Explaining the Difference Between a Conventional and Addressable Fire Alarm Control Panel

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@idkanymore9590 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! I’m planning on becoming a fire alarm technician after I graduate in 2 years and I’ve never understood the differences between conventional and addressable.

@dcrijo 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. I'm graduating in 2 weeks & leaning towards the fire alarm/security field. I haven't worked on any of this since passing the course about 2 months ago, so I'm searching for informative videos like this one. Good stuff!

@steeleybaker7779 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing! I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a while! Thank you!

@felixkwesiyeboah1858 4 жыл бұрын

Just watched this video and it really explained the difference very well. I'm very well satisfied and well understood. Thanks

@XerlixoG 3 жыл бұрын

I’m green in the Alarm and Security industry, just started 6 months ago! You’ve gained my sub sir 👌🏽

@eugenedeclaro408 3 жыл бұрын

very very good explanation!! he really knows what a non technical individual wants to know

@barneyatkinson-saul9881 2 жыл бұрын

I've been doing inspections for nearly 2 years now and am only just learning about addressable systems; they're pretty rare for the size of building that I tend to inspect I guess. Just doing quals to be certified and not use my boss' certification. Thanks for the video.

@chelseamason7185 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I'm an electrical apprentice and have been working with fire alarm systems for about a year

@souloho3900 2 жыл бұрын

Like 01/02 electrician or 06?

@riccbb609 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing video sir. Hope to hear and watch more video about fdas from you 👍👍👍

@lazydaddy1947 3 жыл бұрын

Needed to refresh into very well explained Thanks so much sir ..

@sheiladikshit5110 3 жыл бұрын

wild, never knew there was a hobby scene around fire alarms. in the real world, we call these things "a colossal pain in the ass, money pit, and generally something we hate dealing with". =)

@WhatALoadOfTosca 2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking that too!

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe try being a better engineer then.

@mixp4744 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video!

@UltimateManager 4 жыл бұрын

This video is very helpful, I never knew about conventional and addressable panels in detail until I watched this video and now I know what it is

@cartermcguinn5 4 жыл бұрын

Hello

@exitalarms1207 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@Ozai420 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video 🙏

@sludgeman2597 2 жыл бұрын

I'm about to start a security job at a Samsung facility and it has the most balls to the wall alarm system I've ever seen.

@user-tg4xj3id9t Жыл бұрын

thank you for this,, may boss would be grateful that ive learn from it.

@coreykl1344 4 жыл бұрын

Great video

@evanbart4109 5 жыл бұрын

Great video 😀👍👍

@logancoats 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome bro thanks!!!

@formosabrowning3539 2 жыл бұрын

AFP200. Love it!

@aslamforhadsymon3169 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Sir

@DavidLopez-zn2vt 4 жыл бұрын

This is a great way to learn!

@urielfrankflores5343 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video man much appreciated and you got clear thoughts about the difference between addressable and conventional fire alarm panels. Im a newbie in this industry by the way hehehe...

@kylehill3643 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisTopher284765490 6:26: "The module will only work from this manufacturer" Sounds like the McDonalds Ice Cream Machine issue which there is an entire documentary on how it works vs other fast food places that even uses the same company! Mcdonalds is locked into a particular contract they have to hire 'The man'.

@rmflores7096 3 жыл бұрын

I had an opportunity years ago to get into the security/fire alarm field but chose HVAC instead. I am currently installing my first conventional fire alarm system in a business that we are trying to open. It's not too bad, just tedious. CAD drawings help, (if you can see past the mistakes that were made). Word to anyone installing a FACP/ system...you should have some sort of working knowledge of electricity. These systems require a dedicated circuit and also pay close attention to how the CAD drawings (if available) have everything connected. The architect will usually draw it per code or like your governing jurisdiction requires. (Usually per code with something "a little extra" thrown in...lol). There is big money in the Fire alarm business, and most of it is labor. When people come along with the ability to perform their own labor, that becomes a game changer. See, big companies don't want to hear that you are installing your own equipment. Oh no no no...lol That's when the games begin

@SouthwestFireAlarms 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative!

@birendramalla2270 5 жыл бұрын

plz sucribe me about firealarm system

@nexen1041 4 жыл бұрын

I am new to this. our company wants to install zeta smart connect pannell with lots of addressable sounders, Call points and (combined smoke & heat detectors w/built in isolator, model. MKII-AOHI). do we have to buy a seperate (isolator base) for each detector or just go with the common base which comes with the detector?

@leojohnpasadas5157 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this vedio..

@sugarfreejulie 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the education. Incredible how someone would take the time to explain this in such simple and understandable terms. One question though, when migrating from conventional to addressable, must everything be pulled and changed?

@FireAlarmsandSuch 4 жыл бұрын

That greatly differs from brand to brand, contractor, budget, and building

@libertarianonwheels1172 4 жыл бұрын

Great video.

@dragonrider4253 Жыл бұрын

That's really interesting. Regional (or local) versus global.

@frankreiserm.s.8039 3 жыл бұрын

Great! Wish me luck on my fire alarm technician job interview,

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

Did you get the job?

@frankreiserm.s.8039 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dime_Bar No. It was for electronics repair of fire-alarm circuits. I encourage you to watch my geology and science videos by typing in on KZfaq Frank Reiser M.S.

@ekasusilo 5 жыл бұрын

Really great explanation! Do all of these systems require wiring from each sensing point to the control panel? How many wires (and the wire gauge) needed and what is the longest wire can go?

@goalie2998 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. But not all are home runs. The conventional style is grouped by zone. Each device on the desired zone is connected to a pair of wires known as the idc. A class a loop will begin, and end at the panel hitting each device on the loop along the route. A class b circuit will begin at the panel and hit each device on the circuit. Ending with an end of line resistor at the last device. An addressable system will bring the slc loop to each initation device. Each device is given a specific address which identifies at the control panel. The same class a or b wiring method rules apply . A class a circuit will begin and end at the fire panel. A class b slc loop will end in the field. Depending on brand of panel a resistor may not be required at the Last device.

@briancoira6468 3 жыл бұрын

In the conventional system , the different zones(circuits) would have multiple devices on each zone, with no individual identification. In the addressable/intelligent panels, all the devices can get spliced into the one SLC circuit coming from the panel, as long as they’re spliced into anywhere in the SLC circuit they will have data to communicate

@briancoira6468 3 жыл бұрын

Typically can be 18 gage wire for those circuits and they can go pretty far more than 1000 feet I don’t have the exact numbers with me, but the addressable panel can have one 2 conductor coming off the SLC and branch out to the devices whereas the conventional panel typically has a 2 conductor coming off EACH zone circuit and typically from one device to the next until the end of line, without branching

@ekasusilo 3 жыл бұрын

@@briancoira6468 do you know what kind of communication protocol is on the wire? is there a standard for this? like open standard or mostly proprietary?

@briancoira6468 3 жыл бұрын

@@ekasusilo I believe they are proprietary, protocols only within the brand devices and main panel. For another brand panel, you would specifically need that brand devices

@MisterBrownJack 5 жыл бұрын

Cool!!!! :)

@Firealert101 Жыл бұрын

So I have a sk 5700 (as seen on my videos) and it doesn’t blink constantly it only does like every 30 seconds

@curonelectricity Жыл бұрын

I like your video ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@wakanky 2 жыл бұрын

what is better ? smoke detectors with 2 or 4 wires ?

@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 5 жыл бұрын

Even if the modules and panel are the same manufacturer, does the actual call point/pull station itself have to match also? For example, if you had a Simplex addressable system with a broken pull station, would it be possible to use a Honeywell pull station to replace it, or would it have to be a Simplex one in order to work with that specific module? I know that over here in New Zealand systems are often maintained by different companies than the original installer, who may not use the same components (for example, you might have a system installed by Wormald, who use Vigilant call-points, but if it is being maintained by Chubb, they get their call points from Pertronic, so they would likely use a Pertronic call point to replace a broken Vigilant.

@FireAlarmsandSuch 5 жыл бұрын

Hi there! As long as the module matches the panel, you can use anything on the module. The only restriction for modules is that, if it’s looking for a NC switch, you can’t use a NO one

@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 5 жыл бұрын

@@FireAlarmsandSuch Exactly as I thought. Thanks.

@birendramalla2270 5 жыл бұрын

plz sucribe me about firealarm system

@richardfinney2548 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Was just wondering, is the communication done through hardwires only? Are there any RF components in these systems?

@RustikWudworks 2 жыл бұрын

i THINKK THE PANELS THEMSELVES COULD HAVE rf COMM UNITS.

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

In the UK you can get addressable wireless detectors, so you have a module that is wired to the main fire alarm which then connects the wireless detectors to the panel.

@grubbymuffin 3 жыл бұрын

Do you know the CHEAPEST possible panel? i want to start collecting but i want a panel with it.

@JuanCarlos-fi9bh 4 жыл бұрын

My son have a t-bar and a NBG-12LX double pull station

@James_Bowie 4 жыл бұрын

Good info, but I get motion dizziness from your jerky camera technique.

@Mario_1309 2 жыл бұрын

do you HAVE to have a module?

@ShowtimeFox123 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I do however have a quick question. When it comes to conventional fire alarm systems, do addressable pull stations work with conventional systems? I got a bit confused when you said conventional panels will work with any 'conventional' device.

@FireAlarmsandSuch 3 жыл бұрын

Addressable devices will not work on a conventional panel, unless the addressable part is removed/bypassed and the device is made conventional. A conventional device will work on an addressable panel as long as you have an addressable module to read the input of the conventional pull station

@ShowtimeFox123 3 жыл бұрын

@@FireAlarmsandSuch Gotcha. Thanks for the reply!

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

@@FireAlarmsandSuch as far as I'm aware you can't make an addressable MCP a conventional mcp

@fernandoorige7310 3 жыл бұрын

I have a conventional. Don't you think that I can connect on parallel a relay to a strobe light where a NC contact can disconnect a magnetic door lock? I mean, when the power comes to the strobe, the relay will open the NC contact, cutting the circuit of different divice that is not interfering to the system

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

Yes that is possible

@salvadorewilliams5559 Жыл бұрын

Addressable generally loops back into the panel, conventional doesn't

@sureshs8313 4 жыл бұрын

FACP SHOWING AS location andFlow SW fire? In addressable system Is it by smoke detector or water flow

@victoropoku7005 4 жыл бұрын

Suresh S is water flow

@malusishabalala3679 4 жыл бұрын

I don't understand your question

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

Flow SW is a flow switch as in sprinklers.

@moparfam300c 5 жыл бұрын

Is a Non-Addressable Panel good for a Household System?

@malusishabalala3679 4 жыл бұрын

Yes if the house hold is not too big and you zoning chart drawing should be clear which zone zone belongs to which part of the house.

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍 only issue is if you put a fire alarm in your house and it activates while you're on holiday it will just keep sounding till you get home. Mains powered with battery backup house alarms are better as they will stop sounding when the smoke clears or the dam spider has crawled out of the detector

@jamesgrose4819 Жыл бұрын

Addressable systems by notifier do require resistors.

@charlesrodriguez7984 3 жыл бұрын

So do fire alarm panels have a battery backup just in case there’s a power failure?

@FireRescue80 3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@kylehill3643 2 жыл бұрын

@@FireRescue80 Will a fire alarm panel likely survive a massive EMP attack?

@jordanharris3553 2 жыл бұрын

Look at that wiring job in the next room on the ceiling my God

@ahsanulhaque8288 Жыл бұрын

Plz share wrong device trouble

@FireAlert 5 жыл бұрын

cool! but at 4:00 the 120v a.c does not look very safe

@FireAlarmsandSuch 5 жыл бұрын

Sadly, yes that is the case. When I received the panel, there were issues that were not disclosed, the AC being one of them, so I got some of my money back

@JuanCarlos-fi9bh 4 жыл бұрын

@Dime_Bar 2 жыл бұрын

Well spotted. You could buy a connector block off eBay and soldier it back on.