LittleJimmy835 i wasn't understanding the therefore/but concept until I read your commentary, I thank you for your contribution

LittleJimmy835 Hey Jimmy, any chance we get a video-essay-reaction to Neill Blomkamp's helming of Alien 5?

***** Oh come on. I don't know what world you live in Dan, but in my world humans are fallible lumps of squishy stuff that make constant strings of poor choices punctuated by the odd bright moment. If people made the right choice then bars wouldn't put out pretzels and complementary peanuts. Sure beer doesn't hydrate you, but damn it tastes good when you are thirsty.

***** Uh... I honestly didn't know that. And people are not computers, they easily do things like that.

***** never had a beer, but say a simple person is stupid for drinking beer if he's thirsty? you seem to be out of touch with reality, not a good thing for writing scripts.

Fancy seeing you here. Personally, I like the style of your videos as they are. They're very personable.

No worries. He just made me re-think the structure of my next video too. :)

Digibro I love your content! Maybe the next level stuff would be using anime clips with dialogue to replace your voice in certain parts like Tony has?

Oh, hi digi, i like seeing your comments on videos i like. Other youtubers could(and should) learn from this!

Is it me or is Digi the closest thing to Every Frame a Painting there is when it comes specifically to anime?

I felt bad that nobody replied to you, so... Hi.

DSLRguide - I bet you do it already, you just don't notice. Humans subsist on stories, we make stories out of everything, even our own lives!

So I was assigned a college course called Professional Presentation and without knowing much, I immediately knew where I would base it on: the Google I/O event that introduced Material Design. Their presentation was well-structured but it wasn't the end all be all of my search for how to approach the subject. That actually led me to Steve Jobs keynote introducing the world to the very first iPhone (I'm not a fanboy; I don't even own an Apple product). That also led me to Carmine Gallo's book about how to make good presentations the way Steve Jobs does it. This also led me to look into The Presentation Zen book by Garr Reynolds. What's so good about these discoveries was both books intertwine with each other. So instead of struggling to pair both resources, they actually just gel pretty well. And one thing they have in common was that central to any good presentation is the idea of storytelling. So while teaching such course, I also learned how to approach a presentation to make it more interesting to students (I hope I made it interesting to them). I've been applying the techniques for a while now and I've enjoyed the whole creation process of turning a textbook/internet article topic into something more appealing. Because of the pandemic, and the lack of Internet speeds here, I wound up producing educational videos that my students can access anytime they have internet access (it seemed more favorable to them rather than doing live online sessions all the time). I still try to structure my lessons in that manner; it's not perfect but the awareness of the structure is there. This parallel structure is not new to me but it's never been pointed out this perfectly before. And I will also look into this when making films, educational videos, and even lectures.

sorry to be offtopic but does anyone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account? I somehow lost the account password. I love any tips you can offer me!

@@kaleldarian8406 I'm no IG user but if it's connected to an email, aren't you able to just do a "Forgot the Password" option and have your connected email be verified so that you can be allowed to change your password?

In case you never found out, the first song on this video is "Very Special" off Duke Ellington's Money Jungle with Max Roach and Charles Mingus, an album worth checking out.

Also in case you never found out, they (yes, they; despite the intro Tony doesn't make these videos by himself) did continue to put out content, just on their own website/thing. I CBA to remember the details, check their channel profile for more info.

aged like wine

Did you kinda predict the future, my friend?

That's pretty much what I was thinking, I'll remember that about writing too since that's the area I'm seeking improvement in.

in any way to tell a story

Ostsol Yeah, the books I can't put down always have a Meanwhile Back at the Ranch thing going on.

+Ostsol yes, but saying that it also applies to good essays is great.But sure, since it takes you back to the very basics of narration, it really makes you think about any story you could be writing. I know it works for me...

One of the interesting things about The Lord of the Rings (the novel) is how long it holds one strand of the story before switching to another.

Man I think you jinxed us

rip

@@joomface The EFAP duo hasn't stopped; they've just moved elsewhere.

Scott Kaptur I will never comprehend how they got from "I bought these pubes from Scott Tenorman" to "Oh yes Scott, your tears. Let me lick them from your face." I remember just rewatching that episode over and over in college like, this is diabolical.

Every Frame a Painting And that's why South parks one of the few good Adult cartoons still running.

Every Frame a Painting South Park and early Simpsons managed to perfect the TV transition from Act 1 to 2 so well. You've only got around 22 minutes but they can jump ahead with the most ridiculous story-lines but as long as they nail that 30 second turn-around then the audience is on board.

i don't think so. the entire thing sounds boring as fark.

caco ko That is because the character's motivations are not fleshed out. Lets try again: Gary wanted glory. Therefore, he joined the armed forces, because he thought that they would have him fight in a key battle and win great prestige, assuming that he survived. But they stationed him in Antarctica. Therefore, Gary thought that he would never get glory. But he would still get a decent pension if he stayed in the armed forces. Therefore, he decided to tough it out, because he wanted financial security more than glory. But, unknown enemy forces attacked his post. Therefore, he probably won't live long enough to get his pension. Meanwhile, back in the U.S., Gary's brother David went to work on Wall street, because he wanted money and power. But David had an existential crisis because he also wanted to make a meaningful contribution to the world, which he could not do in the world of corporate finance. Therefore, David ran for Mayor of New York, because being a politician would allow him to have money and power and still make a meaningful contribution to the world. But the only person willing to back David's campaign was a shady businessman with mob connections. Therefore, David had to decide if he could still make a meaningful contribution to the world and take dirty money at the same time. Meanwhile, back in Antarctica, Gary decided to fight the enemy rather than flee, because he feared disgrace more than he feared death. Is that better?

Gregory Bogosian a little bit

Why would Steven need to pay rent if he owns the ranch?

+ChrisC Steven and his wife are divorced. She got the ranch in the settlement.

messianicrogue I have heard it called (variously), the hook, the throw, the flowing transition, and "this fucking thing, do I have to spell it out for you, Tony?" I think Matt & Trey's wording of "therefore/but" is probably the simplest and best.

just watch the movie after you finished the documentary :D

+messianicrogue Just start over in your next project. We never finish anything if we start over whenever we learn new things while making something.. (I'm saying this, because I've started over several novels and never finished any of them, lol)

messianicrogue I think you can find the film on youtube. I watched it here couple of years ago

Is the documentary out yet brotha?

Flynn Gumshoe flashback?

Claire Savage I mean, what he's talking about is a basic integral component of storytelling. At its core, it doesn't require flashbacks, which are a stylistic choice. I'm talking about something that applies broadly across the board

Flynn Gumshoe I don't think there's anything in filmmaking that applies across the board. Some stories are literally just an A plot with no B or C. A great example is Gravity. The studio executives wanted Mission Control to be a love interest so that they could cut to something besides Sandra Bullock. Cuaron said no. It's actually much harder to do this way, because now they have to be tight about "therefore/but." Honestly, if you've only got one storyline and you want this to be a narrative short, I'd tell you to focus on "therefore/but." Write out a version and have somebody read it. If they start to get bored halfway, then you're probably doing some "and then" writing. If you're doing something experimental or purely poetic, you should absolutely not listen to me and instead watch Tarkovsky on a loop and pray you figure it out. I still haven't.

Every Frame a Painting Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me. I guess I am thinking about it too hard in terms of absolutes.

***** I'd like to dissect those movies and figure out why they work so well without Back at the Ranch

It was probably Nazis

quorkquork jewish communist-nazis

Nihilists

KriechenderHouden jewish homophobic communist-nazis from Canada.

Arsene Murzatov Not from Canada :o

Olyphantastic I was aiming for an average of one video per three weeks but some of those gaps are really long. Also some essays are 3 minutes, some are 9, but hopefully it evens out.

Olyphantastic dude what happened to you? it's been 8 months since you published another video essay :(

Can it be saved in the edit?

Treblaine​​ in the extended cut you mean? They tried, all that accomplished is a long-bloated quagmire of a movie

King Wizard ♔ Maybe using footage from extended cut... but probably they just need to learn to hire better writers and directors from the start.

Well, movies ARE made in the editing room, so a fan edit could fix it with all the footage that's available, it's just a matter of moving things around.

Very true. Star Wars after all was pretty much saved through editing.

reallybeenfar stanley kubrick need a whole movie not a 10 minutes video

Sᴇᴛᴜᴘ.ᴇxᴇ ­ Just analyzing his style and techniques would take at least about 10 - 15 minutes though

***** Yeah but it would be cool if this guy made a video about him because these videos are really informative and fun to watch.

***** Well that would have been useful information to know before I posted my original comment. It was meant more as a suggestion than a request though

reallybeenfar Rule #1 of Every Frame a Painting: Tony doesn't take requests!!!

yes BUT you can apply this method to ideas TEREFORE you don't need to have a clear narrative to take advantage of this. MEANWHILE BACKT AT THE RANCH, my mind is blown by this video.

TRIG (Ireland) I wonder if you got down to it, you might very well find structure - or a set of mini-narrations, mini-stories of joy, tragedy, cooperation, competition, with the common emotive connection of curiosity + awe. We are finding out this: a detective story perhaps in part? In short, I do think every interesting thing has some sort of narrative structure.

@@blixten2928 You're right, I suppose, that even without a clear overall story, a documentary maker can still use narrative structure. In fact, a wildlife filmmaker probably has to think about this sort of thing more consciously.

@@qwertyTRiG Yes, and I see that you wrote "clear" narrative structure. It would actually be fun to decode Attenborough's way of using narrative devices in such an un-obvious ways. A challenge!

@@blixten2928 And Attenborough is certainly worthy of analysis!

i gotchu www.mtvu.com/shows/stand-in/trey-parker-matt-stone-surprise-nyu-class/

Oh I really wanted to watch this but it doesn't seem to be available from where I am. Mirror?

Andy Campbell if you're using chrome of firefox you can get hola which will mask you ip

Which version have you watched? If you've watched more than one, which do you prefer?

***** I hope you mention it just as a fact not as an excuse. I mean it's his duty to tell a story in a way that "holds you" and keeps you entrainted during the "journey". I don't have problem with the "following the character" thing,ineed I kinda love it.For example I loved Taxi driver not only because is visually beautiful but also cause it tells you the story in way that it keeps you interested and curious during the whole movie. On the other hand I felt almost nothing about the movies I mention above . ( Sorry for bad English )

+Dhm dim story telling it's overrated, actualy, i think the worst part about nowadays art its the focus on storytelling.

sensaiko May you please elaborate as to why? Not being irate here, I'm legitimately interested in learning your point of view.

​@@sensaikoStorytelling is everything though.

BryceT Or if it's an essay film or a documentary.

+Every Frame a Painting What do you think of Xavier: Renegade Angel which does this to an extreme? Every episode has a dreamlike quality that every scene requires an explanation of the previous scene going back to the beginning. I love your work, thank you for sharing!

Mads Louis Zilstorff Not really. The perks on Patreon are downloadable videos and annotated videos. The annotations are basically written commentary tracks that add more information and references and making-of stuff. Pretty much every video I make, I try to upload on here for everyone to see.

Every Frame a Painting Allright mate thanks, i'll definitely contribute. please keep up the good work :)

Mads Louis Zilstorff Yeah of course. Thank you for the support.

Every Frame a Painting I come to your channel, and then I watch a video, and then I watch another, and then I watch them all, and then I wait for more, and then I watch the new ones, therefor I like your butt.

funny

As with any narrative device, they're all tools to progress the story. Room doesn't follow Meanwhile, back at the ranch at all, and its plot is very well constructed and executed (maybe a little bit predictable, but still extremely well executed). Young Frankenstein has a bunch of "And then!" moments, as do most of Mel Brooks's movies, but it's hysterical and it works for the narrative of that movie. Also something to consider is that "therefore" can replace "and then" if what follows is a logical conclusion. "And then" pretty much refers to a plot where a thing starts, climaxes, and is concluded, AND THEN a new thing unrelated to the original thing happens. Like if you take each episode of a sit com like Scrubs, or any TV show without a continuous plot and edit them into one movie, it's a terrible narrative because the ends and beginnings of episodes are not connected. They are true And Then moments as opposed to Therefore moments.