A breath of fresh air ER. I agree with your comments. Keep up your good work please.

You know my opinion of buying Chinese bikes. Your reviews are still of huge value and appreciated.

A really nice alternative for those that can't afford a Honda or Suzuki....... 😇

Good advice there Steve👍👍

An honest review. Love it.

Nice review here mate

Hi Exeter Rider,love your channel,very interesting, met you once,it was good to have a chat with you,I own a cfmoto Mt 650, I totally agree when you said poor dealer back up,it's a shame as I love my bike,owned it from new 6years ago,never let me down,look forward to chatting with you again,great work. Roders

Good Video, thanks for posting. Just to balance reliability concerns somewhat, it's probably worth noting that these come with a 4 year warranty in the UK.

Thanks for taking us along for the ride

Great review with good information regarding the bike. I will stick to my Hondas. But do agree if the reliability was better makes a good bike to put on your list. Maybe they will improve in time, but I Think the price will also rise. Cheers

The best advice is to take a test ride. Peak power is just a number. Daytona is pegged at 95PS to qualify for European A2 license restriction. The Daytona mid range is something else. I would be sorely tempted by the RS660’s suspension though.

i bought a benelli trk 702 i love it apart from the slow speed fueling its very jerky.

Another great honest review! Top man 👏🏻

Another nice honest opinion there Mike. It's a twin, so now we have a Chinese bike with twice the number of parts you won't be able to get for eight months when something breaks. Sounds like progress to me ! 😂 I suspect that you might be right about the manufacturing tolerances not being up to other brands' spec. The Chinese are still finding their feet with these things. I'm sure that they will improve the quality of their motorcycles significantly in the next few years. Many of us wouldn't consider this bike, for the reasons that you mentioned. With an entry level MT 800 costing eight grand, depreciation becomes a REAL concern. I think that somebody could easily buy one of these, ride it for a year, not really get on with it and then have to drop the price to five grand or lower to get rid of the thing. Losing three grand in one year is a BIG hit. I still can't change my opinion that Chinese bikes are currently really only worth considering at the learner end of the scale. If you need to buy a 125 for a year or two until you pass your test and can get something bigger, then by all means buy the Chinese 125 that takes your fancy. Because of the low initial price, when you sell it on in a couple of years, you won't stand to lose much money. But the more expensive these Chinese bikes get, the more concerning the depreciation becomes ! I'm sure that this is another capable bike and one which many people would be happy with. But you have to ask yourself, is buying one of these a WISE decision ? Probably not. Like you, I think it is a risky decision. Eight grand takes some earning and I'd rather earn another two grand and go out and buy a Honda, knowing that a large chunk of that ten grand is still going to be in the bike when it is a couple of years old. Cheers Mike, thanks for taking the time and as ever, for being totally honest with everybody ! Norbert and Maisie in Provence.

I test rode one and Thought it was as comfortable a bike as I have ridden. The way I think of buying a new brand like this though is to give it a couple of years, it will be 2 grand cheaper, problems will become apparent if any and you'll still have 2 years warranty left. Lots of people only keep a bike a couple of years even if they are brilliant, we all think the next bike is our forever one. Used with 2or 3000 miles I think is always the best value for money.

Love my 800MT Explore but you are right about the fueling. An updated map be on the way at some point to counter act the emission laws in the UK

I bought a new Kawasaki few years ago and it was delivered to me, the left mirror came loose after 3 miles of riding, at that point I checked all the nuts and bolts I could to be sure. Cfmoto have hit the market with amazing specs for less than the competition and only time will tell on reliability. The only thing that would stop me buying one of these is that the Suzuki vstrom 800re can be picked up for around £1200 more.

Great review Steve. I think if you get one and accept what you're getting, the it's probably a bargain. The spec levels on them is amazing. That fuelling is a common problem with them apparently. I'm interested to see the Voge DSX900 when it arrives over here.

On looks i prefer their MT450 model,but as you said Steve £8000ish for a brand new 1 of these is actually pretty decent in todays market! 👍 I give your vid 9/10 &;would have been 10/10 if you'd used the cruise control,so you didn't slow down too much for the high 5 at the end! 😮🤣😂✌️ My F850GS has cruise,but was an added factory extra & still not used it! 😉👍

You pays your money, to takes your choice. But better to do it with eyes wide open. You’ll have helped prospective buyers to get acquainted with the market and that’s important. Much better than certain channels where everything is rosy

It's comparatively cheap for a new bike, but for 8k you can get one hell of a bike just a few years old from other makes. The other bonus with buying a quality used bike is that the teething troubles have usually been sorted and very often has quite a few add on accessories that we all spend a fortune on.

Almost scared to say that’s a good review, but what the hell….. it was😂. Plenty of positives but like I’ve said before no dealers anywhere near me.

watched the entire video, but i can not find a CFMoto here in the states yet. but i will guess, give it time!

Valid points raised in the video, it being made in China wouldn't necessarily put me off buying one, but I wouldn't buy new. I'd look for a low mileage used example assuming that there aren't any horror stories regarding reliability. There is a lot of bike for the money, just like the Benelli and Voge ranges.

You like it, yet you don't, a fair assessment you tell it as you see it and that's fair enough. Like you I'm a Honda fan boy but specking the Transalp to what the Moto offers might well cost you quite a bit more than 2 grand.

nicely done. Funny how we are unsure about some Chinese products whilst surrounded by them in every day life, probably in part due to the endless amount of Chinese shite on amazon, TEMU etc and we've all seen the dodgy adverts with the AI voice telling the story of Jack the college kid or the ex employee of "X" big tech firm that reverse engineered something which is causing a stir and you can buy one for £19.99 or that DJI Mavic they show in all the shots for £99 and when the poor mug buys one it's a £5 knock-off. Strong points: Price Spec Looks pretty smart Cruise control Bad points: see above paragraph 😅

Hi Steve it's Roders,my wife unfortunately doesn't ride but allows me out with my mates twice a week👍what a brill wife,,yes I count my self lucky regards my bike I am so close to up grading to mt800 but Abit scared I guess👀 anyway,,I say look after ur bike and keep it if you love it,Abit like you with bmw!! All good see you sometime 👍👍👍

you never looked finer than when you were on the orange street bob harley ,, put that in just to upset you , - hope s73 has a chukkle

At the moment we have a choice to by a bike not made in China. RE and the BSA in India. Honda make the 500cc engines in Thailand, not sure if the whole bike range is there. And various other manufacturers make bixe in other countries. Here's the thing tho. There was a time when a camera, tv or whatever you care to mention wasn't only made in China. There was a choice but in the end most of what we buy is made in China. Will there be a time, possibly in the next few years, when nearly all the motorcycle manufacturers will throw their lot into production in China and then our choice goes out of the window?

I see you’ve got a bit more flak for telling the story as it is, ER. It’s the old adage about not being able to please everybody all of the time. I suppose you’d be slated by others if you gave a glowing report on a machine that was notoriously problematic even if it didn’t present any problems when you tested it. A truthful review is what the punter is looking for. It does not compel him to buy or reject the product and only offers an opinion. I have a friend in Kingsteignton who late last year purchased the model of bike you have just reviewed and has had nothing but trouble with it. That alone would be enough to put me off buying a CF Moto.

That is a fantastic and very well balanced review. Credit where due Exeter Rider. Beautiful bike and a brilliant package. Also the flaws are there so people know exactly what they are signing up for. I also love the length of your videos. They cover just about the right stuff and keep the interest irked on. Must be hard yakka making these so kudos to you.

Interesting review mate, after my Sym 125 which is not a Chinese bike but made in Taiwan had issues but after i got those sorted i really liked the bike. Its really sad they dont sell them here anymore but i think that's one of the points you made. We dont know whats its going to be like until a decade down the line. With so many fly by night brands from China area ive got no confidence or would buy a bike like that, but have heared they are moving production to other countries to get sway from their bad inage. One point that i think deserves a mention is the resale. After getting my 3500 ish 125 after 6 months i was offered 800 quid. I don't imagine much resale value and people potentially taking a loss. I would never touch a Chinese bike, prefer proven reliability and when a dealer says 'its a cheap shit bike what did you expect' and fobs you off im put off for life. Free Tibet 🙏

no, rotax was bought by bombardier ; yeah , your right - why not filter thru the traffic ?? whats the point of being on a bike and parking behind cars ??

Bloody hell mate …. You must of had a right dodgy weekend. I watched both your reviews of the 450 and the 800 and really not up to your usual standard . You sound like you lost a pound and found a penny!!!!

Please don’t tell the truth😂😂😂

For the money it cost. you can get a SWM v1200 Strombreaker and be happy 😀

8:40 don't like the look of those racks without the cases it looks like a scaffolders nightmare, especially in sliver 🤔

Not one off your best videos reviews. I have one 14,000 miles in 6 months, I’ve none of your issues you’re having on mine! Go and get one for a few weeks and do a proper test!!

Isn’t voge Chinese ?

no , the newer hondas are rust buckets , and they are chinese in parts ;

How very dare you Tell the Truth!!! I don't watch KZfaq to hear the Truth!! Definitely won't buy one now. Wasn't going to anyway. Unsubscribed! ( You'd be lucky 🤣🤣🤣)

I don't think you should just take your mates' opinions as gospel, seems pretty shoddy.

In America, we tariff commies. I seem to remember the English also disapprove of fascist regimes. One should make efforts to be consistent in life. Either you approve of the Commies and therefore trade with them, or you dont and therefore shouldnt do business with them. Your integrity is in question. Example, unsubscribing, because now by helping you im helping them and thats not ok.