Yup they are the kind made for industrial grade applications to isolate heavy duty vibrations and keep decibels within certain safety limits and stop vibrations to or from other equipment. They can allow it vibrate more freely as well so they can enhance the effect of bass transducers.

Oh wicked. Just found some. Thanks for the description and name. Wasn't sure what to search for.

What about the “shelves” - anyone find what can be used to replicate this? Edit: never mind. These are custom brackets, I couldn’t find similar, and they’re now selling just the brackets, springs and hardware.

Hey Mike! Reach out to them. The owner is awesome to deal with; I’m sure he’d hook you up

Came here to say the same, if they sell a package of the springs with the ability to choose different mounting options (I would like to attach to a Next Level F-GT if possible) then I will be getting it ASAP!

Yeah, same here. I already have four transducers like in thr vid and USB amps. Just need trh mounts and springs. This is an amazing idea. Definitely going to princess auto later today to look for heavy duty springs. Maybe a light duty coil over or something. Great video as always man!!!

Me 3, in for a smaller kit.

I have to apologize firstly as i couldn't bring myself to watch the video through the full way yet because its ridiculous, they you have moving parts through a ridged setup the movement from one part will be moved through the non moving part to the next moving part, this is a absolutely terrible idea! ok i will now go and watch the rest of this video

Your website says nothing about which countries you ship to, it would be nice to know

@@Helld00d Good point, I'll fix that. For now just Canada and US but we're working on others. Thanks.

UK delivery and I'm all in 👍👍👍

i have the tr160 with triples mounted on to the rig .is it good idea to take the kit or do we need stiffer springs ?

@@wow35master That rig weight around 55kg, the springs will hold 250kg, so you have a lot of headroom for weight.

Agreed on the value proposition, just breaking down the costing of individual shakers, amps and 4 channel usb sound card already exceeds the cost of this whole kit using common sourcing like Amazon. Definitely could DIY this if you could come up with suitable mounts (which they've done) but definitely not cheaper. Currently I just have a couple of smaller pucks mounted to my seat and that's pretty amazing as it is, I can appreciate how much more this would add. Definitely will be considering this when my new profile rig arrives.

so in short, if you live in an apartment building it wont disturbe the nighbours, they wont hear or feel it?

Could you elaborate on exactly what this kit does? In regards to the springs. Is it just to isolate the vibrations so it doesn't disperse to the floor?

To those wondering regarding my previous comment - The springs will isolate noise and vibrations throughout the environment. As you're isolating the vibrations to just the rig, this can increase the feel of the transducers. That being said, is it a necessity? Absolutely not. Is it nice to have? Absolutely is. Will there be a drastic difference if you were to isolate or not in regards to experience? Not at all but of course depending on the strength of the transducers used. Who will benefit from this? Those living in an environment in which the day-to-day use of your rig annoys/affects the others around you.

Thank you so much!

How would you describe the difference between the buttkickers and the Daytons

equivalent, I'd say - as long as you get similar power outputs to the BK's@@dvc1867 - and you can more easily achieve stereo/quad effects with smaller transducers than the bulkier BK 'arms'. It's just about taking a breath and being a little brave with DIY, but worth it. the software (SimHub or SimXPeriences Sim Commander for example) adds cost though, but is essential

Thanks!

Thanks so much. It’s not a replacement for my motion, but for $500 it seems like a great way to dip your toes into feeling sim racing through more than your wheel.

I was going to ask the same questions. I'm going to do a full motion rig in the future and I'm trying to determine the best set up for my space and budget. I'd like to do a combo set up for racing and flight. Was intrigued by the Yaw VR system. Glad you're feeling better Mike! I've had Covid twice in the past 3 years. No fun either time. God bless and race on 👍😎🏁

Mind telling where/what model spring isolators you got?

Also curious!

I’ll check it out! Thanks!

I bought a 4 channel inuke after reading a post by mrlatte some time ago along with the same 4 transducers in this kit and now just ordered the mounting kit. I’d be interested if any of you wrote up a guide on how to do what you’re talking about.

@@chrisc3825 Can't do anything with that iNuke amp in this regard, using a delay to properly size the car, as it doesn't have a DSP (Digital Sound Processor). Even the other guys never comprehend the thing I was talking about, hence they said "go for the 4 channel amp without DSP as it'll save you quite a few bucks". 🤦‍♂ Let's take just the rear right tyre on an BMW E46 as an example with transducers on a Sim-Lab P1 rig as an example which has 4 transducers at all extreme corners. The Sim-Lab P`1 is 1.350 meters long and has a with of 0.680 meters. So just over half a meter wide. The seating position on the rig is at the furthest rear posiion on the rig and 0.500 meters further to the front is the crossmember for the front mounts of a seat slider. The E46 has a wheel base of 2.725 meters with a width of 1.740 meters. The seating position is with your feet almost directly behind the front left tyre. Which means that you are roughly 1 meter apart from the right hand side tyres (1.740 - 0.680 = 1.060 meters). Where your rig is also sitting virtually closer to the front tyres, so that means if you were to match up the front of your Sim-Lab P1 with the left front tyre you'd be shy 1.375 meters from the back of the P1 rig to the left rear on the E46 (2.725 - 1.350 = 1.375 meters). Now since your transducers are mounted on each extreme end of the P1 rig they are vibrating much closer to your butt than a real E46 it's tyres would as it picks up road noise. So you need to virtually spread out the transducers by telling the amplifier's DSP that your speakers are an X amount of meters away from you. Which will add a delay so that it seems as if the transducers is further away by mimicing the extra time it would take for the vibration to travel through the material and finally to your butt. Now to know the distance between your butt and the rear left tyre you can just apply Pythagoras his A² = B² + C². So A² = diagonal line from butt to the E46 rear right. B² = remaining distance to the rear axle at 1.060 meters. C² = width from seat to the right side tyres at 1.375 meters. So we need to calculate: A² = 1.060² + 1.375² = 3,014225. So for the rear right transducer we need to dial in a delay of roughly 3 meters. The rear left transducer can be set to 1 meter The front right transducer to 1.3 meters The front left transducer can remain at 0 meters. That is how you setup the delay of a DSP for a BMW E46 3-series car whilst using a Sim-Lab P1 rig with 4 transducers mounted at its 4 corners.

@@LogiForce86 a bit of work, but not exactly complicated. I actually got an Behringer NX4-6000. I think this replaced some of the older iNukes but can still use the same software, but I don’t remember what the benefit of that was tbh but there was a discussion about that software being used to dial in the transducers. What you’re saying just sounds like speaker placement on a regular receiver. I don’t much about sound processing, but I’d assume a sound engineer would enter in the placement of microphones relative to each other when recording, then you as the listener can enter in the speaker placement relative to you, and the DSP (?) would calculate the differences and play the sound accordingly, or in the case where the amount of speakers doesn’t match up the with the amount of microphones, it does some smart processing to figure out what everything should sound like. With that said, 1) I don’t know why what I was reading guided me to get this amp and use the iNuke software (for something) as opposed to a regular receiver that would have some onboard DSP, and 2) that sims would relay the information used for tactile feedback in a way that already considers the wheel and driver placement and then you can just enter in speaker placement essentially for your transducers and not have to make manual calculations or adjustments, but that might be hopeful thinking.

There is no motion with the springs only, and it's not the purpose of them. They are only ment for isolating the vibrations not going in the floor

I have 4 transducers mounted to two pieces of MDF under my RS1 and it’s eh. Looking to sell mine and go 8020.

@@chrisc3825 you probably need to mount them directly onto your rig somehow. I doubt your current setup (if I understood it correctly your rig is standing on an MDF panels?) will transit enough vibrations since the RS1 standing on a tiny bolts with feet on it which will not let pass that vibrations through it. The more contact area you have the better feel you'll get. I have a direct drive wheel now and it shakes the whole rig pretty impressive, so I expect proper shakers/transducers should do the same.

@@mattspeed yeah ideally they would need to be mounted directly to the rig but I have the same Dayton’s in this package and they’re too big to mount anywhere on the rig, plus I want to go 8020 regardless and don’t want to start making modifications to this one. Right now I have the rig sitting directly on the MDF boards and the feet going into holes I drilled just to keep the rig from sliding around. It’s a bit of a mess. I can tell front from rear because it’s two different boards, front and rear, that the shakers are mounted to, but left to right is difficult to tell. I honestly don’t even use it right now because I know I’m not getting what I want or can out of it. Hopefully this new setup will change that. GL if you stick with the RS1. Most people use the smaller Dayton pucks mounted directly to the pedal plate, seat, and gear shifter sometimes.

Probably the difference in price

Fair point, but that’s also the difference between authentically translating information and more cleanly transmitting information. You can argue from both perspectives. The same applies to force feedback through the wheel.

To be fair, I saw a comparison between buttkickers, Dayton and some others. Buttkickers design allows for more dynamic range and more identifiable individual frequencies. In other words when assigning effects to the transducer, you'd get better feedback, definition and clarity, if you have multiple effects assigned to a single transducer. So you've got very good equipment, I'm going with the simracing 4 BK package I saw on their website, or if I can't get the package, I'll have to source them individually.

@@torbinzix1 In all honesty, I don't bother with my buttkicker at all. I found having the feedback coming in from one spot to be immersion breaking, and with more then a couple signals being processed it just becomes noise to filter out rather then to respond to. I had limited it to the gear change and the rev limiter but my motion rig does that job now.

We'll have that as an option on the website soon, although it will take longer to deliver.

@@slip-angle2400 The spring mounting system looks different on the kit without transducers. Is it a better version? I also already have 4 transducers and I'm interested in the kit. Do you have a dealer in Europe?

This is resolved in tuning. I have a four corners shaker setup on an aluminum rig. I 3d printed shaker mounts ( a lot of trial and error) so they can induce more force. Tweaking frequency snd power can have dramatic effect on source recognition. TLDR: frequencies too low become muddled within the chassis.

Thanks for the feedback, but in my experience dampers changed the feeling of the vibrations, I believe by limiting their amplitude, and you want that variation. Springs were the only thing that really felt right.

Atom, the springs are an integral part of it, without the springs your rig isn't free to move. You might feel some of the higher frequencies, but you miss out on the lower ones, and you need that variation to get the effect.

@@SlipAngleRacing my rig ways 800 to 900 pounds. I get it. As in why they are there. But... Being so beefy. I feel the vibration from my wheel in my pedals. Why I said just having the feedback without movement for me. Would be great. The only motion I would bother with or want is a D box system. But the rest of this kit is way better then one butt kicker.

@@SlipAngleRacing I already have my setup off the floor on rubber pads just fyi. Its a good 3 inches up.

It's vibration at a certain frequency, which you can feel when you are sitting in your rig. The rig does not move, just vibrates when required. For instance, when your front left tyre runs over a kerb, you will feel vibration in your rig from the front bass shaker going off. It's a great feedback sensation, but it won't move the rig like a proper motion system. Setup right in SimHub, and the system is great.

The theory is that yes, they do give a better output. Think about if you had to shake the rig with your hands. It would be easier to shake if it sat on springs. So in this case, the transducers have to do less work.

No, I don’t believe it is, unfortunately

I have a Dayton under my pedal deck with noobsound, and a buttkicker plus under the seat. They perform next to identical but actually I prefer the vibration from the Dayton setup and it was less expensive as well. Great job of letting me know of any brake lock up.

The buttkickers are more powerful, but it's not just the power of the transducer, it's the freedom of the rig to move. With the springs the Daytons are plenty powerful and provide a lot of variation. Cheers.

@@slip-angle2400 do you ship to the Netherlands and at what rate? I'm looking at sizable customs import taxing, so it's important for me to know what I'll be paying in the end. Hopefully you can give me some indications. Tia.

@@frankvanderheide Hi, yes, just go to the website, add the item to cart, add email and select your country and it'll show the costs. Email me if you have any other questions. Cheers.

You can buy some extrution and drill it out and bolt it to your rig then mount the legs to the ae

Thanks for watching! I don’t believe it will work with the GT Track. You’d need to somehow adapt the brackets to bolt directly onto a steel tube rather than an aluminum channel. I can’t see how that would work, unfortunately. Although I suppose you COULD drill through the base from top to bottom and get custom length bolts to attach the springs to the chassis base directly, but it would be a lot of work

@@SimRacing604 Yeah that's what I figured. Looking at the mounting brackets, a direct mount to the GT-TRACK is possible. I will look into this more 🤔. Always love new ideas for rig improvement and this is one of them haha. Appreciate the feedback bro. Have a great day.

I'm 290lbs and don't have monitors mounted to my rig. I bought this kit, and with the stiffest springs in the kit under my seat, the springs are completely sacked. Metal on metal, springs fully compressed.

@@noname-gp6hk You might be able to get stiffer springs of those specs somewhere or get custom ones made. Granted you might need stronger LFE drivers for stiffer springs.

Has nothing to do with motion, its isolating the vibrations.

Oh. Great point. I think wheels may negate some of the “floating” effects that make this system work, but you’re right, having the ability to keep your rig mobile is a consideration.

@@SimRacing604 maybe they could integrate caster wheels into there bracket/spring mount. I currently use the sim labs casters on my rig so it can be moved to one side when not in use. I’m not interested in a full motion rig, I have the next level racing seat mover which I think does everything I need perfect but this looks like a great idea. By the way a have some vibration pucks in my seat and had a similar issue with a usb sound card and sim hub. In the end I enabled all ports for 7.1 and then just moved one of the audio cables to another socket. It is a strange windows issue that comes up every so often for me.

I do have the Logitech DD

@@SimRacing604 great so I'll look out for a full ACC race video. Locked on mate.

This is true i always crank up my rears more get a gokart affect, going to adjust now thanks.

My recommendation is to reach out to Slip Angle and ask the question. They can probably arrange for stronger springs, worst case.

@@SimRacing604 I appreciate the quick response. I’ll reach out to them today.

They only add about 15mm to the height once compressed, we wanted to keep the rig low.

It’s difficult to show. It’s vibrations

They don't, springs is only to isolate the vibrations from the floor.

I imagine it would, yes