Expensive 3M Sanders are Dying... 3M's Responds
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29 күн бұрынThere is a potential issue with the 3M Xtract Electric Orbital Sanders. I tested the sander myself to find out if it was true. The 3M Xtract Sander is dying on some users and I think I know why.
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@731Woodworks 27 күн бұрын
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@LukedriveitlikearentalRo-ri7tm 23 күн бұрын
Hey can you do a update on the new Milwaukee sanders please the new m12 and m18 and the m12 3in orbital sander please
@TKEverett100 22 күн бұрын
I bought this 3M sander because of your video. Really expensive compared to most. It still works (fingers crossed), but it does sometimes shock me. I also spoke with Jeff from 3M. His first response was to make changes on my end (argh) and it was 6 months out of date. Not until I mentioned what you said on this video did he offer to make some repairs IF I paid for shipping. Just cost me $61.00 ground from AR. Disappointing for such a high-end tool. 😩
@souprmage 27 күн бұрын
Great to see 3M's response. It's never about a product having an issue or not, it's about how the company responds to the issue once it's made aware. And 3M seems to be handling this issue very well. I wouldn't expect anything less from 3M, so it's great to see them adjusting and moving forward.
@MitchellFX5 20 күн бұрын
Great to know I went with festool lol.
@irtnyc 18 күн бұрын
No, it's about competent product design, flawless engineering, and not skimping on manufacturing quality in China just to make an extra buck. No American company should sell expensive tools that breaks to their customers. They should be building tools that will last for decades. A sander should be able to run for hours every day for at least ten years. Separately, running a sander upside down on the bench is not a good test. The sander works a lot harder when... SANDING.
@GasolineBoots 27 күн бұрын
I appreciate that as soon as you realized there was a legitimate issue you took action. Thank you. Integrity and communication are essential and you excel at both. Well done Sir. Please keep up the good work.
@carboranadum 27 күн бұрын
THIS! Indeed...this!
@sk8jesustv964 26 күн бұрын
I just recently started watching his content and this video makes me trust him so much more
@LYTOMIZE_Woodshop 27 күн бұрын
Investigative journalism has died in many markets here in 🇨🇦 due to corporate takeovers and budget cuts in newsrooms of all kinds. The work and research you've put into this is extensive - well done, Sir. I hope you fully publish this video once the holiday weekend is in the rearview mirror! Keep up the great work!
@hansangb 26 күн бұрын
Brother, your country and mine have MAJOR issues with "journalism" and politicians. But I have to admit, it's entertaining watching Poilievre destroying journalists. LOL. No one will accuse of of *not* having his mental faculties.
@jamesmunro9661 8 күн бұрын
@@hansangb BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Okay.
@danrouth8465 26 күн бұрын
Not everyone has the physical ability to operate a palm sander with a dust extraction hose attached. We run ours over a down draft table and they had the same problem within months of use. I bought two of them to replace surfprep sanders. They out performed every sander in the shop when they worked. Great to know that 3m is standing behind this issue. Thanks so much for the video and excellent information you provided sir.
@jlivewell 28 күн бұрын
As usual, your integrity shines through. State the facts, and truth is revealed.
@howardbashinski 27 күн бұрын
First, trust nothing you read in internet reviews, and especially on reddit! I think it depends on when you bought your sander. The earlier ones, and I don't know the dates, have some issues. I had one of these and it stopped working after not much use. 3M paid for me to ship it to them, fixed it, and had it back to me in 5 days. There was an update to the electronics, and again I don't know when. They installed a new electronics board and it has worked fine ever since. It is the best sander I have ever used. 3M support was excellent. Also, I contacted 3M thru the company I bought the sander from. This company facilitated the interaction. Finally, do you know there is a reset procedure for the sander? It's not in the manual but you can get it from 3M. I've never had to use it, but it's there. Love this sander!!
@muddslide8829 27 күн бұрын
This is why I like your chanel, you keep it real for everyone not just your pocket book. Like a lot of other chanels do. Thx Matt
@fidgetshouse 27 күн бұрын
Good job, Matt. You looked out for your audience and put them first. You have a lot integrity.
@d.k.1394 27 күн бұрын
100% agree
@bennolen7801 16 күн бұрын
I now hate my 3M sander. It was fine when I got it. I've never had the overheating problem. Two days before this video came out, I went to use my 3M 5" sander and it was dead. Completely and utterly dead, no lights, no beeps, nothing. The sander has roughly 3-4 hours of use on it, very light usage, still looks new. I contacted Taytools, they started a RMA for me and I shipped it off to 3M. Less than a week later it came back repaired. That was fast! But the excitement was short lived. I plugged it in to the kitchen outlet and it immediately tripped the GFCI. I reset it and tried again, same result. I have tried 3 other GFCIs in the house and they all trip immediately. There is something still wrong with this sander and now I have to ship it off again. Festool can thank for 3M for making a new customer. I ordered a MIDI dust extractor and ETS 125 REQ. After I get over the wallet pain, I'll order a ETS EC which is closer to the 3M.
@tom.coomes 27 күн бұрын
You did a Fantastic job researching the problem areas and putting it all out there for your audience. Thank you for having our by.😁
@scottbyrd2157 27 күн бұрын
Matt, First off thank you for doing this video as I was one that responded to you in emails. As far as static for me I never experienced it as I wear Milwaukee Level 1 cut resistance gloves during my woodworking to avoid splinters and overall protection. The gloves are coated and provide better grip to these applications of small tools. The gloves probably prevented me from feeling the extreme heat felt in handling the sander and also probably prevented me from being shocked. I ordered my sander from Amazon. I would think that they rotate through a volume of this products stock but it may have come from a smaller vendor that may have sent it on behalf of Amazon. Now in defense of your reputation and recommendations I bought this sander based on your reviews. I totally agree that it is a very good sander and even with me using a dedicated shop vacuum and rockler hose the dust collection is amazing and it does perform very good as a sanding standpoint. I experience very little dust compared to my other sander. Pair it with 3m cubitron 2 sandpaper and it’s amazing. Yes I do experience the shut down. Your reviews are very much appreciated. I totally support the honest reviews and still would have bought this sander. As far as 3m goes I have a message for you. Like any company should be don’t oust Matt for bringing this video to light. Honor your product, fix the issue, and your business will grow as you take care of your customers regardless of industry or small businesses. Appreciate Matt for being honest on your product and utilize his insight and information as he conducts this based on the level of possible customer base you have. Future businesses that have products that need a better idea and honest review should consider consulting with Matt as he dives deeper into the level of use of the products and a level that reaches professionally, and small business or home based. There are more small businesses that are reached at Matt’s level. Now Matt I got a question. Is there a model or serial number that would be considered “1st generation “ of these sanders.? I’m afraid I’m going to have to send mine off for repair or replacement as it stops too much for me to continue using slowing my work. Thank you for all you do Matt and I will always value your input on tools I plan to purchase!!!
@brandonkinsey6390 26 күн бұрын
I picked up the 6 in about 6 months ago. This is great that you were able to gather this info for the community in the event I have issues with my Sander. I have had no issues so far but I am running it with dust extraction.
@raygoble274 24 күн бұрын
First, kudos on your testing and discovery of possible issues, including lending it out for a third party to check it out. Second, great job with both the tone and content of your questions to 3M. So many people go straight into an aggressive tone when contacting a manufacturer or vendor, poisoning the interaction. Finally, the response from 3M is notably refreshing and transparent. Kudos to all invloved.
@garymeyers2061 27 күн бұрын
I was one of the respondents to your request about the sander. I've not had a failure but it was interesting to hear about the shocking. I'd forgotten to mention that to you in my reply. I've tolerated it thinking it was just static build up. I now have rubber anti-fatigue matts around the work bench so I'll have to see if the static shocks are still there when I get to the sanding phase of the current project.
@Mark-bn7lk 25 күн бұрын
What a good video! It is a win-win to see a no-nonsense guy like you interact with a big company and to see that company deal openly and honestly with you concerning these issues about their product. We can conclude that 3M is a responsible company. Every product I have of theirs, including this sander, is of good quality. I recently bought a pair of inexpensive 3M safety glasses. They fit my head perfectly, have good clearance for dust masks, and have no odd pressure points around the ears. Their abrasives are beyond compare. Glad to see the issues in this video worked out on a positive note.
@HeliRy 27 күн бұрын
My guess regarding it being an “industrial only” application points to why these failures happen. In an industrial setting you’re guaranteed to see proper dust extraction. The hobbyist… hit or miss. And this thing needs that dust extraction or it’ll fry itself. Not sure why anyone would run a sander without at least a shop vac hooked up to it. Especially given the price of these things. If you can afford one, there is zero excuse to not have something to hook it up to. Kinda like buying a Domino when your only other shop tools are a hammer and a butter knife. 🤷♂️
@Mr.Meme01 26 күн бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking, what kind of guys are buying these high end sanders and not at least connecting a vacuum to them?
@HeliRy 26 күн бұрын
@@Mr.Meme01 I honestly can’t fathom why anyone would ever buy a palm sander for that price lol. I’ve got the same Dewalt one he shows, and it’s awesome. Why on earth would I ever want to pay nearly 8x as much money for something that isn’t even 2x as good? It’s a better sander for sure… but gimme a break lol.
@lancem5965 25 күн бұрын
Once you use an expensive sander for four hours a day you will understand why people buy them
@HeliRy 24 күн бұрын
@@lancem5965 Yeah fair enough lol
@rmcaulif 21 күн бұрын
@HeliRy I had the dewalt sander for several years and upgraded it to the 3M and the difference is significant. Sanding for hours is no longer a problem or painful on the hands. I also just use a shop vac as the dust extraction and that works fine. Never had any of these problems with the 3M thankfully.
@philipzielinski 27 күн бұрын
I appreciate that you completed the investigation before publishing. Shows integrity like journalists should have. Also, good on 3m for redesigning. Fortunately it doesn’t appear there are any injuries or damage. That also is probably why there isn’t a full on recall. As for the “commercial use only” I’ll bet that if they include that disclaimer (though, clearly not enforced) they fall into a different category of safety certification requirements. “Consumer tools” needing one set and “commercial tools” having another.
@rockinrabbi 23 күн бұрын
Thank You Matt, for standing up for us little guys and doing some investigative research. As a wanna-be woodworker, I purchased the sander per your review/recommendation, as I believe you conduct open & honest opinions about the products you use. Please, please don't ever lose that integrity. It's what helps you stand out from others with large, YT followers. Thanks again.
@731Woodworks 23 күн бұрын
thank you
@dwwoodbuilds 27 күн бұрын
Great video Matt! I have the 3M sander and no issues (but I use an extractor). Good information about the issue and thank you for reaching out to 3M and sharing the followup info!! Would love to see a followup review/testing of the new sander with the changes!
@richardwadsworth4259 27 күн бұрын
It's good to hear there are still companies that still don't just get the money and run. That stands behind their products. And address issues. Love the information, and I wouldn't be discouraged about buying a product that a company stands up for quality issues. And not just ignore!
@toddwheeler1526 13 күн бұрын
My makita palm sander and my 2 Porter Cable, Made in the USA, 35 years old, still are in great shape. Brushes, bearings, pads still perfect. These were used professionally for 15 years. I maintain and repair everything, trucks, car, boats, tools, equipment etc etc.
@graywulf19 27 күн бұрын
It's great to see you following up on products you've talked about before. I bought this sander a couple of years ago (I think I actually found out about it from Stumpy Nubs). I don't use it regularly, but when I do, I use it for hours at a time. I haven't had any problems with it but I always use dust collection while sanding, no matter what sander I'm using. Personally I always recommend everyone to use dust collection with sanders; I don't see any reason not to.
@JosephStamper-qp2fb 24 күн бұрын
The Mirka 650 Deros is a great sander. I use it to remove edger marks out of hardwood floors
@Tinkery 24 күн бұрын
Nicely done and well researched sir. I got mine a few years ago and have no regrets!
@Damon_Barber 27 күн бұрын
Excellent video! Very well organized and thought out. As others have stated, 3M’s response makes all the difference.
@guybowers9094 27 күн бұрын
Based on your reviews of both the sander and extractor, I purchased both of them and so far no issues with either one. However, I appreciate the update in case anything does come up
@seanhayes9713 26 күн бұрын
Great video and thanks for reaching out to us users. I also had static shock issues with my pervious shop vac set-up, including Cen-Tec "anti-static" hose. But living in CO at 7600ft the dry air is a challenge. After contacting 3M and asking about anti-static protections in their Extract Dust Extractor, there are actually not any dedicated means of protection (were not at the time of my calling over a year ago), I went the Festool CT Midi I HEPA Dust Extractor that was stated to have internal grounding protections and with the cloth covered hose. I've had ZERO issues with this set up. You can also find 3D files online for a 3M to Festool port adapter, so it works seamlessly.
@milkymakes1 27 күн бұрын
I just got two of the sanders in the last couple weeks. I hope I got the newer ones but I doubt it. Thanks Matt for the work in bringing this to the forefront
@ronswoodshack 28 күн бұрын
Nice work Mighty Matt!!
@731Woodworks 28 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@andrewdunbar6959 27 күн бұрын
My Bosch sander I bought after watching your video shocks me as well. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen. No dust extraction.
@NPOAfterMidnight-ft9zj 26 күн бұрын
Appreciate all the effort you put into this,
@ckcuev 27 күн бұрын
this a great video Matt. when researching to invest in a sander, I looked into this one. I was pumped to get it but I'll admit the reviews I read were less than stellar. That's basically what pushed me away from getting it because the information wasn't there as to what's going on. I ended up getting the festool Random Orbital Sander ETS EC 125/3 EQ-Plus. It's been an amazing sander for me. But now that this video is out I may one day purchase this sander and have the info needed to be confident in the purchase and product to bring to my channel the ce tool den.
@rickpouley7561 27 күн бұрын
I have this sander.. I use a dust extractor, and I had an issue with this sander where the sander quit working for me. I talked with Taylor Tool works and sent the sander to them, and they worked on the sander and sent it back to me. So far I have not had any issues.. I use the sander about 3 times a week sanding cutting boards.. Roughly 50 boards a week..
@SeraphsWitness 26 күн бұрын
Hey man glad to see you got graphics that work for this video. Sorry it didn’t work out between us!
@leif913 27 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks for this. My sander recently failed and I replaced it. Used very good dust extraction and not overusing with very little downward pressure. Definately defective! I already contacted Tay tools where I purchased it. Hopefully I can get it fixed or preferably replaced with a newer model. Thanks again!
@mainewoods1862 27 күн бұрын
I purchased one as soon as they came out. I couldn’t be happier. I also have Bosch sanders GET75 and GEX33 and rate them almost as well. I haven’t run a sander without dust collection in at least a decade. I use either an older Porter Cable tool activated vacuum. Or a Fien dust extractor / vacuum also tool activated. Never been shocked, I have an epoxy floor. I never spend more $ than I have to for my tools and I make my living as a cabinet maker.
@KcSias 27 күн бұрын
I love mine purchased about a year ago however I use dust extraction love this but thank you for the heads up bless you Sir
@bryancampbell8942 27 күн бұрын
Appreciate the video. As someone who bought the sander, the shock problem has been very frustrating. I understand first gen products has issues and have no problem supporting a brand that does the right thing which it sounds like 3m is doing. Kudos to 3m and hopefully they will choose to work with you in the future.
@paynescarpentry 27 күн бұрын
Great video! Love the transparency even though they’ve been a sponsor.
@spencershropshire6895 25 күн бұрын
Mine lasted 1 year, then lights out. I called 3m and they would do nothing about it, said it was beyond warranty. So.....I bought a Festool. I used a dust extraction with it.
@Mr.Rohwer 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I got one right after 3M released it, I could be described as an active hobbyist and have put hundreds of hours on the clock with this sander. I’ve never had an overheating problem, but mine has shocked me from day one. I always thought it was something to do with my dust extraction. Now I’m thinking I may want to try and get it swapped for a newer variant.
@stephanepribble7965 27 күн бұрын
Glad you made the video! I have the same exact sander and I’ve had it 2 years, zero problems with it overheating and shutting off, but it does shock me. Strangely it only shocks me when I sand epoxy. Idk why. But I’m looking forward to the new design! Hopefully 3M will allow us to exchange our older models for the newer better version free of charge.
@plhiatt 19 күн бұрын
Purchased the 5mm orbit 5" version and used in my shop approximately 2 times a week always with dust extractor hooked up. Lasted only 13 months. I did return to 3m through there special set up to repair. Sander came back supposedly fixed, lasted 3 minutes and quit. 3m took the sander back again and was to be totally rebuilt. I received the sander back and have been using the last few months with no issues. This rebuilt version will no longer cut on my Festool dust extractor on the auto setting. I have to manually turn on the extractor. 3m did pay shipping and was quick to turn it around. This was an expensive sander but I needed a 5mm orbit in a 5" sander, festool does not make a 5mm in a 5" only a 6". It does sand quick, and mostly swirl free especially for a 5 mm orbit.
@brianboot8623 23 күн бұрын
I noticed the same thing, you have to use the vacuum. I couldn’t believe how hot it got!
@kenterrell6626 19 күн бұрын
I bought this sander 18 months ago, partially based on 731's review. Mine will overheat after 15 minutes continuous sanding and refuse to start again, I've found that I can 'jump start it' by turning down the speed all the way, spinning the pad by hand and then turning it on while its still spinning. It will speed up properly after it gets running. Yes, I use dust collection and no I dont press down on it. When it works, it works great.
@atulsri100 26 күн бұрын
I had the exact same issue about 2 months ago, roughly 13 months after the purchase. The sander would not turn on and the LEDs would flash a few times. I use sander infrequently, just during weekends. I was very upset as I decided to buy 3M instead of a Festool. So after a lot of looking around, I was able to find the support number your shared. I called it and left a message without much hope of a response. But to my surprise I got a call back from Jeff the same day and though my sander was out of warranty, he said they will repair the sander. I was provided a shipping label and I had the sander back within 3 days. Jeff told me that it was a faulty motherboard. I don’t have a dust extractor but I do use a shop vac connected to a dust deputy. I have a feeling that because of dust deputy, there is loss of airflow.
@maranathamark 26 күн бұрын
I have the 6" version of that sander... after watching your review of it. I've been nothing but pleased with it. That said, I don't use mine as much as many other folks use there, but when I do use it, it's great! Some times I attach my ShopVac to mine when I'm indoors and sometimes I don't (when I'm outdoors), but I've not had it fail yet. I've not noticed it getting too hot, but I'll pay attention from here on out. When I was watching you talk about the issue, I thought a small fan, like is used to keep CPU's cool in computers might be a good solution. Sounds like 3M thought so as well. Making it where you can have access to the cooling fan to clean it, would be a BIG PLUS! Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention! I do enjoy your content a LOT!
@davidwilliams9606 26 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks for the information. I have had my sander since it first came out. I have not had any issues but it's good to know about this in case something comes up later.
@jessaminutesir 22 күн бұрын
I love my sander!! Mine over heated once and then I learned about how important using the dust extractor is. Ever since then, I haven't had any issues.
@boyfromredhook 27 күн бұрын
Matt, kudos to you. You are a champion for consumers. Your honesty is so appreciated. From one God fairing human being to another…..thank you.
@carboranadum 27 күн бұрын
Matt...great video. Thank you for looking after this issue. When this sander came out, it was all the rage. I purchased it after seeing your video among others. I fired it up in my shop connected to my Festool dust extractor and used it for less than 5 minutes. It shocked me a number of times and I blew it off with an air hose and sent it right back for a full refund. My Festool sanders don't shock me. I left a comment on your original video saying the same thing. Honestly, I never looked back. I've now got 3 more Festool sanders and they work fantastically with no shocks. I'm glad 3M is iterating and tring to do the right thing, but they can experiment with other folks. For me, I'll stick with Festool sanders. For once I can say Festool is just a bit more expensive. 🙂
@daleromney6062 27 күн бұрын
I will continue to use my dust extractor. I have never had issues, but always used the dust extractor. I am happy.
@lanzer22 22 күн бұрын
Companies sell cars that cost way more with way worse issues sometimes, and in many cases they simply refuse to cover in warranty. We shouldn't be surprised that a version 1 product might have issues. What's important is that 3M hold themselves responsible and replace any faulty units.
@thewoodjunki 24 күн бұрын
I looked at various sanders, reviews costs and other research.. I ended up with the Maxxt 150mm .. it’s been a total joy to use.
@richragan4810 28 күн бұрын
Thanks again Matt. I've had my 3M Sander for almost 2 years with no isues and use it almost daily for my Etsy shop business. BUT, I "always" have it connected to my Dewalt shop vac.
@731Woodworks 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@wichitablundell137 21 күн бұрын
The fans in these sanders is essentially a modified squirrel cage fan, A squirrel cage fan is high dependent on the blade geometry to move air, if the blade geometry is disturbed by as little as 10 percent the airflow is reduced by 90 percent. So my question is: what type of wood is being sanded? Is it a resinous wood, or sticky wood? Has anyone torn one of these sanders apart and checked the fan blades?
@rudispruell883 27 күн бұрын
Matthew, Great video, as always. The way you keep chunkin' the 3M down on the bench, I get the feeling that you are over it. I guess, when the Festool caught your roving eye, along with troubles at home with the 3M, that relationship was on the rocks and a breakup was bound to happen.
@justsomeone6608 17 күн бұрын
Similar thing happened to my sander - after some use it would slow down and shut down. Turns out there is a sealed ball bearing (quite easily accessible - right above the pad) which was clogged with dust. Quick clean and its good as new and stopped building up the heat so quickly. I guess the heat warped the ball bearing seal - I will swap it for a new one eventually.
@briannicholls2628 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for your investigation!! I will make sure i keep it hooked up to solid air flow!
@bluedragonfly5 25 күн бұрын
I use my dewalt sander a lot (many hours a week)and it has NEVER overheated. It is attached to a vacume. Which i use with it 100%.
@RDSWOODWORKING 27 күн бұрын
I have the festool the one you bought very happy with it
@Techmaster05 27 күн бұрын
I actually got mine right after you did your initial review. I've used it extensively. I build a lot of furniture. So far I have not had a single issue. I do use dust extraction. I did notice the shock if I held my fingers in the middle of the sand near those small holes that look like vents on the side of the sander. But if I held it how your supposed to no issues. Anyways I'd buy it again. Great sander
@billmason6841 26 күн бұрын
As someone who has been considering this sander (amd, in part, based on your earlier review), I truly appreciate your honesty and the fact that you work to try to get to the bottom of this. My thought was the same as yours... I think I'll hold off for a while and let it play out. My DeWalt sanders are still up to the task! lol Thanks again, Matt!
@kevinshea4353 26 күн бұрын
I saw some of the same complaints on the 3m sander so I went with the MAXXT sander from Amazon with a 3 year warranty that was almost half the price of the 3m.
@BroRiv 27 күн бұрын
As much as I wanted it to work, as you stated I couldn't hold on to it for 30 seconds without it shocking the fire out of me. Hooked up to a Festool CT48AC dust extractor with anti shock hose. Blame it on epoxy floor? Maybe. I'm not a scientist. Bought a Festool 150 sander..zero issues, performs extremely well. Would like to see your review of the 150. I have the 125 and use both depending upon the application. Love the GREEN Koolaid!😊
@justkjthings 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video. I was considering the 3M sander when I eventually upgrade, but now think I will steer away from it. They seem to be in the business of gatekeeping with their "For industrial/occupational use only. Not for consumer sale or use" statement.
@brianhmonks 27 күн бұрын
The product has been tested for safety by ETL. Should ask them to investigate why it has their seal of approval.
@patrickrock7311 27 күн бұрын
Really respect you making this video, I bought the 3M a few months ago after seeing the dozens of 5 star youtube videos on it. Then noticed the terrible reviews on amazon and 3M's site but couldn't find any social media but reddit talking about the issues. Returned and bought the Festool ets ec 150, just for peace of mind. But really wish this video was out a few months ago to reassure me in the right direction.
@jaapvanklaveren6929 25 күн бұрын
The solution: separate engine cooling and aluminum base that dissipates the heat. See for example the Metabo SXE 3150. Thanks for your video.
@erickdanielsson6710 28 күн бұрын
Great review. I haven't had any issues with my 3M Xtract. I do use a Festool extractor. Sounds Like 3M is doing a good job standing by their work. Hopefully.. You sound like an engineer doing the review.
@731Woodworks 28 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍
@Jack_all 27 күн бұрын
Dang, you got 10K subscribers since Thursday... Nice work.
@AlienLeader4 26 күн бұрын
Awesome update video Matt. Keep up the awesome Honest reveiws. 👽
@billboy7390 27 күн бұрын
I’ve returned my 6” twice for repairs, after the second repair I’ve had no problems. Tech support was great and the sander was still under warranty. I have a 5” and have no problems. Both are close to two years old. They are both heavily used with a dust extractor. Festool.
@mcroost6244 27 күн бұрын
I’ve had my 3m sander for about 6 months. No issues with it while sanding wood. I just used it to sand drywall in a 12x25’ room, all walls and ceiling. This would probably be considered tool abuse, but it did the job and with a shop vac attached, the dust was considerably reduced. Never experienced the shutting down of the sander, but if I didn’t keep-in contact with the drywall with another part of my body it would shock the hell out of me. Not just an occasional shock, but repetitive shocks like every 2 seconds until you touched the drywall or quit sanding. I’m finished with that job now, but I’m sure I’ll need to give the sander a good blowing out before I use it again.
@iancathcart3751 26 күн бұрын
Congrats on passing 600,000 subscribers during the filming of this video 👍
@731Woodworks 26 күн бұрын
Thank you
@paullukoskie6955 27 күн бұрын
One sander I rarely see anyone discuss or review is the Bosch 1250devs. I’ve had one for years and I think it stacks up well with any of the higher end ROS sanders like Festool, 3M, etc. Especially when you factor in the price. I don’t know if you’ve used one, but since you do a lot of review and comparison videos, I’d recommend taking a look at the Bosch 1250.
@MitchHeil 25 күн бұрын
I have one and I have experienced both the static shock and also the random shutoffs. I think I can attribute it to 2 specific things. I 100% of the time used it connected to a festool dust extractor. The static issue was the hose. I had the 3m quick connect hose for connecting to different tools. That hose is not anti static, so it would shock the crap out of you. I swapped out to the festool anti static hose. The second issue with the random shutoffs is a bit of an odd one. I did inlays with Totalboat Razzo which is a plaster/drywall type material. So sanding a stone material rather than wood is also what caused an immense amount of static and I think it basically shorted itself out into turning itself of and you would have to restart. I sent that unit to 3M to get repaired and when I got it back, the exact same issues occured immediately upon sanding the razzo. I have not tried again since switching over to the anti static hose.
@danhough9252 24 күн бұрын
I have used quite a bit of different sanders and I stick to Bosch. I have 5” one and it’s 10 years old hasn’t missed a beat. For the price it’s hard to justify paying that much for me.
@Stewarts_Woodworks 26 күн бұрын
I had considered purchasing this one after your original video and before I bought my Mirka Deros, but a cabinetmaker friend of mine had told me he had bad experiences with it. No regrets with my Mirka whatsoever
@michiganracer1181 27 күн бұрын
I've had mine for just over 6 months I've always used it with the dust extractor. I've sanded cars, my brother has done wood table tops and epoxy tables with no issues, it's a work horse. I do let the sander do the work and am NOT pushing down on the sander while using it. I think you just need to know how to use it and have it set up right with the correct sanding pads to allow air flow.
@ravenheart1439 27 күн бұрын
Always been my understanding you definitely want dust collection hooked up just because it performs better, makes complete sense it helps cooling..
@nicklavioletteiii2183 27 күн бұрын
The only time I've experienced any issues with the sander was with HUGE sanding projects. Like whole kitchen of butcher block countertops and even then it took a good while to get to that point.
@mrgunn2726 27 күн бұрын
Excellent follow up, you have performed a public service, well done.
@jon9879 26 күн бұрын
Hey my email made the video! Thanks for being transparent and putting this out!
@WEALRO 27 күн бұрын
Just buy different sander leaves 3m behind
@kb6dxn 27 күн бұрын
I have one and it works great, I use it and my Festool sanders about 50% of the time. I do use a dust extractor "Festool" all the time but having a Powermatic drum sander the hand sanders get light use and I don't stand on them. Weight of the sander is more than enough to get the job done.
@THANATOSIXU 27 күн бұрын
I was using mine yesterday for sanding drawer box sides, and also realized that is was getting hot, with dust extraction. I let it cool for an hour, while I made dinner, and it was still warm after an hour and a half. I have the 6" version, and use a festool ct15 dust extractor. Granted, I was sanding for over 6 hours yesterday, but I've never had a sander get that warm while using an extractor. Its never shut off on me though.
@sa3key 27 күн бұрын
I love how you just toss it around…😂😂😂
@cdrom1070 3 күн бұрын
I think there is a problem in engineering companies stemming from a conveyor mentality about everything. the idea is that you can get stuff at the correct flow rate and it will operate great indefinable. In the organizational spectrum it shows up by people trying to get rid of stock room and having everything 'on demand' to reduce overhead. This is true with thermal design when engineers are obsessed with reducing thermal mass (i.e. heat pipes and strong active cooling). This makes the systems very vulnerable to disruptions. 0 excess capacity only works on paper IMO. Its also an obsession with compactness and appearance for marketing reasons. I built a cabinet as a side project at work for someone and they did this with crimps. I was 1 crimps short of building a big cabinet. My boss put his foot down and said he is not buying it, the other guy needs to buy it. Took 1 year to finish it off because they got in a fight over a 10 cent crimp. I think my boss was right because the other guy was not managing things properly.... they don't like when someone has a 'ideal physics' solution to something. Its alot of stress for no good reason other then trying to follow a theoretical calculation to the letter. And it failed because a perfectly setup crimp tool for some reason just did not crimp the wire properly.
@omniscientgrunk 19 күн бұрын
Good video. You did well to review your review. I have Bosch sanders but remember your first video. Dust extraction does seem to be key. Peace
@aaronblackford981 26 күн бұрын
Great follow up. An Outlaw, always an Outlaw.
@madbomber40 27 күн бұрын
Great to know. I'm interested on one
@hampuskruse2369 6 күн бұрын
You also have Mirka Deros that is similar to the 3M, they keep fighting for years without giving up.
@daviddura1172 27 күн бұрын
Well done.
@dwp1970 27 күн бұрын
Any chance you did a temperture test with the dust extractor? Curious about what the change in temperature might be. Thanks for the video and great information.
@v3c7r0n 28 күн бұрын
I'd go complain about that remark on Reddit, but then someone would complain about my complaint, which would then be complained about... I can't speak to the Festool (look, I can buy their stuff or pay my mortgage. Not both) but that DeWalt sander has an internal fan to cool itself and collect dust into the "bag" (it doesn't work well, but it sure does try) if you aren't using it with any kind of dust collection. That 3M sander being an industrial tool is also probably made to handle some of the nastier materials - fiberglass, epoxies, resins, polyurethanes, etc. - all of which produce a fine, fairly abrasive and generally "sticky" dust that doesn't like to come off. As a result, it may have tighter internal tolerances to keep that stuff contained, and there is probably a minimum CFM rating it's "recommended" to be used with. As you've proven, it's definitely not designed to run without it. The static shocks would be affected by the humidity levels in the air and would be worse / more common in areas with a dry climate.
@d.k.1394 26 күн бұрын
Lol
@leonardo29098 26 күн бұрын
I suspect the biggest issue with that sander is shop vac that have limited suction. I had simular problem in cnc feild the fine dust clogs the filter fast. You do not clean out filter and it puts negative preasure on sander causing over heat and shutdown failure. For our first shop vac cnc we literally had to remove filter and blow dust to a 5 micron box outside. Now we use a proper dust collector. But every 8 hours we tap filters snd remove all dust.
@trokt2 27 күн бұрын
Great job! I will be looking at Mirka or Festool. Currently I have a Dewalt, the one you recommended. It works very well for what I do, which is nothing. I only buy tools lol.
@lewkohl 25 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video, but the answer is not inadequate dust extraction. I bought the sander and it died about 2 months later. Always used with a 3M dust extractor. Taylor Toolworks helped me get it replaced by 3M. Supposedly a board issue. I was sent a “next generation” sander. Lasted about 6 months of light use before it failed again. Once again Taylor assisted with getting a replacement. I should also add that the first sander generated a ridiculous amount of static electricity (I do think its static) and provided frequent small shocks. It would be an understatement to say I’m not a fan and would never recommend it. I also suspect your friend from 3M is being disingenuous about the number of failures. Unfortunate because it actually worked well-when it works.
@GaryNorton_C 23 күн бұрын
I have experienced the small shock issue that has me worried.
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