In general, Gasly Tsunoda Stroll are the 3 fastest downshifters and Alfa Romeo's two drivers are the slowest, among current drivers of cause. F1 Onboard Telemetry
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@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
In general, among current drivers Gasly Tsunoda Stroll are the 3 fastest downshifters and Alfa Romeo's two drivers are the slowest. In T3, Gasly downshifts and then turns the wheel. Kimi downshifts while turning. From braking to 2nd gear, Gasly spends 1.25s while Kimi spends 2s, a 0.75s deficit. Interestingly, they have exactly the same deficit in T4. Among current drivers, Stroll is the fastest in terms of from braking to the first downshift. His onboard of braking always sounds like he brakes and downshifts at the same time. His teammate Vettel on the other hand downshifts a lot slower, even though they're driving the same car (well, almost the same). This is of cause all down to the cars' characteristic and the drivers' preference with the latter taking the determining role. Track condition and regulation changes as well, if viewed from a broader perspective. These comparisons are purely based on visual analysis of the audio waveform and frequency spectrum. There're inevitably some tiny inaccuraries but they can be ignored because the idea of this video is not to measure brake or downshift point to 0.01s, but to give a general image. BTW, on this particular case, TV footage telemetry is actually not a reliable source for analysis due to the 10fps low refresh rate, but this is the best we can get as normal F1 audience, unless of cause you have access to teams' telemetry which has a hell lot higher frequency, which can be seen in one of my earlier vids: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9CXlJlqppebhn0.html
@marcush.19012 жыл бұрын
It is certainly interesting how different drivers handle downshift proceedures in cornering approach . But as I see it you judge your shiftactivity by when the gear is engaged not by when the driver requests the gearchange ! The gear will only engage after the car has decelerated enough to prevent the car dragging the wheels due to car speed too high for the chosen gear. To me your analysis just highlights very different driving techniques displayed b the drivers : Kimi , Seb, Tonio carry a lot more speed deeper into the corner thus the belated engagement of 2nd gear to avoid a kickback when engaging 2nd at too high a vehicle speed. The interesting bit would therefore be to see a vehicle speed overlay + time and you would seebhow different these guys make laptime.They use different lines on entry , travel different distance through zu he corner , have different aex speeds and different steering angles at almost any point of the corner. The implied conclusion you discovered downshift talent or downshift skilllevels could not be further from reality . Its just those "quick shifters "follow a very traditional discrete braking /downshift /cornering technique with lower entry speeds whereas Kimi ,Seb etc enter the corner at highr speed but actually have a slower apexspeed.
@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
@@marcush.1901 I think you kinda misunderstood it. This video is NOT to draw any conclusion of who has better downshifting talent or skills. As I pointed out in pinned comment, drivers style plays the key role in this, but I'm not comparing who has a better style. This video is simply for what the title says: fastest downshifts compared to slowest. Downshift fast doesn't necessarily cornering faster, downshift slow doesn't necessiarly mean cornering slow. Yes I judge the shifting point by its engaging sound, but it's accurate enough unless you care about the millisecond difference between drivers request and ECU's engaging.
@marcush.19012 жыл бұрын
@@yelistener again , the gear can be requested , but the gearbox will only selectvthe gear if the speed of the car does allow it to be engaged . So this has no (!) Indication who is demanding earlier downshifts its a function of vehicle speed diminishing. And your wording does in fact imply you are making a judgdment , as you draw paralells between t4 times and downshift speeds in your text. And this is what I objected to.
@juzh12382 жыл бұрын
@@marcush.1901 what a load of nonsensical gibberish
@ALPHABYTE19942 жыл бұрын
@@juzh1238 lol you idiot, it is like this, modern semiautomatic gearbox will not allow you to downshift too early
@ricardoauerbach40922 жыл бұрын
“Downshifting is more like a hobby for me. So, obviously, I don’t need to do it if I don’t want.” -Most recent Ferrari World Champion
@abwk65372 жыл бұрын
most recent. i still dont know how thats possible man
@thalapeng2 жыл бұрын
@@abwk6537 red car bad
@aoyuki14092 жыл бұрын
@@abwk6537 the currently most recent Ferrari F1 World Champion is the 2007 Championship winner, Kimi Raikkonen edit: the joke is that Kimi said that line
@cianmellerick1772 жыл бұрын
@@aoyuki1409 crazy bro, kinda think he got the joke before you had to specify 🤯
@abwk65372 жыл бұрын
@@cianmellerick177 yh i did. lol but anyway
@mursuka802 жыл бұрын
Kimi has PTSD for all those Merc engines exploding, when he was at Mclaren
@danielssonsgarage2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@catinusz.47412 жыл бұрын
Ah, the 03-05 McLaren, extremely fast, but engine will go on strike any minute.
@yubakadi2172 жыл бұрын
It cost him the world championship in 2005
@FLMKane2 жыл бұрын
@@yubakadi217 and also 03 And according to Kimi 06 was a good car with a shit engine. Considering that 07 was just an evolution, the 06 car with a nice engine might also have been at the front
@Dr_Guts2 жыл бұрын
Still feel heartbroken when i remember 03 and 05 seasons. Kimi was the best on the grid but that derm merc
@enner-racing2 жыл бұрын
legend kimi . just needs one gearbox per season
@lordmahaveer63072 жыл бұрын
What he needs are the gloves & steering wheel!
@bestopinion92572 жыл бұрын
@@lordmahaveer6307 Yeah, he is crazy without gloves and steering wheel. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adyqotaizayveYE.html
@MurihSantos2 жыл бұрын
@@lordmahaveer6307 and the drink, but it is not always on
@lordmahaveer63072 жыл бұрын
@@MurihSantos copy, slow button on
@ddetorrice32 жыл бұрын
@@lordmahaveer6307 we are checking
@ariefhf Жыл бұрын
Kimi's downshift is every gearbox engineer dreams
@JohnKickboxing9 ай бұрын
Nope, he just loves understeering turning with mild engine brake on the rear tires, as this is the help of making slow downshifting. Making fast downshifting does not damage gearbox.
@JohnKickboxing9 ай бұрын
Fast downshifting helps in rotating with aggressive engine brake, oversteer.
@M20AFKS8 ай бұрын
but exit in q1
@yslrx4 ай бұрын
Does downshifting slower help with gearbox health and longevity?
@davidaugustofc25744 ай бұрын
@@yslrx it makes the engine rev less, so less engine wear, I guess it's less wear on the gearbox by consequence. But unless the gearbox is really sensitive, the majority of the difference is on the laptime. As we can tell, one drive was clearly faster throughout his career
@Agingisachoice2 жыл бұрын
kimi, has the smoothest transition, also almost seems hes not scared to downshift slower as if he feels the car better...
@aisu84812 жыл бұрын
Looks like it induces more understeer as well, less engine braking on turn-in. Interesting style
@Agingisachoice2 жыл бұрын
@@aisu8481 yaaaaas def you can compare to stroll. As he wiggles and struggles out of the corner since he downshifted soooo fast. Kimi fenced it! Let’s the engine sort of catch up better.
@aisu84812 жыл бұрын
@@Agingisachoice yep, from this alone you can see why teams struggle to please both drivers, and why big regulation changes like the engine layouts can bury one driver and see another rise. You might be able to please a driver’s style, but make the car slower in the process - tough to fully adapt when someone else possesses the style naturally. So many parameters to this sport
@auwz662 жыл бұрын
This is old school F1 driving for you, it was not uncommon 10 years ago to leave the final down shift right into the apex the cars just went faster that way. Its interesting though that GIO also has the same style so either the car does like that or Kimi has been coaching him,
@MrBluePoochyena2 жыл бұрын
@@auwz66 could also be both too
@janoskovacs952 жыл бұрын
Raikkonen learned this in the V10 era, with fewer gears and engines running at the actual redline. With those cars you do a Gasly stile downshift and you spin out immediately or break the gearbox, cause you are basically moneyshifting.
@PIERS2122 жыл бұрын
Maybe the alpha tauri is that much better on the brakes than the Alfa
@NazriB2 жыл бұрын
Lies again? Take Meds
@unfortunately_fortunate20002 жыл бұрын
Tell that to all those that machine gunned down the gears in the v10 era...
@bobby0breezy2 жыл бұрын
well they're braking while downshifting, so either way they're not moneyshifting..
@mouti89952 жыл бұрын
You don't know that You just try to be cool
@francoishnz2 жыл бұрын
gasly is really aggressive in his driving style, he also likes to send the car into the corner without braking, like in turn 9 in austria or turn 11 in Hungary this year
@adityarahardian24352 жыл бұрын
Isn't he smoother on the wheel though compared to like leclerc, verstappen, hamilton? He doesn't seem to throw the car into the corners as much, his style is more like smoothly turning it in maintaining as much grip and momentum as possible kinda like nico rosberg.
@thisaraperera36782 жыл бұрын
@@Mikeschuurnan what's your point?
@jaydunn28982 жыл бұрын
Explains why he struggled at red bull maybe, car built for max who brakes earlier than most
@xavier45192 жыл бұрын
@@jaydunn2898 it wasn't built for max but he prolly could adapt to it easier since gasly is much more on the edge
@NxDoyle2 жыл бұрын
Unlike many racing classes, downshifting and braking are discrete. In other words, you don't use downshifting as part of your deceleration. All you're doing is setting yourself for the correct gear out of the corner.
@liamcalpine2 жыл бұрын
I am sure it's no coincidence that the two slowest are from Alfa and the fastest from AlphaTauri, probably has to do with the car setup/engine/geabox.
@calexito94482 жыл бұрын
Well, i don't know others but kimi does this in every car he touches
@Alex-us8cs2 жыл бұрын
@@calexito9448 thats because in older cars, it was necessary to downshift slower so u would generate more engine breaking to save more brakes, and gearbox. Kimi is a dinosaur afterall...
@leksasdf2 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-us8cs This is definitely a factor, some of these old habits are also visible in nando's driving style.
@jesseh6212 жыл бұрын
Well I think Kimi has little more understanding of what he's doing than you. Im not 100% sure who knows better, you guys or Kimi.
@dartfield46552 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-us8cs yes, but downshifting slowly decreases the engine brake effect.
@SeaEmpire2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible to see the differences between the Alfas and the Alphas! Clearly Gio has been influenced by the presence of the veteran Kimi who really stays in tune with the car throughout the turn and can therefore squeeze a bit more speed out of it when exiting the turn.
@oceso2 жыл бұрын
or they both drive the same thrown-together racket of a car, and the mechanics say the car will exparode if they ds 2 fast
@gurrrn11022 жыл бұрын
Theres the possibility that the no 2 drivers are picking up downshift styles from the no 1s here, but it seems more likely that the car is the main factor. Would be interesting to see all the drivers throttle profile through corners.
@sull69762 жыл бұрын
The way Kimi nursed that gearbox is just so masterful. What a legend.
@blindgeorged63862 жыл бұрын
I find it crazy how they’re braking at the same point still when it feels like Gasly is using the gears to slow him down also and Kimi is doing it a lot more “sensitively” and reducing gearbox wear.
@cd8522 жыл бұрын
Neither of them are downshifting to deaccelerate, the brakes already did it . They just need to get to the right gear to have maximum traction out of the corner.
@blindgeorged63862 жыл бұрын
@@cd852 are we sure braking and downshifting isn’t quicker than braking alone? I don’t see you stopping if you do all the braking in one gear. It must contribute somewhat. At my last track day I found it easier to slow down, even from a higher speed, when I was shifting from 3rd to 2nd as opposed to doing all the braking in 2nd. Even when I coming up to the same corner slower at a different part of the lap.
@blindgeorged63862 жыл бұрын
But that is probably due to being more committed on the pedal when you’re going quicker. Not saying it’s the same situation at all just to clarify 😂
@cd8522 жыл бұрын
@@blindgeorged6386 you weren't driving a formula one car with elite carbon fibre brakes . Trust me the brakes deaccelerate the car within milliseconds, faster than the driver can downshift.
@cd8522 жыл бұрын
@@blindgeorged6386 in a normal road car, downshifting would contribute. Just not in an F1 car
@leglaff50962 жыл бұрын
Magnussens lap at Austria 2019 was probably the fastest one I've heard
@hppf7682 жыл бұрын
Where can I find it?
@WH22_2 жыл бұрын
@@hppf768 literally look up Magnussen qualifying lap Austria 2019
@nicuiordachianu53942 жыл бұрын
You should see this then kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdCDh9iHp7Tceok.html
The kimi's soft tyres and gearbox are proud of him. All well in good conditions
@szaka93952 жыл бұрын
i cant see a plus of this fast downshifting, you are on a breaks anyway so whats the difference.
@doughboi0072 жыл бұрын
Even with shifting, Kimi is like, "eh."
@Mysohvaperuna2 жыл бұрын
🤔 nah theres no need for changing gears that fast
@ramizkaraeski94212 жыл бұрын
kimi's slow downshifting is also healthier for the engine. thanks to that he doesn't need to switch power units as often.
@berkc062 жыл бұрын
Helal la dayı :)
@GoatedAtNFS2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s necessarily the drivers techniques I think it’s just how the engine is attuned to the downshifts. Red Bull and Alpha Tauri are probably faster and more effective with the faster downshifts as it seems because some other drivers don’t always do it unless there on a different team. Some of the teams engines would probably break with the aggressive downshifts for a whole 3 hour race. Just a comparison to think about.
@Meltyy2 жыл бұрын
they dont race for 3 hours...
@Meltyy2 жыл бұрын
@@cakezeef1271 maximum
@ewan_172 жыл бұрын
@@cakezeef1271 1:30 hour -1:50 hour depending on track safety cars vsc's and red flags
@carmastrikes2 жыл бұрын
The Honda is known to harvest particularly well off-throttle and presumably that effect is only increased by high revs, so it behooves the drivers to shift early and fast to maximize that MGU-H regen
@antrave2 жыл бұрын
engine braking has more to do with it, i feel; in both alphas, they are breaking in a straight line as much as possible, whereas the alfas are rotating their cars while downshifting towards the apexes. I know in sim racing, i adjust the engine breaking for certain types of turns to get more mechanical grip (not sure how relevant this is but eh).
@tommymario46062 жыл бұрын
Early years kimi was actually one of the best shortshifters, I think it has a lot to do with the car
@unfortunately_fortunate20002 жыл бұрын
His mclaren kept exploding short shifting bettered his chances at finishing
@TheManagerDuck2 жыл бұрын
Downshifting is a bit more complicated. It is directly related to engine braking, which is a key to shorter brake distances. The earlier you downshift, the more rpm deceleration engine will have to do for the next downshift, thus increasing braking performance. Sometimes, if you downshift too early the rpm deceleration may be so high, that you lock your rear wheels. Downshift too late and you brake longer and more gradually. Now take a look at Gasly's corner entry line: he goes for a deeper dive, then makes a sharper turn and after that he is able to get to full throttle sooner. Kimi, on the other hand, starts turning in earlier, rolls more speed into the corner, but has to make a more gradual throttle up. So Gasly's style relies on heavier braking and sharper exits, thus faster downshifting. Kimi goes for rolling into corners and that takes more gradual braking approach. None of this is the right/wrong way, just different styles. Or i am completely wrong and overanalysing:)
@manazkajay8806 Жыл бұрын
gasly has more minimum speed tho
@dsdy12059 ай бұрын
At the end of the day the braking distance is purely down to the traction you have. Adding engine braking just takes away from the brake pressure you have to apply. Ordinarily that might be useful toward saving the brakes. But you'd only save the rear brakes, and in modern F1 the rear brakes are already assisted by energy harvesting from the MGU-K anyway, so I don't see a reason to slow shift beyond just nursing the engine.
@MrOtokka2 жыл бұрын
Kimi is super chill even with the downshifts :D
@TheShred1182 жыл бұрын
Maybe, that's why he's not that fast 😬
@thekittulegend2 жыл бұрын
I just realized the reason. I went and saw every driver's onboard quali for Austria and realized it's more of how much engine braking that car is tuned up for. Gasly and Tsunoda are heavily reliant on engine braking compared to Kimi and GIO here. More interesting is between Seb and Stoll. Seb is less reliant on engine braking than Stroll, possibly due to steup differences.
@zvexevz2 жыл бұрын
How can you identify the amount of engine braking? From the sound? Or are you comparing brake pressure or something? Edit: Oh you just mean the ones downshifting faster are using more engine braking? I was confused because there is another type of engine braking with these cars, using the MGU-K.
@thekittulegend2 жыл бұрын
@@zvexevz Yes
@LunnarisLP2 жыл бұрын
well there is always the tradeof of damaging your engine when you use engine breaking too much /downshift too early, thus you push the RPMS up really high, but downshifting certainly plays a major role in any F1 car for breaking
@omkaringale97202 жыл бұрын
Just leave Kimi alone and give him his drink. He knows what he has to do XD
@fanlbc2 жыл бұрын
No. No kimi. No. You will not have the drink
@Blue_Monkey2 жыл бұрын
Kimi still has PTSD from blowing engines ;)
@Terry-qp7nf2 жыл бұрын
When you check the rpm you will notice that Gasly keeps the car running at high rpm throughout the turn. It maximizes the braking capability of the car.
@sntslilhlpr66012 жыл бұрын
Depends on setup doesn't it? There must be a reason why not just one but both Alfa Romeos are the slowest downshifters. Maybe the car doesn't like lots of engine braking, or maybe it has something to do with energy harvesting, idk. I'm no expert, but I know enough to know that these guys know a hell of a lot more about how these cars work than any of us do.
@TheLpd12 жыл бұрын
It's important to remember ta the engine braking doesn't reduce the braking distance. What determines the braking distance is the level of grip of the tires and the brakes are strong enough to keep the tires on that limit of grip. Downshifting more aggressively can help to preserve the brakes though, because the driver can use a little bit less braking pressure as the engine brake compensate for that. How aggressive the driver downshift also determines how quickly the car is able to rotate at corner entry, maybe gasly likes his car to rotate more aggressively while Kimi likes a car more stable at the rear so he downshifts more carefully. Another consequence of downshifting to quickly is that you can increase the wear of the engine because you force it to change its rpm very quickly and also keep a higher average rpm. So as with everything in racing, downshifting quicker or more slowly has its advantages and disadvantages, and the drivers will try to find a sweet spot where you balance the amount of engine braking, car rotation, engine wear among other things and this is why drivers will downshift in different ways from one another
@jwork56802 жыл бұрын
@@TheLpd1 good analysis, although Kimi driving style he loves oversteer
@macklemorganfreeman90852 жыл бұрын
He gets the weight more to the front by doing so
@bojanmilovanovic7472 жыл бұрын
It's not that simple.. Lots of things going on besides shifting.. it depends on diff setup (coast settings, off throttle lock), depends on how much regen every driver is utilizing on braking, for a specific corner (for example, more regen in that corner, sooner to downshiw , to use inertia to load battery).. and many more things... modern f1 is very complex under the hood
@kye31702 жыл бұрын
Exhaust mics just make the video better!
@ALPHABYTE19942 жыл бұрын
Actually this is rubish, sound is so not natural
@mohammed_the_train_spotter2 жыл бұрын
@@ALPHABYTE1994 wow...
@MrAsetgraffiti2 жыл бұрын
Of course not... It's like recording yourself singing having the microphone plugged in your colon
@samulivainionpaa93382 жыл бұрын
@@ALPHABYTE1994 Yeah, they do kind of sound like some sort of generic engine noise effect and some whine
@YouOnlyLiveHans2 жыл бұрын
Good lord Kimi is a smooth driver, downshifting on the apex while having his drink
@Jake-jd7bd2 жыл бұрын
You're looking at the difference between a 25 year old trying to make it to the top, and a 42 year old who's been at the top and just wants to be able to walk away from F1 still in one piece.
@Aleksi7232 жыл бұрын
Your looking at tryhard and chill guy collecting bag and having fun with sport he loves.
@kwl1892 жыл бұрын
Can we just sit back and appreciate that throaty AF downshift by that glorious Honda engine. Good god that is sweet to listen to.
@leksasdf2 жыл бұрын
Definitely the best sounding ones on the grid
@kwl1892 жыл бұрын
@@leksasdf No contest imo. I hated and still hate this era compared to what was before it in general not just specifically for noise. That Honda engine gives me the faintest of hope though.
@geraldfisher64752 жыл бұрын
@@kwl189 Honda is leaving F1 next year tho.
@vxbosskroniksxv62672 жыл бұрын
it shows the old habits of the older drivers as that level of downshifting shown by the newer drivers would have cooked an older transmission with all the engine braking
@vamositalia46002 жыл бұрын
The Honda engine makes it even better:)
@vyke21072 жыл бұрын
absolutely orgasmic just rvprvprvprvp every single downshift
@ronan16862 жыл бұрын
Alpha Tauri use a Ferrari engine I thought?
@anavgeekspassion57272 жыл бұрын
@@ronan1686 That was a long time ago my man 🤣
@Namisincere2 жыл бұрын
@@ronan1686 since 2014 they've only used ferrari engines in 2016, every other season renault and honda
@przemoa.16722 жыл бұрын
And why doesn't Red Bull with a Honda engine sound the same as the Alpha Tauri?
@euandykes Жыл бұрын
I reckon the down shifting is a result of the car rather than the driver. Really interesting analysis. So few focus on this topic.
@santicar10 Жыл бұрын
The only reason I don’t downshift as fast as Gasly is that I’m clicking my paddle on my wheel so rapidly that it doesn’t pick up some of the downshifts lmao
@MrBanshee4204202 жыл бұрын
As a budding audio engineer, this is the coolest analysis of anything F1 related I’ve ever seen.
@robh95772 жыл бұрын
Generally the older drivers treat their equipment more gentle. When a gearbox and engine may not last the whole race you do not abuse it.
@aring49622 жыл бұрын
Gasly qualifying performances have been supreme this season
@GenericZac2 жыл бұрын
Kimi: slowest downshifter, fastest upshifter by short shifting through the gears (he doesn't do it all the time but he does it a lot!).
@callmeshaggy51662 жыл бұрын
Honestly saving the wear might be worth the 0.02s it costs, especially if you're uncompetitive either way.
@ProdiFTW2 жыл бұрын
doesnt cost any time its just different driving style
@bdaubry2 жыл бұрын
@@ProdiFTW Do you get more engine braking from the highest rev ranges? My thinking is, if you have more of a braking effect from 13,000 rpm to 10,000 rpm than you do from 10,000 to 8,000, then it would be beneficial to downshift faster as you would be able to brake later.
@coast2coast002 жыл бұрын
@@bdaubry You get more regen from the MGU with more engine braking. Driving like this could let you take the MGU-H harvesting down a notch.
@ProdiFTW2 жыл бұрын
@@bdaubry You do have more obviously but engine braking is not really a thing in such a race car and in most of the race cars actually. The brakes are so efficient that downshiffting to 2nd or staying in 7th gear during your braking phase would make almost if not 0 difference. about the MGU regen that coast2coast mentioned tho ive no idea but it might be a thing
@Okatogurui2 жыл бұрын
@@ProdiFTW If you're braking a car on the limit and then downshift, you will definitely spin. Engine braking is small compared to actual brakes on most cars, but it's significant enough that you need to adjust your driving style to match your downshifting pattern. Similarly, downshifting mid-corner can lead to a spin.
@davidmccourt61392 жыл бұрын
Hamilton at the start of his career was all about braking in top gear and doing all the downshifting at the last minute. Check out his Spa pole in 2007.
@zariqeezham92102 жыл бұрын
u mean 2017
@davidmccourt61392 жыл бұрын
@@zariqeezham9210 I mean 2008
@Rasmus33772 жыл бұрын
@@davidmccourt6139 " at the start of his career" "-you mean 2017" LULZ
@lastmansleeping54332 жыл бұрын
“No, no I’m downshifting but is it…is the bottle emptying or not?”
@tunod-2 жыл бұрын
Damn the L and R side by side and seperated sound was amazing. Never seen it on any other vid be4
@MoosaMahsoom2 жыл бұрын
I remember Rosberg telling the drivers don't control the speed of the downshifts. They just input how many downshifts they require and the ECU does the correct amount based on the speed set.
@rodton10002 жыл бұрын
That sounds like 90s F1 electronic wizardry
@chrizyzz10082 жыл бұрын
yea you can see with tsunoda at 1:30 he just holds down the paddle instead of single clicks
@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
No, that's aboslutely not true for today's F1. After the standard ECU (2008), regulation only allows One Thing to reject a shift request that's the Over-Rev Protection. Other than that, ECU is required to complete a shifting request immediately. In other words, unless you happen to hit the over-rev protection (which I dont even remember when was the last time thsi happened), the driver is totally in charge of up & down shifting.
@PeRRXX2 жыл бұрын
@@chrizyzz1008 dead wrong, you just can’t see his finger moving
@jer46602 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna miss kimi a lot what a unique character
@NoteSmoking2 жыл бұрын
Actually one of my favorite videos. I would’ve never thought you could pick up so much about someone’s style from their shifting.
@EnglishBloke2 жыл бұрын
Apart from personal preference, one of the main factors will be diff settings. The different settings allow for more or less engine braking without unsettling the rear of the car. A confident/talented driver like Kimi can continue down shifting into the turn and afford to run a more aggressive setup. Whereas others like Gasly want to get all their shifting done before they need to turn so they don’t risk any oversteer.
@vitoryugojsm2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The real beauty is really not rushing from gears into brakes but managing a smooth synchronization between the two while holding the car. Am not sure what ends up being the fastest one though.
@muhammadshofwan53092 жыл бұрын
Kimi saying "he's here because it's his hobby" is no joke. Look how layback kimi downshifting 😂
@FudoNoShita2 жыл бұрын
Mans probably saving his gearbox....and cause he old
@willthigpen21812 жыл бұрын
Also considering both the alfas are the showest shifters, its probably because of the car
@lachie56872 жыл бұрын
@@willthigpen2181 Exactly, it's more to do with driving style and how the car's made (which impacts driving style). More aggressive downshifting is good if your driving style has aggressive braking, but that isn't always faster and depending on the car there's also limitations on how quickly you can downshift. Aggressive braking is usually slower which is counterintuitive to some.
@bestopinion92572 жыл бұрын
@@FudoNoShita It is all about driving style.
@stevesteele33122 жыл бұрын
Fast down shifting at higher revs technically stops the car faster but also disrupts the balance of the car more. Slower down shifting at lower revs is smoother and is a lot better on the car. F1 is a lot more complicated than that though, so don’t mind me.
@ingerasulffs2 жыл бұрын
According to the last graph, Yuki is the fastest downshifter. Would have been interesting to compare with same engine suppliers, since this clearly depends on the engine breaking characteristics. AT to RB and AR to Ferrari.
@GroovedSlick2 жыл бұрын
As others have said this has much more to do with how the engine manufacturer/team set up the engine braking to work with the kers and brake pressure bias than in does driver preference/skill
@dezpotizmOFheaven Жыл бұрын
Gasly: me when I started driving games on PS2 Kimi: me now
@zsb2897_2 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting wth 😂
@patricklampe28402 жыл бұрын
The Alfa romeo must have the ability to rely on the brakes as opposed to engine braking. It's likely no coincidence that the Alpha Tauri drivers vs the Alfa Romeo ones have similar shift styles. Interesting stuff
@RiFLEisFortuna2 жыл бұрын
Damn that's a really great video, thanks man ! I don't know exactly what it means in terms of performance, but this is spot on for the comparison
@guampedia35982 жыл бұрын
This wonderful medley of Honda and Ferrari F1 V6s is the best thing Ive ever heard
@dopppjunior49452 жыл бұрын
Kimi did it so smoothly, better exit acceleration
@BearWinnie2 жыл бұрын
Rosberg has given some very interesting insights on downshifting on his channel. He shows that after a long straight and before steering into slow turn he makes almost instant 8-2 downshift. Why? On every downshift you get slightly disbalanced, so it helps a bit. So I suspect _in general_ fast downshifting is more correct behaviour, brakes overheating should be considered. For each individual case it depends heavily on gearbox/balance/brakes (differential settings probably). I was unable to notice any significant difference in braking point and speed (_before_ the apex, Gasly looks faster on the exit).
@paoloantonio15312 жыл бұрын
Antonio learning that smooth slow downshift from Kimi, hell yes!
@ArumesYT2 жыл бұрын
Downshift speed varies by turn and car setup, because it also affects brake balance (and in return, the ideal downshift rhythm is affected by the selected brake balance). A fast downshift moves brake balance to the rear, a slow downshift moves brake balance to the front. So on its own downshift speed doesn't say anything about the car or the driver. It could simply be that Kimi has his brake balance set more to the rear on that turn, so he needs less engine braking than Gasly.
@1BYEBYE12 жыл бұрын
When you downshift that fast your using the gearbox to slow down the car. So if your fine with replacing it constantly then keep downshift fast.
@A7Xunholyconfesions2 жыл бұрын
Maldonado and Grosjean were the fastest downshiters i think. You can find oboard back from 2014 or 2015 from them, it is quite something.
@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
Magnussen's downshifts were quite fast as well. But this video is to compare current drivers. I think Haas' current 2 drivers also downshift quickly.
@aminely83692 жыл бұрын
@@yelistener What about ALO? I thought he was the fastest on downshifting. Maybe in previous years
@danverss61762 жыл бұрын
@@yelistener can you find the quickest downshift onboard clip in f1?
@gregkasza24472 жыл бұрын
And Fisichella maybe.
@nbain662 жыл бұрын
Maldonado and Grosjean in that 2015 lotus almost hurt me to with how much they revved the engine on those downshifts and upshifts
@constipatedparker58792 жыл бұрын
This is what onboard cameras should sound like live
@saadmulla62832 жыл бұрын
The effort you put in making these videos is really good you are a f1 nerd bro👍🏻
@vanilkharbanda2 жыл бұрын
Two very opposite driving styles. Gasly hard & late on the brakes, early on gas. Kimi carries a lot of speed into the corner and brakes early. This is why he's so good at the twisties of Spa.
@antonraulpen2 жыл бұрын
how does this affect the car? does downshifting faster hurt it or save the gearbox?
@tescopiwo2 жыл бұрын
Downshifting faster consumes more fuel
@parsamousavi52602 жыл бұрын
The most important thing about downshifting speed is the average engine rpm in the braking zone,which correlates directly to the amount of engine braking,and amount of energy harvesting(via MGU-K,not MGU-H) In another words,more rpm while braking=more engine braking=more MGU-K energy harvesting=less brake temperatures.
@nbain662 жыл бұрын
@@parsamousavi5260 but also more gearbox, clutch, and engine wear. Lance in particular downshifting almost immediately is probably hurting his gearbox more
@marcush.19012 жыл бұрын
Downshifts are synched by vehicle electronics , the driver just rows through the gears by triggering the paddle. The speed of shift is a given , the driver can not influence shift speed itself. So basically the driver who has reached his corner entry speed (a driver who finishes braking before starting turn in can shift down as quick as he is able to pull the leaver again and again , this might well be limited by the returnspring rate at the leaver and the distance the leaver has to travel to actually trigger a shift command. If you request a downshift with too much car speed detected by the car ,the shift will be ignored or delayed ( this is a engineering decision). Today all shifting requests need to be driver initiated , a few Ears ago , this was fully automated , the car shifted at predetermed points , the engineers could programme up and downshift sequence , shift points etc perfected according to simulations , this is no longer allowed.
@marcush.19012 жыл бұрын
@@tescopiwo ,why would this be ? the engine is off throttle in downshifts , the car electronics may blip the throttle to synch the revs , I'm not sure if this is even happening with todays gearboxes with quickshift functionality .
@annokiplik83062 жыл бұрын
I think this is because older drivers like Kimi have started so long ago that their cars gearbox was much more unreliable and thus you had to care for it to not have a new one every session. Nowadays the new drivers can downshift almost as fast as they can because the gearbox breaking isn't that big of a problem anymore. Like you can clearly hear the gearbox be in pain when Gasly's clip plays.
@DJSmith575 Жыл бұрын
So many unknown factors. Saving fuel? Saving brakes? Tire temperature management favoring corner exit? Ideal MGU-K torque map? Raikkonen’s approach makes more sense as the turn 3 braking zone is uphill and the exit is downhill.
@motogp46582 жыл бұрын
I think the slow downshift has to do with some gearbox configuration or engine, for example watch Hamilton downshift in 2013 and then compare it with 2021 or 2011, it's way faster
@naiboz2 жыл бұрын
In years gone past, you’d say that was the older experienced guy showing mechanical sympathy to his machinery. Or just trying to control the rear axel more carefully to maintain traction and not u settle the car. I don’t know if any of that still applies in modern F1 with the regen on that axel , I’m sure the computers would control it all now.
@naiboz2 жыл бұрын
@_3scap3_ you’re a grade A idiot if you think for a second computers don’t control anything on an F1 car 😂 what planet are you on, go troll somewhere else
@naiboz2 жыл бұрын
@_3scap3_ so they are computer controlled 😂 thanks dumb ass
@naiboz2 жыл бұрын
@_3scap3_ bye bye thicko 😂
@nik7bkh9652 жыл бұрын
@_3scap3_ compared to 20 years ago, modern F1 cars are truly driving itself. Thats why Hamilton will never be on Schumacher, Senna and Fangio level
@PeRRXX2 жыл бұрын
@@nik7bkh965 these cars don’t at all drive themselves
@samueljayachandran28496 ай бұрын
Surprising considering downshifting quickly and earlier means more front loading and therefore a pointy car. Kimi Raikkonen is famous for wanting a pointy car, Gasly struggled in 2019 in the Red Bull which was pointy. Now I’m wondering if perhaps Gasly’s natural tendency is like this and that’s why an already pointy car was just too much for him. Plus if Raikkonen’s used to a pointy car, you’re best bet is to control that by not trying to lose the rear or even overstress/overheat/overscrub the rear tires.
@thekittulegend2 жыл бұрын
I think it's more to do with the car characteristics. Alfa Romeo is known for instability while braking, which is why both drivers do it.
@struckchipmunk37162 жыл бұрын
Kimi has more mechanical sympathy and uses engine braking more.The result, a smoother less stressful race on the gearbox. There is no need to smash down threw the gears like that.
@shawnpitman8762 жыл бұрын
More engine braking would mean shifting down faster....not slower.
@Amory982 жыл бұрын
@@shawnpitman876 engine braking in the interim of gear downshifts whilst at faster speeds.
@shawnpitman8762 жыл бұрын
@@Amory98 Still nope, engine braking is using the friction of the engine to slow the engine while not applying the throttle. Engine braking is most effective when the engine is at the highest RPMs it can manage, meaning in the lowest gear you can get it into. Keep trying to act like you're smart though.
@colonelsanders74092 жыл бұрын
This is just wrong
@poika222 жыл бұрын
@@shawnpitman876 You're not engine braking while engaging the clutch.
@pertombre2 жыл бұрын
fast downshift hurts gearbox more right?
@azziyt8882 жыл бұрын
My theory is that like with Kimi's short shifting, this is a style left from more unreliable cars
@kimisole29372 жыл бұрын
@@azziyt888 or he just can't downshift that fast
@anggabudi56192 жыл бұрын
@@azziyt888 mclaren 2003? He dnf so much
@anggabudi56192 жыл бұрын
@@kimisole2937 maybe, kimi and vettel become middle age old man, something affect them in that age
@nbain662 жыл бұрын
@@anggabudi5619 Alonso hasn't gotten the memo yet and he's as old as Kimi
@carlosdegracia43352 жыл бұрын
Lift and coast technique indications possibly on Kimi’s situation, for saving fuel, cool down engine o saving battery energy ass well
@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
This is qualifying. They dont lift & coast in qualifying lol
@griffsimulations51662 жыл бұрын
exhaust mics are so satisfying especially the Honda engine's crackle
@wastefellow25692 жыл бұрын
TSU’s the fastest, since he started later than Gasly, finished earlier
@Bartooc2 жыл бұрын
At least he can be best at something, even though it's this useless.
@redictor2 жыл бұрын
eyyy Inside's shockwave sequence in the outro!
@yelistener2 жыл бұрын
I've been using this piece of music for a while but you're the only ony so far that recognized it.
@redictor2 жыл бұрын
@@yelistener first vid i watch of yours, and i've played inside a bunch. helps that the shockwave part is my fav bit and that the music in itself is a nice tune kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6-ZmJiI3tGnm6M.html
@alisinamohammadi76482 жыл бұрын
that Honda sound needs to be my ringtone
@dickhead22852 жыл бұрын
I think its because kimi knows how to keep the motor, drivetrain and wheels connected to the road
@Cheapbuilds8082 жыл бұрын
Always amazes me that the cars sound so similar with different manufacturers
@CarlosSantos-du1po Жыл бұрын
I loved the music at the end. Did you produce it or know who did?
@David.R062 жыл бұрын
I think its kinda smart to downshift slower, because the engine braking helps a bit to slow down
@claudiojunior1332 жыл бұрын
More videos like this. Please! This is very good for analysis.
@rickplatte79722 жыл бұрын
The honda sound so good😍😍
@NormanBoulder2 жыл бұрын
GOOD GOD that Honda F1 engine sounds amazing!
@BunsMcGundy2 жыл бұрын
Sound effect at the end was awesome!
@yannick_2432 жыл бұрын
These downshifting sounds from the Honda engine sounds so good
@bjhbjhbjhweeee Жыл бұрын
Old drivers may remain in the habit of handling natural intake engines. Or maybe it's a feature of Jauber and Ferrari gearboxes.
@kujrsa19 күн бұрын
its also interesting that gio does the same sort of downshifting that kimi does. shows how kimi had influenced him at their time at alfa.
@anuratohazra Жыл бұрын
Early downshift helps you turn the car earlier. And Iceman upshifts early sometimes, to get good traction. Actually early downshift along with early braking helps you save your tires as well
@thechamp81622 жыл бұрын
I never really gave it much thought until watching this on how and when drivers downshift pretty interesting to be fair
@davidgalle5484 Жыл бұрын
That Honda engines just sound like heaven🤤
@storyanaksekolah22 жыл бұрын
Alfa romeo : kimi you only have 1 gearbox kimi : just leave me alone, i know what to do kimi : i love short shiffting 😎
@mutlakmaksimum2 жыл бұрын
:D
@fisnikramadani41472 жыл бұрын
Downshifting sometimes is used as engine braking and knowing how to manage it helps you manage the cat balance a lot- Nico Rosberg
@twami862 жыл бұрын
Quick downshift: Pros: faster braking Cons: more load on the gearbox, more fuel consumption because of high rpm, more likely to lock brakes, unstable rear, heavy tyre wear. Slow downshift: basically the opposite.
@dartfield46552 жыл бұрын
yes, but even if they have a rev match system it will still be 6 gears down so 6 hits of gas (at higher RPM but for such a short amount of time...) , in the cons you can add that fast DS can cause some engine reliability issues (more friction equals more heat into the engines moving parts). at best the fuel consumption is negligible, if not they'd DS as slow as Kimi.
@미켈란젤리2 жыл бұрын
great channel. keep it up man
@rhysgoodman76282 жыл бұрын
The TV mics don’t do these cars justice. Sure the V8s and V10s were SO much better, but these cars actually don’t sound too bad.
@Excepti0nHandler2 жыл бұрын
Also downshifting slower is used for fuel management. Basically downshift in lower rpms to save fuel on non push laps.
@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf2 жыл бұрын
Pierre completes his downshifts just as he begins to turn the car whereas Kimi completes his downshifts just before the apex. Its all about the different braking styles, something that is quite overlooked at when analyzing driving styles. But that also explains why Alfa's 2020 car has a lower rake than Alpha Tauri's. The rake angles are built around the braking styles of the drivers, 2021 being the exception.
@ammarisrar20052 жыл бұрын
Gasly: FURIOUSLY SPAMMING DOWNSHIFT
@bernardjazz63442 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Alfa's use the final downshift to get some extra rotation as they turn towards the apex whereas the AT's can just smash down the gears to maximise engine braking and throw the car in.
@superjarri2 жыл бұрын
Every sim racer knows that if you downshift too fast and your brake balance is on the rear side, you can cause the rear wheels to spin, so it's not recomended in all circunstances and it's very setup dependent. Sometimes it's more important to wait until the car is less loaded in the front so you can downshift safely, sometimes you have to space your shifts to maximize grip through a corner. Downshifting is not all about speed.
@christoforospaphitis40902 жыл бұрын
In general you want to be done with your downshifting before turning in but at the same time you need to pick the point that unsettles the car less. It is sometimes unavoidable to keep the car unsettle so you need to chose where to unsettle it. Personally I avoid unsettling too early or too late and prefer to do it once the heavy braking is done but before trailbraking, of course i don't know how F1 cars brake or downshift as I have never experience such a marvel of engineering.