Experimental Pre-WWI Ross .30-06 Machine Gun
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In August 1913, the British War Office wrote to Sir Charles Ross requesting a sample automatic rifle for trials in the UK. Ross was able to submit a prototype on May 1914, which was tested at Enfield - but only fired 308 rounds before the test ended, suggesting that something important probably broke. The gun was a very strange looking contraption, whose Ross MkIII lineage is visible only in the bolt and front of the receiver forging. A long stroke gas pistol was added, and the action flipped upside-down. A large 25-round magazine was fitted, along with a thumbhole style stock that looks very similar to the grip of a Lewis gun. In addition to one example tested at Enfield in .303 caliber, one other model was send to the US for testing, chambered for .30-06. That is the gun we are looking at today, which came to the Canadian War Museum from the collection stored at Fort Knox in the 197-s and 80s.
Thanks to the Canadian War Museum for providing me access to film this extremely unusual Ross for you!
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@hemidas 3 жыл бұрын
Artyom called, he wants his gun back.
@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 3 жыл бұрын
if they make another metro they need to make this a Mod for the Valve
@progfox 3 жыл бұрын
YOOO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT
@peterdvornik 3 жыл бұрын
Yo, that's my fav book!
@simonpharand7427 3 жыл бұрын
Best call
@AzelfandQuilava 3 жыл бұрын
*Opppa, Artyomich!*
@seankeaney823 3 жыл бұрын
“The strangest Ross you will ever see.” Why do I have the feeling that the ghost of Sir Charles just said “hold my tea” and in a year Ian will come across an even weirder Ross Rifle.
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure he did.
@artemis_smith 3 жыл бұрын
@@slaughterround643 I fear no man. But that *thing*? It scares me
@65Grndl 3 жыл бұрын
I love the guns that go beyond just being weird and reach the level of "contraption".
@emperorbunnybun7513 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, such an interesting convertion and it fasinates me how it looks.
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
If you like those, check out the various converted bolt actions, like the Charlton Automatic Rifle. All the worky bits are outside the stock!
@lakrids-pibe 3 жыл бұрын
This must be the most steampunk looking firearm I've ever seen....
@NUFIGHTER 3 жыл бұрын
Right? Move over Cyberpunk 2077, get ready for Steampunk 1887!
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Charlton Automatic Rifle. SMLE converted to full auto for WW2. Op rod and gas piston are off to the side.
@paulshayter1113 3 жыл бұрын
Just needs a little brass or bronze.
@walkmanmash6776 3 жыл бұрын
Friends: "The one where Ross creates a machine gun."
@DxBlack 3 жыл бұрын
The claps in the intro replaced by 4 bangs from a firearm...
@arpytrooper2604 3 жыл бұрын
@@DxBlack kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bJqGkq6AmM_PfmQ.html Here ya go, exactly what you wanted
@forestcampbell8962 3 жыл бұрын
Joey: "How you doin" Ross: "Fine if this contraption would cycle reliably".. Laughtrack...
@tonymonktano4313 3 жыл бұрын
WE WERE ON A MUZZLE BREAK
@Ethzed 3 жыл бұрын
Originally he went for a pivoting bolt but it kept jamming
@mcqueenfanman 3 жыл бұрын
The Bren & Sten had a baby. Time travel has to fit into the story somewhere.
@vanadium1169 3 жыл бұрын
the stren
@TheWolfsnack 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh.....Sonny Crockett's favourite machine gun...the Bren Sten.....
@MrLoobu 3 жыл бұрын
In Canada, classic.
@michaelmoorrees3585 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWolfsnack - If it belonged to Sonny Crockett, it would be painted Pink & lime green !
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
Let's blame The Doctor.
@chubbycatfish4573 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like an "assault rifle" from a Fallout game.
@stc3145 3 жыл бұрын
Or from Metro
@germanwarrabbit 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to say that
@Immopimmo 3 жыл бұрын
Or Borderlands
@jm9371 3 жыл бұрын
@@-RAYZ- It's the SPIKE LAUNCHER from Fallout 4!
@advictoriamsshitposts8689 3 жыл бұрын
Metro more than Fallout.
@cosmicderringer1824 3 жыл бұрын
Man these retro experimental weapons are some of the coolest things in human history
@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын
Ross knew Steampunk would become a thing.
@cosmicderringer1824 3 жыл бұрын
@@donjones4719 Ross is the original steam punk innovater, maybe even originally conceived it if not one of the few early people that did
@Journey_Awaits 3 жыл бұрын
I’m waiting for them to find a mg with a steam engine to power the auto fire
@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын
@@Journey_Awaits Coulda been done with a ship-mounted Gatling gun.
@maxschaeffner9005 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the Canadians adopted it: “Private, you’re being promoted to machine gunner” “Oh thank god, I don’t have to use this shifty ross rifle” *gets this* “...well I probably shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up”
@SaberViper 3 жыл бұрын
[laughs in canuck]
@Gameprojordan 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime you picked it up the laugh track from Friends would play
@hodor292 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a german soldier in your trench and seeing a canadian soldier running at you holding this... *thing*
@EastBayFlipper 3 жыл бұрын
Usually it only required a Canadian soldier charging to ruin a pair of lederhosen. An automatic rifle would just ensure the poor soldat wouldn't die from embarrassment.
@tarmaque 3 жыл бұрын
German soldier examines his sandwich made with ergot moldy rye: "Again vit de halluzinations. Hy haz gotz to getz de better bread!"
@clothar23 3 жыл бұрын
@@EastBayFlipper Was about to comment this. And yes this werid rifle would only be doing Hans a favour.
@MrSaerrock 3 жыл бұрын
@@EastBayFlipper Was going to say the same thing...
@TheCoffeehound 3 жыл бұрын
@@tarmaque "Vell, looks like the brott is kicking in."
@nickverbree 3 жыл бұрын
At 7:31 those are technically dovetail joints. That type of joint is actually a pretty common way to affix metal at right angles, similar to how early metal bodied hand planes were put together. Really interesting to see them on a firearm!
@bastarddoggy 2 жыл бұрын
I was scrolling the comments looking specifically for your remark. Now I know I'm not the only one saying to myself "But those are dovetail joints."
@nickverbree 2 жыл бұрын
@@bastarddoggy I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who scrolls through the comments to make sure I'm not repeating something!
@alexreams1060 3 жыл бұрын
"There's a gas port up here, obviously." *Søren Hansen Bang would like to know your location*
@adriansaidan1736 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomrothwell8433 found the redditor
@kingalphawerewolf 3 жыл бұрын
@@adriansaidan1736 “I like this comment and would like to indicate that” >You “Haha fuck that dude amrite what a weinie”
@adriansaidan1736 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingalphawerewolf Not sure what perception you have of a redditor is, but I personally have reddit and use it daily. I don't know of other social media that allows you to give special awards to comments. It seems like you are projecting your own feelings about reddit by assuming they are mine.
@xXponyinthestarsXx 3 жыл бұрын
@@adriansaidan1736 Steam community.
@dikkekater 3 жыл бұрын
*The glorious nation of Elbonia wants to know your location*
@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus9571 3 жыл бұрын
Me: "looking for strange guns" Ian: Hold my huot automatic rifle.
@frederik5991 3 жыл бұрын
It's an FG-14. Ross was ahead of his time!
@nicolatesla9429 3 жыл бұрын
If Ian posted this video on April 1st and told us it was a cancelled Star Wars prop I would still believe him.
@5anjuro 3 жыл бұрын
Probably the first (and the last) time ever anyone used plywood drawyers finger-joint method on a steel receiver.
@joel_rigby 3 жыл бұрын
Yet, a strong mechanical connection and easy assembly, disassembly. Not that bad of idea all told. Maybe it should be used again.
@skullhammer9899 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised this wasn't shoehorned into Battlefield 1
@Fluoguy 3 жыл бұрын
Tfw your gun is so obscure that even BF1 devs have never heard of it.
@Spudtron98 3 жыл бұрын
I think one Ross automatic conversion was enough.
@philllax1719 3 жыл бұрын
Dice asked Ian what to put in it, Ian hadn't seen it yet
@SickBoyBiff 3 жыл бұрын
Its because Ian hadnt done a video on it yet. Most of these shooters dont have one offs in them until ian does a video then the next ww1 or ww2 game has that gun in iy
@Vladiator 2 жыл бұрын
Hinestly, it would be amazing if they made a BF1-2 (good lord not this name) adding all the weapons and stuff Ian has covered since. We need more games covering funky prototype weapons. I still miss my baby, the XM8 not being in games anymore
@joem5332 3 жыл бұрын
That joint isn’t a mortise and tenon, it’s dovetail. Just so you know.
@vezir382 3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say the same thing
@tarmaque 3 жыл бұрын
@@vezir382 Ibid
@samwalker5112 3 жыл бұрын
Searched the comments for this.
@dutoyboy1 3 жыл бұрын
#metoo was coming in strong to drop my knowledge too
@worldtraveler930 3 жыл бұрын
I am not seeing a Dovetail on this rifle just mortise and tenon joints.
@thegoldencaulk2742 3 жыл бұрын
You had me at "Ross"
@korbetthein3072 3 жыл бұрын
That mad lad made all the kookiest guns!
@GARDENER42 3 жыл бұрын
By 'eck, that's different! This is exactly the content which makes Forgotten Weapons so interesting.
@pattonorr7572 3 жыл бұрын
KZfaq going down :( Ian’s scheduled Monday morning video still uploading :)
@TheMrPeteChannel 3 жыл бұрын
The power of Gun Jesus!
@MrSaerrock 3 жыл бұрын
As it is written, so it shall be
@TheMrPeteChannel 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSaerrock Amen.
@YouCaughtCzars 3 жыл бұрын
This is the Star Wars blaster I didn't know we needed. It's remarkable to me how only a couple years separate the Huot to this. The Huot actually seemed to be a reliable and very functional weapon that was put together for trials like this, and then we get this gangly thing.
@pieman12345678987654 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like something that would be straight out of metro 2033
@thomasmcfaul875 3 жыл бұрын
Always love when you come up here to Ottawa to shoot videos, and yes the tank room in the War Museum is the best
@oldesertguy9616 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the type of weapon that keeps me watching this channel.
@BackyardDaddy69 3 жыл бұрын
*Dice taking notes for its next battlefield game*
@tekumeku2244 3 жыл бұрын
Still rather cool to see the level of ingenuity of people to experiment with proven tech to try and improve it, even if it doesn't work out. And considering that Britain still had a number of Martini-Henry rifles on hand at this point it makes sense to reach out and see if you can find a replacement
@janwacawik7432 3 жыл бұрын
Gee, I wonder what treats is Ian keeping for this Christmas. Last two years really spoiled us.
@Orzorn 3 жыл бұрын
This gun is insanely steampunk without even attempting to be so.
@straightshootingtalk6715 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Canadian content, Ian! I was aware of the Huot conversion, but this is all new to me. Great find! Cheers, Dean
@alucardvigilatedismas2868 3 жыл бұрын
Canadians: Look how they massacred my boy 😭
@korbetthein3072 3 жыл бұрын
Ross to the Canadians: it's my rifle and I can do whatever I want with it! *Angry door slam* Ross was a very angry man.
@korbetthein3072 3 жыл бұрын
@A number Two numbers more like using a historical site as a target....... which Ross also did.
@gjgaming2133 3 жыл бұрын
@@korbetthein3072 actually? This man is insane
@korbetthein3072 3 жыл бұрын
@@gjgaming2133 Ian has a short series of videos on stuff he's responsible for. If the Ross rifle was involved, so was Ross.
@korbetthein3072 3 жыл бұрын
@@gjgaming2133 Oh an WAS is the correct tensing, all of this is circa 1890s through 1910s.
@jm9371 3 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video about a gun I never heard of..... Thanks Ian!
@jaylavine4552 3 жыл бұрын
Ian wicked awesome first time ever seeing one thank you great video
@thegael1996 3 жыл бұрын
Suppose it a good thing this rifle didn't go anywhere as the Martello Tower might have been rubble by now.
@penumbraenigmatica3252 3 жыл бұрын
🍁🍁🍁 thanks Ian...!! Merry Christmas, sir...!! 🍁🍁🍁
@robertlogan9682 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you here in Ottawa. That thing is a beast. I can only imagine the stress put on the moving parts
@UHCredhead 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff, Ian would be nice to see you shoulder these weapons
@evansn79 3 жыл бұрын
"hey man, you're good with woodwork, can you make us a stock for this gun?" "sure thing..." Two days later an exhausted woodworker arrives with a gun held together by dovetail joints with morris and Co wallpaper and some lovely coving.
@Malagar1 3 жыл бұрын
Ooh a unique and bizarre rifle, exactly the thing I subscribed to this channel for.
@craigharness3156 3 жыл бұрын
This is the stuff we come here for!!!
@ralphdials1688 3 жыл бұрын
Frankenstein called..... he wants his machine gun back.
@JoramTriesGaming 3 жыл бұрын
First FW video which KZfaq's elected to not notify me of. Excellent content as always, Mr McCollum.
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
Really it is not only a prototype, its a demonstrator as well. You can see not only that it works, but how it works.
@marcosdarcy2221 3 жыл бұрын
It's got such a cool Art Deco look to it!
@TheAssassin409 3 жыл бұрын
i see a lot of open moving mechanical parts that would love to get dirt and mud packed in there.
@samuelferrell9257 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have been so hot an item during the great war because of that. Sweet looking, except for the stock. It would be cool to build a modern replica.
@jerrell1169 3 жыл бұрын
@@samuelferrell9257 I don't think they were thinking of what the war was gonna be like, hell the war in 1914 was nowhere near muddy and dirty for the most part. But I agree, it woulda been either updated or phased out very quickly once the mid-war hit.
@samuelferrell9257 3 жыл бұрын
@@zoiders yeah, your right. Obviously it had some kind of fail during testing, (whatever that was), and that's why it didn't make the cut. Lots of exparmentation during that time period on firearms, especially machine guns and autoloading rifles. I truly would love to see a modern replica of this bad boy with all the bugs worked out. I think a bottom feeding mag on the battlefield rifle and a top feeding mag with a heavy barrel and a bipod would be fun.If this design was to have the bugs worked out i could see it (back in the day) in service as a vehicle mounted weapon, like an early tank, or with a drum feed, it could be adopted as an aerial weapon in early fighter planes. In those two scenarios an open bolt, action, and whatever else wouldn't be as big a deal. Personally, I like having a dust cover on my AR, just sayin'. That stock is gross, it would need a real one, they can leave that off the replica. While I'm at it the grip looks un ergonamic...the trigger is too far from the grip. Change those things and I think it would be an awesome additon to the collection.
@cautiousdaredevil 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you got out of Ottawa before the -20c hit us haha, Love this museum!
@kbjerke 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for preserving this important artifact in the digital vault!!!
@L.J.Kommer 3 жыл бұрын
Replace the magazine with a fantasy scope and this would make a cool blaster for a Star Wars game
@iancole85 3 жыл бұрын
Really lovely wooden hand guard. Super cool gun.
@K-Bobs-Safari 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yes to 30-06 with that stock
@History_Coffee 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like some crazy 1970s free Derry garage build.
@ARRESTEDPAIN 3 жыл бұрын
The Ross. A gift that keeps on giving.
@alanhelton 3 жыл бұрын
OH SWEEET VIDEO I THOUGHT I LOST YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The great KZfaq shutdown survivor of 12/14/20)
@Guillo78 3 жыл бұрын
Put me in tha liiiiiiist toooooo !!
@capemarinesurvey6561 3 жыл бұрын
Ian, it's dove tail, not mortise and tenon.
@littlebigheroman 3 жыл бұрын
Well, he *is* Gun Jesus, not carpentry Jesus, aka regular Jesus
@scooterdogg7580 3 жыл бұрын
that's truly a "forgotten weapon" cool
@KnifeChatswithTobias 3 жыл бұрын
So many funky-cool guns, so little time!
@michelguevara151 3 жыл бұрын
*dovetailing, not mortice and tennon, a cabinet maker's method, not a joiner's method. thanks for uploading, Ian, I love the experimental stuff.
@kippamip 3 жыл бұрын
This is the ultimate bare bones weapon. No frills here.
@max333463 3 жыл бұрын
One of the coolest forgotten weapons ever.
@johnfisk811 3 жыл бұрын
So many tries on pretty well every straight pull to tap it for gas operation but none ever taken up but all are so clever. Thank you for this look at the beatsie. BTW dovetail joints not mortice and tenon but that is my pedantry - sorry, I can't help myself.
@countrywestern2272 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode🎸🎸🎸
@the902giant 3 жыл бұрын
Go figure it’d be a Canadian gun video that saved KZfaq :)
@Jason-fm4my 3 жыл бұрын
Been to a lot of museums, and the CWM is one of the best.
@joel_rigby 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, that was interesting, informative, and inspiring. Now I want to build a replica...
@DeliveryMcGee 3 жыл бұрын
The woodworking term for that sort of joint is dovetails. Mortise and tenon is rectangular pegs in rectangular holes.
@SuperCrazf 3 жыл бұрын
The Ross is just the thing that never stops surprising everyone. No matter how blessed or cursed it’s the gun
@ryanwilson_canada 3 жыл бұрын
Next time I'm in Ottawa I'll have to stop in. Not that I go very often as I'm on the Atlantic coast. Still neat to learn of the museum's existence.
@frankishe5631 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing the Ross, it was select fire in that the rifle would select whether it fired, fired the whole magazine, or did nothing until you used an entrenching tool to pry back the bolt so you could find the speck of dirt that jammed it
@MM-lv8ib 3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful example of prototyping
@TheFreedomConcept 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if there was some indie gun manufacturer who worked with Ian and reproduced some of these one off firearms he checks out. This thing so crazy looking, I'd love to have one in my collection.
@p-torias8040 3 жыл бұрын
My boy is at one of my favourite museums of all time. The collection there is insane
@rautavaara9194 3 жыл бұрын
The average Forgotten Weapons video is cool, but these weird unicorn guns are where this channel shines.
@OkWineGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I hope you liked Ottawa! The war museum is fantastic!
@Rubenbauer80 3 жыл бұрын
The screen looks like a gun Jesus home shopping network.
@Rubenbauer80 3 жыл бұрын
@@WoobsBallJesse you know now that you mention it that would be pretty awesome haha.
@dougler500 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, not bad, I'm impressed. The front end and rear end are solid and robust looking, same with the gas system. Two major things stand out to me for correction and they would both be 'easy' fixes. All I can see that really needs to be done here is offer this with an 8-12 round mag instead of 25 (lol that's insane for the time period and calibre) and then just tidy up the openings in the rear and tack on a dust cover. That would look pretty mean with a solid receiver, some nice blueing and a smaller mag.
@geGNOME 3 жыл бұрын
I get the distinct impression that Ross's response to the letter asking him to enter the trial was "Ah, fuck it. why not?"
@remcodenouden5019 3 жыл бұрын
Every steampunk pre-WWI or WWI experiment you post makes me cry a little because it could've been in BF1... Would've been so cool to see
@wesleygay8918 3 жыл бұрын
Well, as mark novak would say, "let's go down the rabbit hole!'
@catcherinthesky4106 3 жыл бұрын
I wan't to see a quality built replica of this beauty in silver and mahogny.
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta add some nice brass parts for the proper steampunk aesthetics.
@jacobmello5126 3 жыл бұрын
At 7:30 you called the joinery mortise and tennon, actually those are dovetail joints, also used in carpentry but typically more for cabinetry while the mortise and tennon would be for framing structures in the old post and beam style construction
@TactaGhoul 3 жыл бұрын
This has to be the coolest automatic rifle I've ever seen. Ever.
@Bravohalo 3 жыл бұрын
Anticipated 90% of assault rifle features 40 years early.
@SlickJim2 3 жыл бұрын
Although from a whole another place and time, this kind of has that bastard gun vibe from the Metro series
@mididoctors 3 жыл бұрын
The man sure likes experimental automatic rifles
@rediius 3 жыл бұрын
Fired 308 rounds? This gun was ahead of its time.
@magnusskipton7067 3 жыл бұрын
This rifle is so confusing that i was watching the video upside down for a solid 3 minutes
@wikikomoto 3 жыл бұрын
wow! i can't remember the last time i saw a firearm i was just dying to know MORE about after the video
@warmongerhero 3 жыл бұрын
This has to be one of the coolest looking failed experiments. This now needs to be in a video game somehow.
@The_Professor_ 3 жыл бұрын
“WAIT! They’re all Ross rifles?” “Always have been”
@dumptrump3788 3 жыл бұрын
0:12 "We're up here in... Ottawa, taking a look at the strangest Ross you'll ever see!" 0:14 Someone is already making it an option for "Call of Duty, Steampunk Wars":
@xyzpdq1122 3 жыл бұрын
So futuristic that we still haven't caught up
@Stellar12316 3 жыл бұрын
Way to go ian welcome to my home and native land cheers
@crazyfvck 3 жыл бұрын
That thing is awesome! :)
@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming 3 жыл бұрын
The dovetail joints would be very reminiscent of woodworking "infil" planes, where in the early days of using steel in planes for woodwork they would have a sole plate and 2 side plates mounted together in this manner with blocks of wood in the middle (hence being called infil planes) to make up the main body, he interesting to know if that was why he chose the design over others, because there were already factories tooled to make such cuts that wouldn't be making planes in wartime
@elliot3197 3 жыл бұрын
There is definitely at least ONE eclectic collector out there that has one of these along with a Ribbeyrolles and Helriegel in his collection. Probably has a hard on for the most obscure guns out there
@bishopyokubaitis8691 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, how long I've waited for a video on this... er, thing. Ever since his Instagram post with it from like a year ago, I've been in search of information about this thing thinking that it was the elusive Hotchkiss Automatic Rifle. But alas, it was a Ross after all!
@rhinehardt1 3 жыл бұрын
Luckily, that's as far as it went.
@jakobholgersson4400 3 жыл бұрын
For the 1910's, this looks pretty darned modern. If I didn't know what this was, I'd have guessed it was probably something intended to replace the BAR and/or BREN.
@jessemarcus 3 жыл бұрын
welcome back to Canada
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