Story of my life. I have a feeling sometimes that if I even make 16k my team still will find a way to lose

@@tensor8804 that is possible

Metals torment players after getting 13-16 kill games in a TDM that only goes up to 20 and their team still manages to lost

a pole of like 6,000 people on the forum show'd 85% of people had small matches turned on, no idea why we arent getting them but the one small match i did have devolved into a dogfight between me an the other team and was actually really fun.

@@GoodGuyDevin Because such a poll is inherently biased, since the people participating are those that actually engage with the game deeper outside of just playing it, which is generally the vast minority. The majority of players just trundles along, playing the game and not caring much about anything else, probably not even patch notes. Thus, while any polls conducted in forums or the reddit or on youtube channels might show high adoption of the feature, in reality that's like far from true and will remain this way unless aggressively shoved into players faces ingame.

@@Th3HuntingShadow yeah your probably right about that. But also importantly its a statement to the fact that at least 6,000 people have the small battles option enabled. which if all of those theoretical people queued for small battles that were all 8 v 8, we would have around 750 matches and that's more than enough active battles. gaijin should just filter the matchmaking for people who want small battles.

I think it was just bad luck

16 braindeads is better for the grind

this is why I said that battles with Fox-3s should be sort of a thing like night battles are for GRB.

previous patch: lock, fire missile, notch, die because there are 16 people shooting missiles at you. this patch: lock, fire missile, defend because 16 people are shooting at you, your fox-3's hit or miss, you die or live if you defended enough. its hardly any different before other than needing to focus more on surviving then just slinging missile's and holding lock while flying 2 feet off the ground, once again, smaller matches would largely remove these problems.

sounds like a skill issue

Sounds like the same thing that was said by others every time when jets - missiles - radar missiles and then irccm missiles were added, just means you’ve found the br where you don’t enjoy playing above and its around 10.7

Sorry but this is a skill issue, arh are easy to avoid and if you dont like them play a lower tier. games need 8v8.

200% agree, essentially nothing changed other than needing to defend from more missiles as a result of ARH and 16 v 16, and if your team is braindead and doesn't defend then they just fly into a wall of amraams, lose the game and then go to the forums to spam how bad this update was.

gaijin also buffed the chafs a lot and placed limitations on the use of the fox 3 such as the need for lock or tws and removed the possibility of shooting pitbulls. the biggest problem with wt is that not even the players know what they really want, they ask day after day for modern things but they don't want to study and learn how to deal with modern things. They want to take an F22 and go to Readon's battle with cannons...

@@GoodGuyDevin I understand your argument but what's not fair is when all game you have to defend against missiles that are so far away you don't even see the missile markers anymore because its motor ran out of fuel by the time it gets near you. War Thunder is an arcade PvP game and has rewards, unlike DCS, so its very frustrating when people push this agenda of ultra realism and when you have to defend against missiles and you don't get to do anything and hence, get no rewards. If gaijin actually rewarded surviving and working with your team than I wouldn't have a problem. Also for people who wanted FOX-3's added to the game because it would be "fun" and make top tier "not stale anymore" you're stupid. I get that people flying low to the ground using the exaggerated multipathing was annoying but at least it wasn't as stale as this new meta of long range missile spam and running away. Also, don't just say "turn around or notch or chaff to dodge the missile". I know how to do that I'm not a retard, not like the F-5C or F-4S players who finally got their top tier jets that are on my team. I pretty decent at the game and have been playing for just under 6 years. Also no one can deny the statement that this update ruined stock grinding for top tier jets.

@@MAV_509Yeah stock grinding is definitely not so great, especially if you don’t have chaff. Even then you’ll be defending 99% of the time. What makes matters much worse imo is the USSR/Russia Tree. The R-77s perform SO BADLY that it’s not even worth grinding for the SU-27SM or anything past 11.3-12.0 at all. The F-15C , and F-16C and any derivatives of them that use Fox-3s like the F-15J MSIP and F-16AM (Plus Gripens with AIM-120s) pretty much curb stomp anything outside of 10km.

Lo de los 120 es criminal tío estoy más esquivando que atacando , encima no ves el misil y solo sabes que viene y te toca tirar para atras y cuando ya regresas va y te tiran otro antes eran solo f14 ahora son mucho más y peligrosos para colmo pegarme al suelo o me dan o explota a mi lado y me daña doy gracias que el gripen A tiene muchas contramedidas, pero es un asco digan lo que digan y con misiles de 11.0 o menos en america que lo esquivan fácilmente mientra me caen entre 2 o 5 fox 3 por que mi equipo esta muerto por puro 120 y algun que otro fox 3

AAM-4 is such a gimmick too its mod is after Aim-120A and irl is comparable to Aim-120C5

R77-1 maybe add next time, it have more fuel and engine so that it can flight further

both are great people to me, thanks for the compliment!

The R77 isn’t nerfed it’s just bad irl, so much drag

@@potater6819 In fact, that's what I meant, 👍

its automatic

@@ferrous3262 Oh, I didn't realize that's just how ARHs work, did not pay attention. I've been playing the F-14 recently and it doesn't have this.

@@idvhfd yea f14 doesn't have it not sure if its accurate tho

@@amari2509 if i was a bad player i wouldn't be complaining in the comments like 90% of the people are and i wouldn't be having fun. i average like 5 kills a game because i know how to play against fox-3's, and as a DCS player whose favorite module is the f15c, I've been waiting for this type of gameplay for years and i enjoy it. the last year of war thunder has been hugging the ground brainlessly and spamming 9m's in a furball. Now im actually glad i can kill half the enemy team's braindead players before i even see them now in this patch, because at least not every match devolves into a furball of random missiles an teamkilling, but with the amount of people shooting ARH missiles this patch games are over too fast. overall not much changed between this, and last patch besides actually needing to learn how to defend missiles (and not just hugging the ground or notching), and confusing these missiles really isn't hard BTW. go watch karmas MICA video, several of his missiles are evaded from extremely close range even, the only problem with this update is the missile spam is worse than last update, which again would be solved by 6 v 6 . 8 v 8 matches, and not to mention other ARH missiles are underperforming compared to the amraam.

@@GoodGuyDevinpeople are acting as if this wasn’t the reality with the r27ERs for over a year already. Unless you were playing the goober “under 100 meters Mach 1.2 straight towards the enemy!” Play style which to me was the most boring repetitive thing ever. Go in, get 1-3 kills, die, next match, repeat. There was so little strategy and engagement besides the 15 seconds of dog fighting you’d engage in before either you or your target gets 3rd partied.

Same. People who don’t like this patch just have skill issues, nor do they have the knowledge of how to navigate the fox 3 landscape.

@@amari2509 u sounds like a bad player, im purple looking at war thunder statistics, and i like new gameplay, u still can play like old way and get a kills, im playing like that with AV-8B+ when i get 13.0 battle, and i do well in my J-11 and mig-29smt, u just ppl sucks and cry all the time, go play mario or something, they only one thing they should change is player amount per team cuz those smaller battles are not working or u get them like one per day which is joke, and its still most of time 12v12 so its like old battles where 12v12 was standard and it should stay like this.

@@GoodGuyDevin yeah exactly, they cry about stupid new gameplay, yeah cuz old one was good and more skill, sure x D crybabies

Don't ask for other people's keybinds. You have to find what works for you. That's the entire point of custom battles and test flights.

​@@RedTail1-1 I already made all the settings myself, since this is something new, I was just curious. I don't copy other people's settings completely, but I'm curious to get inspired and inspired.

my countermeassures are on mb4 :)

@@Bad_Karma777 But it seems like you are using chaff and flare on separate keys. Because I pay attention that you only use one and the other does not decrease.

oh yes of course, I forgot that now there is this xD, I put a different config just for chaff on the keyboard and one to select what type of countermeasure launch I want on the plane, but it is always set for chaff and flares together

This video is sad to watch even for me. I upload them here and simply look for other things to do. I play with tanks or play something else. I no longer enjoy playing what I used to like before

@@Bad_Karma777 how cant u enjoy something ur good at

​@@Mr.MiG29you started playing recently dont you?

im fucking level 100​@@rv2_nostalgia541

@@rv2_nostalgia541 im fcking level 100 I suck at the game and suffer

Yes, only in a notch

Why do you then chaff when the missile is clearly behind you ?

because if I change the aspect quickly enough the missile may miss trajectory or become unstuck

Does that happen on a regular basis ? If not you can save a lot of chaff

no, you got it all absolutely wrong, and you don't have to understand either

@@Bad_Karma777 so the r27 isn't in the game and didnt clear entire matches for months roger. thanks for clearing that up for me.

@@Maves916 xD

@@Maves916 My criticism is aimed at reducing the number of players, that's all

​@Bad_Karma777 I don't see how reducing players would affect anything. It would make matches even more dull and shorter. This just feels like a weak parroting argument of other content creators without any real meaning behind the point. People are acting as if you're facing all 16 players at once when that's the farthest from the truth. Take a flank, face a handful of people, and go defensive. This is a lot better than the 'hug the ground and hold W for missile shield protection'.

ambos são bons, vc nunca vai parar de jogar com nenhum deles, ent n se preocupe com a ordem

yes, im back to the 12.0

Try taking r27ets usually a lot of people dont flare them and u can get 20km kills with them

Skill issue

ARH missile aircraft should really be 13.3 or 14.0, with exception of the harrier maybe because its so slow, i feel really bad for the people who are 12.3 and 11.7 with no ARH missiles

What? They are pretty easy to defend from. Mad you can’t fly 100 feet off the ground and have a divine shield?

Then try AMRAMM with Tornado and Harrier.

When everyone just flies straight at each other launching all their missiles, it takes very little skill to do well at this game.

@@Maves916 The issue here is that skill has to be paid for, and Gaijin decided not to address this anymore. The problem is not having multipathing, the problem is not having multipathing in a horrible 16v16 mode that only serves as a money grab from bad players. To have Fox-3 in the game, most people (among good content creators and air mode players) with common sense that I saw asked for 6v6, at most 8v8. If the game had these limits, there wouldn't be a problem NOT having multipathing, because you would be in situations of duels, positioning, and strategy, making the game healthier. Today we live in a situation that Karma explores in the video, either you spam AMRAAMS and return to base to stay alive, or you apply strategy and positioning and end up 1v7 at the end of the game. How is that fun? I'll ask a simple question: if the game were 2v2 or 4v4, how often do you think Karma would lose? in the video what I see are allies and enemies playing as bots, Karma eliminated more than half of a lobby and still lost, this was the saddest defeat I have ever seen in a video here on the platform, he did nothing wrong and more than that any player deserved to win

salty skill issue noob crying

@@SuiSideex only smaller matches :)

yeah same like patch before, just spam R-27ER, so much skill needed.

@@SuiSideex with R27ER only can engage one target with Fox 3 we can engage more than 3 so...

@@plymouth258 soo git gud