Cool words!

Closer to a Bofors 40mm., especially in function of the rammer, but totally adapted for a small arm, in the Bofors the massive cartridges were short-stroked forward and hit home via inertia, with intermediate cartridges in a firearm which could be fired from any position, it's not a good idea, gravity and other forces would affect it, so he made the rammer go all the way home! Genius design all-around.

If you think about it, it is about as complex as the Madsen, but it's also a bullpup.

well said good sir!

@@olekzajac5948 I was thinking about the old Madsen machinegun when I saw the bolt moving here. Another gun which was extremely ahead of its time.

That could be easily mitigated by either lengthening the barrel slightly, so the case fall on the barrel and to the side, or adding a profiled damp to force them to the side.

@bacorable there is no way the case could interfer with the bullet, absolutly no way

I’m trying to draw the system but it’s so confusing I wish the video was slower and they took more time so I could draw it better but hey, at least I understand how it works

@@thebadlander3608 You can progress frame by frame on desktop by using period and comma keys. And slow down the playback in the menu.

​@@thebadlander3608You know you can slow down the video right?

wouldn't even work the bullets would just hit the casing flying out unless the bullets fires before it comes out

@@Kadencabs there are close to a dozens guns with a similar design that work why don't you think this one would work... Keltic RFB , FN 2000 , are two that come to mind immediately. Sure the barrel is very short but I think with an addition of a suppressor this would be a great gun in fact that muzzle looks like it was designed to have a quick detach muzzle device like a suppressor,. By the way Korobov is the one who designed the magazine for the AK-47, he gave kalashnik of his magazines and Kalashnikov modified the AK to accommodate them since the magazines that Kalashnikov was previously using were more prone to failure..

@@Kadencabs also if you look at the design the injection gate has a spring on it and I'm sure that would be enough to deflect the cases to the side enough so they would not be aligned with the projectile. Also Korobov designed several quick detached muscle devices including suppressors that or similar to the osprey suppressors that are offset. Similar to the original Maxim suppressor..

@@Kadencabs also wouldn't even work as a strong statement... I think saying I don't think it would work would be more appropriate.. but I would disagree with both statements regardless,, is it the most practical weapon, no,, it would be prone to more chances of failure, highly likely , is it the an original very interesting engineering design, absolutely. Did Korobov designe innovative weapons that were in many ways very advanced in their forethought and possible use.. absolutely.. like I said I think Korobov was one of the most interesting designers , he designed many other mechanisms that were very original in their design and approach.. I think he would have been a magnificent teacher that would teaches students to think outside the boundaries and not to limit themselves to standardization of design.

@@Kadencabsit worked, well.

I'm sure all of this stuff was declassified long ago, it's just that they don't let any random guy dis-assemble museum pieces, but Max is known enough for him to be allowed to do so I assume.

But you can understand them, because no-one thought that someone could come up with something so complex and functional lol.

I understand why, this is a very unconventional approach, Korobov was really thinking outside of the box with this design. Can you imagine this thing in 5.45mm or 5.56mm? I think this design could be adapted into a very competitive modern rifle.

When they first popped up on the internet, I knew they were real because they in a museum, but I still couldn't wrap my head around the mechanism on how it fed without the bolt exiting the rear of the stock..

@@thermionicemission6355 I think one of the main problem is the magazine placement. Even with bullpup rifles you can see there is some distance between the end of the stock and the magazine however with this gun the magazine is right at the end of the stock which means under normal circumstance there would be no space for the bolt to cycle the rounds. Obviously there is a solution for that(as shown in the video) however, we wouldn't know it.

Honestly the guys at FN probably hadn't even heard of the TKB, or any other prototype soviet bullpups given the whole Cold War making access to russian records pretty much non existent.

What wouldst thou think about the H&K G11 K2? I think hits design swayed later bullpups...

I would be surprised if anyone at FN, or anyone at all in Belgium, had even heard as much as a description of the TKB. The only chance for a Westerner to have seen this beauty in those times must have been if they were a spy embedded in Russian arms design. If FN knew about the TKB and how it worked, I think that the F2000 might have actually copied some of its more unconventional elements, maybe even the vertically traveling bolt.

@@volvagianintendo6465 The amazing thing about it is the mechnism, however unlike what we're told it was not designed by anyone over at H&K, the design was either bought or taken from an independent german inventor, because some people found a patent of it dating back to before H&K got their hands on it. Not that relevant but, imo an important note. Even if we are to assume it's dispersion in the hyperburst was low, the overheating of the chamber, the bulkiness and the really high recoil after each shot or burst are problems that I believe would have made it worse than one would think when first looking at it. The main one is overheating though, there's a reason the soviets dropped all research into caseless like a decade before any other military started talking about it and with such a chamber, the issues are multiplied. That's why the LMG version of H&K G-11 is a bit suspicious, but maybe it had some heat-spreading methods? I don't think there's any good pictures or info on it so not sure. Negatives aside, I think it's real interesting / impressive and superior in most ways to what was used at the time by most of europe but I'm not sure I can agree with the swaying later bullpups statement though, in what way do you mean this? It did influence many other caseless projects though and was perhaps the most "ready" caseless firearm at the time. I think it's mechanism could actually be downscaled today and be absolutely amazing for PDWs and such, ultra-compact, without the delayed recoil though as that increases the size and dispersion is less of a concern for your typical DPW use. Basically, I see the G-11 as something which was made worse than what it could have been, I think H&K perhaps even ruined the incredible design they got ahold of by not making multiple different power version fo the first, diversifying basically. The real killer (which is influenced by outdated military beliefs) is the above-intermediate cartridge power, had they worked with something with less recoil & less heat production, most of the negatives would be irrelevant. It's a cool piece of history though, and as much as I crapped on H&K, if someone else would have attempted it maybe the funding wouldn't even be there / they wouldn't bother, so other companies perhaps wouldn't have even done anything with the design.

Browning designs aren't exactly advanced. I find them to be sensible straightforward and very stout. But not complex.

Actually, he designed a bullpup during WW2, which competed against the AK, but lost due to a few issues, also bullpups weren't seen as a good idea then so even if he made a perfect one the Ak would have won either way, in my opinion.

Yeah. And this design literally asks for a mag on the top of the stock

no, actually they never where ahead of anyone. Korobov was an interesting dude however, unlike other boring russian/soviet copy-pasters.

@@levanpkh6882 lol, balanced-action rifles, semi-auto WW2 rifles with automatic fire mode, shifted recoil rifles...yeah, never and boring)

@@saint_alucardwarthunder759 stick to playing warthunder

@@levanpkh6882 stick to copy-pasting myths about soviet copy-pasters

Из-за ненадёжности и трудностей устранения задержек.

Kriss vector too, i think

Tkb 0146 internal was published on kalashnikov magazine and can be found on TFB by hrachya h in english.

@@cgdg7075 Thanks

I don't think there was even a functional prototype of the smerch and little is known about it

The main "problem" was it was way too ahead of it's time, really the only legitimate issue the army mentioned was that it was rear-heavy, the only other problem they had was worries of it not surviving storage, which now we know is not an issue, since polymer guns are the norm now, not to mention only a short while after these guns were designed USSR adopted mags made of the same material, so..

@@thermionicemission6355 The main problem was that it is too complex and had to many intricate parts to mass produce, and would’ve been a PITA to field strip. Way too much of expensive nightmare to get these into the hands of every Soviet soldier. Complex guns are never good for a nation’s main infantry force. Simple, cost effective, and rugged designs that get the job done (like the venerable AK) will always be superior. No military now or in the future will ever adopt such a complex design. Special forces are the only place it would find it’s niche, like how the AN-94 did to an extent. It’s an amazing feat of engineering, especially for its time. But it’s just too convoluted to be a viable standard rifle.

⁠@@xthee_0nly_1x11it’s actually fairly simple, it’s just that the USSR was fairly conservative militarily and relied heavily on poorly trained conscripts which is why they also refused to adopt an earlier design by Korobov which was a delayed blowback competitor to the AKM which was better but refused on the basis that Soviet troops would need to be retrained on it (keep in mind it was also very similar to the AK ergonomically and economically it wouldn’t have required much if any new tooling aside from stamping which they were already swapping over to for the AKM). The only complex part of this gun is how it extracts spent cartridges, a simpler solution would just to do what the Kel-tec RBD does and just drop them down behind the mag. However this is the simplest bolt design for a gun as it’s a falling block, the gas system isn’t even there to move the bolt but to simply extract the rounds which a falling block is normally unable to do in a semi-auto configuration.

необычная конструкция,да но не часы с кукушкой все таки. По-моему.

@@user-yv7og2mj7j Да. Часы с кукушкой - это механизм H&K G11. Буквально.

Это у F2000 гильзы выбрасываются как у ТКБ022! Надо быть точнее в высказываниях! Конструктор А2000 был ещё в сперме у своего папочки,когда ТКБ Коробова разрабатывался.

I found a sketch of it's internals somewhere, but even with that I was still unable to guess it correctly, the sketch made it look like it was open-bolt and the rocket which hits the primer was actuated by the bottom arm hitting against the chamber, but here we see a totally different thing with a linear hammer. So, even with partial sketches available the design was hard to predict!

Korobov woke up that day and decided to bulpup a bulpup, we need more like him today and Keltech can only do so much

вроде это один из вариантов, потому что видел схему ТКБ-022ПМ, где гильза выбрасывается вниз

@@user-pp2xm4jf1j вариант который долго ходил по интернету, кустарно нарисованный с выбросом гильзы вниз сильно надуманный. У ткб 022пм не возможен выброс гильзы вниз. Слишком плотная компоновка.

@@user-pp2xm4jf1j Этот вариант - отсебятина того, кто не зная конструкции просто предположил такую схему.

well, I'd say that it's a possibility ;)

I wish someone would clone this thing. Surely the patent has expired by now, right?

@@theflyingwelshman5338 cohort, I bet you're right. I might try and do one

Could it be that you just watched the "Ak-Guy"? If yes, Servus!