EXPELLED! Is Anti-Zionism Now ILLEGAL in the Labour Party? | Stephen Marks & Jenny Manson

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Palestine Deep Dive

Palestine Deep Dive

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Stephen Marks is Jewish member of Jewish Voice for Labour. He is a former county councillor and was previously elected to the Labour Party’s National Constitutional Committee.
Jenny Manson is a British Jewish activist, author, former civil servant, former Labour Party councillor for Colindale on Barnet London Borough Council, and co-chair of Jewish Voice for Labour.
Interview recorded on Wednesday 24th January.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:54 - Stephen Marks’ case
08:23 - Why was Stephen singled out?
14:40 - The brutality of Stephen’s case from the Labour Party
18:53 - Where does this case go now?
24:24 - Zionism and anti-Zionism within the British Jewish community
29:06 - The differing opinions on Israel amongst Jewish people
33:40 - The treatment of British Jews critical of Israel in the Labour Party in the UK
38:53 - The weaponisation of antisemitism in the Labour Party
45:20 - ‘This has degraded our politics and journalism’

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@PalestineDeepDive
@PalestineDeepDive 4 ай бұрын
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@Jean-rg4sp
@Jean-rg4sp 4 ай бұрын
*As a retired history schoolteacher I spent decades of my adult life resisting antisemitism personally and in the classroom, you can imagine how shocked I was to be told that my criticism of Zionism and the treatment of Palestinians means that I am now officially a **_new_**-antisemite according to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.*
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 4 ай бұрын
Me too. The intellectual laziness is off the charts
@ashleywilson2072
@ashleywilson2072 4 ай бұрын
Is it too late to become a fervent Zionist? I don't want people to think I'm racist. Maybe it's time for a change. Get with the groove and get on the Starmer bus. Forget the Palestinians and the Muslims. That's yesterday's fight. Sing the new Starmer song. There's no room in today's Labour Party for racism. Hooray for Starmer!
@sineadadamus2099
@sineadadamus2099 4 ай бұрын
Wow! 😣😣😣
@irajt5667
@irajt5667 4 ай бұрын
Palestinians can also be Christian and Jewish. Perhaps educate yourself first before jumping on a racist bandwagon.@@ashleywilson2072
@hitkid2456
@hitkid2456 4 ай бұрын
They're the true antisemites, little do they know.
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
Jewish Voices for Labour are heroes of truth and justice. I am proud to have shaken their hands, hugged them and cried with them on the Pro Palestinian marches. Keep strong.
@paulmcgrath3835
@paulmcgrath3835 4 ай бұрын
As a member of JVP for years I support the Jewish community who are against the Zionist occupation of Palestinian lands
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
I will look out for a JVP banner and come and say hello on the next march.@@paulmcgrath3835
@DR_1_1
@DR_1_1 4 ай бұрын
Be aware that only Jews are allowed to be pro-peace... And even them are at risk if they become too prominent, see what happened to Begin!
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Paul, you have my respect and will look out for your colleagues to shake their hands on the next march.@@paulmcgrath3835
@magdatheuns1566
@magdatheuns1566 4 ай бұрын
I pity the people of Britain, what is left for them to vote on? Esp. not Tory nor Labour. Ken Loach also attacked. Shame. Shame.
@beachcomber1able
@beachcomber1able 4 ай бұрын
I am fortunate enough to live in Scotland so can vote SNP. 🙂
@AlleLamb
@AlleLamb 4 ай бұрын
Same in the USA, republicans or democrats are all bought by the Jewish lobbies
@annychest718
@annychest718 4 ай бұрын
We still have Jesus.. or is that antisemite❓
@beachcomber1able
@beachcomber1able 4 ай бұрын
@@annychest718 Is Jesus standing for Labour. 🤔
@suegrabbitandrun
@suegrabbitandrun 4 ай бұрын
not at all but remember who killed him@@annychest718
@helenhawari9171
@helenhawari9171 4 ай бұрын
Well done Stephen and Jenny . Millions are with you - keep up the struggle !
@rogerboniface8086
@rogerboniface8086 4 ай бұрын
Children on bicycles are shouting.. "Genocide Labour" When they pass the Labour Office.Labour is a dead brand. Just leave the party. Stop struggling agsinst the impossible. You only have one life.
@AlleLamb
@AlleLamb 4 ай бұрын
Wow, they scream that?! I’m glad we are all waking up, finally!
@ranapour
@ranapour 4 ай бұрын
No one needs to leave Labour Party. Zionists need to be exposed to who they are and to what they stand for. Zionists are the most corrupting force in UK politics and they are doing serious damage to UK.
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
........ and maintain your self respect.
@stephenholmes1036
@stephenholmes1036 4 ай бұрын
Where is that? Not in Cornwall!
@gordonwellard1415
@gordonwellard1415 4 ай бұрын
Labour has turned Stalinist.....no chance of socialism under Labour now....vote socialist not Labour...or vote for a peace party....
@HTownCharlieBrown
@HTownCharlieBrown 4 ай бұрын
People are more afraid of being called a name, than maintaining their honor, integrity and morals. It's pure cowardice.
@LayLoow
@LayLoow 4 ай бұрын
Labour has gone to the Gutter Am voting for George Galloway one of the few with integrity and speaks up with ❤
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
I wish I had such an option.
@user-ib8hi3om3m
@user-ib8hi3om3m 4 ай бұрын
God help Rochdale if anyone is thinking of giving George ( I think I'm a cat) Galloway
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people might be thinking god help UK society and democracy if the labour or conservative party are unchallenged.@@user-ib8hi3om3m
@rebeccacorser-wallace9885
@rebeccacorser-wallace9885 4 ай бұрын
For me George is all about George I'm not a fan
@peterwaine923
@peterwaine923 4 ай бұрын
I was a member of Labour for 40 yearsvof my current 60 years of life and I can tell you now that for the 40 years of my membership Labour was in the gutter then, after the Corbyn disgrace, tarring him an antisemiye in order to get rid of him, a complete and utter lie, i had enough of labour, more bloody tory and anti socialist than the conservatives.
@emilymorton6510
@emilymorton6510 4 ай бұрын
Antizionism is protected under law 'A disciplinary hearing found the lecturer Professor David Miller, who had worked as a professor of political sociology, “did not meet the standards of behaviour” expected of university staff. I am also very proud that we have managed to establish that anti-Zionist views qualify as a protected belief under the UK Equality Act' Prof Miller launched employment tribunal proceedings claiming unfair dismissal, breach of contract and discrimination or victimisation on grounds of religion or belief. At the conclusion of proceedings, Prof Miller successfully claimed discrimination “based on his philosophical belief that Zionism is inherently racist, imperialist, and colonial, a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010”, his legal representatives, Rahman Lowe, announced on Monday. “This judgment establishes for the first time ever that anti-Zionist beliefs are protected in the workplace,” the firm said.
@ranapour
@ranapour 4 ай бұрын
So why Jeremy Corbyn was kicked out of the Party?
@emilymorton6510
@emilymorton6510 4 ай бұрын
@@ranapour He hasn't been "kicked out of the Party" he's a Labour Party member
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
Professor Miller's ruling is very recent. Perhaps JC can now go to the same employment tribunal? O better still get the funding to start his own party.@@ranapour
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux 4 ай бұрын
That is great. All those expelled on those grounds should be informed. But move on from.that remnant of an occupied has been party and build a real socialist and anti fascist party.
@victormeidan1062
@victormeidan1062 4 ай бұрын
​@@ranapour Corbyn should start his own party, called The Old Codgers Party. Its main slogan must be: "Corbyn - An unelectable Marxist Twit you can Trust"
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl 4 ай бұрын
Being pro Palestine and anti genocide is not being anti semitism. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
@ebillyboi
@ebillyboi 4 ай бұрын
It's very important to stop the rise and acceptance of anti semetism in current uk socialist political movements..and is realised in comparison with the national socialists of germany 1930s the NAZI party ..Hitler historically shows .. formerly known as the german workers party...there national socialist ideology destroyed six million jews....holocaust
@victormeidan1062
@victormeidan1062 3 ай бұрын
In a completely artificial, non-real World, the 2 things are completely separate. But in reality, being pro-balestine means Jihadis running around Israel killing people.
@kenjack6674
@kenjack6674 4 ай бұрын
This was an excellent debate thank you 😊..aren't the so called Labour Party...Truly Disgusting ?
@user-gn8lm3xy4j
@user-gn8lm3xy4j 4 ай бұрын
I would describe them as genocidal maniac supporters.
@jayneyaghmour7320
@jayneyaghmour7320 4 ай бұрын
Excellent interview, thank you. I hope justice is served for these two wonderful people.
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl 4 ай бұрын
I applaud BOTH these people for speaking up for JUSTICE & FREE SPEECH
@Eagel999
@Eagel999 4 ай бұрын
WELL DONE JENNY. LET THE COURT TAKE THE CASE. I HOPE THERE IS STILL JUSTICE IN UK.
@etiennebunbury1285
@etiennebunbury1285 4 ай бұрын
The courts were created to serve the interest of the ruling elite.
@SH-cu9rc
@SH-cu9rc 4 ай бұрын
Good bye Labour. Starmer can do what he wants. When the election comes, he's going to learn something new.
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
I hope and pray.
@billyandrew
@billyandrew 4 ай бұрын
It's rare to see a high profile figure snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but this is Kid Starver we're talking about.
@douglasmacari8707
@douglasmacari8707 4 ай бұрын
@@billyandrewIndeed, the last example was another right winger who dressed himself 'leftist' in order to control the party. He was eviscerated at the election which did indeed 'snatch defeat from the jaws of victory'. He was, of course, the elder Kinnock.
@huolalupin6008
@huolalupin6008 3 ай бұрын
Yes, he’s going to win.
@patrickwhite4151
@patrickwhite4151 4 ай бұрын
What the hell. Mind you anyone who is pro Palestine is supposedly anti semitic. We need a radical shake up in our party.
@cdean2789
@cdean2789 4 ай бұрын
Prof David Miller was found to have been wrongfully dismissed by the University of Bristol in October 2021.
@matldn2697
@matldn2697 4 ай бұрын
So being a loyal person to the UK is no longer part of the Labour party.
@ashleywilson2072
@ashleywilson2072 4 ай бұрын
You can be loyal to the UK. You simply need to jettison all those silly old socialist ideas. Join Starmer, me and Netanyahu for the new Labour ideals.
@den264
@den264 4 ай бұрын
In the USA there are hundreds of dual citizens who openly say they are one issue people, ie. Israeli people. The same could be said about Britain.
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml 4 ай бұрын
​@@ashleywilson2072 Oh right - comic ! "...dont let me be misunderstood !" "The Animals" C1964
@onalos1271
@onalos1271 4 ай бұрын
Nope, you must swear allegiance to Israel! All hail our masters the Israelis!
@matldn2697
@matldn2697 4 ай бұрын
that is why most people refuse to vote, they see zios in the media who smile at open genocide in the ME and censor the facts@@onalos1271
@M10FUN
@M10FUN 4 ай бұрын
great job guys
@lawrencenoctor2703
@lawrencenoctor2703 4 ай бұрын
A life long Labour supporter, I wont vote for a party lead by Starmer. He belongs in the tories.
@user-qf1zg4zz8j
@user-qf1zg4zz8j 4 ай бұрын
He belongs in the Knesset
@user-gn8lm3xy4j
@user-gn8lm3xy4j 4 ай бұрын
I left when the Labour Party became pro racist (Al Jazeera Files) anti-Palestine (now supporting genocide), Islamaphobic! I wish the MP who stood up and condemned Labour had walked out of the chamber instead of apologising.😢
@lawrencenoctor2703
@lawrencenoctor2703 4 ай бұрын
@@user-qf1zg4zz8j I stand corrected, thanks mate.👍
@MrSillenomis
@MrSillenomis 4 ай бұрын
He belongs in prison minimum
@DR_1_1
@DR_1_1 4 ай бұрын
All Weastern governments belong to the Knesset. Do not fall for the fake opposition, even the Greens, despite their official position in many countries, they are all talk, nothing behind it. Just like Erdogan, Saudis, Egypt, BTW! who still provide oil and corridors to Tel-Aviv, to bypass the blocus in the Red Sea, despite their big mouths against Netanyahu!!!
@fidomusic
@fidomusic 4 ай бұрын
This channel should have far more subscribers.
@clarewillison9379
@clarewillison9379 4 ай бұрын
Feels like truth, integrity and decency have been proscribed by the current regime. Denying natural justice to those accused with a so-called human rights lawyer at the helm (including right to face accuser(s), clear evidence of alleged offence, timely due process etc and right of appeal) brings the U.K. legal profession into disrepute.
@Gone893
@Gone893 4 ай бұрын
Long may these peoples voices be heard. Thank you.
@roryocarroll2843
@roryocarroll2843 4 ай бұрын
What a refreshing interview with such enlightened intelligent people. The Labour Party should be about inclusivity which enshrines freedom of speech and expression, the basis of any free democratic society. Instead it would appear to be moving toward a communist party of the Cold War era led by bullies. Here’s to freedom of speech and expression and truth and justice
@catherinewalks1207
@catherinewalks1207 4 ай бұрын
Hopefully the finding in Prof David Miller's case that anti-Zionism is a protected status will help. A fascinating discussion, thank you. As a non-Jewish Labour member brought up never to criticise Israel and to abhor antisemitism, going through the accusation mill has been painful but educative. I've emerged with a more sophisticated understanding of settler-colonialism in general and Israel/Palestine in particular. I stand with the Palestinians, I criticise the state of Israel. Being in Labour during the Corbyn years was also to witness the paroxysm of rage at his election becoming entrenched and structural, until now it seems to be almost a founding reason for the existence of the party, at least at the top. You all discussed aspects of this eloquently, but it is difficult to capture the obscene absurdities, brutality and toxicity such a mal-functioning organisation exhibits. Jenny mentioned that not all in the press are unaware of this, but will anyone in the mainstream report on what they themselves were a part of? And has Labour sown the seeds of its own collapse, or will it be just fine without all our votes?
@cdean2789
@cdean2789 4 ай бұрын
This subsequently led to disciplinary proceedings and he was dismissed from his role on 1 October 2021 after a hearing found he "did not meet the standards of behaviour" expected of university staff. Prof Miller then later launched employment tribunal proceedings. He claimed his belief that Zionism is "inherently racist, imperialist, and colonial" was a philosophical belief, a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010. Zillur Rahman, who represented the academic at the tribunal, said his client has been "vindicated" and the "landmark case" marked "a pivotal moment in the history of our country for those who believe in upholding the rights of Palestinians".
@den264
@den264 4 ай бұрын
I have seen more criticism towards Belgium, the Netherlands, Britain, Spain, Canada and the USA over their colonial sins than against Israel, on the internet. Most of the recent criticism against Israel has come since they started their Genocidal attacks in Gaza. We are closing in on a time where conceivably, Israel may well be found guilty of genocide by the ICC. Under those conditions, how can anyone in the world label someone for criticizing a Genocidal nation, antisemitic !
@joany531
@joany531 4 ай бұрын
Colonialism caused the problem we have with zionists now
@billyandrew
@billyandrew 4 ай бұрын
Few, if any, in Israel are Semites. They are of khazar ashkenazi stock, from Eastern Europe, converts to judaism, in the 9th century, given a choice, following defeat in battle, of taking up one of the three Abrahamic religions or being put to death. They opted for Judaism. Testing, by a team of geneticists, several years ago, confirmed this. Testing was also conducted on their Palestinian neighbours, who were found to be descendants of Canannites(?) The knesset banned DNA testing, thereafter, while the professor and his team were vilefied! All were Jews. Ironic that some of the converts have taken to slaughtering their adopted god's 'chosen'!
@Eagel999
@Eagel999 4 ай бұрын
You must get this to the public, by any means.
@marcobsomer5574
@marcobsomer5574 4 ай бұрын
ne pas avoir le même avis que le mainstream est devenu inadmissible en Europe. Exemples : Russie, covid, effets secondaires, antisionisme,.....1948, 1917.... Les fausses valeurs occidentales. M Sunak a affirmé que vax était sûr ... Orwell 84. Démocratie ?????où ? Bonne émission
@derekmab7734
@derekmab7734 4 ай бұрын
The western world biggest problem is that they tend to condemn something awful as if they have learnt from it not to repeat it ever again then after a certain time they go back to what they blamed and support it. That's racism, fascism, genocide etc. This is a clear evidence that they do not have a divine guidance to follow to tell them what is right and what wrong. They are astray or no sense of righteous direction.
@BrRizzy1
@BrRizzy1 4 ай бұрын
So tragic. All the good people are being kicked out of the party. No one with a conscience remains :(
@user-wd6ni4xu4n
@user-wd6ni4xu4n 4 ай бұрын
Why are people not allowed to criticise Jews. If they’re doing something wrong.
@junehartley2770
@junehartley2770 4 ай бұрын
In our thousands and our millions we are all Palestinians think on Kieth
@den264
@den264 4 ай бұрын
Je suis en Palestinian !
@ingridhildebrandt8053
@ingridhildebrandt8053 4 ай бұрын
As long as Sunak has financial interests and he or his wife are engaged in the future exploiting of a big gas-and oilfield offshore of gaza, he will be on Netanjahu's side and will not allow critical voices.
@andersstook3273
@andersstook3273 4 ай бұрын
In a fair world the zion...s should be expelled from the Labour party. But then the entire leadership had to go.🤣
@joany531
@joany531 4 ай бұрын
Are you aware that zionists are mainly ashkenazi and originate from western europe. Have nothing to do with the land that they took
@Cacbo774
@Cacbo774 4 ай бұрын
Highest respect and Irish hugs to both Jenny and Stephen.❤ Right is always Right. The person who sees an injustic and does nothing about it is as Guilty as the Aggressor.
@ashleyKennedy5
@ashleyKennedy5 4 ай бұрын
Erskine Barton Childers. (11 March 1929 - 25 August 1996) was an Irish writer, BBC correspondent and United Nations senior civil servant. "The Other Exodus", Spectator Archive 12th May 1961.
@geoff3775
@geoff3775 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying !.. (grandson of the author of "The Riddle of the Sands")
@preapple
@preapple 4 ай бұрын
Anti Zionism is not anti semitism
@victormeidan1062
@victormeidan1062 4 ай бұрын
What is the idea behind antiZionism ? You get up in the morning, curse Israel, pray against it, wish it disappears, set up websites, meetings and conferences to plan it's destruction. Then, you boycott them by not buying Jaffa oranges in the supermarket. Doing that is not going to do alot is it ?
@3bi5cuit5
@3bi5cuit5 4 ай бұрын
What has been weaponised is the Holocaust. The so-called "International Holocaust remembrance Association" (IHRA) was I believe invented at the time of Corbyn's leadership bid. That is the power behind the accusation of antisemitism.
@freddymzungu
@freddymzungu 4 ай бұрын
It’s Mcarthyism UK style. Time to abandon mainstream media.
@allypoum
@allypoum 4 ай бұрын
Solidarity with Stephen and Jenny and all the other brave and principled (ex) Labour members making a stand for Palestinian rights. Solidarity with Palestine.
@TheSashapooch
@TheSashapooch 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Jenny and Stephen! Brave people of integrity and compassion. Thank you for Palestine Deep Dive! Much needed and much appreciated.
@ginob6062
@ginob6062 4 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I left the Labour Party two years ago.
@mhhd77
@mhhd77 4 ай бұрын
Next on the list: anti-colonialism,, anti-fascism, anti-apartheid,...
@andrewhoult4630
@andrewhoult4630 4 ай бұрын
the disabled and the poor in this country need to protect us and all the British people's rights
@leswatts8422
@leswatts8422 4 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion . Great insights . Im just soooo frustrated with Labour even though I was never a member
@annychest718
@annychest718 4 ай бұрын
hate is not a crime when it comes to baby killers and peds
@rebeccacorser-wallace9885
@rebeccacorser-wallace9885 4 ай бұрын
I have been a member of the Labour party since I was old enough and active with in the Labour party since I could walk. I always felt the Labour party stood up for the vulnerable in society. I don't feel that anymore. I cant sit by watching whats going on in Palestine. I honestly don't know how anyone can think whats going on there is ok. As a mother I just can't closs my eyes to the loss of all the children. I feel so lost for what to do.
@Himmelhauser
@Himmelhauser 4 ай бұрын
Suppprting the expulsion of Chris Williamson & Jackie Walker opened the door to these actions.
@ianwoodywoodwoof345
@ianwoodywoodwoof345 4 ай бұрын
An excellent discussion and I wish Stephen and Jenny every success in Steven's case.
@ElisabeteBelisio
@ElisabeteBelisio 4 ай бұрын
Great debate . Thank you all for sharing these very important informations 💚🖤🤍❤️
@user-wd6ni4xu4n
@user-wd6ni4xu4n 4 ай бұрын
How powerful are these people. A sense of justice. Where’s the justice for the Palestinians.
@edwardbernays8514
@edwardbernays8514 4 ай бұрын
It is such a shame the voice of Palestinian Deep Dive is unheard in the mainstream. Brilliant and erudite work…❤
@dinasun3
@dinasun3 4 ай бұрын
Why should the British passing any laws for a foreign state? Does the Knesset pass any laws against anti Christian or anti muslims ? The answer is NO !
@tiggero6690
@tiggero6690 3 ай бұрын
It just turns a blind eye to offences against them. Even when it is forced to act, the most any Israeli gets is a laughable sentence, later commuted, while Palestinian children get held without trial for throwing rocks at armoured vehicles
@nbach2202
@nbach2202 4 ай бұрын
Before it was legal, now it it isn't What's worse?
@billyandrew
@billyandrew 4 ай бұрын
It isn't illegal anywhere, much less in a political party, as we witnessed in a recent legal case, so I cannot see how the party could enforce the policy. Antisemitism is, quite rightly, illegal, however, judaism is a religion, whereas zionism is a racist political ideology and legally open to criticism. Besides, DNA testing, conducted several years ago, by Jewish geneticists, conclusively proved few in Israel are Semites, originating from khazar ashkenazi stock, in Eastern Europe, whereas their Palestinian neighbours are of Canaanite (?) ancestry. The professor and his team were vilefied, while the knesset banned DNA testing outright!
@Eagel999
@Eagel999 4 ай бұрын
Jenny and Stephen YOU ARE GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE WHO DO GOD'S WELL: PEACE ON EARTH. GOD MADE ALL PEOPLES EQUAL.
@MsHumble4
@MsHumble4 4 ай бұрын
The Jews I have met were just like the normal People everywhere in the World. I have found the ones I have met to be very nice. To say that I am anti-whatever is wrong. I am not with the genocide of any race. I deeply feel for what has been happening to Palestinians for years no end. I also am against what happened on the 7th of October. My Father was a pro-Israel ONLY because there wasn’t freedom of speech. The Newspapers told everyone a different story. * Governments AND People aren’t the same. Lots of Jews AND even some Rabis have been telling us about the horrible crimes by the present Government in Israel.
@jonathaneffemey944
@jonathaneffemey944 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting
@darrellernst5493
@darrellernst5493 4 ай бұрын
I recently received a hate speech warning from You Tube and I hadn't said anything hateful in the comments. I was merely stating facts regarding the israel-palestine situation.
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 4 ай бұрын
And any discussion here in the comment section will be redacted so heavily that its pointless saying any thing besides sayis pointless. Oh what a tangled Web the zionists weaved when at first they practiced to delete
@LayLoow
@LayLoow 4 ай бұрын
That’s what happens when you give facts
@darrellernst5493
@darrellernst5493 4 ай бұрын
@@LayLoow George Orwell said that in times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. He should have said in times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes an act of hate speech. He also said" If Liberty means anything it's the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
@LayLoow
@LayLoow 4 ай бұрын
@@darrellernst5493 true need to read up on Orwell has some interesting books ✌🏽🇵🇸🇬🇧
@fidomusic
@fidomusic 4 ай бұрын
The same thing happened to me. Same as you I was merely stating historical facts. On two occasions I wasn't allowed to post for, I think it was 19 hours.
@suzannebronson5209
@suzannebronson5209 4 ай бұрын
definitely wont be voting for labour then!
@den264
@den264 4 ай бұрын
If you live near Rochdale please vote for George Galloway who is standing against Starmer in the upcoming byelection at the end of this month.
@suzannebronson5209
@suzannebronson5209 4 ай бұрын
@@den264 wish i could vote for george, but wont stramer inherit votes if he wins?
@SB-dg8hq
@SB-dg8hq 4 ай бұрын
That's yet another reason NOT to vote Labour.
@dansonthetube
@dansonthetube 4 ай бұрын
Preventing the flow of your guests conversation is an unfortunate thing 😇 However, a fascinating conversation of our time 👏
@wot4922
@wot4922 4 ай бұрын
Corbyn should start a new party. I'm sure that people who care about humanity would flock to his party. What a disgrace that a man who actually cares for human rights ( as opposed to Keir Starmer who says he's a Human Rights Lawyer) is left outside in the cold.
@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo
@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo 4 ай бұрын
Well I'm anti Zionist and I am a member of the Labour party so God only help me if Keir Starmer finds out. The thing is anti Zionism is not antisemitism. I stand with the Palestinian people. I feel empathy and compassion for them and I refuse to be told that I'm not allowed to feel this. I can't just turn off my feelings like that and I think you must be incredibly shallow if you can turn off your feelings like that.
@abeeadelpour7837
@abeeadelpour7837 4 ай бұрын
❤your show.
@georgepeel1484
@georgepeel1484 4 ай бұрын
Wonderful, discussion! Thank you, all. How do you think the anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism debate would evolve if neoliberalism were introduced into the discussion? Zionist = neoliberalism. Semitism = anti-neoliberalism - i.e. Socialist. Is that the real discussion to be had? All else is a smokescreen.
@SK-so8fn
@SK-so8fn 4 ай бұрын
We might as well come to terms with what has crept up on many societies as the people were busy striving to be decent and nice. Totalitarianism! It seems we never learned the lessons of history and are now back in a conundrum.
@glynjones5280
@glynjones5280 4 ай бұрын
Freedom of speech springs to mind
@BC-dl8xg
@BC-dl8xg 4 ай бұрын
Surely from the recent David Miller v Bristol Uni case it changes everything?
@shootingsportstransparency7461
@shootingsportstransparency7461 4 ай бұрын
What's wrong with pro humanity
@simonjlkoreshoff3426
@simonjlkoreshoff3426 4 ай бұрын
Upside down world.
@beeret110
@beeret110 4 ай бұрын
Yes
@Eagel999
@Eagel999 4 ай бұрын
Very inteligent, if you get the belive that ATIZIONISM IS A PROTECTED BELIEVE
@shspurs1342
@shspurs1342 4 ай бұрын
YES
@SuperAlanfree
@SuperAlanfree 4 ай бұрын
Jenny is a national treasure.
@susanofferdahl3467
@susanofferdahl3467 4 ай бұрын
No comment about the gas fields I have heard are in the seas of Gaza? I also heard there was oil under the West Bank? Reminds me of Iraq, Libya, Syria ...
@PeterMaranci
@PeterMaranci 4 ай бұрын
So is fighting NeoLabour (for one can hardly call the current party under Starmer "Labour") the only way to resist? Or are there other political options?
@kalaharidw
@kalaharidw 4 ай бұрын
I like the term Vichy Labour.
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux 4 ай бұрын
Have to build again from scratch.
@douglasmacari8707
@douglasmacari8707 4 ай бұрын
@@kalaharidw That's spot on! I'm going to use that term too from now on.
@kpw84u2
@kpw84u2 4 ай бұрын
What the Labour party is doing is tantamount to complicity in war crimes... 🤷🏽‍♂️
@brianc4594
@brianc4594 4 ай бұрын
Labour could well become Likud's branch in Britain.
@masambeni
@masambeni 4 ай бұрын
You cannot protect racism as a protected belief in the UK . You can in the US however because of first amendment issues but only if it does not have a government nexus.
@Mohika881
@Mohika881 4 ай бұрын
The IHRA conflation of anti-Zionism with anti-semitism is part of the issue here. The taboo around criticism of the ideology of Zionism is completely irrational. Judaism and Zionism are completely different things. Equality and freedom of speech are vital cornerstones of just societies. I wholeheartedly support JVL.
@user-nx8ii4ef7f
@user-nx8ii4ef7f 4 ай бұрын
Judaism and zionism are two different things. But the media have been forced to combine them!
@antoniosantoniou8158
@antoniosantoniou8158 4 ай бұрын
Excellent summary. Time for Starmer the dictator to go and his shameful cabinet to step down
@MrSillenomis
@MrSillenomis 4 ай бұрын
Free Palestine and free Assange
@magdatheuns1566
@magdatheuns1566 4 ай бұрын
Please research the political trial of J. Assen by Nils Melzer, & "Secret Power" by St. Maurizi, & "Guilty of journalism by K Gosztola: impossible not to see evil people colluding on evil policies UK/US (role of Sheldon Adelson etc) ... Reminder J. A.opposed wars with all he published, supported by famous people like R.
@magdatheuns1566
@magdatheuns1566 4 ай бұрын
R. Waters....
@stevecourtenay7393
@stevecourtenay7393 3 ай бұрын
Disgrace Labour has been taken over
@rosemorgan7503
@rosemorgan7503 4 ай бұрын
It has been since day one of starmer control.
@etgood6154
@etgood6154 4 ай бұрын
Labour Party mps stick with starmer and your career as a politicians are over.
@antoniosantoniou8158
@antoniosantoniou8158 4 ай бұрын
Shame upon shame for the Chief Rabbi a disgrace
@myrtillesm3532
@myrtillesm3532 4 ай бұрын
1984
@edwardbrady5843
@edwardbrady5843 4 ай бұрын
Forget about the by elections, Labour is finished, the London jews need to get over themselves.
@davidmead6337
@davidmead6337 4 ай бұрын
The definition of "Anti-Zionism" begs the question of what Zionism is and does now. What movers and shakers in Israeli government and financial groups do with the term Zionism also is a politicised rather than well defined process and desired outcome. Shouldn't anyone in the U K be able to question the actions of the present Israeli government without snowflakes who cannot keep defining as victims of the 1940's? We should all speak out against atrocities committed in the present since 1947 without using charged words which cannot be adequately defined. Grow up folks!!!
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl
@sarahmurphy-nf4yl 4 ай бұрын
Its ALSO affected many university students in USA who have no ussues with jewish people but want an END to the GENOCIDE in GAZA and the constant persecution in the West Bank by Isreali soldiers. Thise students are also being labeled antinsemetic when they are NOT & just want an end to the slaughtering of men wimen children and elderly in Gaza and want an end to the perscutiin to all Palestine people in Gaza and the West Bank.
@InterestedInDansk
@InterestedInDansk 4 ай бұрын
I believe Labour will suffer at the Ballot box because of the makeup of it membership
@oliverkirkland6541
@oliverkirkland6541 4 ай бұрын
What should be illegal is foreign interferance,!
@Dakshahathi
@Dakshahathi 4 ай бұрын
Starmer is chilling
@ahsanmir8676
@ahsanmir8676 4 ай бұрын
Labour WELCOME ZIONISTS WITH NO TO GENOCIDE OF PALISTINE. ❤❤❤❤
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 4 ай бұрын
That is the only sensible position.
@Cj-zj7jf
@Cj-zj7jf 4 ай бұрын
Anti-Semitic is a word used so often these days to describe anyone who Israel doesn't like.
@stephensampson9208
@stephensampson9208 4 ай бұрын
Vote Green ..Now
@docastrov9013
@docastrov9013 4 ай бұрын
Plainly the Tories want to send Labour so far to the Right on Israel that the party splits.
@shspurs1342
@shspurs1342 4 ай бұрын
The Labour Party is now to the right of the Conservative Party.
@edwardbrady5843
@edwardbrady5843 4 ай бұрын
This is just so woke, it's like there is anything wrong with calling someone big nose, or a liar.
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