CENTER OF GRAVITY

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Experimental Airlines

Experimental Airlines

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What does Center Of Gravity mean and how to design your airplanes with understanding of this aerodynamic parameter. Also a discussion of aerodynamic center, center of pressure, and neutral point as they relate to the COG.
Canard CG calculator:
adamone.rchomepage.com/cg_cana...
Flying wing CG calculator:
fwcg.3dzone.dk/

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@Glicksman1
@Glicksman1 Жыл бұрын
Because the centre of gravity is a measurement of calculation of weight and balance, a change of angle of attack does NOT change the centre of gravity. However, a change of angle of attack does change the position of the mean centre of pressure relative to the cenrre of gravity.
@JamesRCPlaneTech
@JamesRCPlaneTech Жыл бұрын
That was the best explanation of CG I have heard. The point about the CG moving forward on a high wing and backwards on a low wing is very interesting. Ill have to watch this several times to absorb all that you explained, but really nice . Thanks
@AddictedRC
@AddictedRC 4 жыл бұрын
We still miss you, Ed. When I recommend this EA video to new flyers/builders, it always amazes me how much they improve in both building, and flight. YOU ARE THE MAN, ED! THANK YOU! Hope you're doing well!
@endliberalism4305
@endliberalism4305 3 жыл бұрын
Where did he go ? Is he ok ?
@isaiahraines122
@isaiahraines122 2 жыл бұрын
@@endliberalism4305 no
@MOONsRCPLANES.
@MOONsRCPLANES. Жыл бұрын
​@@isaiahraines122 what happened with him😮???
@my_dear_friend_
@my_dear_friend_ Жыл бұрын
@@MOONsRCPLANES. - He appears to be ok. Seems he just got too busy professionally to make more videos for KZfaq. Happens. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/isx-nL2JltvPqYE.html
@akamai897
@akamai897 6 жыл бұрын
I subscribed today after watching several of your videos. Your teaching style is fully informative, easy to watch and learn from, and strikes just the right balance between detailed and concise information. I have learned several things today that will be very useful. Thanks!
@jhonepps6061fingers-wild
@jhonepps6061fingers-wild 2 жыл бұрын
Love the way you structure the Speech so any one can completely Understand what you are teaching you definitely have A great gift for teaching I thank You for giving all the correct info To us that try and fail in rc world
@aqueousone
@aqueousone 8 жыл бұрын
wow! So good to have you back Ed!
@Elephantine999
@Elephantine999 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are inspiring and empowering. When I watch them ideas for cool planes spring into mind. Thanks man.
@smuenchRC
@smuenchRC 8 жыл бұрын
Well done and informative, I liked your mini airplane, it helped illustrate the concepts. Can you do a design series to address picking wing size (cord and length) and stabilizer size/shape (maybe even talk about v-tail/inverted v-tail too)
@alexfischer9218
@alexfischer9218 2 жыл бұрын
Heyy, I really don't know how to thank you for this video. You're just so good at explaining and making it easy to understand.
@calebreeves3716
@calebreeves3716 8 жыл бұрын
Great video and perfect timing! Thanks so much! This video will be very useful!
@billflynn6903
@billflynn6903 8 жыл бұрын
I understood everything the first time Ed, Thank You. From Now On, my 'Frankenplanes' will likely have more success..
@scotch2gmail
@scotch2gmail 8 жыл бұрын
you explained that REALLY WELL. Thanks for the video!
@averagejoe6031
@averagejoe6031 7 жыл бұрын
I can recommend this video to anyone. Thanks for your knowledge!
@jefferylim1806
@jefferylim1806 8 жыл бұрын
Very good CG explanation & very understanding. Thank you Ed.. 👍
@think2cre81
@think2cre81 Жыл бұрын
What a great video sir 👏 there is just no substitute for brains 🧠 . This will definitely help with my thought process in my next build 🙂.
@PhilTaylorPhotog
@PhilTaylorPhotog 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation. COP etc never gets explained. Useful to know there's more to it.
@leewy5154
@leewy5154 6 жыл бұрын
it was not explained correctly HERE either. CP varies under aerodynamic load...CG NEVER does. They are not the same thing.
@Oinikis
@Oinikis 8 жыл бұрын
I don't know whether you will read this, but neutral point of a wing varies with angle of attack, and is usually between the leading edge and the middle of a wing. Why? the bottom part deflects air equally throughout whole chord,while the top does majority of deflection at the front, because that's where the air has to change direction to flow with the wing. nearing the trailling edge, the air is not deflected as much.
@DionysiosKontakis
@DionysiosKontakis 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the info. You made my day. Keep up the good work.
@bluesman463
@bluesman463 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u for taking time to make this video that helps a lot in learning about cg.
@thenatedog
@thenatedog 8 жыл бұрын
The more i learn the more i wonder how any of my scratch builds fly lol! Great video.
@snow5772
@snow5772 5 жыл бұрын
ive built 4 and none of them flew
@senthilkumar9606
@senthilkumar9606 5 жыл бұрын
I built 4 and only 1 flew
@mortache
@mortache 5 жыл бұрын
I've built 3 and they flew only for a few seconds lol
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 5 жыл бұрын
This is what the Wright Brothers went through!! 😋 CoG is probably the most important thing on any Aircraft design.
@yoyokPM
@yoyokPM 5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsBnrNV-uKvOqGw.html
@ZimmMr
@ZimmMr 4 жыл бұрын
Love this! Any chance you could explain vortex generators as well?
@funkypops1824
@funkypops1824 8 жыл бұрын
Great Video!! Thanks. I too would be interested in the links you mentioned. I am curious about Bi-Planes and how the second wing affects COG depending on if the wings are staggered or even with each other. Crazy me wants to add a wing to a DTFB Texan/Harvard I built.
@ghurarnesha2896
@ghurarnesha2896 7 жыл бұрын
That is really helpful. Thank you for sharing the knowledge of stability. :)
@prateekshrestha9824
@prateekshrestha9824 8 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for putting your videos together. Super helpful for the first RC airplane I am putting together. By training, I am a mechanical engineer and understanding the concepts in relation to various moments generated is very helpful. One quick suggestion: at around timestamp of 7:00, it would be helpful to add a subtitle saying that the presumed airflow is going into the screen and towards you.
@biglon62
@biglon62 8 жыл бұрын
Professor EA! Thank you!
@johnnyonaboat
@johnnyonaboat 6 жыл бұрын
Very good info, I'm rebuilding a kitfox and trying to do this full scale. I plan on using a heavier motor, so now I need a larger vert stab and elevator?
@vipertech9108
@vipertech9108 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! Cg has been a constant aggravation on my builds. I now understand what the moment arm means and I see what has gone wrong with some of my builds. I am a fan of bi-planes, any possibility of an EA bipe?
@DamianoNatali
@DamianoNatali 6 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Thanks for the great video! Referring to 3:59, I don't think the centre of gravity is moving (it's a property of the body regardless of it's orientation), I guess you get additional stability because the centre of lift is shifting backwards.
@mannynunez1481
@mannynunez1481 8 жыл бұрын
This is a great explanation. Thanks!
@frez777
@frez777 3 жыл бұрын
Best video on this subject out there!
@Glicksman1
@Glicksman1 2 жыл бұрын
Except for R/C airlanes expected to do intricate aerobatics, I have found that a horizontal stabilizer/elevator with greater area (I prefer more span to more chord) is the best way to go. Many an otherwise nice model has been made virtually unflyable with a too-small horizontal stab. By doing this, as you have said, the aerodynamic centre moves rearwards and if a light building technique for the increased stabilizer is used, the CG will not move rearward very much. This will, of course, increase the distance between the aerodynamic centre and the center of gravity, thereby increasing pitch stability. This is much to be desired for sailplanes and free flight models.
@skid3339
@skid3339 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, what about the design where the prop and electronics are in the back of the fuselage?
@stickmixfpv188
@stickmixfpv188 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool explanation! Really helps to understand, what's going on in what case.... Big thumps up for that video!
@stickmixfpv188
@stickmixfpv188 8 жыл бұрын
What calculator do you use, to find the cg on a swept wing or a deltawing?
@ExperimentalAirlines
@ExperimentalAirlines 8 жыл бұрын
+Stickmix FPV Darn, meant to put those in the description. Look there now.
@stickmixfpv188
@stickmixfpv188 8 жыл бұрын
+ExperimentalAirlines Superb! The cg calculator is the same I used. the other one is new to me. thank you.
@ricomajestic
@ricomajestic 7 жыл бұрын
Did you make that model plane?
@tonygibson5732
@tonygibson5732 6 жыл бұрын
Stickmix FPV wedghll
@usmandogar5946
@usmandogar5946 4 жыл бұрын
hi. May Allah give you long life. you are the great man. who explained very easy talk way and with the showing of examples.
@drewdarnel233
@drewdarnel233 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks I’m starting my own design. Nothing to crazy but this is very helpful
@stevefox3763
@stevefox3763 7 жыл бұрын
this video was very helpful, just one question, to find the visual point that the plane is level so I can balance it with that as a reference and then make a touch nose heavy, would using a spirit level on the tail give the angle at which the plane in general is level?
@VTOLKits
@VTOLKits 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as allways ....
@sherazkhan2939
@sherazkhan2939 5 жыл бұрын
Really beautiful plane. Please, it is possible for you to share the design and electronics specs of this orange and yellow plane? I would love to build and fly it.
@AzTrailRider57
@AzTrailRider57 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial!!
@birendrakumar-gl5gq
@birendrakumar-gl5gq 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information But how do i find cg of a plane??
@mario_uzumaki
@mario_uzumaki 6 ай бұрын
and the gyroscope effect on the rotor of a chopper are affecting too
@Damitsall
@Damitsall 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I'd love to buy one of those planes from you, they look easy to make.
@lw216316
@lw216316 5 жыл бұрын
So on a new plane I should place the battery so that the middle of the battery is directly over the center of gravity line ?
@tomwolf9420
@tomwolf9420 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. To me its a need-it-right-this-second thing: was questioning at RCG. What about the APD? Is the cg located in similar range?
@davidfurminieux4357
@davidfurminieux4357 8 жыл бұрын
As always! your videos are superb very explicative and very simplified for noobs like me! do you have any recommendations for further reading If one would like to have a more precise/correct version/explanation of CG in particular and model aircraft design in general
@ThePTOV
@ThePTOV 8 жыл бұрын
I love all ur vids :) Can you do an intro to fpv vid modernized as part of noob tube
@onmyworkbench7000
@onmyworkbench7000 Жыл бұрын
Growing up flying models with my dad he TOLD me the samething, if your airplane balances between 25 to 33% of the cord on a stright wing it will fly. Using that rule of thumb I have built many single boom and twin boom pushers and they ALL flew very well.
@StuDawg84
@StuDawg84 8 жыл бұрын
How did you find the CG and moment on the Ansley peace drone?
@mohittandel5441
@mohittandel5441 4 жыл бұрын
How much curved wing's upper surface need to parfom efficiently and how much redias liding aedj need
@smokster0604
@smokster0604 8 жыл бұрын
So help full for sure.......
@ReevansElectro
@ReevansElectro 8 жыл бұрын
I think it would be clearer to explain the difference between and the relationship of the centre of LIFT and the centre of gravity.
@chrisbolland5634
@chrisbolland5634 6 жыл бұрын
If kerbal space program tough me anything, it that Jeb's nuts. Nahh just kidding, it's that you put the center of lift behind the center of mass. Not by a lot, but comfortably close.
@frankienv3906
@frankienv3906 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbolland5634 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsVghZOWvLWvnqc.html
@goazhar7704
@goazhar7704 4 жыл бұрын
Can't agree more 😃
@ruisimoes3638
@ruisimoes3638 4 жыл бұрын
would be nice to see something like this for canards.
@javieruriel
@javieruriel 6 жыл бұрын
And what about the flying wings or delta wings?
@willwinn8559
@willwinn8559 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation .. 👍👍
@Dannyboy420ism
@Dannyboy420ism 4 жыл бұрын
excellent channel you my go to guy now bro
@linsfunbox4052
@linsfunbox4052 10 ай бұрын
Nice video! When designing our own plane, should we keep both side of CG have the same weight?
@pushpasrivastava915
@pushpasrivastava915 6 жыл бұрын
Which airfoil did you use sir?
@mmomsboy
@mmomsboy 4 жыл бұрын
Any ideas on why with the 737 Max. Boeing has set the VIT maximum tail trim limits to render the elevators useless. Are they thinking extreme nose/tail loading and forgetting it may be either way and then allowing even more trim via MCAS. Surely that trimming method even with a faulty sensor input must never be able to overcome elevator control, because at the moment it most certainly can
@Chris-vc1dh
@Chris-vc1dh Жыл бұрын
what about if the wing in my plane is not straight but back swept a bit, how to get CG on it please?
@AnandPrabhjyot
@AnandPrabhjyot 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are a great help for young modelers like me! Thanks a lot!
@amazingthings1702
@amazingthings1702 3 жыл бұрын
hey , What materials were used to build YOU aircraft, and thank you in advance ?
@surajbiswas8642
@surajbiswas8642 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining in details.
@surajbiswas8642
@surajbiswas8642 6 жыл бұрын
Could you please explain more about how you make your own rc plain.
@timothyprigg6444
@timothyprigg6444 8 жыл бұрын
Ed- Another wonderful explanation. As you were explaining that the CG is 25-33% of the airfoil, I was saying "What about the control surfaces"? ... Then you got to it. My question is regarding your recommendation to only consider the cambered portion of the wing in the calculation - "resulting in a conservative solution. It seems to me, that considering the shorter of the two sections, would move the "Calculated CG" forward (25% of 6 is 1.5 and 25% of 7 is 1.75). This calculation would tend to "favor" a tail heavy situation. I always thought that -"nose heavy flies poorly, tail heavy flies once..." Am I unbalanced?... All I know is that you designs fly great! Thanks- Tim
@smuenchRC
@smuenchRC 8 жыл бұрын
good point moving it forward does make it more tail heavy. Further issue is that using the recommended low end of the range, 25% makes it even more tail heavy. Conversely if you used the other end of the range (33% of 6 is 2.0 and 33% of 7 is 2.2) That makes the rule of thumb range of .70 (or less than 3/4", not a huge amount in the scope of things)
@zoranvlahovic7955
@zoranvlahovic7955 7 жыл бұрын
how to calculate neutral point of plane?
@saifulsiam3674
@saifulsiam3674 6 жыл бұрын
sir,I have a Question??
@bulldogg7000
@bulldogg7000 8 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Winyhope50
@Winyhope50 6 жыл бұрын
very well explained
@G4Disco
@G4Disco 8 жыл бұрын
I like these theory videos.
@sunnyray7819
@sunnyray7819 3 жыл бұрын
Great Videos Man!!! You have a new channel?
@sirius9897
@sirius9897 2 жыл бұрын
Wooow, excellent explanations thanks
@rchobbykhem
@rchobbykhem 2 жыл бұрын
What inch cg put you in this plane sir from tha leading edge how much Inch
@DontEverGrowUp
@DontEverGrowUp 4 жыл бұрын
If the center of gravity is where the aircraft balances, and you don't include the control surfaces in the chord length to compute the c.g. on the wing, that seems to me that this would result in the measurement being forward of the c.g. - so wouldn't that make the airplane tail heavy instead of nose heavy? And if the center of gravity is where the aircraft balances, how can it possibly change depending on angle of attack? Is my understanding of what c.g. is skewed? Am I perhaps improperly equating it with center of mass?
@purwoerdiantoro1245
@purwoerdiantoro1245 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explanation
@iforce2d
@iforce2d 5 жыл бұрын
damn.... this is a great video!!
@martini4753
@martini4753 3 жыл бұрын
Hi could You please recommend cheap motor.
@rabindranathramsarop
@rabindranathramsarop 8 жыл бұрын
please check at 3.46 you say cg varies with aoa. I do not think this is correct. The cg remains the same but the center of pressure varies with aoa.
@divyar8402
@divyar8402 5 жыл бұрын
true , that statement bothered me too.
@786Raam
@786Raam 5 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment, glad you mentioned!!
@abhilashpatel1809
@abhilashpatel1809 5 жыл бұрын
right
@AliKhan-xe4wb
@AliKhan-xe4wb 6 жыл бұрын
Center of pressure moves forward with aoa not rear
@fyzobaba
@fyzobaba 4 жыл бұрын
Hey u need to build a pylon racer 800mm -1m wing span
@StephenTack
@StephenTack 8 жыл бұрын
Super helpful,. Thanks!
@elektron2kim666
@elektron2kim666 11 ай бұрын
Drawing circles around the pivot points of the control surfaces will also help (or bubbles in an imaginary sense). I also wonder if a discharged battery is light weight in comparison to a fully charged one or both extremes do a difference in the aether. A motor full of magnetism certainly mess with what we can't see. :)
@fanoooooo6
@fanoooooo6 3 жыл бұрын
good video , top bloke
@gsansoucie
@gsansoucie 8 жыл бұрын
Ed, any interest in creating an "Experimental Airlines" FaceBook group for people to post their experiences?
@johnslett
@johnslett 5 жыл бұрын
There must be a reference point where I can use a level and to determine if it is level. I’m not sure a visual observation will suffice to knowing when a plane is level especially on larger RC planes.
@BSquared1000
@BSquared1000 5 жыл бұрын
I had a similar concern. In the YT video titled "Vanessa Center of Gravity Machine," there is much discussion about placing a level on the horizontal stabilizer. Even adding an equivalent weight at the front of the plane to equalize the weight of the level.
@mickthemardy
@mickthemardy 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@johnymerida2110
@johnymerida2110 Жыл бұрын
Hornet Centro de gravedad??
@erikowsiak
@erikowsiak 2 жыл бұрын
thank you ... good video
@satishnatarajan
@satishnatarajan 7 жыл бұрын
at 3:43 you said COG will shift by higher angle of attack? How will it shift? I thought COG of an object doesn't change.
@seven9766
@seven9766 5 жыл бұрын
The CG stays the same in the airframe, yes. But it changes with regard to the wing and the airflow around the wing. The farther the cg from the wing line, the greater the effect.
@mmomsboy
@mmomsboy 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, I just actually noticed a chap (Rog) with concerns that are just so similar to mine. I've been posting my concerns for months with sometimes even pilots poo pooing! although with the Senate and House hearings in the US. concerning the Boeing 737 Max crashes. Negative postings to me have gone quiet. So maybe, just maybe..even another fix.
@likemet
@likemet 6 ай бұрын
I like this video education. 👍👍👍👍👍 Thankyu mister.
@the_real_foamidable
@the_real_foamidable 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool video, I learned a lot from it. One question/smartassism: you say twice that the components on the back are adding weight "disproportional" because of the long lever. Shouldn't it be "proportional" because of torque=distance*force .
@ExperimentalAirlines
@ExperimentalAirlines 8 жыл бұрын
+foamidable From a strictly physics standpoint, yes. For builders with less knowledge in that area I was trying to convey that stuff mounted far rear of the CG has a larger effect than mounting the same thing in the nose closer to the CG. It probably wasn't the best way to describe it though.
@creativebj2186
@creativebj2186 Жыл бұрын
Nice explain sir,
@johnnyllooddte3415
@johnnyllooddte3415 4 жыл бұрын
how do you MOVE your cg BACK to the middle of plane
@johnnyllooddte3415
@johnnyllooddte3415 4 жыл бұрын
wow you answered most of my question...thanks
@PakiNewsNetwork
@PakiNewsNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
You are my teacher!
@yfcdiyprojects2786
@yfcdiyprojects2786 7 жыл бұрын
What happens if the aircraft is tail heavy?
@RobB_VK6ES
@RobB_VK6ES 7 жыл бұрын
there is am adage that says a nose heavy plane flys poorly and a tail heavy plane flys once. ie it crashes
@sarmedalneemy2066
@sarmedalneemy2066 5 жыл бұрын
شكرا"للتوضيح
@SkibidiWaPaPaPaPa
@SkibidiWaPaPaPaPa 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Let me know if you're in Los Angeles, I will buy you a beer :)
@stephenkrall7609
@stephenkrall7609 8 жыл бұрын
Great info. This is perfect for Noobs like me.
@MOONsRCPLANES.
@MOONsRCPLANES. Жыл бұрын
Sir where are you?????? Sir we miss you 😢 Please answer Where are you now😔
@z8machine
@z8machine 6 жыл бұрын
Or, use the main spar. Done.
@johnjriggsarchery2457
@johnjriggsarchery2457 6 жыл бұрын
Soooo, would a flat Earther call it "center of bouyancy" or "center of density"? They may not believe in airplanes though just like they don't believe in gravity.
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