Extrusion Confusion - A Guide To MFT Hardware [video 486]

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In this video I try and cut a path through the confusing mess of conflicting standards and talk you through the #hardware choices I made for my #DIY #MFT -alike, and why I made them. Enjoy!
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KJN 8040 (10mm slot) - www.aluminium-profile.co.uk/4...
Because of the way the Festool catalogue works I can't link to the items directly, but the parts numbers are listed below, and if you search for those links should pop up for you to order them as spare parts.
497022 Support - this is the front rail support
497023 Support unit - this is the hinge part at the back of the MFT for the rail
472862 Profile - this is the MFT/3 aluminium profile
455242 Profile - this is the Festool 1080 aluminium profile
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@kloeffon 2 жыл бұрын

Extrudinary

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

😂 👍

@lexus82su 5 ай бұрын

*drastically underrated comment.😂 👌

@oliverwelch1672 2 жыл бұрын

Very much looking forward to next week now! Excellent video Peter.

@gundulf3084 2 жыл бұрын

Always superb Peter, and right on point with my current planning. Thank you ever so much.

@Bonzomallard 2 жыл бұрын

That was a very nice video Peter. I’m looking forward to the build 😊

@WoodworkJourney 2 жыл бұрын

Super interesting to see how this is moving forward. Thanks Peter👍

@lafamillecarrington 2 жыл бұрын

Great tip about the Vidga curtain track; thanks for passing it on.

@andyfee5321 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks Peter, Just in the planning stage for my new MFT bench so this was really useful

@justinroem1873 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to this series. Been thinking of doing this type of build myself for months

@pilotalan 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, thank your for all your excellent videos. I am a recently beginning woodworker and have binge-watched most of your videos in multiple sittings. Your calm, no-nonsense, and well-informed manner has helped me understand a great many things, separate the wheat from chaff, and helped me develop a progression and set of priorities in my avocation, build my shop with solid understanding of how to accomplish my objectives, and invest wisely. There are many content producers that have lots of flash but little substance, or who don't speak from the experience of a real, long term, working maker. Thank you for all you are doing, and have done.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan! Really pleased to hear that the videos have helped. 👍👍🙌

@tommyvukovic8940 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing this all come together sir. Cheers!

@NWGR 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Peter, I'm looking forward to the next one for sure.

@mick882 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant Peter, you must be psychic, I was just looking for some profile as I'm thinking of making an MFT. Thanks for all of your research, it helps so much.

@smausy 2 жыл бұрын

I am really looking forward to this bill! I’ve been wanting to do a custom MFT style bench up against the long wall of my small basement shop for a while.

@stephaniedrake9786 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Inspired by YOU I finished my MFT table last weekend - dog holes to come. I’ve been wishing you had a a video about the alternatives to the festool gadgets- I really like what what Dashboard is doing- the rail hinge in particular and maybe an extender thingy (whatever the hell their called) not the extra table. Thank you!

@rundeks 2 жыл бұрын

Great research and great video! Looking forward to the build!

@Stefan_Kawalec 2 жыл бұрын

As always you provided exceptionally useful informations in your video. Thank you.

@hansdegroot8549 2 жыл бұрын

You are thinking out of the curtains LOL Thanks for sharing this video. I've learned a lot again.

@Smallbarnworkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Peter. I’m loving my MFT builds with the Benchdog accessories. I’d never heard of MFT until I found your channel a couple of years ago. Regards JP

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@jackavery18 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect timing was just about to try and find the hinge for the rail so I can fit my own to my custom mft

@Thesidingsworkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Pete, interesting info on the extrusions mate, looking forward to seeing your build process 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Dan! 👍

@Will_craig 2 жыл бұрын

I think I have watched this video about 5 times so far this week. Didn't realise how much extra content was on your Patron signed up!! Somewhat excited lol

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome! 🙌👍

@houtslager 2 жыл бұрын

Profile madness, it's a minefield to get a decent rail profile at a decent price. Good to see progress is being made. Keep the visa coming. Karl W

@joeitalia7 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video, always very informative and practical!

@monkeyvideo1029 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, another great video. I saw another guy make his own channel into his bench frame. He cut a groove and screwed metal strips above and below the groove wide enough to accept tools and hinges, etc. He added t track like yours to the top of the frame. Would definitely stronger than the Ikea track. Thanks again

@tonymedeiros8029 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the education. I'm in the process of deciding, build or purchase a MTF system. I'v e been waiting for a comparision to building, and you've provided a lot to think through. Well done.👍

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve done a couple of MFT builds, all my MFT & MFT-related videos are in a playlist here - bit.ly/MFT-related

@ghostanddiy 2 жыл бұрын

A very interesting topic. I will wait for the sequel. Greetings from Poland

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Best wishes from London! 🙌

@randallthomas5207 2 жыл бұрын

Note for US viewers. 8mm is very close to 5/16-ths of an inch, (less than a 1% difference). The 80/20 15 series extrusions work well with most things made for the extrusions with 8-mm slots. I’m midway through designing and building my own alternative, and have been researching a bit on readily available options for the US and Canada. And, the Incra miter gauge fence and flip stop are probably going to be used for the fence assembly. I have it on a miter gauge, and the ability to lock precise 32nd inch, or if you set it up for metric 1-mm positions is really handy.

@nathansecrist3337 2 жыл бұрын

@Randall Thomas - I’m in the early stages of design for my mft table. Not sure how to send you a private message if you wouldn’t mind sharing some of your ideas? I like the 8020.

@alloy2005 2 жыл бұрын

Thank so much for this video. I bought the entire setup from Rob, including the table.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you mentioned my name! 😂 Seriously, Rob makes some great gear - I just wish we could get the benches over here! 👌 👍

@alloy2005 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshopI had ordered it last October. I will mention you name, Peter.

@paulmaryon9088 2 жыл бұрын

As always, brilliant, thanks Peter. Good old Ikea eh!! Who'd have thought that! Keep safe and well cheers

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul! 👍

@xsbxsbxsb 2 жыл бұрын

That was most aluminating!

@jamilal-yaqubi1986 2 жыл бұрын

Just what I had been hoping you would release. :) I like your portable bench design a lot, but the one thing I wished it had, was an attachment system for the edges. This could be exactly what I have been looking for. :)

@luciflash 2 жыл бұрын

I use a decorative tile aluminum profile as a T-track. Cheap, but well made, and works very well.

@eskolehtovaara2494 2 жыл бұрын

Your fantastic! You deliver so much info that it covers all my needs of information to make a 2m² mft3 worktable with all the possible accessories I will need to be quicker to serve my clients. I would buy you a pint in your local IN 👌

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🍻👍

@kristoffscuba5466 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant info as usual. I use rail dogs + collars with my dewalt track saw, I would use bench dogs and clips but the rubbish dewalt track doesnt work with them. A hinge setup would be nice as the rail dogs system is accurate but its a bit grabby in the MTF style top which means its a bit of a faff to insert and extract, so for doing just one or two cross cuts I often find myself not bothing to use them at all which isn't ideal.

@GreenSaxon 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Dashboard. It is head & shoulders above the standard Festool. Once set square it doesn't move! Excellent. It is VERY expensive though & i had to pay an extra £50 on top of what i thought i had to pay for importing it.

@normanboyes4983 2 жыл бұрын

Very comprehensive overview.😀👍

@davidkelly1634 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info, particularly the part number for the hinge. I’ve been trying to make my own hinge support for a while and getting the part number has just convinced me to stop being stingy and buy one. Cheers.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I know, right; at ~£75 for the hinge & Ikea curtain track, it’s pretty hard to beat. Unfortunately. 🤷‍♂️👍

@Mikey__R Жыл бұрын

I'm going to be renovating my kitchen, I'll be building the cabinets for myself. Because I'll be saving thousands compared to buying a fitted kitchen, I do have enough money in the budget to buy the Makita track saw. I also had the UJK MFT in my Axminster basket, but thanks to your videos, I've realised there's nothing about an MFT I can't build myself, if I can source the extrusions and top. I've done small scale fine woodwork, building guitars, and larger scale rough carpentry, building my Roubo bench and my wrap around work desk in the office. This will be the first time I attempt fine cabinetmaking at a large scale.

@lrr1952 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, great review! But, I still am a bit confused on the way to move forward. 😀 I CNC’d my own MFT-style top about 10 years ago, just prior to buying my Festool TS55. It is 3’ x 7’ - I removed a foot in each dimension from a full sheet of MDF. My “MFT-XL” bench also serves as my table saw outfeed table, and outfeed for my planer which resides on a mobile cart. I still just use bench dogs to position rails when using the track saw. I would love to add a rail hinge to the bench, so you have given me some ideas on how to proceed.

@christopheryale6867 2 жыл бұрын

The pre-production research and thinking through a project before starting approach was fantastic. -beginner

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙌👍

@tonynarducci2968 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, what can I say. Once again an extremely timely video for my current shop set up. Long story short my tablesaw and I had a falling out, and that’s when I discovered your channel. You have single-handedly talked to me into building my shop around the track saw systems. Thank you so much for making this simple and for helping me get it. I have a bunch of 80/20 profiles around, a story there too, but I think I can put this together now from what you showed us in this video. The Dashboard system seems to be well worth the extra money, I’ve been watching their videos as well. Once again Peter your contribution to this community cannot be overstated.

@handymadness 2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@michaelgrosso634 Жыл бұрын

@Tony - I just posted a question regarding 80/20 profiles and saw your comment. If you happen to have a 1030 profile around and own a Festool Quick Clamp - can you let me know if the Festool clamp is compatible with the 1030 profile? Thanks!

@tworiversworkshop6111 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, what an interesting video. Thank you for all the research you have done on our behalf! The Festool hinge seems to have worked well enough for you these past 20 years and you give it a lot of use, so must be good. I will be interested to see how you support your new mft and how you attach the extrusions to it.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dawn! Yes, lots more to come on that front! 👍

@jkidst 2 жыл бұрын

This is brilliant, so detailed. Thanks Peter. One thing I was going to add was that having 22mm board above the vidga track to add stability would limit your depth of cut with the Festool hinge.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Yes - though one of the benefits of the Dashboard hinge is the increased range it brings - and I rarely adjust the height tbh. And thanks! 👍

@LostWhits 2 жыл бұрын

I remember 15years ago woodworking t track was almost non existent in my area. A lot of people used marine sail track. The extrusion companies stopped selling it years ago though.

@robmcdonald1185 2 жыл бұрын

I still haven't used the tracks I bought from Ikea when they were selling them off for £1 a length, so am looking forward to part 2 to see how you incorporate them. I did chuckle when I spotted them on your bench in the early part of your video.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

The famous Rob_Mc! 🙌👍😂 Thank you for the pointer - very much appreciated. Shoot me an email (link in the ‘about’ section) and I’ll send you a link to a vid you might find interesting. 👍👍

@steenfraosterbro3268 2 жыл бұрын

I literally just ordered two original Festool 2 meter (comes in pair) rails (front and back MFT/3 style) today, after hours of research. I too have my MFT stationary and wanted it larger, and didn't feel like buying another MFT/3 just to "connect" them with their silly connector rods (still a huge gab between the tables). They cost me around £ 220, and I'll make my own MDF top with the parf guide.

@miatafunrun3078 2 жыл бұрын

I had a MFT top CNC'd for me and unfortunately if I use a fence and dogs and use my Woodpeckers square, it is about 0.25mm out of square. So now I am looking at the Dashboard Guide Rail Brackets. With those you can shift the rails and align it to the fence perfectly square. Looking forward to your projects with the Guide Rails. I hope you produce a plan we can purchase for a workshop MFT table with options to use other extrusions besides the cheap Ikea ones.

@cadatte 2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see how/if both the festool and the PWS hinge work on the wolfcraft mastercut m2600

@markhedquist9597 2 жыл бұрын

Well, this video is right on time. On my recent (regular) visit to my local metal scrap yard I happened upon several lengths of industrial strength profiled extrusion. At one dollar (US) per pound (again, US) I couldn't resist buying all of it: 10ft, 6ft, 4ft, and 2ft lengths! Checking to make sure that it works with the Festool AND Makita clamps I have. So, a designing I will go. And building, I will be. Parf jig recently arrived. I've already been eyeing the Dashboard system. It seems quite stout. But a diy version may be the route I go.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a bargain haul! 👍👍

@garypolotian9995 2 жыл бұрын

Great video very informative; not sure if you are aware but the aluminium extrusions on bench look like Bosch Rexroth; if they are; then Rexroth also sell the T nuts and other ancillaries for their extrusion; if you look on their website there is a fully dimensioned technical section for each and every extrusion they make and sell; I hope this helps?

@grahamalexander7230 2 жыл бұрын

Good explanation as ever Peter, thanks.... Just a thought though for you I get the issue with the Dashboard rear hinge, but its a simple solution just remove a square from the plasterboard you put up between the other building :) extra 4" at least... haha

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Haha - who needs that pesky soundproofing anyway Graham! 😂👍

@davidsneddon2242 2 жыл бұрын

Heh Peter at last your on the trail.😂 As you know I did this a while ago after you helped with the extrusion part numbers for the Festool stuff which I got from Spare Parts World on line and got a repeat 10% discount as well as the rear hinge and front support. Fitted it to one of my MFT/3 benches that I built out of left over fence posts for legs and 2x4 framing, works great. I secured the Festool long extrusions with roofing bolts that fitted the rear slot in the extrusion and very carefully positioned and drilled he fixing holes to the bench frame and it all works splendidly. A little more expensive than Ikea kit but heh ho😂. As I said before can't wait to see yours. Happy building Peter and another great myth busting video.😂👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks David! 🙌

@tonyturner9333 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter,you could not have timed your build of your MFT at the right moment..I am just about to build one myself,but,I'm going to wait,and see what you, the "Tracksaw King" comes up with. BTW in the past I have had those narrow tracks that just dont quite fit an 8mm bolt, my remedy was to use 6mm roofing bolts from the popular diy outlets,file down the sides,remove a bit from the dome of the head,hey presto, it worked, in the track,downside you had to make some homemade clamps,a little crude I know,but it worked. Keep up the fantastic work ATB

@Afourteen-yf5ks 2 жыл бұрын

Peter - the box of Rutland's T-Track fittings are ... Imperial - 5/16 in fact. Was hoping they had sold them all off by now and supplying metric instead.

@silverfox8801 2 жыл бұрын

Pete. I built a paulk style bench and bought the mft hinge system separately. Works great 👍

@chrissnowden7078 2 жыл бұрын

How did you attach it Silver Fox?

@silverfox8801 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrissnowden7078 screwed it to the face of both sides buddy. Pretty easy 👍

@chrissnowden7078 2 жыл бұрын

@@silverfox8801 As in took away the plastic part that slides on to the extrusion and just used the metal face frame? This was my fallback, hows it working for you?

@ice4142 2 жыл бұрын

I will be interested to see what material you fit the t-track into on the front. Given it is 12mm deep I think 18mm material would leave too little material on the back to secure and support it. I heard of t track pull out before when clamping pieces. I would think you'd need to use at least 24mm, say MDF, so the grove to accept the t-track left 12mm material behind it. Interested to keep watching and find out.

@warrensmith2902 2 жыл бұрын

Great coverage of what's out there. Another option is to just use Dog stops so you don't have to use the flip up rail feature at all. I took a look at my Festool mounting fixings and added a cut down of a rail connector to my back pivoting mount, to make it a bit stronger. Much like the Festool OEM version has that you were showing. Because I never use the back rail and angle protractor, I used a long length of Incra T-Track Plus that I mounted directly to the back on the top of my MFT, then I calibrated the scale in the track. This allows me to have a full 27.5" (700mm) cross cut width on my MFT. If I was looking to start over, I think I would look very closely at some of the offerings from Dashboard as they have some great ideas that they have done with their machined aluminum gear besides their flip up rail. A bit expensive for Europe, but they look robust compared to their competition.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And yes, I agree - but as I say at the start of the vid for me in my small workshop I certainly wouldn't want to be without a hinged rail! 👍

@SwimBikeRunFastest 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing. I had the same idea and went through the same headache during lockdown. I was trying to design a hinge that automatically adjusted to different thicknesses. I thought the hinge assembly could attach in benchdog holes instead of on the back rail. Maybe that's an idea for you getting your table up against a wall. I also thought the benchrail could be allowed to pivot to allow for angle cuts. I never did finish it. Glad to see you have taken on the baton!

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

The trouble with having the hinge attached to / with benchdogs is that it eats into valuable cross-cut capacity. I know - compromise, right? 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@SwimBikeRunFastest 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking maybe integrated into the benchrail

@danielneocleous1681 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I built a 8 x 4 MFT using the KJN 4040 profile and the dashboard bracket. I found the same issue that the supplied imperial hardware only just fit but Rob was kind enough to send some bigger fittings. I was planning on using a 1400mm rail but because of the large overhang I had to buy the bigger 1900mm rail to span the bench.

@olivermarks1185 4 ай бұрын

Hi Daniel I am planning to do the same! Did Rob send you replacement T nuts? Was it an easy fix? How is the kjn mft working out for you? Cheers!

@danielneocleous1681 4 ай бұрын

@@olivermarks1185 hello, yes he did it was a simple swap for the new hardware. The KJN MFT works great. I built a router into one end of mine but I am planning on reducing the length of the MFT by a 1/3 effectively making the router table portion separate to accommodated a table saw and use the MFT as an out feed/ assembly table. I can’t recommend KJN enough.

@olivermarks1185 4 ай бұрын

That’s great thanks for the reply Daniel!

@MrV8rick 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter Double Aluminum Extrusion from First Tunnels is good I use with rail clamps I don't know about rail

@williba24 2 жыл бұрын

Bought the Festool rail hinge a month ago and had virtually given up looking for an extrusion that would fit it. Thank you for showing the IKEA rail, will be down to IKEA tonight. Have all the knobs M6 and M8 with T bolts. I want to use one of my Makita rails. The IKEA rail you will find it in the curtain selection, as with all Ikea stores it is advisable to take a compass with you.

@chrissnowden7078 2 жыл бұрын

I went through this same conundrum after buying the Festool rail hinge and naively expected it to fit some normal T Track. I’ve found some extrusion that fits the plastic ‘T profile’ of the MFT hinge/front support perfectly. However… it’s box profile so I need to route a 7mm channel into it which I haven’t got round to doing yet. It is 2mm thick so it’s nowhere near as thin as the Ikea stuff but nor is it as thick as some of the other extrusions. I plan to site it in the 4x2 rails of my bench so I’m hopeful there’ll be enough support around it

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a great find! 👍

@williba24 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrissnowden7078 Where did you get the Extrusion?

@chrissnowden7078 2 жыл бұрын

@@williba24 Sorry Brian, I’ve replied to this with a link numerous times but it never saves/sends the link. On eBay, 20mmx15mm Aluminium Rectangular Tube Box Section

@toolchuck 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, I really like my MFT/3 but I'm looking at the dashboard guide rail brackets too. Even their Bench looks like a promising alternative to an outdated platform that the MFT (/3) has become. But like anything else, it all comes at a cost. 🤷‍♂️ All the Best, Chuck

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chuck! Totally agree! 👍

@Etna. 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Peter, I know I am quite late to the game but I have dealt exactly with your problem and have a nice solution. The profiles you've shown are the Bosch standard of extrusion. But there is a very similar looking but quite different fitting profile standard made by Item. So, if you shop around at eBay or such search for "Item profile" instead of clicking on those Bosch profiles. A lot of 3rd parties are making these, so you don't need to buy those expensive extrusions from Rexroth or Item. They not only fit a clamp in an 8mm slot but also fit most t-track compatible hardware. You can get a lot of accessoires for both profiles and screw nylon sliders on your hinges if they won't fit. I hope that helps! Regards, Etna.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yes, the Item extrusion is an option, but it still wont tale the Festool hardware. 👍

@DavePawson 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea… mad a little confusion with all the stuff you’re not going to use. Look forward to the next one.

@DavePawson 2 жыл бұрын

Cost cutting. What are the smart (cheapskate) options for the front bracket Peter? You're usually so smart on this sort of thing?

@DavePawson 2 жыл бұрын

(OK, more cheapskating...). I have never seen you move your brackets (once set up). So the rear could be ....4" long? What use do you make of the ?? m long front extrusion? (Assumes you do more than most?)

@LanceMcGrew 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently our USA "5/16" toilet bolts" work well with 8mm T-track.

@charlescp1558 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, great video, as ever. That thread is probably 3/8 UNC. Charles

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's 5/16" or something equally fractional. 😂 🤷‍♂️

@tobiaskalinowicz7884 2 жыл бұрын

wonderfully explained, so i wonder does the benchdog and festool stuff fit in 40x80 nut 8mm extrusion? ah bugger as i watched longer you said again that it does but i am guessing it dows not with every 8mm extrusion you have Itype which has a deepth of 12 min and B Type which have less. like both rotex are B Type and item and the 40mm standart is the i Type. guess i hve to get the festool system once i got a tracksaw as my whole workbench combo is makde of 40x80 i type extrusion

@jackwilson1245 6 ай бұрын

There is a t-track that fits the Festool clamps manufactured by Orange Aluminum in the US. It is available from Amazon in 36” and 48” lengths. It is also available direct from the manufacturer; but the freight is ridiculous.

@danryan9170 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, do you have hollow walls behind your MFT area? Would it be possible to cut into the wall (just on your side)/ box out hinge movement area to allow the Dashboard hinge to function without shrinking your work area? Just an idea.

@colindoesdiy 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I was in Ikea today by chance and remembered this video from February 😁. Not sure if the Ikea top brass follow your channel but the 1.4 Meter "Vidga" triple curtain track is now £22 a length (with ceiling fittings that is). Considerably more expensive than the £1 per length you mention in this video, perhaps they have realised from your video that they are missing an untapped market 🤣🤣🤣🤣 just thought you might be interested, take care.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I think I say that it was on a special offer at the time, but even so, £22 for a 1.4m length of extrusion isn’t actually bad value! 👍😂

@mike1117777 2 жыл бұрын

Any chance of a review of the makita battery router versus makita copy. Mike Woodmansey

@johnfitzgerald4274 8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@davidsmith3334 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter I've been looking for some kind of extrusion to fit on the front of my bench to take rail clamps wound up using an old 1.4m evolution guide rail mounted on a scaffold board works perfectly

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

That’s definitely a more expensive way of doing it, but if you have the rail it’ll absolutely work! 🙌👍

@northeastcorals 9 ай бұрын

Searching online seems to bring up a huge amount of cheap 9.5mm slot extrusions & very few not so cheap 8mm ones 😆

@patrickdonegan9559 Жыл бұрын

Which 80 20 series works with this festool system?

@jasonm.7358 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always, Peter. Now I must go and find what extrusion the Sautershop folks use for their Variobench, though it’s designed to use dogs and not a pivoting track.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

The Minitec is really nice and I had high hopes that it might accommodate the Festool hinge - but no! What a surprise! 😂 🤷‍♂️

@theofarmmanager267 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video but, what a confusing subject with all those extrusions fitting this but not fitting that. Everyone has their own way of working and so I have no problem with whatever set up you have - providing you know the options. Is it me do others agree that the whole MFT arena is full of very expensive options. The fear is that newcomers think that they have to splash out huge amounts to get good results. In fact, I would suggest those newcomers don’t buy any MFT bench, accessories at all until they have worked out what suits them and their space. I’m lucky in that my workshop is now virtually 9m x 8m. That’s plenty of room for the table saw as my main means of cutting panels down. I do use the Festool track saw if I want long strips or just to cut panels in half - but that’s more because of the awkwardness and weight of heavier panels (don’t mock, it will come to you as well). I’ve had a MFT style top (1600 x 1000) for maybe 10 years and I still haven’t used the majority of the holes. Because I’ve got one, I can use that as a template for a new worktop but, I didn’t, I would certainly not spend a small fortune on systems such as the Parf guide. As it is, I will probably only duplicate every other hole. I’m on no way being disparaging about new ways of working; I just feel personally that the temptation is for relative newcomers to spend a load of money when that money could be better spent at the beginning of their hobby on the basics; and for free, scouring YT to evaluate who is talking sense and who is talking, and selling, nonsense. Peter is excellent for those whose woodworking aspirations are mainly panel work. You can’t go wrong with Peter on that. If you want to develop into making perhaps more traditional work using hardwoods and even introducing curves, then it’s almost a different branch of woodworking. One of our sons works fitting the insides of very expensive RVs. Almost all of his work is panel work and rectangular pieces. He’s truly excellent at making cabinets, edge banding etc. but he only works with hardwoods at home and has learnt most of that from me. That will teach him.

@Viken43 3 ай бұрын

I have recently added an Incra T-trak to my MFT style bench, only finding the fixings are stopping clamps from running freely. They are pan-headed, should I use say counter sunk screws or simply glue the track to the bench?

@Spider2029 2 жыл бұрын

Ah! We came up gathering pretty much the same information, which makes me proud of me if I can say so myself 😂 Now, I'm seriously thinking about getting the Dashboard hinge (being in contact with Rob for a while) and the Sauter frame (1200x800). It should work well as far as my understanding goes. Only doubt is that 45x45 profiles may be too light for the hinge support? Still not sure, need to investigate further on it. Best! P.S. great quality video, as pretty much always Pete, thank you so much!

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The sauter frame is 45x45 minitec. Should be fine with the dashboard set, but won’t fit the Festool hinge. 👍

@BikeisDusty 2 жыл бұрын

T Rack is one decision. What size holes? 3/4" or 20mm?

@MINGLE2008 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for interesting video.

@paulhodgson4790 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to this build with interest. This is my next project, MFT bench with hinged rail so this looks like it is right up my street. I do find it odd that no one has come up with a hinge that doesn't cost a fortune.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Well, the obvious reason might be... capitalism! 😂 In all seriousness, it's a niche product - even amongst woodworkers - and I have to say, having looked into making a hinge myself, the Festool one is really pretty good value. 🤷‍♂️

@raynuttall1642 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter , First of all great videos but on the subject of extrusion I have been using 40x40 profile along 60x30 both with 8mm slots I purchased these from a company called eurofit here in England . All their various configurations are in a online catalog with a price list also a cutting service . Keep up the good work cheers Ray

@richjones2767 2 жыл бұрын

The minitec extrusions fit the Bessey rail clamps nicely and other cheaper ones, not tried Festool. They stay square, may be better for the hinge as well, Sautershop sell them.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the minitec is good, but only for clamps - the Festool rail supports don't fit unfortunately. 👍

@kriggi7767 2 жыл бұрын

I built a modular workbench out of aluminium extrusion last year. I found there were two different types of extrusion, BR (Bosch Rexroth) and IR (Item) both available from KJN in the UK. It looks like you have the BR extrusion which has the little groves either side of the slot. I used the IR 40x40L extrusion which doesn’t have those groves and found the Festool ratchet clamps work really well.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. The Festool clamps - and most rail clamps - will work with most off-the-shelf 8mm and 10mm extrusion. The issue is with the rail hinge and support. 👍👍

@kriggi7767 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying Peter. When you have a moment have a look at the profiles on KJNs website. The Item profile is thicker (has a little return) where grove is which I think will work with your hinge support.

@tomwilson5822 Жыл бұрын

Just checked out the vidga. It’s £25 a length in their uk as I live in Germany I checked it out hear and it was only 16 euros

@kristapple 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, have you looked at the Incra T track, not sure if the sizes are what you’re looking for, but they’re well built, and certainly thicker material than the ikea curtain track 😆

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but they don’t do a size that will accommodate the Festool parts. Great for clamps and regular t-bolts though. 👍

@billgregg2828 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, very much enjoy your videos. They are very professionally presented. I was wondering if you have looked at the Veritas Quad T-Slot Track for your new MFT top.. I do not know if the length would work but they appear to be the right general dimensions for the front and back of your build. thanks again!

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill. Don’t think the quad t-slot works with the Festool rail hinge set, unfortunately. Nice profile otherwise though! 👍 👍

@havenview 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, try looking on motedis - they do 8mm slot B type and I type extrusion in various arrangements. Their 30x90 B type slot 8 looks ideal

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Looks great for clamps, not for the Festool bits unfortunately. 👍

@chrisohanlon69 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@carllamb6711 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter, very interesting I might need a run out to ikea over the weekend..... Where have you been mate ? Missed ya videos 👍👍👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Carl. Gone fortnightly while I deal with the longer vids. 👍

@colinperkins7564 Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter. Quick question: why did you buy the extrusion (the one from KJN) with a 10mm slot? Does 8mm not fit the Festool clamps and the Dashboard hinge? Sorry if you’ve answered that elsewhere, I’ll watch the rest of the video, just scrolled forward to that bit, but I was assuming that 8mm is the way to go until I saw this.

@ianmoore525 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, would love to know where to get those star knobs with the blue centre cap that are on the Dashboard bracket?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I believe they’re a part that dashboard have made.

@jerryeykholt8218 2 жыл бұрын

For a fixed bench in a small space, I wonder why you would need to have the rail hinge slide along a rail. Or, you might consider having the rear rail mounted over a limited span, maybe 20 cm and not over the full length of bench. I understand the need for some adjustability for alignment, but you also have tight quarters and may need the space behind the fence.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t, necessarily. But if you have the full length of extrusion, you may as well fit it. Depending on your rail hinge, you could fit it permanently to the bench, or route. T-slot to suit in the bench material. For flexibility though, the curtain track extrusion is excellent. 👍

@dwp1970 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, most likely you had this thought already but if not. If your guide track is going in the same location in the shop what about creating a pocket in the wall (old doorway) to allow the Dashboard hinge the clearance it needs? Best of luck and I can't wait to see a review of the dashboard system, it looks pretty nice.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I’m afraid the seamstresses next door make enough noise without me opening up the wall! But excellent thinking, thanks! 😂👍

@1973Grejluder 2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, have anyone considered using what is called a Z-channel profile ? By using this type it will be possible to make your own width.

@nigellambert511 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative video as usual Peter. Is there a front rail support for the festool hinge? Its a shame there is not an affordable hinge for the Dewalt track which I use, although the dewalt saw can run on festool track, so might end getting a short length for my bench.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nigel. Only the Festool extrusion - or the ikea curtain track - will work with the Festool rail supports, front & rear. Not aware of any options for alternative rails - most saws will run in Festool-pattern rails, so I guess there’s limited appeal in someone developing one. 👍👍

@robertschumacher1787 2 жыл бұрын

Our guide rail brackets are compatible with Dewalt rails.

@tcbridges Жыл бұрын

Pete, I want to build my own MFT table I am using a Festool 1400 and LR32 wanted to a ask you what is a good 22mm bit for the holes. I'm in the us . Ty

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

No 20mm bit will give a snug fit used with a router unfortunately, due to router run-out. I heave my own bit being manufactured that will help compensate for this, but it’s a little way off yet.

@vdis Жыл бұрын

13:39 You'd be surprised how hard it is to find T nuts and bolts in my region. I've been to multiple specialised hardware stores, today, even two Festool dealers and no one could help me out. Looks like Amazon will be the only company making money off of me 😕

@H2Dwoat 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I’m wondering if a 3D printed cover for some of the ‘too small’ for the profile clamps might be suitable as a spacer to take up the slack.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Possibly, but it’s a very small profile and I’d be slightly concerned about keeping it attached. 👍

@H2Dwoat 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop hi, a valid concern but I was thinking a friction fit that would compress slightly as the clamp tightened. Adhesive would prevent them being used for there original purpose.