Vectro666 hahaha...I was gonna say the same thing. V6 sounds like a sick puppy. I don’t know which direction F1 is taking but I am no longer a fan. Used to go down to Melbourne for F1 but now only for Motogp.

@@black7987echo imagine being a fan of something purely for a sound of an engine, couldn't be me

@@black7987echo Wtf you were an "F1 fan" just because of the sound... that's not a real fan man, you don't see F1 as a sport you just like to hear a noisy sound and have an eargasm. Get outta here dude

@@black7987echo thank god you're no longer a fan

@@black7987echo we don't need "fans" like you.

ThallesFmusic and enough fuel

give me the steering wheel! HEY!

make this meme great XD

Plot twist, they screw with his strategy tomorrow. Oh wait...

And his drink

He had no fear

All old pilots had no fear. Racing once was a war, now is a pussy show....

@@oscarcamargop how?

@@oscarcamargop the drivers are hungrier than ever, but f1 is no longer about the racing but for research and development for future automobile tech. It sucks but thats the only excuse to keep the sport around, hence the v6 hybrids and halos.

@@abdbcdgbja5733 cause now you got Vettel and Hamilton complaining about everything, the only real Pilot is Max Verstappen

Ikr. Montoya was ahead upto the near half of the video. Don't get me wrong. Both are just as impressive. But to think how the older f1 cars handled as if taming wild beasts, I think it's a little bit more impressive

way faster on the straights

Before Ascari Montoya had been always in front, after Ascari Kimi was clearly in front. Aero developments indeed

@@ipo7596 Montoya went in front at the start of the video because he cut the kerb at the first Variante. Kimi couldn't cut as much because of the sausage kerbs

@@chrissss696 I see. I was hoping the cars would be the only variable when comparing laptimes. But that is virtually impossible as conditions, track changes, etc are all factors that also change. Still an accurate comparison though

Watching it at the Autodromo is something else, it's breathtaking, you ain't got the time to blink your eyes

Tom because these modern cars have so much more downforce and are so much lighter with the carbon fibre chassis. Just ridicoulous

They are not lighther, they are heavier...but super sticky slick tyres and tons of downforce make these cars the fastest cornering machines ever....

@@mcree2goodforu471 today's cars are MUCH heavier

Why did kimi lift off at the end of his lap!?

williams wasn't that good in 2004. they only won the last race of the season.

@@sultanabran1 At least they won a race. Look at them now. Its just sad.

Williams were good for top speed at that time .Because BMW engine almost reach 19.000 rpm . If MSC was not demoted ten places penalty because of an engine change, they could not win for sure.

When Williams was Williams BMW

We really need BMW back in F1!!!

V10 screaming !!!

@@oaz8 Way less downforce and grooved tires. They did have traction control, but that makes a very minimal difference. The older cars overall had a lot less mechanical grip than today's cars.

No fuel flow restriction

no ERS also

The 2018 cars weighed a little over 100 KG more and with about 100 or so less horsepower. You can see on the straights that the 2004 car was faster but the 2018 cars are much faster in the corners and thats where Kimi made up all the time on Montoya. Both cars had advantages and disadvantages in different areas. Sure, you can compare them if you like but they are completely different cars.

was

Montoya is an absolute legend!

Definitely. Montoya fkt with prime schumacher!

One of, if not the best overall drivers of all time. He gets in any car and wins.

People really need to look up what underrated means. Everyone who knows F1 from this era even a little agrees he was an absolute beast who deserved at least one title, if not more. He deserves to win more, but is definitely not underrated.

Probably looking around in HD VR from whatever car you want or some sorts.

@@bartterp88 but we already have the technology for that... You're not looking far enough ahead!

I already laugh, 2004 camera is much better than this shit

nightvvisher you meant 2024

I'm not too creative for that. :o

I wonder how much Kimi gained getting to put half is car outside of the track limits through parabolica.

Kimi had already made the ground up on the previous bends... 2018 has far superior braking and cornering but the 2004s were insane on the straights! We need more hp! Lol

@@WeirdBrick We have more power than the V10 era, we just have so much downforce lol

Brem that's a slower line, what are you on about? All the time Kimi made up was through Ascari and being able to brake later than JPM

Car can go off limits as long as both tyres aren't past the track limit

TRACTION CONTROL an more cheap fun to drive .

I AM an engineer and know near to nothing about those cars and professional racing. Don't worry, I'm not going to annoy any one with my expertise.

I AM an engineer. But I’m an electrical engineer so I don’t know about this stuff.

I'm from EE as well but I'm also a automotive nerd so I keep ideas about vast field of automotive (both heavy and light vehicles). So as aerospace and marine

@Bilal Khalid you?

'welcome to technical development'

2004 cars with DRS and slicks, simple mate

I would agree about 2018 but I'd also the 2004 car was better under breaking not raw power. Better under breaking due to being a lot lighter

Slicks bring a massive difference on grip compared to 2004, but they are actually limiting the aero quite a bit in 2021 rules. Just so they can minimize the turbulent air problem F1 has been having for a while now. Major problem for overtaking. The peak power is actually pretty much identical to 2004 cars. 2018 Merc and Ferrari engines with ERS generate anything between 950-1000hp, while 2004 cars peak power was around 950hp. Though, that peak power is available for only 30 seconds a lap in 2018 cars. 2004 engines also had to last only for a race and that wont be coming back to F1.

Don't forget traction control and ABS

What ABS? In 2004?

Kimi: Ok

Let me finish my sheet.

(After Kimi beats his lap) Montoya: Fucking Raikkonnen! What a fucking idiot!

Hold my ice ice cream xD

Without drs bs it was no possible

Fast idiof

No! Mansell at least won a championship

@@bigvee401 He lost it at least 3 times before 1992, and even announced his retirement in 1990

No

For me it was the modern Gilles Villeneuve: He was not a champion, but he was speed to the limit, he is one of my favorites

The "battling with steering wheel" is a misconception. That shows he can go over the cars limit, beyond it's max grip because the cars traction control allows it. He can then balance that grip by correcting the steering. Kimi did not have that luxury (traction control is banned today) so he has to keep it on the limit and can't correct the same way. If he did that he would be off in the first corner. It's much more difficult keeping it at the limit rather than being able to go over it and just saw away with the steering wheel and have traction control to keep the car in check.

@@Rottensteam by your logic, last year's Mercedes was being driven over it's limit 🤦🏻‍♂️

@Victor Nag No

@@Rottensteam You keep hating on us old timers and liking the new F1

@@aspiknf no one liked F1 back then. F1 viewership had its biggest drop ever back then, everyone complained about how boring it was. F1 was awesome before those years and became awesome again after. But the 2000s was some of the worst racing with so few battles and artificial almost computer controlled cars.

Now Imagine a v10 in that ferrari :D

ill never forget the v10's that made me a car lover :(

The FW2003 Williams and F2004 Ferrari will never ever be forgotten ever

@@xMofly8 it would be slower, modern engines have over 1000hp, while the v10 has just over 900. And also the v6 has much more torque.

why was the fw 2003 so legendary?

BMW number 1!!!

Is Williams

No. What we really need is NA engine.

@@ninou972 BMW is BMW

@@vladimirstamenkov9374 yep but only engine is by bmw

Toooo fucking fast for the tires

V6 is faster actually!

@@peoplecallmesugar5564 You mean the Hybrid V6 ia more powerful than the V10, cuz NA V6 vs NA V10.... there's no contest. In reality the V6 is not more powerful, it's just that the instant torque of the electric system helps get out of the corners quicker than the peaky NA F1 engines.

@@cristianr3712 Actually, the V6 turbo hybrid is faster than the V10

It would have to go around rather than over the steeper kerbs just like the 2018 car, so it probably wouldn’t be much faster.

He had lighter car and not so worn engine tho

narrower car, less power, no electric energy also.

V10 engines for days, incredibly light fuel load, less weight and the most powerful engine in the grid

but we can only use 3 engines per season this time around

But Montoya more power wiht V10 while Kimi have V6.

Slipstream helps. On the GPS he was 4-5mph faster than Vettel at every straight which can only be down to slipstream, not setups.

But he does not have the drink!

@@theicemancometh5492 Vettel is way to far in front to give Kimi slipstream.

The Iceman Cometh The experts debated over if the slipstream even gave him 0.010s of an advantage

Kimi often takes slightly compromised lines through corners to carry more speed through them. Might have something to do with the KPH difference.

Paul Cristian cats are heavier though and wider(?) so probably evens out

Kimi had no traction control.

john wycherley TC makes cars slower not faster.

TBF Montoya could cut the first 2 chicanes because of the lack of kerbs. He went over them, Kimi had to go around. That's worth a lot more time than the difference in Parabolica and I reckon the record would have likely been broken years ago if they were still using the 2004 kerbs

You are so funny 😂 Parabolica exit maybe gives 0,3-0,5 secenod advantage. Send Kimi with the same Ferrari but with cut slicks and no drs and he will be 2-3 seconds slower 😂

again*

"Fucking fucking Raikkonen What a fucking idiot"

You say Raikkonen bad?😠😠😠😤🔪🔫

@@chanchaniceman Raikkonen is best and you are gay

@@Petri_Pennala kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdqSY9ai2d2linU.html

The Reason Montoya Got That Time is Because He Was Cutting The Corner And Putting Half A Car While Powering Through The Straight is Was Consistent And Efficient Montoya Doing That Even At The Last Lap He Put Half A Car in The Turn Video At 1:31 Raikkonen is A Better Driver Clean Driver He Drives Like Me But I Learn Something To Day if You Want To Go To Next Level Like Montoya That's Like Crushing Candy Like When Putin Of Russia Took Crimea

I Think Montoya Will Beat Raikkonen If He Was in The Same Car I Am Aggressive I Am Also Aggressive Like Him Something You Can't Teach Or Learn From Some Are Just Born With That I Beat You With Volkswagon Beetle Greetings From Mexican American kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdNhdrqDm7bGcWg.html Russian military helicopter in Crimea [Red Alert 2 remix]

@@ataturk1570 - bruh he wasn't even talking about the lap

@@ataturk1570 Why Do You Capitalize Every Single Word You Say?

@@crazymonkey60123 OCD, i think

kimi88cz corners*

And if you look at the exit of the first chicane the acceleration and mechanical grip is so much better in these modern cars

modern cars? yeah, they are fast in corners, but they have slicks. Montoyas car is much faster, with slick tyres, the 04 generation would be quicker than the current f1.

@@GigaKubica88 exatcly, we've come a long way in terms of downforce since then.

modern cars are also wider. Much better on slow corners with less downforce

David Coulthard 364.8 km/h basically 365 km/h in 2004

@@Smzxe Data from 2018 Kimi lap were from official F1 statistics :)

And 4 more cylinders...

But they had Traction control and ABS

No one inside formula 1 wants then back, why cant u just stop crying, cars are better and faster now, just move on

@Jurassic Mindset what?

@@arturchop4749 V14?!?!?!

Compared to Raikkonen, Montoya was faster and aggressive but very inconsistent nonetheless. I really miss those days of the V10 & V8 engines. And BMW in F1.

2004 cars had traction control and ABS though

Different chicane layout

@@cyberbird451 no abs.

i mean, i think kimi proved he was quicker in 2005

@Zeronality whats driving aids?

@@daffafamous6179 traction control

@@daffafamous6179 it's when computer helps you drive. Traction control is one of them.

@@russotusso1695 Which current F1 cars do not have.

Montoya went over the kerb more on that particular moment

Claro es como comparar el auto de Ayrton Senna con el Jp Montoya, que grande fue Senna.

Kimi*

Vamos colombia saludos desde bogota

Kimi fué mucho mas regular que Juan Pablo en su carrera, dos grandes pilotos. Me hubiera gustado que el colombiano gane un mundial

@@federicogomez3356 Juan pablo no gano la formula uno por culpa de el mismo. Se retiro muy rapido de la F1.

No. The 2004 car had traction control. That alone makes it easier to drive, most likely. You can’t be fooled by watching hand movements. Kimi utterly destroyed Montoya when they were teammates in 2005.

At parabolica without the grass it's "easier" 😉

He recovered at the lesmo 1-2 and pulled away at Ascari and parabolica

Uhm not only, he have gained at Lesmo 1, Ascari and Parabolica( last corner)

Giusto, purtroppo è la verità

No. He was already faster after Lesmo. Pause at the bridge and see.

Its because montoya’s line at some of the turns are a shorter route before,nowadays there are sausage kerbs to prevent that from happening

Compared to the pirelli slicks those old Michelin tires were on a different level. They had grooves but the compound was better, and so was the construction (lighter AND more durable) It's just plain wrong to assume the current pirelli eraser tyres are superior the tyre war Michelins.

the current pirelli slicks are a joke compared to the old grooved tires meant to put on a show. The Michelins back then were made to compete at the highest level, not the pirellis which made them worse to get better and more entertaining races

BuzzRaceWars imagine the sf71h with the 2004 williams fuel flow limit ...

@@renerodrigues561 and tc

Imagine DRS and full slick tyres on JPMs Williams.

And DRS

The Ferrari is on supersofts not hyper

2004 was faster on the straights so he gains loads in sector 1. vast majority of raikonen's time is through ascari

Saint and the Ferrari Goes quicker through the corners

montaya uses a lot of kerb turn 1 and 2

Kimi gained in the lezmo corners, particularly the first one & extended his advantage in Ascari chicane

Don't forget that in sector 2, even when Kimi was behind, he was already faster, catching up...

O Montoya quase cortou caminho nas duas primeiras chicanes por que não tinha a zebra salsicha, ainda mais com um carro mais leve com menos pressão aerodinâmica.

? The regulations are totally different. Changes in 2005, 2009 and 2014 all slowed the cars down considerably.

Montoya had a v10 and kimi a v6

And the camera got better

Now the cars can do 21 races with 3 engines, Montoya, 1 engine per race

And more pixels and more fps...

Alex Thompson 14 years to allow them to go faster

We're already have more power. It just the car rn had so much downforce

Because after they changed from V10 to V8 they became slower. And even in V6 Turbo Hybrid era, they were slower until last year in 2017.

o o engines are not the problem blame rules . A v6 playing to the v10s fuel flow limit and having to last only 1 race like in 2004 not 7 like they have to do today would blow the v10s out of the water .

Kono powah!

And DRS and todays aero package. Not to mention a natural progression of performance from a 3 litre V10. Pound for pound the cars of the V10 era outperform todays car by a good margin.

-100kg for the Ferrari then

@@gabri_111 and lower the kerbs on the chicanes like they were in 2004, easily over half a second lost there for the 2018 lap. And let them run engines with unlimited fuel flow that basically self destruct on every race instead on only having 3 a year

Put v10 engine on the ferrari

the 2018 car would still be faster

The lap time is all about rules and regulation, nothing more. They could make the F1 2018 cars faster if they wanted to, just as well the F1 2004 cars could have been faster. To put this in perspective, the unrestricted Porsche 919 LMP1 car would trash also this lap record, if Porsche made the effort. That beast currently holds the Spa and Nordschleife lap records.

The new cars are also 100kg's heavier than the 2004 cars. If you gave Montoya's car DRS and slicks, you would have to make Kimi's car 100kg lighter and give him traction control. The 2018 car would still win and it would win by an even bigger margin.

@@mrbdzz doesn't hold the spa one any more... Kimi broke that in free practice!

With the rules of 2004, today's car will be 10 seconds for lap faster. It's not like in 2004 constructors knew some special magic that they forgot later. Those were the rules, those were the times.

Agreed.

That sound!!! 😪 V10 in my heart!!

But your icon is of a turbo?????

you also want 4 - 5 seconds slower cars.

@@JakobusVdL was about to point that out

@@adnanadi9898 well u dont know and never know how powerful v10 hybrid engine will be, so u cant say v10 is slower than ur beloved v6 hybrid

I dot think they can compare to Prost & Senna at mclaren.

@@steveetienne Kimi can. Prime Kimi at McLaren during the tyre war was terrifyingly quick. Montoya Kimi was not close at all, Raikkonen destroyed him.

Qui Gonn you know Kimi won with second best car

No pilot can handle it, i believe!!!

Then sadly that car would be slower than the current ones because the hybrid v6s are more powerful than the old v10s and with current aero,the v10s would simply not have enough power to push the car with today's aero as much as the v6 hybrids😥

And use turbo and ERS, because that way it will be useless, current V6 will be faster, if not

28 StAB woUnDS??? They’re in the same area horsepower-wise as the older V10s. Hybridized and modernized engine design would put the V10s farther ahead, and that’s without the weight of a turbo kit. Williams made around 950 hp in 2005 with their 3.0L BMW V10

V10 800 HP, V6 Turbo 1000 HP Qualifying....

Y hay q tener en cuenta los neumáticos de esta época a la de aquella, y aparte que antes no había DRS y ahora sí , creo q sin DRS no se romperia ese récord todavía

Drs 😒

No es más veloz, de hecho es mucho más lento aún con DRS Solo tiene mayor aceleración en velocidades bajas

En el sector de lesmo creo que se llama le recortó y sumó toda la ventaja

Kimi va paseando y Montoya batallando. Es impresionante la diferencia de épocas.

Actually, this would be an insanely good thing for FOM to develop. Augmented reality is already a thing, and we already can make cameras that show AR objects in space... Remember Australia 2017, in at least one of the practice sessions with the new graphics, they were showing the mini-sectors for the laps, but they took it away after seeing people pay too much attention to that over the actual cars. An actual ghost on the track would fully solve that problem, for sure. You could see every little detail as to why one lap was different from another as the lap progressed. Surely the degree of telemetry to support such a system is already in place, since this is F1.

Great write up Fred. And o forgot that yes they Did do this!

Fred931v2 they have GPS, which would make it possible for sure

totally agree

Of Earth.

yed

Mhaaa..

Kimi for president of Brazil

@@cjhowell7515 hahahahaha you got it mate!

Oh dear

Damn, I had forgotten that 😄

"What a fucking idiot"

LMFAO

katsching HAHAHA! Completely forgot about that team radio!!!

😂😂😂😂 amazing

Knoalster205 Cti It's FIA regulations.

@@markhenley3097 offcourse it are regulations. But most people don't do research about the current spec's of the cars. Weight plays a big factor of the current cars.

Because most people have no clue about weight influence on cars. They think it's just a number while it's basically the most important factor next to power of the car

@@Dany_Fox1 so true! Every additional 10kg of weight on an F1 car is worth on average 3/10ths of a second per lap.

Kimi also had to dodge massive sausage kerbs on the Apex.

That car was what it was because of Monthy

Juan Pablo forever....fuckin Raikkonen...Fuckin idiot....:D

Montoya is fucking arrogant, he thinks he's better than anyone, that's why he's no longer in F1, cry baby

JEAN PAUL HIGUERA RAMIREZ Raikonnen is better

@@juniorjota3342 we need such character in f1 unlike max CRASH.

@@olivermccall3898 Kimi is better and not won Indy 500

Pole record, the Monza lap record is still from 2004 so we'll have to see if they beat that tomorrow

Lap record still belongs to Barrichello, on lap 41 1:21.046

Yeah the race lap, but the quali lap is broken

Of course, I just reinforced that there is still the race lap record to beat, which may or may not be broken on Sunday

It wont be broken, the hybrid cars deploy all their energy over one qualy lap, they can't do that during the race.

Giuliano Di Staulo 😂😂 Sry, my englisch is Not so Good 🇩🇪

Una epoca dorada de la F1 que grandísimos pilotos habían.

@@rafamartos6079 Montoya tiene control de tracción y el Ferrari no, no sé qué dices menos tecnología

Montoya siempre siendo un loco y todo un sabio al volante, magnífico manejo

Yes

@@gabri_111 oigan a este? Si raikkonen lleva el ERS (sistema de recuperación de energía), que proporciona 163 HP extras duranteEn 2011 la Fórmula 1 introdujo el alerón trasero móvil conocido como DRS (del inglés Drag Reduction System). Es un sistema que se utiliza para reducir las cargar de aerodinámicas del monoplaza y así aume tar la velocidad de adelantamientos, fuera de eso las llantas lisas le dan mayor adherencia al pavime to no hable bobadas, tecnología la que lleva raikkonen

*Hope they will put the grass on the outside for next year...*

Chuyew, 69 ‘likes’

New chicane was better.

andarax8 modern technoligy can make the v10 way faster

@@lukas6610 I know man, and I know they will never be back, but I can't help myself

andarax8 that v6 could probably be alot faster to tho

@@andarax8 never say never

andarax8 oh just fuck off. Its laughable that people actually think F1 is about looks or sound.

Pure music!!!

good old days

Engies here say that that 2004 was easier to drive bc of TC... Then You look at the cameras and see one guy bouncing one side to the other, turning his head furiously and eating those corners holding that steering wheel like a wild horse on crack and notice that a Lot of stupid people just have internet. Kimi's lap is like watching Karen go grocery shopping

@@vlasov18 sawing at the steering wheel doesn't mean it's more difficult. Why does people think that? Montoya has the luxury of traction control, that means he doesn't need to worry about going over the limit, so he can just correct as much as he wants to without having to worry about spinning. Kimi does not have that luxury and has to keep it on the limit.

Bring v10 back

santiago linares #69 Among Raikkonen and Alonso. Wish he competed for a while longer, would've made the seasons more interesting.

Well Mercedes stated even officially that they will use team orders from now on. Not doing it would be foolish.

That aint happening

It's already been confirmed by vettel, Kimi has been allowed to win.

We have made the decision, the roles are very clear. Kimi had his fair chance and didnt use it. Only the dumb team doesnt use team orders. Look at mclaren in 07. Theyve lost a drivers championship because of it

@@maurizioarrivabene8182 Lol they lost *everything* because of it

except it wasn't 2004 and they go over the runoff area because it's faster

0:12 in 2018 Montoya's lap as well

But he had shitloads of kerbs he could cut

He did have ABS and traction control though

@@cyberbird451 Only TC.

He had also narrower and grooved tyres, narrower front and rear wings and no DRS to use, also NO TC, get your facts

@@m598lmr his car is 150kg lighter his front tires are wider no real wing could cut way more curb had a fresher engine and TC was banned in 2008 😘 get your facts right buddy

Of course!

Yeah, maybe 2016 is good too. Last year was shit

Not like there's a lot of competition tbf

@@roaring20spennies yeah but last year the cars where the most beautiful

haha :D.