Great video! Eyes are always the windows to the soul!!

Thank you sir..My passion for Pigeon is just about to kick in..I used to race pigeon when I was a kid and was totally different.40 years ago I was considered to be the best amongst my fellow racers(on our own standards)moved to America and totally lost touched about pigeons but because of your videos I am more passionate than ever.I am contemplating to acquire and start getting into birds.I live here in San Francisco California but I don’t know anyone that races here.God bless you sir and more videos Please.

Great video on Eyesign!! Thank you for taking the time to explain in detail.

Fun video. I am not a eye sign expert and hadn’t researched it much but a good eye on a bird does get my attention.

Wonderful video. I am in Africa, Burkina Faso, Ouagadougou. I do have 28 pigeons. Have no ideas what I am racing... I had started. And learning while racing pigeons for business

Fun fact: when I googled something about unusual pigeon eye I was looking for a breed called “Budapest pigeon” that was before I knew the name of the breed. It’s quite an unusual and alien like breed.

Very informative video james. I am a beginer in racing pigeon hooby. What i found after watching your video All winning birds have not round shape pupil but oval. black color is expending to thier adaptive circle.

When I started racing pigeon. I was too crazy about the eye of the pigeon, the body, the wing, the tail, the throat etc. This year I won my very first OLR entry@ Royal Cup Race. 1st drop 325 miles, 3rd to trap. Sister finished 350 miles @ California Classic, brother finished 360 miles Sandiego Holiday Cup. I compared the 3 siblings, they all have the same eye, same body, the only difference with the brother champion is that, he is well spirited, has character, and full of vitality. Also, I get to handle some of the champions, they all have different eyes. I would go for the performance and the race records of the ancestors.

thank you for sharing good and Very interesting information. Keep them coming. My pick would be 6 for distance/ breeding capability, 11 for speed and small nice pupils with quick reactions to the light. love the mountain ranges in both pigeons the can produces a great looking eye be sure and outstanding 250 to 400, 500 miles middle distance racing. they could be paired up I would watch them offspring in 2022. Please keep us posted on you breeding and racing. Great video💯

No coincidence in the eyes of great pigeons. They'll have great eyes as well as everything else!!

You are. Awesome your birds has a nice signs I do not no what is your record except one I like the most of them

You're entitled to your thoughts & beliefs - I applaud you for it & sharing with viewers But decades ago when I flew competitively to be successful (that means Winning) pairing birds by performance is what sustained me Performance in the races - in the nest & consistency I was taught this by the greatest handler to ever fly pigeons - example: let's say you sent 10 birds to the race the thinking aka mindset when the first group lands the remaining birds should be no longer then 5 minutes behind - not saying performance is infallible but it's the one peramenter/measure that tells the truth consistently The Handler I mentioned before is & was the late great FRANK (FRANKY) KLEIN

Tanx sir i learn a lot of the eye sing of a good racing bird more power sir and god bless and keep safe always

So many top birds, thanks for showing us 👍👍

Excellent video!!

Really great video James . Great eyes of all birds some stood out in various aspect , and some missed couple of things but over all it a hard task to breed based on eye signs , matter of coming up with youngsters with diff color signs and pupil color, I be seen birds with different eyes on each side as well , performance wise only the basket is the judge and how healthy is the bird, if the line is hardcore line such as Gerard coopman, can see merwie, ejr kump, Vanderbile venaestra and ad sharelekans then nest belive they will outlast anything in the race . Especially when the numbers of pigeons released over 40 k . Let the flying begun. Great black bird forgot her name , she s a stunner .

Very helpful video! Thank you very much 😊 greetings from Romania

Great video sir. ..good job🥰 Im from the phillipines very impormative Again god job👏👏👏

Hey James, thanks for putting this together. Yes, I believe there is something there. I kind of like to look at the pupil and the circle of correlation to see what distance they'rebetter for. Some have a coc that is stringer than others. I ike to see the eye with a more normal eye formation but love the odd iris colors. But in the end I'm more in line of not caring a lot for the whole eye sign. Now here's a question for you. I still have not read enough about it. Many people say not to breed cock with hen of a similar eye sign. Any idea why? Great video, thank you.

Thanks idol for explain the eyesign of pegion

Thanks for sharing valuble infermation

#7 bull eyes are hard for me. It looks like a decent racer. If you like it and it's performing, raise a few!

Many interesting and also useful things

Thank you

Thank you very much for this video. I am going to give my modest opinion according to my knowledge. Beware number 1. Due to the saw teeth on the front, perhaps you should try it in breeding. Although I think his children would not perform in races, perhaps his grandchildren. number two. for racing. number 3. okay quick in background number 6. round pupil with contractions, correlation well marked like a ring on the finger, slightly blurred iris but with mountains and valleys. number 7. sprinter, I think. number 8. fast. number 9. very good, it has almost everything. number 10. pupil and total set okay, okay, top top. number 11. only for racing. number 12. remains to be developed. eye number 4. Despite the lack of discoloration in the iris, it is very powerful for flight or racing. and I would breed with him. because you can see a lot of power or inner energy. VanBerbel. Almeria/Spain. All the best.

Thanks James. Great skills. Genuis idea, attaching an eye loop to the phone camera. Brilliant 👏. Here is a project for you James and I think you with your scientific mind can solve this once and for all. Compare the eyes of different breeds of pigeons for example flying machines with no homing instincts like tiplers they have the smallest pupils going, fan tail that are happy using their legs only fly when they have to and so many other fancy breeds and see if there's any correlation between Shap, form, colour...etc. it is a big ask as this could be a thesis for masters degree a PhD. If anyone can do it I think you can. Kind regards. K. From Dublin ireland 🇮🇪

Awesome!

love the eye of bird number 7.

Am so happy to put this video

❤❤very informative👏

Dear Robertson Family. I am a freelance documentary filmmaker from Germany and I am producing a documentary about birds in art history. One episode is about pigeons and I would kindly ask if I can use the first 8 sec. of your clip " Eyesign in racing pigeons explained" for my documentary ? Its a fantastic shot of a pigeons eye. Thanks for getting back. Have a great day Heiko

#12 very nice eye. I like the 5th ring, outer, the best. Race it to prove than possible stock

hello robertson i acknowledge your efforts on this video, its probably the best video on youtube about the eye at least now i know what a pigeon eye is , however i want to know more about the correlation the term you talked about the texture and speed lines can you please make a chart or draw them with pencil on a paper consider me a 6 year old kid and explain please i want to know more about it what is the theory about it what is a racer sign and what is a breeder line , long distance short distance i want to know everything about it, please make a video about correlation only i will watch it even if its a 12 hr lecture, please i will be looking forward to it

So Beautiful Raching pigeons

support from philippines sir 🙏

Well, im a bit late to comment on this one, but i will anyway. Let me start off by saying great video, very informative and interesting. In my experience, birds no 1, 2, and 9 looked really good and overall i see quality in your birds. Another thing i was told to look for is an egg-shaped pupil as an indicator for quality and performance and you can see that in the winning fancier's birds, although the best racer/breeder i ever owned had a round, medium sized pupil. Of course, you have to consider all the other characteristics of the bird and its will to get home the most important factor of all.

Pairing eye #9 and #11 would be great!

#11 good for long distance racing

Good 👍

That black bird looks so good

#4 looks like a good breeder and racer. I'd probably train and race this one and asap raise young ones on a great male to try.

Show their racing history and I will pick the best eye lol

19:14 I must say purple pigment are sign of good breeders

Black Splash, racing and breeding

When I look at a birds eye, I guess I'm looking for health and that nothing odd is going on, like a pupil off from the center of the eye, two eyes of different color. And I like to see lots of color with the idea being the eye should be able to handle light better if it is rich in color rather than washed out. But, as you showed, this really works better with a bird with some age to even have color as a baby doesn't start out with full colored eyes and so they change over time. The bird that has the yellow eye I would fault, but only very small. All other things considered, to me the basket is the ultimate judge. These are meant to be performance birds! But if we are honest we want pretty birds too! And so yes, it's not surprising to me the champions have good eye sign because we do select for it. As in if you have several birds with excellent racing ability, and still choose from them based on eye sign who to breed, than no surprise you get more good racers that whoop! Good eye sign! But to be honest I think it's a bunch of crap and just make my bird choices based on other things than just the eye. Performance first! Than after that I'm honest, I keep back the good performing PLUS good body conformation. I had six youngsters out of 18 I started with this summer left. But only one will make it to the breeding loft this next year. And only just barely! Most of the rest had various conformation issues I didn't want to continue with or colors I didn't like. Anyhow, great video! thanks for doing this. I knew some of the stuff but you helped clarify the rest. Thank you. But yes I'm biased that I don't buy into the whole eye sign theory but I don't have proof it doesn't work either. As I don't have a racing club in North Dakota. I just fly for fun and their only goal for me is to be home the next day when I get to the loft after a toss. Anyway, thanks again! good work!

Eyes are generally yellow or pearl(white) background not orange :) the Iris can be orange to red depending on how many blood vessels are present

#9 I would train and race to prove than stock for breeding

#8 good for racing

I would love to have 1 of your yb❤️ they are so gorgeous☺️

#12 shows speed and distance that was my favorite

is there any scientific proof of the eye features ?

2 was my favorite and i would have pegged 4 as a distance bird and after that i lost track. would you tell us what the records of those birds was/is? or failing that, do they have a notable pedigree that contradicts or confirms any of the guesses?

I like nr.9

#2 Violet eye, one I like. Good racer, I'd breed as well. Let me know how I'm doing?

#6 great racer, should breed well

#3 good racer, I'd raise a few to try. Not sure about the breeding?

The only thing I see is a video looking at gorgeous eyes, all so unique! They remind me of Nebulas and distant planets. What is the origin of eye sign theory? It sounds like something that would come from Asian or Chinese culture, coming from someone who used to live in Taiwan. I could easily see this as something they'd believe in, especially w/ how the wealthy see things there. It's all about the secrets to success beiing based on a knowable criteria that the successful have figured out, & if only you could discover it, you'd be rich too! They also love adding in a little mysticism mixed in for good luck!)

This is a very well done video. Personally, I think eyesign theory is akin to what we Gypsies call "bujo", which is best explained as someone claiming to have supernatural powers and who then utilizes them to deceive someone for gain. Of course, chances are, the only "power" that person possesses is the ability to convince their target that they possess such a power. In otherwords, it is only so much convincing sounding bullshit intended to razzle-dazzle the unsuspecting into thinking the bujo artist has some special insight that others do not possess. Sounds a lot like so called "pigeon graders", doesn't it? It's worth mentioning that in Rollers, there is a small degree of belief in eyesign that has been borrowed from the Racing sport. As a case in point, there is a belief that a pearl eyed bird possesses "more fly than roll" and that the whiter the eye, the more fly there is and the less tendency there is to roll. Some also believe that a well defined circle of correlation indicates higher velocity during the roll. (How it can equate to one thing in one breed and something else entirely different in another breed seems to be quite beyond the people who believe in it). My only personal observation after 40 plus years around Rollers were that most rolldowns or other pigeons with stability issues tend to have very little hippus reflex when a bright light is shown in their eye. In other words, the pupil remains large instead of constricting rapidly down to a small size. This however, is not eye sign bujo, but a result of the fact that the rolling mechanism in pigeons is a result of what could best be described as a nervous system disorder that has been cultivated and steered by breeders into a specific direction. It's worth adding that some nervous system disorders in humans also result in irregular pupil dilation.

#9 racing and long distance also good for breeding

How to find circle of co relation ring plz tell me🙏

OK👍

What is the special of rich mountain level irish pleas tell mee?

Can some one explain me about distance line and short line

The only thing that concerns me about the pigeon eye is if they could see well. In my personal opinion, judge the pigeon by its performance and the performance of its lineage. Until somebody can consistently explain the correlation of the eyesign to the pigeons ability to home or breed champions, I think I'll stick to race results. Having said that, it doesn't hurt to have pigeons with good looking eyes in my loft, as opposed to crossed eyed or wondering eyed ones, lol.

#10 race to prove than stock to breed

I'd pair 6 and 4 together for good sprint middle distance birds. I'm not a fan of the bull eye in the pied and white birds. Number 5 was my least favourite eye sign

Some old fanciers who analyze eye traits might say number 5 is a super breeder. To me, as an OLR contender, I wanna see OLR winners and top performers in the pedigree and nothing else. I have double inbred ORNAT directly purchased from AFL, grandchildren of ORNAT from AFL, grandchildren of Best Kittel, grandchildren of Wolverine, grandchildren of Sharky. They all have different eye traits. I do however like the way pearl eyes look.

Great video,, but I think you must come to Indonesia,, and see the pigeon culture of Indonesia (MERPATI KOLONG) ,, and I hope you research,, and so sorry my English not good ☺️🙏👍👍👍👍👍

5,10,11

#8 racer

Top for my number 5 I take it 😍🤩

I choose bird number 6/9/10 very beautiful and i think a good breeder.

Hi sir.. I have a lots of doubt in eye sign , In iris such birds have a lot of blood vessel ,the blood vessel means what sir and there is a lot of colours and the birds eyes are differ in ages or food and water , eyes are no longer in same condetion or in differ am I begginer in roller birds

#11 race to prove than breed a few!

Winners and breeders of multiple winners all have good eyes . When i handle a pigeon through habit i always look at the eye . I do not believe in eyesign theory to select winners or breeders of winners .

I need the best pair of pigeons please how much they are?

I love looking at eyes, women too....but spend your time locating pigeons with pedigrees full of winners and Champion pigeons( regardless of their eyes)....learn what top health and condition look like...learn how to feed and exercise....then when you are among the best fanciers in your club...start looking more at eyes and enjoy them then....Even the experts make more bad selections than good ones..

wish i have racing pigeons 😭

9y 10

i would pair 8 to 10 thats for me

#5 race, race, race, try a few young ones to see

When i was much younger i was real interested in eye sign and read all i could about it but 50+ yrs on find it is only a fraud to think that u can judge a pigeons worth by eye sign alone and the colour is just that nothing special have had the best and yet never bred anything to back it up better as a trait to look for in a good performing family.

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Bird 7&8 look pretty. That’s as far as my knowledge . LOL

Good topics Sir. Contact please

My take has always been that.. The eye sign theory is all a bunch of bunk!.. It's "scientifically" impossible to determine if a bird will hypothetically be a great or good producing parent of great or good flying offspring or if that particular bird will be a good or great flyer him/herself.. The eyes, as with all animals, including racing pigeons are only used for vision nothing more. With that said, a pigeon will always be a better bird if they eyes sparkle and show that it's in good health.. That's the only thing I look for in a birds eyes..

You are not blending your pigeons together right the eyes are weak no 10 is your strongest your bone structure will tell you if long-distance or short distance eye will tell you capabilites look for telescopic eye they are the winners thank art

my opinion are only the basket can tell you everything in one pigeon

Brian. What. Takes. Him. Home. Eye. What. He. See. A. Hak. Had. A. Better. Eye. Then. Pegion. I. Tc. Had. Birds. For. 50. Y. What. U. Need. A. Good. Handler. And. Trainer. Never. Flag. Birds. Take. Down. The. Road. To. Times. A. Day. Then. You'll. See. What. Is. Good. Birds. U. Have.

I’ve not met ONE Belgian champion that believes in eye sign. Can we look in your eye and tell how good of a human you are, or how smart you are, or how hard of a worker you are? It’s nonsense and unfair to judge quality thoroughbreds on fairy tales and fables.

Also what gives you the qualifications to read or interpret eye signs of champion pigeons? Where are YOUR results to prove it. You’re showing videos (not very clear I might add) of your pigeons. I’ve never heard of you or your results so at the end of the day what are we looking at? A vanity project for KZfaq “likes”? When you know what you’re talking about and have the results to back up your imagined theories let us know. 🙄

MORPHOGENISIS.....MORPHGENETICS...COULD BE A NEW FRONTIER...IN BBEHAVIOUR OF ANIMALS...BREEDING AND PERFORMANCE.....WHO KNOWS..??? VERY INTRESTING SUBJECT.....