Recently I spotted one on the local market and I never knew there were 478 socket with PCIE-x, got love Asrock for their motherboards. One of the best, if not the best AGP and PCIe-x combo motherboard is from Asrock dual vsta. Great video.

If I remember correctly the workaround for the not fully disable onboard video is to just set it to disabled in the device manager.

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I always look forward to your videos. They are so well-made, and your voice is so relaxing - I could listen to you talk for hours! I hope you keep making content, and I hope you get many more subscribers!

What can I say, congratulations for sticking until the end with the idea, I would have installed XP after 2 hours!

Wow, now that's a powerful windows 98 machine!

Fascinating, thanks man!

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Socket 478 whit PCI-E and DDRII. This is total overkill! LoveTi!

Excellent video. I never even considered the possibility of PCI-E and Windows 98.

I'm glad to see more people out there experimenting with weird Windows 98 hardware. Though I'm even more amazed to see you got an X850 to work for so long! My "Worlds Fastest 98 PC" build went through about 8 of the poor things before I finally gave up and stuck to Nvidia. Though I didn't experience weird graphical artifacts with my 7800 GTX

There is either something going on with your Wind98 setup or with the drivers themselves. The fastest video card that I have been able to get working in Windows 98SE with the modded drivers is the Geforce 7900GTX. Those modded drivers supposedly support the original 8800 GTX chips but I have not been able to get any of them working. Benching with 3DMark and a C2E x6800 at 3.2-3.3Ghz is amazing. Running dual channel RAM should also help your scores a bit.

I recently purchased a pair of GF6600 PCIe to play around with like this, I have the corresponding AGP variants of these at hand too. just to see what works and not with my newer stuff even if I have a ton of old gear working

4:10 this type of chip is still today on every pcie device now it is called a pcie bridge chip. this thing serves now more than a converting something, it contains the device type, id, vendor information and such usefull things also it handles the hot plug funktion and device isolation so in case something goes wrong the pcie bus is not damaged, shorted or distorted. it prevents cross talking and strengthening the signal integrity. also it does the power control of the device. one thing to pci and pcie this is ,it can be hijacked. pcie or pci devices that working like a master system can parasitic hijack some datelines so the pc cant access them. intel nuc cards with a pcie shaped edge board connector doing this if placed in a normal pc mainbord instead in its special designed mainbords. on start up both systems fighting against each other and who is faster with testing signal dampening and setting up its configuration and its signal pattern wins over that particular line and all ports and devices are connected with the same line are nor onder the controll of the winner. in a pcie system this can be mean the parasitic device has the control over the chip set and therefore the pc looses the full access the its own chip set. for example you have a mainbord with a B550 chip set and putting in a x4 pcie slot your intel nuc compute card and this pcie slot is directed or handled by the cpip set because your cpu has not enough pcie lanes as your manboard has. in that chase some of them are handled by the cpip set. the problem is here now the B550 is compatible with the N100 cpu because the N100 is a normal i3 internal with minor differences and also the chip set itself is connected over 4 pcie lanes to a cpu with lanes are used is does not matter and this chip set controls over 80% of all io of your mainbord so your cpu looses the ability to use all this io. now you have a cpu in your mainbord doing nothing or is limited in its action and maybe is in panic mode and shutdown but your nuc can now use all your usb ports. your additonal pcie lanes thats not provided by the cpu and has access to your haddrives and all that. i know this sound weird but this can happen that is why those cards have a bridge chip. but fortunately there are practically none pcie or pci cards in the wild that can do this except for some reason intel thinks this was a good idea making a pc shaped like a pcie card and also making an pcie pin compatible connector that fits in the same connector on the mainboard. so people thinks yayy now i can have a pc in my pc and now those people findig it self in this weird situation. like me ^^ i have reading many articals to understand why this at first glance random things happen. i have lerned a lot how those things really work and wonder why some features are so rare like port bifurcation and detached or isolated mode and such things also Why PCIe on some motherboards, especially gaming motherboards, do not adhere to the standard and omit features, which leads to problems in future applications. for example using it as a home server. Some PCIe cards will simply not work or function incorrectly. And thanks to the "improvements or optimizations" you also have no way of isolating the card and debugging it in a running system. And from external inspection you won't find any errors that are caused by software and that's all just so you get fed up with 301 fps in games 300. or simply because the manufacturer has enough space on the bios chip just so that you have pretty colorful graphics that you can see once and you won't be able to go into the bios for the next 10 years because you have set everything you need and don't want anything more change.

I bought an ATI X850 XT from Ebay about 2 years ago and absolutely fell in love with its retro gaming capabilities, it is the AGP version though but I don't think there's much of a difference if you can get the PCI-E version to work in 98, awesome card. By the way, I think you may also be CPU bottlenecked, no hate towards the Pentium 4 northwood but I managed to push this card a lot further with a Socket 939 rig.

Great video ! Latest Windows 98 nvidia drivers are unfortunately quite buggy ... Also I've had better luck with a core 2 duo board, which uses a chipset that started on socket 478. It's based on a VIA P4M900M. Surprisingly, this chipset is almost 100% supported by windows 98 ! The only thing I couldn't get running was HDA for the sound, but I could easily use a PCI sound card instead. I managed to find a driver for everything else. USB 2.0 ? Check. Ethernet ? Check ! IGPU ? Using a driver meant for the P4M890M, it was working flawlessly (also it's basically an S3 savage 2000 inside the chipset, so it actually has very nice DOS compatibility). When I plug in a PCIE gpu, it disables itself automatically, which is also very convenient. And of course I could find drivers for the main chipset. The whole thing ran with a core 2 extreme x6800 and 2.5GB of RAM (the chipset cannot support more than this, and yes I patched windows 98 of course). This was a speed monster for windows 98 :)

I bought it broken, repaired it but the SB failed and it was the end of it. I was very curious on how it would have behaved with W98 as a retro pc. Guess I have my answer :) I had one broken component that I couldn't identify, could you give me the markings on component Q748 (on the right of ram slots, close to hole H6)?

The conflict at 8:30 is between RadeonX850 primary and Standard VGA also Primary. I would delete the Standard VGA card instead of disabling the primary Radeon. Actually you have two drivers fighting for the same resources and only one card. It happened to me sometimes to have issues with vidoe cards because of the same fail in Win98. After I removed the standard VGA, the new installed driver kicked in and all was working well. Actually at 8:34 the message tells you exactly that: disable the Standard VGA.

I have a Socket 775 PC with Core2Duo E8400 3,00 GHz, V2 SLI, G31 chipset and GeForce 7900 GT PCIe with 98SE and then another PC with Via C7 processor and GeForce 6600 GT PCIe and ME... Works. But it was and still is a lot of work with unofficial drivers and so on.

I have a motherboard in reverse so to say. It has a socket 775 with an AGP slot. The upside is that it's easier to find high clock cpus for cheap compared to finding s478s at the same speeds. I've ran a 3,2Ghz Dual core with geforce 3 ti 200 on windows 98 with no issue. It doesn't recognize the second core though. I haven't tried it but you could technically put a 771 x5650 Xeon into it with the pinmod but it wouldn't do much for performance.

I'm surprised you didn't compare the AGP x850 vs the the PCI E x850 to see if there is a difference.

Awesome, HALO just needed 640x480 30Fps to run properly, anything better is just extra

Neither to find a 775 mobo with a AGP slot, nor a PCI-E GPU with win9x drivers. All of them are the most difficult part of building a retro PC.

What game is it at the start of the video?

Surprised you had so many problems with the nVidia cards. Way back when Phil posted his PCIe 98 video I gave it a try with an older Quadro I had on hand and it worked handily. The only problem I had was the double card entry in Device Manager, and disabling one fixed that up.

I have this board and it is very rare with PCiex !!There is only one MB that is a little more powerfull then this one - Biostar G31M4!!With this two mother boards You could make the most powerfull P4 s.478 PC's.

Yup even though pci e not officially supported i didn't have any issue running windows 98 se with geforce 6200 pci e

If only that motherboard had DDR3.

porsche correct pronunciation is more like "POrs-Shêh" the "êh" like a canadian...

Are AGP boards actually that rare now? I've got like 20 of them, they're literally trash in my area.

The 77 nVidia drivers work perfectly fine with the 6800GS - try those.

I remember having an ECS motherboard once that was LGA 775 and had an AGP slot and no PCI-E one. I always thought it was an oddball board.

I got an radeon x550 for this, but i have not put all the pieces together yet

i'm surprised u didn't use Nglide which does work with Windows 98, good vid tho

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Ah the intel 945

The problem with these modern cards and Windows 9x is that certain games require 8-bit palletized textures and table-fog. So you might as well stick to the previous generations AGP cards, such as the FX series (does great at DX 8.1) and the Radeon 9000-series like the 9800 XT/Pro. So yes, while you can run 9x with PCI-e graphics cards, and some games will run fine, you inevitably will experience compatibility issues unless you strictly stick to games that came out very late in 98's lifetime anyway.

Why no patchmem?

Зачем брать именно 478 ддр2 PCI-e плату когда есть 775 с P4 5xx моделей с DDR?(ddr2 показывает на четверть больший потенциал чем был на самом деле у владельцев 478) X300 = ATI 9550 и можно было сравнивать с AGP версией системы. Ранние карты PCI - E не имеют больших продвижений при сравнении и основным плюсы от PCI-e пошли только с унификацией шейдерных модулей в 2006 году на моделях GF 8800 - до данного периода все массовые карты (массового сегмента) имели проблемы совместимости с новыми играми выходившими на новых DX 8-9.x как итог новые бюджетные компьютеры из магалина не могли запустить хорошую часть современных игр. Обратную совместимость (и то не полную) имели считанные единицы игр таких как HL2./ Большей объективности видео добавит MSI Afterburner (P4 его поддерживает в отличии от P3 и Athlon) - график времени кадра даст понять почему разница в цене в 10 раз была обоснована при разнице в кадрах только в 4

This is a cool board :O pciex with 478 ooooooOWo

Nice vid. That board makes little sense in real world. Pentium 4 already bottlenecked geforce fx and radeon 9800 agp cards like crazy. Got a p4 at 4.3 ghz to know. Maybe its just your capture card but those games did not look very good visually compaired to the agp systems i have here. Textures look washed out.

whos "WE" ?

Its never PCI-Ex. Always PCI-E. Theres also a PCI-X.

3:47 that's the shadiest chart ever, you are showing a 5% improvement as if it was 70%, c'mon, what are you, modern journalism?

Now put a 4090 in it 😂

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