Well said Mr Tharman your phrase a "monopoly on compassion" says it all! 👏👍👍

Mr Tharman looks tired. I can imagine the mounting pressure and work at a time like this. Thank you to all the ministers working hard for us. I appreciate it.

When Tharman speaks, the wise listen

I love the quality of the debate.

A blended design of min. wage and PWM (2 visions) can be where a min. wage range is set for a limited period. Then PWM criteria are developed for each sector of various industries. Iterative developing time is for the purpose of re-designing the 2 visions into a shared vision.

Wow. PAP had to send in the heavyweight!

Some people here talk like fathers and mothers excited about their son's valedictory speech

Press F to pay respects when Tharman decided to extend his point beyond 1:05.

Who likes to see a Tin Peh Ling debate with Jamus ? Hahahaha

Dr Jamus need to learn practicality of things which is often quite removed from theory. Mr Tharman is a perfect example of a politician who is 'far-sighted', learned and compassionate all at the same time.

CNA, Mothership, Straits Times, Today online, all give snippets of 3-10 minute videos of these sessions. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET THE FULL VIDEO OF A FULL PARLIAMENTARY SESSION???

Wow Tharman!

Well Jamus I'm sure you will cherish this session with Tharman.

so what will prof JL suggest if minimum wage displaces jobs and cause more unemployment among locals? by showing more compassion and giving out unemployment assistance like CSSA in Hong Kong?

Minister is guiding the debate. Nice Sia. Mr Tarman for President!

I support constructive differences, intelligent exchanges of opinion and the dare to share each thought, their beg to differ...

Both debated quite well!

Don’t quite understand why Tharman said universities don’t publish their research ?

Hope that the government would give the opposition a chance to express their views. To have a SM to protect and shield Jumus motion putting across the parliament seem to have indirectly telling that the opposition contribution is to have certain limitations. Where'd

Can talk about present bread and butter issues? How about C. F

Both of them well done!!

Tharman attempted to prevent polarisation. Jamus was saying that on the continuum between equity and efficiency, our position leaned towards efficiency and so we gotta re-balance it towards more equity. Yes, policies tend to be efficient as to become quick fixes and many times decisions taken so swiftly and acted upon so fast that in attempting to be super-efficient, they become ineffective.

Who else researched what "Strawman Argument" meant?

Thumbs up Tharman!

This genuine good spirited debate warms my cockles. Where is Jamus original statement before Tharma responded.

yes SM

Jamus needs to convinced the public much bette with facts, figures and proposals, rather than trying to teach his seniors in the parliament how to be compassionate. Everyone is compassionate in our own ways, we con't need lessons from him. We need to see numbers, money and plans, how to get the hell out of this pandemic problem.

Excellent reply by Jamus Lim to Mr Tharman inspite of just new in Parliament he Jamus is so very confident to reply Mr Tharman was gracious in rising to talk Mr Pritam Singh say in his election speech MrThraman is a good man but join d wrong party. Eric July 2023

Dear Sushi Siam, I understand your comments and I agree with you. I have myself been beaten in Europe cause of my ethnic race, discriminated during interviews both in Europe and in the middle east. As a south east asian, I often face prejudice from the locals. However, Singapore is no longer allowing foreigners to sit in middle level PMET jobs anymore and it's not right to demand that the MOM to give the top notch positions to us. We have to international ourselves by gaining global experience, learn a new European language and replace our compeititors. This is what I am trying to say.

Tharman is very Clear

when country having low GDP per capita, income growth is required and it need to focus of efficiency and everyone will agree because survival is first priority. when country achieve high gdp per capita, it become complicated as some citizen will prefer maintain current income level and focus on closing the gap between rich and poor , some citizen will prefer efficiency still as it is the core competency of the country and it can achieve more by continue the focus of efficiency. No one have all answer but it is good debate that let everyone understand what is the alternative available.

There is no need to jump to conclusion that the other party has a "monopoly of compassion" (or anything) just because Jamus suggested "more compassion in policies making" sounds really inappropriate like children engaging in petty arguement at the playground. Attacking an opponent at every opportunity especially on imagined excesses will only diminish one's standing as a senior statesman. It would have been more gracious to acknowledge the other party suggestions but explain how a large does of "compassion" had always been (if true) a strong factor in formulating policies. Otherwise thank the other party to his contribution.

Thank you for your understanding Digerati, but who is chen shao mao? is he another version of Jamus, a yanking economist who came to parliament without a factual proposal?

Two of my favs arguing

Frankly anyone who follows the Spore news for decades knows this an ongoing problem for donkey years, why hit Jamus for having the courage to highlight this issue ? The key point here should be how to help the weaker yet not fall into the Western welfare trap of dependency mentality and having the country ending up with a huge debt like the West ....

Tats why Tharman shd be our PM. He speaks volume n gentlemanly in soft tone voice. Why must it be racist tat he is Indian n only Chinese can be PM. Then what abt our President she is not malay but Indian yet not elected by the people of spore. Doesn't it sounds ridiculous. One shd look at the quality of hw the person perform. Tharman serves parliament many years n with his expertise he shd lead spore....

What is meant by compassion? Isn't releasing 4 budgets for Singapore workers compassion enough.

Singapore are lucky to have tarman..give him to our country Canada

Dear Blue Vatsky, have you read the manifestos of the WP? Do you not know that what I have just mentioned are a reflection of al lof their demands? Have you not been able to think hollistically that if the minimum wage arrives to our society at a time like this, employers will be pissed off? Companies are in dire straits themselves, why would they wanna entertain our minimum wage demands? There are cheaper countries like Malaysia and Philippines, please take a look at ourselves in the mirror before we demand. We are small country. The USA and Chin can scream and shout, and punish other nations. We can't do that. Minimum wage my ass. You wanna have the same rate of unemployment as scandnavian countries who practises minimum wage? Their unemployment rate is 7.8% before covid. Have your favourite WP, considered that? Do they have a proposal and solution? Answer is no. Just talk talk talk and yank yank with sentences like ''cockles of my heart'' I have lived in Finland for 7 years, everyday is like Covid 19, high unemployment. Stay focus and wake up Blue Vastly

Dear Jamus. Please consider talking like a normal Singaporean. It would be easier to relate to you if you did.

Minister is a minister...MP is MP....one has helicopter view...the other view a helicopter from a well....

As an American I will back Tharman for PM he has the experience.

Between a minimum wage and a Progressive wage model scheme, I'd rather chose the PWM. This is because I have witnessed many employers refusing to hire someone in Finland because of the minimum wage law or just hire them at the same wage for years to come without increments. Make it easier for employers to hire us first, then we upgrade ourselves and demand more. When we are the PWM programme, it's harder to get rid of us.

I respect Minister tharman for his Wise speech.

My sense is that Jamus loves to listen to his own voice and articulations, and tries hard to project intelligence. Is he just an empty vessel? We should monitor.

Err.. China has lifted all the proverty and helping them to earn income by farming and developing the area to tourism area.. Why sg cannot? Oh.. Sorry forgotten.. Too small a city..

Now I know what a coffee shop speaker is, with no data, backup with knowledge. Plainly only ideas, you have only 4 years plus to go

what so hard. just give more to the lowly pay.!!!

My husband’s European niece chosed to have a child through artificial insemination ( paid by the social state)n lives in an affordable city apartment, many toddlers were seen wandering the streets alone in cold winters in Europe cause their young mummies r drinking in the pubs, this is what happens when you have generous social payouts n cheap social housing, these kids slips into poverty easily. My husband refused to buy a house in a high migration area cause he said that our housing value will decline as the blacks n Asian immigrants prevail in these towns . N yes, many residents enjoy payouts refusing to work. Unemployment rate is 7.8 percent naturally within the European Union. Stop using Scandinavian countries as an example for your manifestos WP , have any of you ever lived there, worked there n raised your children there? Don’t fool Singaporeans pls. We know who is the right government for us. if you guys truly wanna do something good for Singaporeans, join the PAP, they r the ones having the power n finances to make changes to our country. don’t just yank at a corner.

The Bald Eagle 🦅 have the fullest knowledge as an economist,,but unfortunately , doesn't have the IRON in Him and don't have the Fire in the belly,,,, he fear the unknown,, He should have the Guts 🇸🇬 to Stand Up Against Gutter Politic's Spin'sToxicities,,if only he can have half of JBJ,,he should be the PM Long ago,,in other words he's lost his two Ding Dong from his past experiences Lah 🇸🇬 Singapore Singaporeans,

Argue for the sake of arguing, but no practical solution. Please give some well rounded ideas.

Tharman is the boss!

Mr Tharman, you should regret not to follow Mr smart Goh Chok Tong to call it a day!

tharman...if you that good and respected by your boss...you would be pm by now

Move over oldies😂

Great MP. THAMAN. BRAIN. NO. HAIR

Tharman thug life. Woohoo

Meanwhile 03:00 one going to doze off, one using phone.

Old school min wage model vs progressive wage model have been studied before the government decided on which model is actually be better for Singapore. Perhaps PAP should give a comprehensive report card to the public to show when it was implemented and how it actually brought about higher wages for the bottom 20% of our working community. Though he was actually briefed by Vivian Balakrishnan during the pre-election roundtable debate with Chee Soon Juan about this topic. Perhaps Jamus should instead show us how the progressive wage model is not working....

MVP vs MVP

Where is the debate? There is no good debate when the accusations are fundamentally flawed. Eg. Strawman is untrue . Monopoly over compassion is untrue. With so many untrue accusations, there can be no debate

Fake grants n fake subsidies

tharman for the win

Senior 🤣🤣🤣 Vs Beginner🤗🤗🤗....

The PM’s Salary is $2Million (The World Highest Leader Salary) and the rest of the Ministers is receiving very high Salary too (compare to most countries) So if the Singapore Governments can earn High Salaries then what’s so difficult to impose a Minimum Wages???

WP is trying to bank in the echos of the people n pressure our government to oblige in order to gain more votes n support. Their demands from the our government carries grave consequences that Europe , which practices the same manifestos, suggested by the WP . I am not impressed by Jamus Lim because I am a well travelled Singaporean who has lived in 5 countries n three continents, raising my two kids overseas at the same time. If Singspore ever practices manifestos such as minimum wages, giving citizens salaries, pulling out foreigners, letting young Singaporeans own flats, allowing Singaporeans to sell their flats to which ever ethnic groups they want, we r gonna see, firstly, firms don’t hire anymore, which is what is happening in Europe cause our minimum wages r too High, foreigners working in sanitization industries, will depart prematurely cause our high minimum wages is able to pay them well for several years with just a few months work, young women will choose not to get married n have children out of the wedlock’s cause there is affordable n easy housing available, these groups of young single women slips into poverty easily, citizens lazing around cause there r generous payouts, our towns n HDB flats will turn into one ethnic group cheap towns or flats soon, leading to social unrest like what we r witnessing in the west, where black, China towns or immigrant blocks of social housing exists, international firms not wanting to situate themselves in singapore cause they can’t recruit internationally well experienced talents, leading to high unemployment, which is what Scandinavian countries r experiencing today. WP can fool many Singaporeans but not the ones who r well travelled. Being in Australia or USA doesn’t mean you have seen the world. It takes a lot more than that to say you r truly international, n the WP lacks of an international mindset. I am not voting for you guys. I will walk to my town council n speak to the ministers personally without the need for any WP to represent me.

Well how have you been doing it in the past n what happened now .It seems u don't know answer .

If you were paid too low then go apply for a higher salary job , it really that simple .Let the market dictates the wages .

What a strong performance by JL as a newbie. looking forward to his contributions.

Tharman join WP .

Jamus appear conceited and too sure of himself

By increasing tax profiteering

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Can't imagine if the chinese helicopter XiaSuey Lim take on this question. Honestly, Tharman is good.

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same more little bit everyday what

Jamus blaberring.

All i could think of is sheesh... Mr Tharman, you look like you haven’t slept in more than a week.

go to channel 8 news youtube channel and watched the full debate. After watching the debate, it really shows the quality of our incumbent PAP's futures leaders . How our older generation leaders like thaman have to bail them out of embressment. if this continues i have no confident in the future PAP's leaders . this full debate could be watched below. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9iTpamF1NSsnWw.html

Its been too long we see opposition taking on those so called heavy weights. WE NEED MORE JAMUS

Dr. J. Lim, wonderful speak to support for poor low wages Singaporean please help us, not to let the S/Pass n E/pass to take away Our Singapore job.

Tharman have a good speech but Jamus got a better speech, it seem like Tharman think that opposition find thing to argue. I disagree with Tharman view! I feel that worker party in parliament are to see what pap can did better, with some issue to help everyone moving forward, and of cuz workers party do agree with some pap government policy, but this is a parliament what more can u say about good policy that they have made? Why must talk about good policy pap made when it is already good? So that why workers party only address the policy that they disagree only🤷‍♀️ so my dear PAP voter stop having this kind of shit thinking, opposition voter and resident vote them into parliament is to speak up for those politic that left them behind and need to address not to go there to praise the government for good policy, get your facts right! Did they totally took out totally all their policy and reject everything? In parliament only a few policy debate have been made. And people vote for PAP is to serve well, not to fix the opposition! Just serve us manage the country well. So I think infect voter expectations of WP seem to hit their expectation already as compare to PAP and well u would say of cuz WP supporter expectation is easy to hit compare to the PAP, and I can tell u that is for sure look at their salary million dollar over 16k MP, with what right u all expecting a 16k expectation to be equal high than the minister expect and expectation of ruling party from their voter? If a 16k can do equally well that minister then why do we still need minister for? So dun criticise Jamus he is first time elected MP. And he can talk with this caliber is already very good. Non ruling party MP can talk like him. We have to face the issue to determine, not face the party but blind fold not to face the issue of every problem just because is PAP what they do sure right cuz they PAP. That is what u all have given us such dumb impression, pls give us more better reasoning why thaman is better not alway thaman for the win, way to go , go pap, only these few word already tell u all see party over issue! How to impress opposition voter to vote for PAP like that?

We support you WP!!!

no regard j win in this debate .hmm..

"pride of having a job and earning a wage" I wonder Tharman would be happy if the minister pay is lower since he loves his job of serving people as minister. :D

Talk peopleb do nothing M P not easy to do long time people not study group speak engilish broken

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Blue Vatsky, you are also very unintelligent, goverment's asisistance comes in a range of subsidies such as schooling, housing, transport and medical. Many families in other contries have to pay for private schooling for their own children because the state schools are not trustworthy. Singapore's schools are trusted. Private schools charge approximately 3500 for the elementary level. Our transport is similarly subsidised as Scandnavian countries who has to first charge their people 50% taxes in average. Our maximum tax rate is currenly 18%, most pay less than 15%, that's reasonable. City housing in Europe which is nearly 100 years old cost the same as our new condos here, but private apartments in Scandinavian countries do not come with a pool and facilities. Just a gate for you. And don't expect security either, it's a DIY self service country. As for medical , this is the fun part, one takes up to 2 months to see a general practioner in a polyclinic and you have to wait for days at an emergency room in a hospital to see a doctor. We have reachable polyclnics, HDB clinics and private clinics supported by the CHARS system. That's another form of subisidy.Before you say that our goverment is uncompassionatem pls look at how we have been living versus how others in other countries have been living. It's not just about the low wages issue here, but also the range of subsidises we have been receiving. You don't sound like a well travelled person to me Mr. Blue, you don't have to believe me and I couldn't care what you have to say, these are the facts and the truth hurts doesn't i? Sorry to disappoint you, our goverment isn't doing a bad job as you would like to perceive them to be. And Singapore does not suck.

Is Tharman's depiction of a strawman's argument accurate? I don't think so. WP is arguing for a balance (or a re-balance). Secondly, "monopoly of compassion"? - Tharman seems to speak that into existence when in the first place there wasn't. Mr Tharman - please ENGAGE with the issues and not try to tar your opponent. Your opponents' flaws will be exposed when the weakness in their arguments is exposed. Using mud-slinging techniques work against your own party!

Jamus jamus jamus jamus👍

Jamus Lim is the winner in this debate😊