Explained: "Cockpit Visual Recon Mode" Now Working

Explained: "Cockpit Visual Recon Mode" Now Working | DCS WORLD

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@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Just some additional notes: if your mission is set to anything other than 'fog of war' or view all, only tactical commanders and JTAC slots will have fog of war view - with one exception. Unfortunately in 'Allies only' view, Tac commander and JTAC does NOT get Fog of War.

@williammccaine3072 3 жыл бұрын

Can't seem to get it to work. left alt + C works but right click mouse gets no reticle.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

@@williammccaine3072 Then cockpit visual recon is not turned on, or forced off on the server. Some servers have it optional which means it must be on, in your local settings.

@williammccaine3072 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironwulf2000 Thank you, that fixed it. Working now.

@bmw540i 3 жыл бұрын

I would like it if they didn't update they're position. The report should be, that's where they were, if they move, they shouldn't be updated on F10 until they are spotted again.

@CakePrincessCelestia 3 жыл бұрын

Are they updated though? I also think only the "last known" position should be shown.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

It will disappear if reported by an AI who does visual recon, but not as yet, for players.

@bmw540i 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironwulf2000 cheers 👍🇬🇧

@matk4731 3 жыл бұрын

Always wondered what the bloody hell this was. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃

@redssracer4153 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh...I see now... 😏

@ericbromm7524 3 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there

@redssracer4153 3 жыл бұрын

@@ericbromm7524 😁

@jameswatson5380 3 жыл бұрын

This will make it all feel so much more immersive. F10 is a dcs killer.

@GrizzleBock 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant !

@staubsauger2305 3 жыл бұрын

Recon missions now worthwhile. Great stuff.

@BarkerVancity 5 ай бұрын

thank you. man this game would suck without youtube

@mrkeogh 3 жыл бұрын

This will be _awesome_ in an RF-4: pilot flying nap of the earth, back-seater doing recon. Also makes scout helicopters much more tactically useful and will force people to make use of cover & concealment for ground units, which will be great for immersion and making the game that bit more challenging.

@NaughtyNimitz 3 жыл бұрын

And then me with my A-10c loaded with 19 x mk82 will bomb the crap out those spotted enemies.

@rhysgoodman7628 Жыл бұрын

@@NaughtyNimitz or an Su-33, which has the highest bomb load in DCS. 😉

@docholliday1811 3 жыл бұрын

Great information thank you.

@therealsilens 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Can't wait for this to get greater adoption by the playerbase.

@napnic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Reapers awesome.

@AXL4LIFE229 3 жыл бұрын

Nice !!!

@felixx75 3 жыл бұрын

"Right-Click" after "LALT+C" does nothing for me... Any idea? I don't have the red marker...

@BaronQuertier 3 жыл бұрын

Same for me. Been trying to figure it out but no joy

@officialusmanqureshi 3 жыл бұрын

gotta turn it on in settings

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Some servers have it forced off. If the server has it optional, it must be turned on in your local settings.

@felixx75 3 жыл бұрын

@@officialusmanqureshi was the first, I checked... It's turned on in settings AND mission settings.

@felixx75 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironwulf2000 I tried it on different servers, wich have switched it on, and I tried it on my own server. I can't get it to work.

@JD96893 3 жыл бұрын

God damn! Why didn't we have this before!!! This is game changing! Playing ground attack will now be way more fun. I used to use map markers. But few people put them down. Playing in the viggen on alpenwolfs server was kind of pointless without knowing qfe of targets. Now its not!

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

It has been in DCS for as long as I have been playing it which is over 2 years... it just did not work properly - the 'reticle' went behind terrain. If you search the GR videos you can find an old video Cap did about it years ago.

@dddfeardi 3 жыл бұрын

This seems incredibly fiddly. Aside from technical limitations of the engine, I can't see a good reason for this to require switching to Cockpit External and activating a marker before you can use this. What's so wrong with just looking out the canopy and pressing a radio callback?

@Mich_Angel 3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome, thanks for the heads up CAP! CHEERS!

@getsideways7257 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to the "cockpit" part I always had a completely different idea of what it was about...

@theonefrancis696 3 жыл бұрын

Holdup.

@getsideways7257 3 жыл бұрын

@@theonefrancis696 You mean it took the devs a while to explain? Hell, yeah :)

@rolinthor 3 жыл бұрын

Now I hope they do mark points for Viper, finally.

@pethell448 3 жыл бұрын

In VR, it is not working with the F/A-18. But with the Flaming Cliffs A10... :-$

@rat276 3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome. Does that work for multicrew. Can the f14 Rio to this for example?

@theonefrancis696 3 жыл бұрын

It does, tested in MP

@rhysgoodman7628 Жыл бұрын

@@theonefrancis696 THAT is badass. When the F-4 arrives, the WSO can recon the area while the pilot flies like a madman!

@kebabit707 6 ай бұрын

how can i look around the cockpit with my mouse instead of the hat on my joystick or the keypad

@mgancarzjr 3 жыл бұрын

Whaaaaaaat? Neat.

@ozguroner9944 3 жыл бұрын

Nice. Will try it for sure. One question though, isn’t it a bit unrealistic that I would see a bandit at all times just because I spotted it once. I just spotted it, did not put a tracking device on it right. Any comments?

@Johnny641 3 жыл бұрын

It is unrealistic but if ultimate realism is what a player is after they shouldn't be using the F10 map at all I guess.

@ozguroner9944 3 жыл бұрын

@@Johnny641 pilots have maps with grids on their knees and that’s how they tell each other what they spotted when and where. F10 is the only proper way to do it for us. The other kneepad map in DCS is too rough to do that unfortunately. I guess they could add an option to track target location or just leave it static when it was spotted the last time?! I think this would be easy to implement as an option to make it more realistic for those who want the extra challenge.

@Johnny641 3 жыл бұрын

@@ozguroner9944 Yes I know, again it depends on what level of realism you want. If not in VR you could print out physical maps of the areas of ops, fablon them and use them exactly how you would in real life to do exactly what you stated but let's be real 99.99% are not going going to do that, maybe a tablet knee board ?? If I am in aircraft that has modern Nav systems then I try not to use F10 at all, but on older birds it becomes almost impossible as you stated. I mainly fly helos and have put the Huey to one side as having to use F10 a lot did break immersion for me. In VR you are also knackered if getting target info as it becomes a nightmare as using a pen and paper is a no go. I agree perhaps there could be a few extra levels of granularity to the recon mode, perhaps after some feedback ED may well do this.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

As has been mentioned several times, this is not considered right behaviour and has been reported as a bug. Units that have been detected by AI will disappear when out of sensor or visual range, so it is already modelled to some extent.

@CakePrincessCelestia 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great addition, 'specially if you want to plan a Viggen strike.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Its actually been in for years, just not functioning properly

@CakePrincessCelestia 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironwulf2000 I've seen the option like ages ago, but never got what it was supposed to do - well, apparently it didn't work right anyway and now I know what it does :)

@theonefrancis696 3 жыл бұрын

Fog of War, commonly spelt "FAW" by most people lol

@andreartymiuk 3 жыл бұрын

If a spotted unit MOVES from the location where it was recorded does it also move on the F10 map, or does it stay in the location where it was first spotted? Horribly unrealistic if the unit moves on the F10 map even if no-one in visual range to see that it has moved. But if it Doesn't move when the unit moves it is totally dangerous since other flights using the map would be misled. If the unit moves from the spotted location it should be removed from the map surely?.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Its being looked at - I have logged some bugs/improvements for the system with ED - and that's about all I can say.

@lohrtom 3 жыл бұрын

Does this mean recon missions will be incorporated into future GR games?

@grimreapers 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure yet. It means you have to use Fog Of War map settings. That's a bit noobish for GR these days. Prefer Blues-only or nothing on Map view.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers You can use own aircraft, as we do in the Iran Campaign - in fact that is specifically WHY we use it in the Iran campaign, because FoW is not available to Tac commanders in 'allies only'

@TEACypher 3 жыл бұрын

Can we do this with targets seen through tpods?

@grimreapers 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone know?

@CakePrincessCelestia 3 жыл бұрын

TEACypher, you should have spelled that like TEAPots :)

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Lets just say... not yet. I can't say much else.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

You can use the Tpod to cue where you are looking, and if they are within visual range it can pick them up even if you cannot clearly make them out

@rverc1235 3 жыл бұрын

Ello cap Mr trump here

@rusfeedernoob5441 3 жыл бұрын

I don't get the point of this. Aren't the complexity and limitations part of the fun in learning and playing a simulation? Do you guys really want 3D spotting like in battlefield on the press of a button, counting and discribing targets (if I saw that correctly)? The targeting pod and stuff at least require inputs, attention and time. Even zooming in those hawkeyes feels cheap to me. However I do remember times where you needed mods to see trails of smoke as they just wouldn't display in a reasonable distance.

@ka-50withsaams36 3 жыл бұрын

I don't see this as a "Cheat" since the player needs to visually spot the unit themselves to click on it and "Report" it over radio. This also allows for better coordination between Humans and Ai aircraft. Even if the map markers are disabled, allied AI units will now be "aware" of the target. Maybe this won't get much use on multiplayer servers, but it will make singleplayer much less frustrating trying to get wingmen to engage targets. That is my understanding of it, though I might be off the mark.

@williammccaine3072 3 жыл бұрын

@@ka-50withsaams36 Former intel. This is more realistic than you realize. Except for the continuous update of course.

@ka-50withsaams36 3 жыл бұрын

@@williammccaine3072 That part is probably for simplicity of programming and to avoid desync issues. I hope it gets fixed later.

@williammccaine3072 3 жыл бұрын

@@ka-50withsaams36 I have not been able to get to work anyway so for me I guess it's moot

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

Spotter aircraft and even many CAS aircraft carry binoculars... I dont see 'zoom' as an issue.

@Kraken9911 3 жыл бұрын

A10 pilots on suicide watch. Spotting targets was kinda their big thing.

@mrkeogh 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe DCS should have the age of the ident on the tag? Having the units persist on the map is probably bad for gameplay...after all, the units can manouever, hide, etc. so the recon info should be time-sensitive. I'd suggest a system that takes into account whether the units are mobile or stationary, unit type (is it fixed or can it move within 15 minutes etc. once spotted), and perhaps simple course & speed info. "Tanks, heading northwest, high speed" results in a little arrow vector with relevant info. "SAM, tracked, stationary" results in a more precise location which then grows into a circle after 15 minutes (or whatever that units decamp time is). I'm not averse to the idea of JSTARS...we have tankers and AWACS w/airborne battle managers, why not ground commanders with recon at their disposal?

@NaughtyNimitz 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrkeogh That's actually a good idea.

@natemorga 3 жыл бұрын

Why use a mode that is so arcade like in a simulator like this? its lame mode...

@joyceracing99 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was thinking to mark them with the targeting pod or something.

@CameTo 3 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, I just seen a feature that automatically tracks any unit, at any range, forever. It doesn't matter how far away it is from you, or other friendly unit. To make this work, you look in the vague direction of the target to the nearest mile. Now it might be unrealistic, but it's really useful in missions. Some haters will say what's the point of having fog of war? The answer is obvious! It's the same answer to all your queries, quirks and frustrations... This is a BETA, nobody forced you to play it.

@janhruska4471 3 жыл бұрын

ED should never create this feature, it will spoil fog of war and need of communications and Propper Recon. This is really a stupid thing for guys for curing stupidity.

@grimreapers 3 жыл бұрын

Remember that this mode can be disabled on server I think.

@Ironwulf2000 3 жыл бұрын

It will spoil fog of war? It already shows units detected by AI... why not units detected by humans? If you're that worried about it, turn on allies only then CVR has no effect.