This video has proved controversial so I wanted to clarify some of the common threads that keep coming up.!. 1) I was negative as soon as I got on the bike. I would disagree with that , I was actually really impressed about the layout , and had got to the queue to ride one at 6:30am to make sure I did, but in the back of my mind I knew there was more to think about than just the bike, I had a duty to tell the viewers,some of whom may be placing hard-earned cash on buying one of these and I had to share my views on the bike and everything that goes with it. when I mentoned about the slow speed steering being a little odd,as I said it wasn't a negative, infact it was a positive in some ways because it made it less "twitchy" . It was an important observation which didn't corollate to any other bike I have ridden in the past. 2) I was basing all of this on "what happened to my mate" - partly yes,but also I have kept an eye on the forums for the last 2-3 years , he was not alone. and being offroad for 3 months due to parts is totally unacceptable, how would you feel if it was you're only means of transport??? Would you like me to mention this or gloss over it nextime and let people invest there money then cross fingers that they won't be in the same boat? 3) "They must be amazing because they are sold out until 2025" Well OK , but the truth is at the time of writing this there were only 15 in the country with no date for replenishment, so of course they will be sold out and infact some of those 15 were demo dealer bikes anyway. Some people have commented here that their local dealer is saying they wont get any until February.... 8 months away? So yes they are sold out, but the real bigger picture is different than the one portrayed. Overall I really want this bike and brand to work, but so far it's been rocky. This 450 is a nice little bike for many and their has been a lot of hype over it which is great ,but I want to deliver the facts as I see it rather than get "star struck" and "blinkered" by a low cost, high spec bike. What people don't see when watching this is the comments I get 2 years later on videos with people who have had issues and look at me that I never mentioned this even though it was known at the time. I will always bring you my view on things , I have whistle blown in the past and been right most (I think all) of the time . A good example is the moto Morrini brand - Good bikes but again ,no one mentions the parts issue and the fact that finding a dealer is quite complicated!!! So the people who own them now....what happens when it goes wrong!?!?!? This 450 is a good bike, but time will tell if the "whole package" works....I hope so. Reviewing bikes is like painting a picture....it's really hard to bring the good and the not so good and package it to give an over-all view and its something I have done well with over the years and will continue to do so. People want honestly , but when it goes against the grain of what they want to hearit gets a bit salty as my kids would say lol. The 800MT review is coming up, again nice bike partly based on the KTM790 engine which in the past has been known for snapping camshafts...hopfully that has been up-dated now and all will be fine. CFmoto also need to hear these reviews,and they will be watching so it also lets them know where they can improve. Re-sale value is also "I think " a relevant part, If you buy a brilliant Honda NX500 this year for £6800, next year you could sell it for 10% of it's price , could the same be said here? I'm not so sure. I hope CFmoto bring us what we all want from the brand, low cost, highly specified bikes. And I hope they prove reliable and parts will be easy to access in time. Note this review is based on UK infrastructure, not U.S or Australia for example where they are set up better. Cheers E.R

Steve, we are here exactly because you can give us your personal opinion of a rider with passion for bikes. They are selling as hot cakes at the moment. Just CF moto give to the people exactly what they wanted for years.. If Honda came up with the same bike, we are looking double the price at least.

I'm gonna be frank here. Your attitude coming into this review seemed negative. There was nothing up beat, or completely open about it, which is disappointing. You sounded so uninterested. You should go into it, putting your preconceptions aside, and then make a judgement afterwards. You made a lot of points which were negative based on other peoples experiences but never touched on the good experiences people have had. Do you not think that is biased? I do watch your videos and have done for years, but I am disappointed. I think you should lay out some points before you think about reviewing bikes in the future so it doesn't come across so badly. Your view is your view regardless of what others think, and I respect that, but make a conscious effort to be more unbiased by providing good and bad points that reflect the points you raise. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿

Exeter Rider I've noticed that you are more credible in your reviews than most other channels same for this video. Really like your content. Also what your thoughts are about CF Moto brand are spot on - they have a long way to go winning trust and confidence with motorcyclists and there are no short cuts to this. Moreover, I think the dealer network, wait times on parts, and also looking at the hype this machine caused (which is a very good machine don't get me wrong) vs how it actually is, makes it just a regular offering and else can be had in this money.

Enjoyed that mate. Wow you definitely fitted a lot in at the ABR! 👌🤗🏍️🎥🍺

Really like the looks of this bike good review there mukka

Good honest review Mate.

the bike has a glaring issue not many reviewer is saying which is uderstandable as they don't have the bike for long to know or experienced this issue. the issue is the lean fuelling making intermittent stalling while clutched in on low gears, people should know it's dangerous and is a deal breaker (at least for me), I have dumped the bike in my garage due to it and almost hit a car few days ago also due to it. No official word from Cfmoto if a fix ia coming although rumors says the NZ owners already have it in their first service but until then, be aware of this issue.

I've been watching too many hyped up videos talking about how good it is. You make some goods points about the cons. It might be safer to stick with my Honda 300 Rally for now 👍

Hey there exeter rider thanks for your honest opinion

This is the begenning of the Chinese tidal wave. Whether its motorcycles or electric cars, this is just the begenning of a huge transformation in all things on wheels.

nice take and some very helpful information regarding the potential issues of owning one. No-one has the right not to be offended and if you want to give an opinion you are bound to offend someone.

I think your spot on with this brand and spare parts.the 4 year warranty don't change nothing as most riders would trade in after 3 years anyhow to avoid the first mot.I picked up my Himalayan 450 from cms last Saturday.

A very interesting and balanced review when you take a lot of other reviews into account, I test rode that same bike at the ABR Festival on the Thursday afternoon, I loved it, light, responsive, a really well thought out bike, I totally agree about back up and spare parts being a concern, but at £5699.00 on the road I was willing to take the risk. I placed a deposit for one first thing the following Monday morning, I was expecting to wait a few months but I collect it next week, the following day all UK stock was sold out. I have been told there may be more UK stock in November.

Really enjoyed this one Steve. As top gear used to say 'genuine consumer advice' in this case really important. I got burned by Voge changing importers and was lucky to off load that bike at the time. It could have been worth sub 1000. Most dealers wouldn't touch it! Anyway good topic and important for folk to know. I liked the vid

I like ER 's videos because he never goes ott about any bike he rides. I think he adopts a pragmatic approach to his review. A bikes a bike, he likes some more than others, he points out what he likes and doesn't like. Says it's his opinion and it may not be yours. Try it for yourself. I will say this though, having spent all my working life in the motor repair trade, reliability and dealer support is a major factor in my buying decision. That's why I drive Honda CRV and ride a Honda CB500 Hornet. Cars and motorbikes are getting increasingly complicated, and difficult and costly to fix so for me reliability is paramount. I think it's fair to say my choice of motorised transport isn't the most exciting mode of transport, but they are well put together with well established dealer support network should you ever need it. Everything's fine until it goes wrong.

Good honest review 👍, in time, hopefully they will get better with after sales parts service etc.... but looks good. I didn't get chance to test ride one at ABR. But I did test ride the Himalayan 👍

Avoid cf moto until they have established themselves with a reputable dealer network and spares. I know two people who had similar bad experience, couldnt get dealer to fix, no spares. Lets hope other manufacturers get the message this is the bike spec we all crave.

I sat on one and was surprised at how light it was. I think it looks good. It's something for me to consider in the future.

What's the point of having a good looking bike if you can't fix it when (not if...) it needs repairs? 🤔

I really enjoyed your honest opinion. I just watched your review of the CFMoto, and a friend of mine thought I would be interested. I have the Tiger sports 660, I have had this bike for just over two years and love it. However, I was looking at a second bike for more off-road biking. I went to the bike show up in London this February and sat on the Himalayan 450, I really like it and would like to test ride the bike, plus I like the look of the bike.

An interesting take on the MT and CF in general Steve. I wasn’t aware of part supply issues but as a long term Honda rider (44 years of using their bikes all year round) I’ve never waited excessively for a part or had poor back up. My reluctance for the CF brand stems from the nearest dealer being four counties or approximately 109 miles away apparently!

Hi Steve, great to meet you last month at Jolly's and congrats on getting the meteor (I thought you would) I found on ebay the marsh grey classic I said I was looking for and made an offer today and accepted, so picking up Friday and no I'm not going to get rid of the himi, I just can't 😂. Hope to bump into you again, keep up the good work. M

It's a good looking machine. Is it the bike that's the ideal compromise between enough power on road and light enough off road? Think Nathan really likes it.

Thank you. A honest review on a much hyped up bike saying what most experienced riders will be thinking. A four year warranty is only as good as the dealer network and parts availability. Two red flags for me already, 3000 mile service intervals and KTM’s involvement. I’ll be interested in owners 20,000 mile reviews in a year or two’s time.

Really like the looks of this bike

They have flooded the market here in Australia. For under $10k its a pretty good package. No break downs or mechanical issues yet but alot of punters are waiting on aftermarket parts. Some have waited months. I'll wait for a 10,000km review and make my mind from there. 450MT or Hima?

I wonder about resale value? Thanks for your video.

Are you sure the handlebars were connected?🤣 Seen a few videos on these, they seem to be ok for the money. They sound lovely, will be interested to see how reliable they are, what it's like for getting bits, and how they honour the warranty. I will be interested to see how these Voge DSX900 are when they arrive. Nice vid Steve Oh, Rest Day Rider has hers already. Got it the day after it arrived at the dealer I think

Lots of comments about the warranty. As I live so far away from civilisation I have that worry about every bike given the distance to the nearest dealers. That worry is also why I ended up with a Honda which is still running trouble-free after 6 years.

You just cant beat a Meteor 350 ER 😁

Hiya, Thanks for the review I just went to my local dealer to look at the 800 the other day, which looked OK but you do make some very valid points, I think I will give it a miss for now.

Being in cahoots with KTM wouldn't instil me with much confidence in the CF Moto brand, ER. I'm surprised that spares for the Triumph 400 series are in short supply. I wouldn't have thought they would have been needed yet seeing as the model has only been available for a short time.

i enjoyed looking at a bike while i shopped for water jugs, gas containers, ammo and how to make alcohol, with what just happened last week to you guys in the election, i think it will be worse here by Nov! so shopping and prepping. lol

I’m chuckling that you nailed this as a light gravel bike 😂

Just looked at costs. I wouldn’t risk that much against the tubeless Himmy. In fact I’d possibly rather go for a 410 Himmy! I fully get your points. I guess you weren’t impressed enough to overcome the longer term worries

That 'thing' you were doing with the handlebars at the beginning of the video reminded me of a 1930's B&W movie 'in car' shot 🙂 I disagree, you didn't even need to get into first gear for me, as soon as I saw your view from the saddle (apologies I believe they are called 'seats' these days 😁) I knew it wasn't for me. The switch gear and handlebar 'quality' speak volumes. I could not live with that view from the saddle for a minute, let alone all day. Keep being you. Ignore the haters. 👍

Hi Exmouth, watched this one last night. One thing I noticed was that it seemed to be revving pretty high at 60 mph in sixth gear. The Himalayan 411 critics want a bike that will cruise at 70 mph for some reason. My guess is that this bike will be pretty busy at 70 mph, thereby failing in the one thing you would expect it to do better than the Himalayan 411 and 452. I think most owners in the UK would be looking to go one larger on the front sprocket because then, in theory, this bike COULD BE a motorway tourer. I think CF Moto should have geared it up a bit for the UK market, judging by what I saw in this video. Apart from the somewhat low gearing for motorway work, I imagine that this is a pretty decent bike. Unfortunately, as you say, that doesn't really matter if you have no confidence in the brand, the resale values and the longer term parts backup. It's a shame really. It looks like CF Moto did a decent job with this bike but unfortunately we're still at the point where you'd have to be pretty brave to go out and buy one. A nice little review and thanks for getting up early to book the test ride mate ! Love from Spain, Garry & Ruby

at this point i dont think royal enfiels is worth much. I mean nort worth buying. Id rather invest in this and show CFmoto theyre doing right.

Great video mate ❤ But if your mates experience was pre KTM takeover maybe it would be better to judge CF Moto post takeover because the situation may be improved .

Hi Steve, as we discussed at the ABR, trust in the product is low. I'd say review again in 12 to 18 months

As they say you do get what you pay for, and it has been made for a price. Great review though, and your opinions are well respected. Cheers

I'm surprised by the opinions of others. I completely understand your point of view, and I think it's good that you talk about it, because you can't buy a motorcycle or anything with great excitement, you have to think everything through. I once owned a Chinese motorcycle, and I had trouble buying a gear lever. Even though I really want to buy this cfmoto, I will wait a year and see what things will look like.

I'm usually well on board with the type of review that Exeter rider gives, but in this case a quick ride at the ABR Festival doesn't justify the negative comments.

Nathan the postman has one. I believe he has taken it to Iceland and won't be treating it with kid gloves. So far he loves it. I agree with a comment below, you seem to have started from the word go with a totally negative attitude to the bike, even before throwing a leg over it. Weird because you are normally upbeat and don't start off from the get go so negatively. Were you having a bad day?

Hi are you least your honest about the bike put me off straight away with what you said about your friend 👍😎😎

Tried to buy one . Was told " next Feb" probably. What's the point if they can't deliver. I'll look for a bike that I can buy, sadly.

Your review has a real "weird" vibe to it. I have 1300 km on my 450 here in Poland. I did get unlucky, clutch lever delivered without the pivot bushing pressed in. Got replacement clutch lever, pivot bolt in 5 days. Rear suspension has threaded type adjustments, so it can't be on the "2nd hardest setting." I have no idea what your steering comment is all about? I have 6 bikes right now, and don't feel anything weird getting on the MT450. My only "complaint" is the super short final gearing. I bought this as a lighter dirt capable ADV bike. At 70 is mph the engine revs around 7000 rpm (8500 red line). The rest, so far, is really nice. Time will tell.

Hmmmm! Much of what you say certainly holds water. The product MAY (or may not) be good but without backup or spares it's pretty hopeless. If the C*inese are keen to break into the market they could solve those issues if they so wanted, They're big enough and powerful enough to to it, I wonder why they don't? The bikes have vastly improved over the years but the essentials behind the scenes... not so much! Good review mate, saying it like it is..... CF Moto? Too many "what ifs" for me i'm afraid. They'll get it right one day for sure, just not quite yet......👍

Very nice a more than competitive on price especially with the low APR deals being offered I could put one on the road for around half the deposit and monthly payments of a Himalayan 😊no wonder they’re selling well. However the dealer network is sparse to say the least. I live in Morpeth just north of Newcastle and my nearestCF Moto dealer is around 100 miles away hence service and warranty work would be a complete chore. 🤔

Very fair review and comments on supply of parts. A big corporation from China with their out put should be able to deliver in this day and age. I'd like to see a 400-500 cc Honda Transalp or Suzuki V-Strom. In particular the Suzuki as it's now a parallel twin not V which I presume is cheaper to produce. This time next year this bracket will be my 2cnd or 3rd bike. So I hope the Japanese move into this market.

It is apparently a lot better at everything than what the 450 Himalayan is.

I just sold my KTM 890 Adventure mainly because of all the issues out there. It'll take brave souls and KZfaq content creators that buy these bikes and report on them in the coming years to let some of us know how the service and reliability hold up. A friend in Portugal bought one and he will definitely put the bike through its paces. OFFroad-OFFcourse, if anyone wants to follow him. My local Husqvarna/Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki dealer doesn't carry the CFmoto motorcycles but they carry the side by sides and quads. I'm not sure why that is.

Interesting video Steve but I do think things will work out differently with regards resale. The 450 MT, they can't get enough of them. Sold out until 2025. They will hold their value. The Himalayan there's an abundance of bikes. A lot of cancelled orders. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, but I think it'll be the CF Moto that clings onto the money. The parts situation we'll have to wait and see. I agree a lot of what holds the fledgling bikes back is the parts supply. I know people with Morini 650s that can't get parts. The importers in that regards are poor. But for the Voge 300 Rally you can get everything you need very cheaply. So it's very much importer dependent. Personally I just really liked the bike. Ticked a lot of boxes for me. Shame they weren't allowing the bike around the ABR track. Maybe that would have helped impress it on people. Who knows. Maybe it'll be a dud.

I bought a Tiger GT pro in 22 and had a few issues. At 400 and some odd miles check engine, DO NOT RIDE came on. Trailered the bike 3 hours and they said there’s no problem, that will be $250! I said WTF! And they dropped $100. Well that was mighty big of them! Later on, a bolt backed out of the windscreen. Very specialized and specific. 3 weeks! My own fault, I cobbled my own bolt and washer which cracked the screen eventually and now I have a Puig. I worked in a BMW/Yamaha dealer In my youth and we had isles and isles of parts. Seems that’s not cost effective any more.

The bike has a 21inch front wheel hence the steering isn’t sharp like a sports bike. I’ve done 1,000 kilometres on mine so far and it’s a great bike💯 Test rode the Himalayan and the 450MT kills it. It’s awesome off road so using your “gut feel” isn’t great feedback 😂

If you want to see what this bike is capable of when taking it off road or down the green lanes, I’d recommend looking at Nathan Millward’s channel. The spares and ownership issue can be very subjective, and might have changed significantly since KTM have entered into a collaboration with CFMoto. Time will tell, but seeing as all 450MT’s have now been sold until 2025, at least there’s time to see what the build quality is and how robust all the parts will be.

I Know allot of Peeps including me who want somthing like this, lets hope Others follow with good offerings,

I wanted a 450 like this for a while. It's an all round type bike...could be a bit lighter.

First review i have seen that would chose the Himalayan over the CF Moto. Not saying you are wrong. Just the first. But not all want this bike and have to consider all of what you are saying. As i am kind of lucky, i have more CF Moto dealers near me than Suzuki dealers. I have 3 CF Moto dealers within the same distance i have only 1 Suzuki dealer. Which is odd for the USA. But zero bikes of mine have ever seen a dealer except for when I purchase them them. I do all my work...100% of it. I have done all the 180mph sport bikes. Riden cruisers. All i need is this CF Moto 450..i wont get bored with it. All i own now is my most loved bike i have had in 40 years of riding. Also the most reliable, my DRZ400. So thats all i need. A power to weight ratio adv bike that meets the power to weight ratio of my DRZ, and will 80 mph on the highway hers. I have massive dealer support and custom make most my own stuff. So all good. All my bikes i have owned. Since i was 15 years old, now 54, all the bikes i never buy and consider resale value. I only consider Smile value while owning it. The engine has been out now 3 years and no issues. Decent in anyones book. Im sold and just waiting die it to get here.

The CFmoto has fully adjustable suspension and its KYB the Himmi has non adjustable Showa I have rode both and both bikes are about the same on road but the CFmoto kills the Himmi off road due to the suspension adjustment but you need to change the tyres on both to a good set of Motoz or similar to get the best out of it.

I've had to interrupt you @ 7:51. I need to go out to buy some beers. I'll be back.

I'm not a fan of any Chinese brand motorcycle, nothing to do whatsoever the quality of the bikes but their government's politics. I just can't see contributing my money to do that government indirectly through CF Moto. Sure I know there is a ton of stuff in everybody's house including mine, but that is to do with lack of alternatives to purchase. There are competitve choices in the motorcycle market both in terms of price, quality, and performance outside of Chinese brands that are available to purchase.

I know a guy whos mate's cousin had no trouble getting parts for his cfmoto.

Apparently the CFmoto MT 450 has sold out within a couple of days! I like the looks of it better to the KTM! It's not just CF moto which said parts problem, as you stated Triumph with the 400, but other manufacturers as well a friends Moto Guzzi is waiting for brake parts, my Givi panniers arrived a couple of days after ordering them, but it took Givi nearly 3 months to supply the frames 😵‍💫just as well it was winter!

You can't just base your opinion on one case. Triumph in brasil has no real assistance (the frames are breaking), i had a tdm 850 and the camshaft broke whenn it had 50000k. I leaft it in the fields and sold most of the parts. Then i had a 2008 KAWASAKI VERSYS 650 as daily driver. The frame rusted quicker than yhe abandoned yamaha. KTM has problems with their 790/890 engines and it's a pain for the brand/dealer to assume. I now have a fx650 honda. I could go on and one with cases that left the owners waiting for response or parts for months. Give the new brand some slack. You get a lot of bike for the money with cfmoto. Thanks for the video.

Its a damn shame what happened to Ash Tek biker with his MT. He got caught up right in the meley of importer change over. There is no accountability, no one knows anything & he was stuck in the middle without support. I think his service centre screwed him up with replacing the spark plugs by pulling the tank off without checking if the wiring connector & fuel connector had been unplugged. Its the first time that's ever happened on the 650MT ever. No one i know has ever had this issue. More issues from the Kawasaki based engine than the fuel tank. Ignition coils, & dash gear issues are more common than a broken fuel tank harness & fuel line. Now, with another brand, he's a much happier camper. He's down your way.

Is it just these bikes that have parts supply issue or japanese , bmw, triumph etc?

They need to sort reliability before people will trust the brand

I'm off the road for 2 months so far with my 1 year old 300 rally, top end let go at 11 months and 19,000 klm, parts due in September, Honda Australia useless, the dealer useless, pick up a MT 450 tomorrow. Surley lighting doesn't strike twice.

4 years warranty I think it's gonna be good 👍

On the subject of losing money on a bike pay £24k for GS now and in 3 years you will lose more than you will on a CF Moto. I changed from. GS to an 800MT Explore purely initially as I could no way afford a new GS. I’ve been far from disappointed with my Explore does it for me and the dealer I had it from The Bike Sanctuary have been brilliant as far as after sales and back up. I’d like to ride the 450 and I’m sure will get the chance at some point I’ve done bike reviews and to be honest you need them for a few days not an hour to tell what they are like I bought aBMM F900 XR after an hours ride. Worst thing I ever did.

These bikes are cheap in NZ so if they don`t end up performing as well as they are specified then trade up to something better, i.e KTMs 25 ADV390 or something along those lines. I get a new bike every year and don`t experience the failures the haters talk about. I know the trade in values suck but hey thats life. Currently ride the 2024 Duke 390 with all the new powerparts added, looks great and goes like a bat outa hell the QS is butter smooth, will trade it on a new bike next year, life goes on. Ride safe😁.

Regarding bikes from China,, Iv owned a Chinese bike (and indeed am married to a Chinese wife so have no real beef) but I heard yesterday that alot of WP bikes have not been able to get spares at all because the Chinese engine manufacturer had gone bust,,so if there bike required something thats it scrap....And regarding CFmoto ,,I had one of there scooters in China in 2009,,it was ok and they have come on ,,,But I would not want to layout good money,,,maybe in a few years when the resale value is better

Id like to know how the hold up over time in both terms of durability and depreciation?j, what will the used market be like?, and the £5k question will it rust???, just because it’s built in the same factory as KTM and Yamaha does not make it one… not criticisms im in the market and on the fence re Chinese products of any type.

Well if what you say is true I would be happy to buy second hand from someone who is scared of maintenance and parts. Ps. This bike is way better off road than your favourite Himalayan. The best part is that I more bikes gives us customers more for the buck.

50 mpg or thereabouts is a deal breaker

Time will tell? How reliable and how long lasts! But looks good! Resale value be terrible?

I CFmoto 450MT is equal if not more to the Honda NX500. Tubeless tires, spoke rims and engine protection at a price less than the Honda.

Well that all felt a bit pre judged. A fored had issues so thats it the whole brand can't be trusted ? At the start of the year triumph owners were waiting 6 months for parts , so you best tell they world they cannot be trusted either. I know we are all different but having ridden the himilayan 450 I found it a very poor engine that shook the whole bike and personally I wouldn't recommend one to anyone. The whole I had a friend who is pretty lazy and poor approach.

Turning a 21” front wheel has a greater gyroscopic affect than a 19”…

ER I feel you should only give your impressions of the bike and brand rather than what your mates problems and views are of these Chinese bikes! I did feel that you were dissing it before even getting a few miles done 🤪 The old saying is “Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it” From what I’ve seen the build quality looks better than the new himmy and you’ve said yourself that the vibes are much less! 👌🏻 It does look good using my eyes and they are old wise eyes 🤣 Do a long term review of the 800 & 450 as I would like your opinion on them. King Regards, DCT Dave & Butty Bach 🙂

Guys straight up - China is takeing over 😂❤. Greetings from. Germany

So basically it was just OK, nothing special just OK. Not a ringing endorsement to be sure. Personally it's not in the same class as a Enfield 450 on or off road.

Undoubtedly good looking, rides ok but I am with you no confidence in back up or reliability. However loved to be proved wrong. Nathan the Postman will punish his and if something breaks we will see the response. It’s ok having written 4 yr warranty but is it worthy. I am happy for others to take the risk for a few years. The other unknown is depreciation. To me there’s so many fantastic 1&2 yrs old branded bikes for a few quid more. There are quite a few European vloggers giving thumbs up😅😅

For all my 21 BS4 411 may lack, I still feel it doesn't justify any charge, whether 452 or as here 450MT, should I ever at 65+ a few years and it's unlikely given finances make a change would be a 650, yet the current BSA would I want another single...! Hey ho. Dealerships are everything on purchase, a make or break for any manufacture, let alone supply of stock and parts. My experience their happy Selling whatever you're after, once off the Forecourt unless it's Servicing, different story. AJP Pr's and SWM (SV.VM) name 2 which dropped through the cracks on Importers/Dealers. RDR.. Charlie has tried the rest, including the 452 and the 450MT met and offered the best option, including the Dealership. She still has Roger 411..fresh back off The Picos de Europa.. I'm off to watch Part 2.. Cheers Dewi

Yep, definitely have no trust on CFmoto at the moment. As you mentioned here, getting parts in if any issues takes months as it’s all shipped from over seas. It was 4 Years Warranty on my 650MT. Started good within 1st year and then ended up going down hill from there. Did not help that the distribution changed from Quadzilla to KTM. As that was a rocky transfer. As its ended up having to move dealer.

Jerky throttle at slow speeds?

And in Addition a small Tipp. Buy one before Europe will tarif China Bikes too because they dont know what to do. See EVs like BYD and others

china is a suspect country spare parts is probly the importers fault had a problem with my ol himalayan when i got it parts were non existent in aus wasnt chuffed about that

Just do reviews as you see fit, otherwise it to me anyway would not appear to be a honest assessment.

modern-day engine is borderline unacceptable?

these style of bikes are NOT off road suitable , it's just trendy marketing bullshite ;

if you have upset some people - then thats their fault for being weak minded pratts ;;;

You say KTM took over. What did they take over? KTM does not own CFMOTO, KTM buys from CFMOTO.

triumph are another shite company ;;;

When are people going to wake up and realise that the Chinese have their collective fingers in every pie globally, like it or not. The horse has bolted due to the West falling asleep at the wheel and not maintaining their hugely expensive manufacturing base. Since the 90s the Chinese have been building a global powerhouse of manufacturing and us moaning about isn’t going to stop them. It makes me laugh that so many riders complain about the Chinese and rubbish their products, but I bet most of their bikes are 30 - 50% Chinese components including major items like the engines!

Maybe you are not used to a 21in front? Maybe you have little experience riding gravel / sand / desert. Another dreary Pom.