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Growling Sidewinder

Growling Sidewinder

9 ай бұрын

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@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.
@robloxboi21alt59
@robloxboi21alt59 9 ай бұрын
Love it!
@hkguitar1984
@hkguitar1984 9 ай бұрын
Thank You Toxic, great flying. Thanks GS, great content. When I was in the Reserves my Unit flew the F-4s, such a classic Hulk of a Jet.
@JohnDoe-vf2es
@JohnDoe-vf2es 9 ай бұрын
P-38 vs Mosquito, please??
@Plane_pancake
@Plane_pancake 9 ай бұрын
GrowlingSidewinder has now become a history channel lol
@seanmurphy7011
@seanmurphy7011 9 ай бұрын
F-4 vs MiG-23?
@busterdee8228
@busterdee8228 9 ай бұрын
Outcome aside, Toxic really made that thing sing. Reversals were special. You sure can pick opponents.
@tiivc
@tiivc 9 ай бұрын
real Colonel Tomb hours
@bret9741
@bret9741 9 ай бұрын
The F-4 was a very very effective fighter when pilots were trained for dogfights. When I was in the Navy during the transition from F-4’s to F-14’s we routinely saw F-4 crews dominate even against highly trained F-14 crews. The F-4 should have received the iron hammer upgrades.
@TheBear710
@TheBear710 9 ай бұрын
Indeed but in a real engangment against f14s f4s would be obliterated..... bvr go BRRRRRR
@rickdubbink
@rickdubbink 9 ай бұрын
What are/were the iron hammer upgrades about?
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 9 ай бұрын
What a coincidence... A few days ago, GS put out a vid of the F-4 up against the F-14!
@rafis117
@rafis117 9 ай бұрын
@@rickdubbinkmaybe he’s referring to the Israeli RF-4X program? They were able to take F-4s up above Mach 3 using water injection.
@BARelement
@BARelement 9 ай бұрын
@@rafis117Water?
@920utdoors9
@920utdoors9 9 ай бұрын
Yes the F-4s were using flight paths and call signs of F-105 Thunderchiefs. So the mission thought they were jumping Thuds and instead got jumped by Phantoms themselves. Col Robin Olds was the mastermind of the plan.
@robgraham5697
@robgraham5697 9 ай бұрын
Robin Olds is one of the greats.
@ToreDL87
@ToreDL87 9 ай бұрын
Well he came up with the general concept and props for that because SOMETHING had to be done, but he didn't mastermind Bolo any more than Yamamoto masterminded Pearl Harbor, most of it was for tactical officers to figure out.
@Joseph-Colin-EXP
@Joseph-Colin-EXP 9 ай бұрын
His book, fighter pilot is wirth a read.
@Jacrabbit454
@Jacrabbit454 9 ай бұрын
Beat me too it.
@AFlockofTacos
@AFlockofTacos 9 ай бұрын
Came to here to make sure Olds got his due.
@mattgoff3352
@mattgoff3352 9 ай бұрын
My dad worked on f4’s in country, he said they parked them pointing into the woods because diagnostic checks tended to have the missiles launch while on the ground.
@b.chuchlucious5471
@b.chuchlucious5471 9 ай бұрын
My Dad did also, 555th at Ubon and Udorn. Autopilot specialist.
@DChrls
@DChrls 9 ай бұрын
Weren't they shooting Sparrows? 🤡😖
@bipbap5079
@bipbap5079 9 ай бұрын
@@DChrls And Sidewinders...
@PhantomP63
@PhantomP63 9 ай бұрын
I don’t remember which book it was in, but supposedly one of the bases in Iceland prohibited armed Sidewinders on F-4s for a time because one came off the rail and took out an electric power cart. It’s interesting to read about similar incidents. I’ll try to find the reference
@BroDuke1
@BroDuke1 9 ай бұрын
Man if you keep doing explanations of real battles while you dogfight, from any era, you’ll have so many viewers.
@D.J._S
@D.J._S 9 ай бұрын
If you want to know about Operation Bolo read the book "Fighter Pilot" by Robin Olds. He's the legendary pilot that came up with, and executed Bolo.
@TR4Ajim
@TR4Ajim 9 ай бұрын
The “bombers” were usually F-105s (though B-52s were brought down as well). It would. Be interesting to see an F-105 vs MiG-21.
@ret7army
@ret7army 9 ай бұрын
Thud Ridge was a good read and the author describes a few encounters
@aztec0112
@aztec0112 9 ай бұрын
I've recently been running some test packages in DCS with VSN's Thud and Phantom. Mods vs DCS MiG-15/-19.The only real threat was from SA-2's I added after a bit.
@benn454
@benn454 9 ай бұрын
Two circles the size of Texas
@jamesjarrait2231
@jamesjarrait2231 9 ай бұрын
Those 105s couldn’t maneuver to save their mother when loaded for bombing.
@stinkyfungus
@stinkyfungus 9 ай бұрын
​@@jamesjarrait2231 Even clean, they were known to be poor performers in a dogfight. Wing loading was pretty lousy. Fast as a raped ape on the deck though... Nothing of its era could keep up with it down low with the ball to the wall.
@DCJCSIERRA-dq6qi
@DCJCSIERRA-dq6qi 9 ай бұрын
Also, the F-4’s were fitted with a rudimentary radar jammer called the ‘Tree’ that helped complete the ruse. The north Vietnamese saw a big blob of interference on their radar screens and thought another flight of F-105’s were approaching and before Operation Bolo ONLY F-105’s were equipped with these devices.
@christianperez8037
@christianperez8037 9 ай бұрын
As someone who’s favorite jet is the phantom, I love this
@viktorthebird6115
@viktorthebird6115 9 ай бұрын
As someone who's favorite jet is the MiG-21, I love this as well ❤
@An_idot
@An_idot 9 ай бұрын
Lucky guy has had 3 phantom vids in a row
@AP-te6mk
@AP-te6mk 9 ай бұрын
Phantom is definitely my favorite jet of all time. If you get the version with the gun, you should make some videos of you taking on progressively harder (in terms of platform) opposition in it. Let's find its limits lol. Phantom vs Everything! 😂
@bubblesofthecoast6393
@bubblesofthecoast6393 9 ай бұрын
From what I’ve learned, the Phantom was envisioned as an interceptor for the navy, which the Sparrows and Sidewinders could handle easily. Will say, could be worse; you could be running with the AIM-4 Falcons
@benn454
@benn454 9 ай бұрын
Ew, gross. At least the Sparrows were good for mounting on ships.
@_ace_defective_
@_ace_defective_ 9 ай бұрын
Well.... Air Force Phantoms did run the Falcons in Vietnam. They predictably did about as well as you would expect lol. Despite that, they seem to have used them all the way into 1972. The doctrine with interceptors at the time was to have no gun; the Phantom wasn't particularly unique in that regard (although the removal of the gun at the time is obviously still debatable) but it was also mainly forced into an air superiority role instead, where the lack of gun really did hurt it, although the early Sidewinders (or Falcons) and Sparrows, along with the humid climate of SEA, wasn't doing them any favors.
@bubblesofthecoast6393
@bubblesofthecoast6393 9 ай бұрын
@@_ace_defective_ Definitely. Also, a weird parallel could be found between Soviet and American pilots, in the sense that they both “forgot” how to dogfight. I know Paper Skies talks about it in his Soviet Top Gun video, which does a good job discussing this
@hecunt3633
@hecunt3633 3 ай бұрын
​@@_ace_defective_ The AIM-4s weren't meant for the F-4's hardpoints either
@zdopezz3744
@zdopezz3744 9 ай бұрын
Would love to see a Dogfight between the Mig-23 and the F-14
@riffler24
@riffler24 9 ай бұрын
The power of the F4 is really coming into clear focus with this video, holy cow
@920utdoors9
@920utdoors9 9 ай бұрын
Proof with enough thrust anything flies
@Terpenesteve
@Terpenesteve 9 ай бұрын
You and Toxic are such a great combo as duals,always amazing! Hats off for a darn great video! Always the best of the best GS
@NuclearFalcon146
@NuclearFalcon146 9 ай бұрын
Not having a gun is because the F-4 was also intended as an interceptor, however an area interceptor rather than a point interceptor. Even the Soviets built gun-less interceptors such as the Su-9, Su-11, and Su-15.
@ComradeAndrej
@ComradeAndrej 9 ай бұрын
First MiG-21 variant also didn't have a gun.
@Archer89201
@Archer89201 9 ай бұрын
​@@ComradeAndrejI think the early MiG-21 had two 30mm guns, then when the missile mania hit under Krushchev they got rid of the guns , then back to gun pods and then 23mm guns on the later models
@katherinespezia4609
@katherinespezia4609 9 ай бұрын
@@Archer89201 Quite a few of the MiG-21s that Vietnam flew were the gun-less PF model.
@NuclearFalcon146
@NuclearFalcon146 9 ай бұрын
@@ComradeAndrej So just like the Su-9, two missiles and that is ALL you get! Basically a manned SAM at that point. I think when the MiG-21 got its guns (initially twin 30mm, same as MiG-19) that it was more to supplement firepower than to be used in a dogfight. Two missiles just is not enough.
9 ай бұрын
Wasn't the F4 designed as a fleet defense interceptor ? Which requires far-reaching missiles, a lot of loitering endurance, a powerfull radar and two engines.
@Pooptar5-ey1bv
@Pooptar5-ey1bv 9 ай бұрын
On the VSN f-4 you need to switch your radar mode. I believe the keybind is 2 or P it makes getting tone way easier
@frankbizzoco1954
@frankbizzoco1954 9 ай бұрын
I agree, it makes getting a lock way easier. Especially with Sparrows within visual range.
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
I'd love to know what that bind is called because I can't find it. It would be very helpful.
@frankbizzoco1954
@frankbizzoco1954 9 ай бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder "toggle radar PLM on or off". If you just type PLM you should find it. Also, you need to have the latest version of the VSN F-4. I don't believe it was available in the initial release👍
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
@@frankbizzoco1954 got it thank you I'll do this for the next video.
@brianwright9514
@brianwright9514 9 ай бұрын
Idea time: Vietnam Era BVR fight. Tasking: You and your adversary are directed to each other by AWACS/Ground control. You have to use your primitive sensors and your whits to gain a tactical advantage and kill your adversary. Fox 1 and Fox 2 allowed.
@jhadorn1
@jhadorn1 9 ай бұрын
I would also say, if the F4B, no chaff or flare! Don't know about the Mig
@TheLandstrider
@TheLandstrider 9 ай бұрын
probably the best video youve made to date in terms of historical annoyances of aircraft
@jerk_store
@jerk_store 9 ай бұрын
Nice to see GS have a competent opponent, even if they didn't get a kill. Toxic always puts up a great fight.
@ShovelMonkey
@ShovelMonkey 9 ай бұрын
What, are you saying that the "Two Morons" aren't competent?
@embers5858
@embers5858 9 ай бұрын
always appreciate that you have a 4k version of the video
@BarneyRubble9999
@BarneyRubble9999 9 ай бұрын
Has there ever been a documented outcome of a dogfight where flares and/or chaff emitted from an aircraft have ever downed an enemy combatant?
@ecoop20
@ecoop20 9 ай бұрын
You can really see the difference between these jets and 4th gen jets based on how big the 2 circle is. I felt like the planes were always really far apart in this fight, whereas any fight with a Viper or Flanker feels much closer. Awesome vid!
@jeffrogers2180
@jeffrogers2180 9 ай бұрын
Back in about 1980 I went to my first air show at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, and I got to see a Phantom go straight up until I couldn't see it anymore.. I still think it's the coolest looking jet airplane design ever.
@cszabo8899
@cszabo8899 9 ай бұрын
Some fine work by Toxic. It's not easy to compete with the Phantom's sheer power.
@Boslandschap1
@Boslandschap1 9 ай бұрын
This early suboptimal missile technology makes for some very interesting dogfights as the pilots have to compensate the lackluster missiles performance with much better positioning of their aircraft in order to maximize the probability that they will work. Great fights!
@VikingTeddy
@VikingTeddy 9 ай бұрын
Top Gun made such a huge difference. There is the persistent myth that it was the lack of the gun that was the issue (thanks history channel), but it had surprisingly little effect. Once the aviators were properly trained, everything changed and no more losses were suffered by the navy iirc. The Airforce however continued to initially perform poorly, even after they got the gun.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw
@LuisSoto-ho5fw 9 ай бұрын
@@VikingTeddy The gun became a priority largely because of Top Gun. The Air Force was slow to adopt a Dissimilar Air Combat program that focused purely on dogfighting. Even Red Flag focuses on mimicking enemy tactics rather than having the "Red Air" aggressors fly the best F-16 they can. The book "Top Gun" authored by Dan Pedersen (Top Gun founder) provides a lot of insight. In it he states that missile ineffectiveness wasn't just the missile's fault - or the inherent difficulties of maintaining them in working order in the harsh Southeast Asian environment - but also lack of understanding of the effective "cone" of detection for those things, as the commenter above noted.
@thesupreme8062
@thesupreme8062 9 ай бұрын
The problem was hoe they were using the missiles not the missiles themselves.
@VikingTeddy
@VikingTeddy 9 ай бұрын
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw Thanks for the tip, adding the book to my reading list.
@jett2753
@jett2753 9 ай бұрын
Generally, the only time the F fours scored kills on Mig- 21s and Mig-17s was by either sneaking up behind them, or if they were in a dogfight, taking them to the vertical, because the F4’s not turn with the Migs. My grandfather was an Air Force F4 pilot in Vietnam. His squadron (366 TFW / 390th TFS; out of Da Nang AB) was mainly tasked to night-bomb truck convoys in Laos.
@danielayers3054
@danielayers3054 9 ай бұрын
That was awesome fellas, hats off to ya Toxic for making em work brother...Do it again!!!!
@broneauell
@broneauell 9 ай бұрын
I showed this video to my dad, he loves the Phantom and enjoyed seeing it splash some MiG’s
@tracywilkinson1820
@tracywilkinson1820 9 ай бұрын
I see you are flying "Showtime 100". Excellent!
@Ifoughtpiranhas
@Ifoughtpiranhas 9 ай бұрын
Who does poor GS have to bribe to get a gun pod on his Phantom? I hear that ground crews love cold beer...
@barelmaker
@barelmaker 9 ай бұрын
Heatblur whenever they release the F-4E
@beverlychmelik5504
@beverlychmelik5504 9 ай бұрын
I hear that the AF has some in storage at Da Nang. I also hear that the weapons storage officer likes Johnny Walker.
@russellpoland6637
@russellpoland6637 9 ай бұрын
I AM LOVING THIS!!!! Thank You so much for sharing this! I love the F-4 Phantom in all of it's variants! Thank You, Thank You, THANK YOU!!
@SilverbladeDagger
@SilverbladeDagger 9 ай бұрын
Operation Bolo is one of my favorite air combat operations of Vietnam. Col. Robin Olds was a badass chad, who was a triple ace and a WWII pilot that wanted to go to Korea, but was turned down and later got to go to Vietnam. The doctrine of the time was that missiles would do all the work, so you'd never have to get close enough to use guns, but that was proven to be false by Olds. The ruse by Olds for Operation Bolo was genius. You really should bring it up in depth in one of your future videos, because it proved to change the doctrine and keep it in place to this day, despite combat being BVR nowadays.
@sthral
@sthral 9 ай бұрын
Just had an energy management/advantage masterclass, thanks man
@skyhorseprice6591
@skyhorseprice6591 9 ай бұрын
So I've heard that the F4E, the Phantom variant that Heatblur is currently working on, which _will_ be the official DCS Phantom, had Leading Edge Retractable Extensions & a nose mounted gun. The leading edge flaps made the previously doggy Phantom into a pretty good turn fighter. And the gun of course gave F4 drivers their confidence back in close range dogfights. What I hope is that Heatblur models the F4E with the gun and the enhanced agility. Would be a shame to get the F4E without the stuff that made it such an improvement.
@madaxe606
@madaxe606 9 ай бұрын
Love the Vietnam-era stuff. As a suggestion, use the AIM-9B and R-3S for maximum fidelity to that era. Hopefully the HB Phantom will offer an AIM-9D/G/J option.
@NobilityandLoyalty
@NobilityandLoyalty 8 ай бұрын
Glad to see the Phantom on here. You fly it the way it was designed by using its superior ability to climb . After teaching our guys how to dogfight., It's kill ratio soared due to Top Gun. Memories of my misguided youth. 😂
@chrisdouglas4427
@chrisdouglas4427 9 ай бұрын
There is a great book about Robin Olds, the guy who came up with operation Bolo called "Fighter Pilot". F-4 at this time was made to do what the MIG-21 was made to do, fly high, fast, shoot missiles at bombers. Not turn and burn, but the USAF, Navy and USMC made it work. I could just imagine the frustration. Also youtube has great show Dogfights about the F-4s in Vietnam.
@stunninglynormal1261
@stunninglynormal1261 9 ай бұрын
They called the Sparrow "The great white hope." They'd always fire 2 at a time in the hope that at least one would work and maybe scare the opposing pilot. 😂
@tarnlicht3657
@tarnlicht3657 9 ай бұрын
Videos with toxic are a pleasure two watch! That guy have some mad moves
@jesuschrist-alphaomega
@jesuschrist-alphaomega 9 ай бұрын
Love the F4. Had the opportunity to work on them in the Corp. 82 to 89. VMFA 112/HMH 777.
@charlescomly1
@charlescomly1 9 ай бұрын
Man I've been looking forward to seeing some F4 action over Vietnam, thanks to you and Toxic for making it happen.
@Klerm
@Klerm 9 ай бұрын
Always a great video bro!
@peterweller8583
@peterweller8583 9 ай бұрын
Nicely done Robin would be proud.
@TNGolfin
@TNGolfin 9 ай бұрын
Great video as always!!
@CajunMarine33445
@CajunMarine33445 9 ай бұрын
Love seeing the classic F-4 and Mig-21 Dogfight
@Firesword534
@Firesword534 9 ай бұрын
Maybe an idea for the Mini-Doc channel, why the US felt that the in close dogfight was a thing of the past after Korea and thus in Vietnam sent F-4's in without a gun.
@macgyver186
@macgyver186 9 ай бұрын
When the F-4 starts to shudder it sounds like an old typewriter.
@ArcaneActual
@ArcaneActual 9 ай бұрын
Would like to see a F4 vs F5! I think that would be interesting
@foxtrot789
@foxtrot789 9 ай бұрын
Would love to see a mission where you take off from a carrier...
@Universal_exports87
@Universal_exports87 5 ай бұрын
That heat blur version is Gonna be the new Tomcat easily. Keep these coming until then Sir.
@DocWatsonHistory
@DocWatsonHistory 9 ай бұрын
Great video, N Viet MiG-21s didn't have flares so you had a challenge here! Thanks! - Doc
@Stinger522
@Stinger522 9 ай бұрын
Two rounds, two wins, congrats. I'm still waiting for the Phantom vs. Viper fight.
@zzodr
@zzodr 9 ай бұрын
7:43 Toxic holding on to that bucking bronco MIG that is on the verge of departing. Yeaaahh
@01Z06guy
@01Z06guy 9 ай бұрын
Scat XXVII, the actual F4 Robin Olds shot down Migs with in Bolo is on display at the Nation Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH. One of many, many historic aircraft there.
@kimchi2780
@kimchi2780 9 ай бұрын
Love seeing Ole Smokey in action!
@MattWaller04
@MattWaller04 9 ай бұрын
Toxic is one of the better opponents you fly against. Really talented pilot.
@kertaspaper94
@kertaspaper94 9 ай бұрын
I can hear the History Channel's Dogfights incoming missile sound effect in my head
@CristiNeagu
@CristiNeagu 9 ай бұрын
The MiG-21 looks like a jet engine with wings attached.
@goranstevanovic4724
@goranstevanovic4724 9 ай бұрын
And F-104 is there to keep it company :-)!
@knightonwarbeck1969
@knightonwarbeck1969 9 ай бұрын
Colonel Robin Olds said to never fight the MIG-21 above 15,000ft (horizontal fight). Above 15,000 ft the MIG-21 had a definitive turn advantage (delta wing). He and other F-4 pilots (TOP GUN) learned the MIG-21 has control issues above 595 kts at low level, whereas the F-4 flies perfect fine at M1.2 (794kts) @ 100ft. When the boys at TOP GUN tested the MIG-21, they discovered when a hard turn (break turn) was initiated, the MIG-21 had a deceleration of -3.5 Gs or in layman's words, it bled all the speed in country. When the Indian Air Force upgraded their 21s with a MIG-29 engine/canopy/R-73, their MIG-21s could scissor with an F-16, 60 degrees nose up from 10,000ft to 20,000ft @110kts. The F-4 was no match for the very slow fight with the 21. Ever see a Romanian MIG-21 demo? Loop after loop after loop at very low level. In the F-4, speed really is Life. GS, read "Scream of Eagles". Its the story of how TOP GUN was created and how they learned to fight the MIGs in the F-4. It is, in my opinion, the very best book on how to fly and fight in the F-4.
@rhysgoodman7628
@rhysgoodman7628 7 ай бұрын
Interesting
@BigMoocher
@BigMoocher 9 ай бұрын
id love to see f4 with guns at somepoint, love to see what that looks like
@charlessmith9903
@charlessmith9903 9 ай бұрын
I used to watch the history channel show dogfights. Still do on KZfaq. There was a F-4 pilot that would fire 2 missiles on 1 target so he would get a hit.
@brockmiller574
@brockmiller574 9 ай бұрын
I'd be curious to see a series of different American made fighters and interceptors v the Vietnamese Mig 17, 19, and 21. The F4 is the biggie, but the F5, F8, and A4 come to mind. I know the A4 was not intended in that role, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't there an A4 Mig kill with an unguided rocket?
@KillerKev1961
@KillerKev1961 9 ай бұрын
Yes, I believe it was a Zuni
@ELITE-xn3sh
@ELITE-xn3sh 9 ай бұрын
@@KillerKev1961 a phantom had scored that zuni kill if i remember correctly? Let me know!
@doc7000
@doc7000 9 ай бұрын
I want to say that the F-100D also have a few kills as well as the F-105 and don't forget the F-101.
@minera7595
@minera7595 9 ай бұрын
I think he did F-5 VS MiG-21 a long time ago, but agree, would be so cool to see F-8 Crusader and F-100 Super Sabre get some actions!
@KeshikS2C
@KeshikS2C 9 ай бұрын
Also some A6 Intruder and A7 Corsair would be cool.
@MartyCantrell
@MartyCantrell 3 ай бұрын
The F-4 you are flying, I had a model of it way back when I was a child. I miss that. lol I am old now...BTW, My favorite Fighter ever, the Phabulous Phantom!
@freddyd1783
@freddyd1783 9 ай бұрын
The world's greatest distributor of Mig parts :)
@ano-bh4wl
@ano-bh4wl 8 ай бұрын
I am Vietnamese and know well about the bolo campaign. We suffered a major defeat in that battle. Later we had to research very carefully before flying back into the sky
@ThomasJensen-wr3om
@ThomasJensen-wr3om 28 күн бұрын
Remember for tea. .a cork floating in water is okay... With a candle ..a cork floating drinking alcohol with a candle would burn up the candle sooner. So there are so many things in the modern world you forget how to drink coffee or tea 6:46
@barbarossa1234
@barbarossa1234 9 ай бұрын
I love the old skool dogfights.
@DonzeJ
@DonzeJ 7 ай бұрын
Operation BOLO being devastating is an understatement. Plenty of North Vietnamese pilots have attested to the fact that they never really recovered from its impact. Robin Olds is an Air Force legend. I really hop HEATBLUR incorporates him.
@urviechalex9963
@urviechalex9963 9 ай бұрын
Wouldn´t it be more interesting to fly the inferior craft? How would you go about in that Fishbed?
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
Even I get tired of always flying the inferior aircraft and also if u were to use the mig21 u would simply refuse to dogfight and do hit and run.
@KillerKev1961
@KillerKev1961 9 ай бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Yes, the MiG-21 pilots almost always employed the hit and run vs the F-4. The strange thing about the North Vietnamese was that they only listened to GCA. Gee those early 'Winders sucked!!!!!
@miguellogistics984
@miguellogistics984 9 ай бұрын
That second kill was beautiful. Almost like you could have handed him the missile.
@drewtooker4243
@drewtooker4243 9 ай бұрын
Special request, fire a fox 2 as you’re entering the merge next video. It would be interesting to see if an opponent would expect or be able to dodge it
@geonerd
@geonerd 9 ай бұрын
Please try the F-104 again, using the same vertical / energy approach seen here. Keep it around M 0.9 (M 0.7 with flaps) and engage with climbing / spiraling tactics. You'll lose wing area vs. the F4, but will gain acceleration/climbing performance and .... a precious GUN! I think you'd do well vs the Mig 21.
@ShovelMonkey
@ShovelMonkey 9 ай бұрын
I'm always up for some F-104 action!
@StrelitziaLiveries
@StrelitziaLiveries 9 ай бұрын
To be fair the reason why the f4s werent given guns is thst they were also supposed to be point interceptors. And the inclusion of the gun didn't really change the outcome much but it was the topgun program which taught the pilots how to best use the missiles that really made a difference
@ToreDL87
@ToreDL87 9 ай бұрын
Yeah the few that got gunkills were happy they had the gun, but really it was knowing to use what they had, which up until that point was simply expressly forbidden.
@Sentenal
@Sentenal 9 ай бұрын
Makes you want to open the canopy and fire your side arms at him
@ThomasJensen-wr3om
@ThomasJensen-wr3om 28 күн бұрын
It now apply space to the furniture out in the sun a cloudy day .all hinges removed from the furniture.
@blessthismessss
@blessthismessss 9 ай бұрын
Historical matchups such as this are why I really hope Heatblur models some of the older weaponry & equipment the Phantoms carried. Imagine how much harder (and interesting) this would be if your all-aspect AIM-9Ps were instead caged, rear-aspect AIM-9Ds or even AIM-9Bs? THAT is what those early Phantom pilots over Vietnam experienced, must have been rough in a life or death situation.
@KeshikS2C
@KeshikS2C 9 ай бұрын
Love to see some A6 Intruder in there.
@timandshannon03
@timandshannon03 9 ай бұрын
Toxic is a hell of a pilot! Good stuff in that Mig!
@klei7263
@klei7263 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. I'd love to see you fly the Mig-21, to see the contrast.
@GaionSputro
@GaionSputro Күн бұрын
This channel only on U.s.a side
@awger90210
@awger90210 9 ай бұрын
Great vids ... luv me some Double Ugly. Seems like the AIM-9s are working well for you ... maybe a little too well ... ?
@HJEvan
@HJEvan 9 ай бұрын
Good episode. Thumbs up.
@Rufus6540
@Rufus6540 9 ай бұрын
Col. Olds was the dude both for coming up with the plan for Bolo and executing it.
@aaronliddell4280
@aaronliddell4280 9 ай бұрын
F-4 sounds like a typewriter when you’re pulling hard G’s lol
@xrpbluemarvel2566
@xrpbluemarvel2566 9 ай бұрын
I been waiting a long time for the f4
@JoeKier7
@JoeKier7 9 ай бұрын
Given all his assists, does Toxic have a KZfaq or Twitch channel we could be watching?
@hkguitar1984
@hkguitar1984 9 ай бұрын
Ditto
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
No sorry anyone who has a KZfaq channel I would promote. If I’m not promoting one in the video it’s because they don’t have one.
@hkguitar1984
@hkguitar1984 9 ай бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Clarification Appreciated, Thank You
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder 9 ай бұрын
my pleasure.
@RipperYou
@RipperYou 9 ай бұрын
Awesome vidoe, really enjoyable to watch hard work ACM rewarded with a kill👍🏻
@manfredalbrechtfreiherrvon4042
@manfredalbrechtfreiherrvon4042 9 ай бұрын
My great uncle flew f-4s in Vietnam has some great stories about it.
@smudgekenobi7126
@smudgekenobi7126 28 күн бұрын
Sure makes you feel grateful now
@kamingleung3792
@kamingleung3792 6 ай бұрын
well, ask the f15 pilot who tried to launch sparrows to a mig25. Damn missiles just stucked. GG sparrows
@chodemasterfingerblaster69420
@chodemasterfingerblaster69420 9 ай бұрын
Yes please more Phantom II Vs Mig's
@R4p70r26
@R4p70r26 9 ай бұрын
i smell you wanted revenge from the other video lol
@luizmeier
@luizmeier 9 ай бұрын
Excellent scene shot here 5:55
@ThomasSchick
@ThomasSchick 9 ай бұрын
5:03…that fishbed sleeping with fishes Yo!
@chrissinclair8705
@chrissinclair8705 9 ай бұрын
Those MiG-21 pilot was boo koo dinky dow!
@TheMFJxcob
@TheMFJxcob 9 ай бұрын
Love the videos keep up the great work
@user-so5ng2ue5h
@user-so5ng2ue5h 9 ай бұрын
I love your content and I watch all your videos. I do have request. A long time ago, when I was a kid, I read a book written by a P-47 pilot, namely the Razorback variant. He mentioned a tactic that I have never seen anyone on DCS attempt, and I wonder if it is really a thing or just a big fish story. He said that the German pilots, understanding that a P-47 couldn't turn with them, would immediately turn when they saw a P-47 approaching their six thus trying to force a two circle as you call it. The P-47 pilots, on seeing this, would dive away and extend since they knew it was a death sentence to try and turn with them, or so he said in the book. This pilot came up with a novel idea that he used instead which he claimed allowed him to score damages and even a kill or two. What he said he did was when he saw the German fighter turn, he wouldn't turn with them, and instead rolled inside their turn taking what you call a high aspect shot. He would then simply dive and extend away if he missed because Germain fighters couldn't dive as fast as the P-47. He didn't say what kind of roll he used, but I assume he used a barrel roll. Is this a tactic that could actually work, or a literary embellishment? I would love to see you try it and or even hear your thoughts.
@ThomasJensen-wr3om
@ThomasJensen-wr3om 28 күн бұрын
You son gets zapped his computer now magnetized .
@RDC2003
@RDC2003 9 ай бұрын
Love the phantom but my favorite jet is the good ole f14
@jkujda
@jkujda 9 ай бұрын
Col Robin Olds book, Fighter Pilot: The Memoirs of Legendary Ace Robin Olds! Highly recommended Thanks for another great video Also, I’m an airline pilot and I see the “I’m a cat person” shirt everywhere! Yesterday it was spotted at Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky OH
@lt.lasereyez8891
@lt.lasereyez8891 9 ай бұрын
Those early Aim9's would sometimes lock on to hot patches of jungle or even the sun
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