine

@justinfrazier9566 5 ай бұрын

@@JordzyBrev No, they don't want that level of warranty payment to the dealers or the reputational hit. BMW lost a lot of money trying to fix all of the N63's issues after the fact. Its mainly cost shortcutting or unnecessary engineering risk.

@midas-cars 5 ай бұрын

@@justinfrazier9566 Yeah this is a constant stupid take I see. They act as if the service cost goes directly to BMW lmao... If it would all car companies would make their cars unreliable as FUCK.

@OrdinaryCarGuy 5 ай бұрын

You made it look super easy! Excellent work by the technician! Thank you for sharing this information with us and providing solutions and upgrades for our cars!

@trading-university. 5 ай бұрын

Thats a great solution guys. Love to see quality innovation and parts in the BMW tuning scene. Great videos as well

@Stilo95 5 ай бұрын

The camera work is insane! Well done and thank you 🔥

@floridahummer 5 ай бұрын

basically proper engineers who have come up with a good solution.

@mrmusic1880 5 ай бұрын

My friends M4 has over 200000km and it is driven extremely hard every day, everything is still original and it is still going strong! I would say the S55 is the most reliable and robust M engine yet!

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Little bit less mileage than this, but great to hear it's being driven hard and still going well :)

@yg78t76t7 5 ай бұрын

that we've seen so far...the S58 can prove to be bulletproof now that the crankhub is not an issue

@denizhanozkara 5 ай бұрын

stock engine is fine, high power ones problem.

@lukeskywalker1666 5 ай бұрын

B58 is better then s55

@bradofwar5960 5 ай бұрын

@lukeskywalker1666 it is by a mile but he talked about an M engine.

@moescolla 5 ай бұрын

Top notch video quality , explanation and technician 🙏🏾

@olivers.6420 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting with high learning value Imran and of course the work and skills of your guys, just amazing!!!!

@olivers.6420 5 ай бұрын

Guys it is long past midnight in the UK 🙂

@rudyaroki1071 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always !! Greetings from San Diego California

@dodo22r 5 ай бұрын

great video as allways, and the music is spot on!!

@paulpateman6723 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely love your videos just wish you could do them more frequently 🇬🇧👍🇬🇧👍

@SaqibKhaliq 5 ай бұрын

Great video, and an excellent explanation.

@mattnycm3 5 ай бұрын

Great video!! Keep videos like this coming

@387914202 5 ай бұрын

interesting as always imran keep it up!!

@jayjogia 5 ай бұрын

Great Video! I cant wait to bring my F82 (and G80 after the run in service) over for some work in the very near future :)

@MCPC2891 5 ай бұрын

Great fix bro 🙏🏾

@123pong 5 ай бұрын

Apart from the great mechincal work, great attention to details by having the protective film around the front end before doing the work. It's always painfull to see the clothing rubbing or banging onto any cars during any work around the engines

@MohVlogz 4 ай бұрын

You guys doing exactly what's been done on Spencer Berke video

@strongerandwiser2023 5 ай бұрын

One hell of a job getting that sump off. Rediculas that so many items have to come off the car.

@qessali6159 5 ай бұрын

Great content M'A

@sleepysamk1400 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video. It makes me appreciate my Toyota even more 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧

@_marcus_does_ 5 ай бұрын

Great info

@AdDaManGT 5 ай бұрын

Nice Zelos Imran!

@swift__ 5 ай бұрын

That is the mightiest torque wrench I’ve ever seen, shit looks like Excalibur 🗡️ 🤣.. nice work on the CH👌🏼✅

@I3oycI 5 ай бұрын

Any arguments against spline driven crank hub, why did you lads choose to 4 pin instead? Excellent coverage and love the fact you’re documenting this so much over time 🙏

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We have never personally fitted one, but have heard many reports of the spline type hubs failing. We’ve been fitting 4 pin hubs for probably 4-5 years now and have not had one issue, including many high horsepower/track builds.

@BosaFTW 4 ай бұрын

Besides the rods also the valves and pistons etc. would be interesting to see after 130,000 miles👍

@censorshipBS 5 ай бұрын

Jeeeeeesus what a job !

@DRNLR 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely great information and detailed explanation of this problem . Love the way you/ your company design the solution. Do you know of any manual F80 stock configuration that has spun the crank hub?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! We don’t see many manual cars in personally. I don’t think I’d be too worried about a manual car at reasonable power levels but I’m sure it has happened.

@Mizan215 5 ай бұрын

They probably did it to catch out people that run tuned cars. Figured out @ xxxlb-ft of torque impact , the friction material would slip and they wouldn’t have to pay out to fix. Then they started getting warranty claims for non-tuned cars due to dct behaving differently to auto and they fixed it to not risk it with next vehicle line

@Tweed58 5 ай бұрын

Was going to say. I'm more interested in the condition of big and main bearings, along with bore condition and cam lobes. Hopefully see this in part 2.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

To see the main bearings you would have to dissemble the entire engine, which we aren’t going to do. We showed the cam lobe in this video, they’re in quite good condition with the odd faint scratch but certainly nothing to worry about.

@taz391 5 ай бұрын

Satisfaction 👌🏽

@darrenboston342 5 ай бұрын

Imran am I right in saying the crank is torqued to 600 FT-LBS from factory 🤔 Great fix this bit of this was checked regularly it would possibly help it from coming undone🤔 Great work Hash, plenty of it to do this job!!🙄

@mcintosh.motors 5 ай бұрын

This is definitely a big part of it, and why we see some people do for example just the crank bolt guard and then have issues, likely cause of incorrect reinstallation. However if they had left it be it might’ve been just fine. Obviously any sort of upgraded turbos or maxing out stock turbos with E85 I think it’s a great idea. However highly beaten on cars like the Apex Ring F8x cars never get the fix and they’ve had zero issues. However they’re also driven properly for the most part. Theres a lot of different variables with the hub. Approaching 100K on my S55 with zero issues, daily driven like it’s stolen ;) maybe my car was just properly torqued from factory. Also am within factory power on just a CS map however with definitely plays a role. More power simply means the hub is more at risk to slip, no matter which way you spin it in.

@lauriebrooking2429 5 ай бұрын

I have a hybrid turbo f82, with 80k on it running about 600 whp. No hub fix, absolutely fine so far. The problem is overstated. I think big power, SMG box and aggressive down shifts are probably the combo that makes it slip. I also agree some of these fixes (not this one) look a bit dodge, I recon the issue could well be more common for people who have messed about with there crank hub than not.

@sickvendetta9 5 ай бұрын

Over the video! I’ve had it done but didn’t get to see what work went into it!

@HotRodM4 5 ай бұрын

Great video! Any plans for intercooler upgrade? Personally I’m considering the Wagner Tuning one.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Nothing with the current plans unless the standard one fails

@siliconjim2554 5 ай бұрын

Really useful video, thanks. I have a manual M2 competition stock power. So, possibly not likely to be affected too much?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

It’s quite unlikely with that combination

@davetreanor5303 5 ай бұрын

Superb content and production. Have you any advice on PCV issue, can the valve cover just be replaced as preventative maintenance ?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We haven’t experienced much PCV ‘squeal’ on these cars. Matt’s does not have it currently.

@grad0n 5 ай бұрын

Holy effin crank bolt wrench!

@roykenyon886 5 ай бұрын

A+ guys

@funkmastertraf 5 ай бұрын

I thought Gintani was the first to come out with a pinned hub for the S55 way back in the days ?

@GrabberSmurf 5 ай бұрын

Would love a S58 Achilles heal breakdown! I’ve heard the stock manifold cracks at around 30psi. I really and to get a G87 in a year or so.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

So far the only thing does seem to be the intake manifold if wanting to go hybrid and push higher PSI, then the transmission. If sticking to standard turbo power (which is still capable of a lot!) then it seems a very reliable well designed engine so far.

@twinscrolled 5 ай бұрын

What I would like to know is, why would BMW not key the crank hub from the factory?

@cocopopchav 5 ай бұрын

Great video, how much would this job cost ? And at what stage do you recommend doing this

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We strongly recommend this for any customer wanting to go hybrid turbo or for DCT customers who may be using on track with heavy downshifting. Price can be found on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@chicomaxima1 5 ай бұрын

It also happens to the first M engine s38 M5 M6

@nohookshot9977 Ай бұрын

Ok now I understand why this is a $3k job lol.

@turbotrana 4 ай бұрын

a nice fix, car manufacturers always seem to stuff something

@paulpateman6723 5 ай бұрын

Just wondered why you would not do rod bearings while it is all apart 🇬🇧👍🇬🇧👍

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Find out in the next video if they’re worth doing!

@denizhanozkara 5 ай бұрын

nice

@M5tubee 5 ай бұрын

do an f90 m5 transmission fluid change plz

@1979aib 5 ай бұрын

It's definitely ok now

@kilanjertran428 5 ай бұрын

Wait you gotta do all of that just to change the crank hub?

@peterwood2633 5 ай бұрын

Evolve, not to be confused with EV-love !

@oReMoDuLaTex 5 ай бұрын

Ok but did we fix the issue of the bolt coming lose... no

@MrCaterhamr500 5 ай бұрын

I really like these but can’t see me buying one, I live near the Lake District where it’s wet and muddy on the roads 95% of the time, I’d never be able to go full throttle without ending up in a hedge or wall. Wish this generation was 4wd!

@joeharper1710 5 ай бұрын

How come the coolant has to come out ?

@CovKid2K10 5 ай бұрын

How often does Matt change his oil? It would great to know his service regime as the engine is so mint

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Matt has owned this car a few months, before that the car was serviced by BMW to their intervals.

@shimon2476 5 ай бұрын

The only way to get rid of that oil varnish is to change your oil at 5k kms intervals with ll4 oil

@calebleuciuc670 5 ай бұрын

Curious what he did for maintenance to have it look that clean after that many miles

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

It was serviced by BMW to their intervals, but I think truthfully it also hasn’t been driven that hard which I imagine contributes to it.

@iz7875 5 ай бұрын

Is this necessary for a stock s55 engine? Rumour has it the future proofing weakens the integrity of the crank hub

@LiberaNosAMalo 5 ай бұрын

Such a ball ache though going through all that to do the crank hub fix. So many parts to remove and put back together. I guess that’s why a lot of people don’t bother? What’s the cost for doing this???

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

It’s not a small amount of work but the only way to do it properly! Price can be found on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@chrisp4899 5 ай бұрын

Very clean internals, does evolve recommend engine flush at oil changes ?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Using good quality oil and changing regularly is more than sufficient in our opinion.

@michalalewicz8570 5 ай бұрын

Is 5000 km sufficient for oil change interval in s55 engine?@@EvolveAutomotive

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

@@michalalewicz8570 you can't change your oil too soon, so every 5000km would be keeping it very fresh.

@TheOne-po8bn 5 ай бұрын

Was the timing chain changed as well or not required? I saw on your website that you offer to change timing chain as part of the crank hub change. Thanks

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We did the timing chain on this one as it was high mileage. Didn’t overly show any signs of stretch but worthwhile preventative maintenance.

@TheOne-po8bn 5 ай бұрын

okay thank you@@EvolveAutomotive

@IanB22 5 ай бұрын

why would they ever do this??? - You're solution is correct sir.

@hardcoreep 5 ай бұрын

It was built for stock power. I obviously only fails under modification.

@chrisbradley3224 5 ай бұрын

Any thoughts on doing rod bearings while you have the oil pan off?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Stick around until the end of the video 😉

@chrisbradley3224 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive Oops, lol

@matthewnicholas6365 5 ай бұрын

Is the crank hub a problem on the N55, or is it now powerful enough to shake it loose?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

In theory it's the same design but we haven't carried out the fix to our N55 M2.

@_Thale_ 5 ай бұрын

If I may ask, have turbo M cars ever suffered from Rod-bearing failure? 🤔

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We’ve done quite a few F10 M5/M6 rod bearing changes now. This car was the first S55 we have done and all of our findings will be in the next video. It’s certainly not on the S65/85 scale of issues.

@BFG2021 5 ай бұрын

I would have just pulled the motor doing all that work in frame

@MiniBrothas 5 ай бұрын

Can we get Matt an Eventuri Intake?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

I promise I didn’t ask for this to be written but maybe one day 🤞🏻🙏🏻 it’s what the people want Imran 😂

@ralphpeiris5996 5 ай бұрын

BMW should have made the crank hub repair a factory recall

@rgthomson1 5 ай бұрын

A lot of company's will build small problems in deliberately, its good for business when customers have to come back for engines etc

@sparkyt6497 5 ай бұрын

I take it the n55 (m135i) is different then ?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

No, N55 and N54 both share this crank hub design

@hxrxxn_ 5 ай бұрын

quick question this is a 18 plate and it dont have lci tailights

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We explained this in the previous video, but it has an 11/16 build date but wasn’t registered until 2018

@hxrxxn_ 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive ah ok makes sense now thnx

@DownShiftThrottle 4 ай бұрын

How is that an 18 plate a pre-facelift??

@EvolveAutomotive 4 ай бұрын

We explain that in the first video 😉 Built 11/16 but not registered until 2018

@yasinkaya4127 5 ай бұрын

How much is a crank hub with installation for an s55

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

All current pricing can be found on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@bobjit252 5 ай бұрын

How much does a job like that cost including parts ?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Price can be found on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@arabbrian 5 ай бұрын

I don't understand why bmw would design the hub like this and why did they not make an update and fix this issue?

@kazual6 5 ай бұрын

Would love to know the cost of this mod. As im local.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Hi, you can find the pricing on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank+hub&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@cwx8 5 ай бұрын

How in the hell did BMW reckon that friction material would work indefinitely?

@Salpeteroxid 5 ай бұрын

How much do you charge? I have an M4.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

All current pricing can be found on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@MeijaJanis 5 ай бұрын

how many engines have you really seen with spun hubs?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

We have one in the workshop with one currently that luckily didn't spin it enough to cause engine damage. Our F80 M3 had it happen at 1000 miles on the dyno which required a replacement engine, and we've heard of many more.

@MeijaJanis 5 ай бұрын

back in the day not all engines were built so that if your timing belt skips(kinda same as spun hub) then piston meets valves. if that happends, sh!t gets expensive real fast @@EvolveAutomotive

@goransimic8650 5 ай бұрын

How much does it costs?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Hi, you can find the pricing on our website - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?_pos=1&_psq=crank+hub&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@chrispieri8377 5 ай бұрын

So the crank hub still hasn’t failed at 130K. Good to know.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Truthfully we are unsure if the age/mileage of the car meaningfully affects the likelihood of the hub spinning. There’s many variables and whilst we’ve considered a way to test them we aren’t sure if the data obtained would be useful as advice.

@chrispieri8377 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive I have a stock 2015 F80 m3. 22K miles with BMW Full service history. Hopefully mine will last as long. Had a drivetrain message come up the other day but now disappeared.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Hopefully it lasts you a long time, enjoy it! 🙏🏻

@gtr485 5 ай бұрын

Bmw knew better than what. Soon as my M2C warranty is up it’s gone.

@hondata05 4 күн бұрын

How much does this cost

@EvolveAutomotive 3 күн бұрын

We currently charge £1999 inc VAT supplied and fitted - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?variant=45253837685027

@vkolpdj 5 ай бұрын

I noticed you said miles instead of kilometers, why is that?

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Because it’s in miles? 210,000km

@vkolpdj 5 ай бұрын

I was just always under the impression only Americans use miles so I was thrown off hearing someone in the UK refer to it as miles, rather than kilometers.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Nope, we use miles too!

@vkolpdj 5 ай бұрын

Mind = Blown. By the way, love the content and love the Eventuri intake on my F80. Thing is nuts. Also had one in my E92 M3. Exceptional products.

@K1NG_GTR35 5 ай бұрын

Looks like an expensive labour cost alone 😂

@kornonacob 5 ай бұрын

If i have money i want to buy m4 or m3 touring and send to imran ...750-800 hp is good enough for me tho 😂

@oReMoDuLaTex 5 ай бұрын

for the cost of this just buy extended warranty and use bolt on mods that can be removed lol

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

So fraud? Good plan.

@oReMoDuLaTex 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive that’s your choice of comment lol… you’re advertising that this is safe and offers “piece of mind” on “high mileage vehicles”. Even with your so called fraud comment getting extended warranty compared to this over “piece of mind on high mileage” is hilarious get real buddy

@oReMoDuLaTex 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive you mentioned that the bolt will come loose too… does the same thing happen with this kit over time? Probably. Great fix

@oReMoDuLaTex 5 ай бұрын

@@EvolveAutomotive regardless I’m sure it’ll be noticed that it’s a common issue on s55 should the customer really be at fault and not covered? Depending on the length of modifications done and mileage is it really justifiable to call it fraud over a known defect especially when you say it was fixed in the b58? you sure are funny

@lazeemtaylor9949 5 ай бұрын

130k miles ? On s55 that gotta be its 2nd engine

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Original engine.

@SteveBennet500 5 ай бұрын

The idea of drilling into the crank with a hand drill and a guide makes me feel uneasy, there's no way that is perfectly centered down to 0.0001". I'd love to see how much the balance is off on the crank after this mod. This falls under "ghetto fix" for me imo.

@LCOF 5 ай бұрын

Where did you get your 0.0001" tolerance from? Is that BMW's own spec?

@SteveBennet500 5 ай бұрын

@@LCOF bmw doesn't have a spec for centering 4 holes onto its crankshaft, but if you want to drill 4 holes into your crankshaft without balancing it later you better be dead on

@jackweta 5 ай бұрын

BMW mechanics are the best - they get the most practice. Toyota/lexus mechanics are the worst - they have to fix imaginary faults.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

😂

@S2kkilla 2 ай бұрын

2jz with half mil miles makein 800hp this is nothing impressive 20 years later bmw struggling to make something reliable lol

@AveGuy1 5 ай бұрын

I'd rather let it break and then buy a new car instead of doing all this.

@EvolveAutomotive 5 ай бұрын

Then you have more money than I 😅

@Dan.gleeballs 5 ай бұрын

Bmw engines have so many failure points, makes a range rover look reliable.

@tomt6907 5 ай бұрын

BMW is in the top percentile of reliability. Stop spreading miss info. The car in this video made it over 130K with no crank hub failure. It’s just a preventative measure for adding more power.