FA24 Toyota 86 | Harrop Supercharged

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2 жыл бұрын

With the new 2022 GR86 and BRZ upgrading to the 2.4L FA24 engine, our engineers sourced a US spec FA24F to kick off our supercharged FA24 engine development on our Race 86.
Here's a preview of our initial performance testing on our Mainline ProHub dyno in anticipation for more updates in 2022!
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@mikeedwards1682 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see an Australian engineering company still exists in motor racing with R&D still happening. I think 350-375WHP would be a good amount for a daily GR86 as long as the boxer engine can last a good 250000kms at that power output otherwise the mustang is an easy winner. I’ve heard the FA24 has thin cylinder liners and high compression so low boost is key. Can’t wait to see more on the GR86.

@jirace Жыл бұрын

IMO, the 86 with a Harrop supercharger is a beautiful thing. I was running the Harrop supercharger with a 75mm pulley making a bar a boost on E85 with an Ace header, stock front pipe, Greddy Supreme SP exhaust, and when I would go WOT, the engine note was just perfect. The control of a positive displacement supercharger made the car so easy to control where it was instantly clear how much power I was going to get, and I could control the throttle for power delivery like a surgeon with a scalpel. Eventually, I put a rod through the block making so much torque on a stock block. I considered my option and ultimately sold the supercharger and went with a K24 turbo swap, and while I love the car, it is far more race car now. The engine sits higher, so it doesn't have the same handling characteristics. The engine shakes more because it isn't a well-balanced boxer motor. The turbo is a G25-660 in the smallest trim, so lag can be nearly non-existent, and the torque comes on low, but it just doesn't have the immediate urgency of the supercharger, nor does it have the linear pull of the supercharger. The turbo has more of a surge in torque, which is fun, but it doesn't reward the driver the same. It is a car that you hold on for the ride more than precisely controlling the power delivery, so in that way, I can confidently say that the supercharger is better. I may keep my K24T 86 as a ridiculous track toy, but it is no longer the ideal everyday sports car. I'm looking forward to seeing what Harrop produces for the GR86. My eyes glance up market at times at the Cayman and Lotus Emira with interest, but I really can't imagine too many things that could be better than a GR86 with a new Harrop supercharger pushing over 400whp and singing to 7500 rpms. This is the experience of a free-revving, low-displacement, Japanese sounding engine with V8 power and with NA response in something 800-1000lbs less than a Camaro or Mustang. Buy it! Keep it forever!

@B__L Ай бұрын

"The engine sits higher, so it doesn't have the same handling characteristics. The engine shakes more because it isn't a well-balanced boxer motor." The K series is much lighter than the FA motor. That handling difference is probably the shift towards rear bias. Also, the K series is a much better balanced and smoother motor than the FA.

@aetherkiller 5 ай бұрын

that looks INCREDIBLE

@rookietoprobuildz 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I can get my hands on this FA24 motor , impressive numbers.

@mrporsche4236 11 ай бұрын

If harop can supercharge a new gr86 then that will be the most fun sports car money can buy today

@MmeDesgranges 2 жыл бұрын

Nice power from that engine

@lamboferruccio 2 жыл бұрын

This is so awesome

@vigneshn.y3048 2 жыл бұрын

Will an FA20 kit fit the FA24 for those customers who want to upgrade to the newer platform but carry forward their current SC?

@ChemAndAdrenaline Жыл бұрын

It really depends on the arrangement of the header inlets and bolts.

@GK-xm4gz 2 жыл бұрын

Who makes those fender flares? They look great!

@ideamr2 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome Build! Any update on this?

@eltoro764 2 жыл бұрын

Once developed I'll be getting one crack on harrop

@protectyourcar5889 2 жыл бұрын

Nice FA24 supercharge!

@zendi5970 2 жыл бұрын

Was this result running e85 or 98? Also what's the production update. I'm in the market for a supercharger but I think other companies might be doing a bit more testing on 12.5 compression motor.

@RadDadisRad 2 жыл бұрын

That supercharger would wake up the Ascent. 🤣

@jonasbaine3538 2 жыл бұрын

Do it

@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын

Subaru SUVs are actually better at off-roading than most oversized SUVs. A turbo and intercooler upgrade would suffice.

@mrdauntl3ss 2 жыл бұрын

Until the cvt explodes

@RW-zh7kl Жыл бұрын

Lol it would wake up your wallet too everytime you drive it and something breaks..

@RadDadisRad Жыл бұрын

I wish the Subaru Ascent had different power and drive modes like Audi. Same power all the time sometimes I want more torque and other times I want better mpg. They could easily attain that because they use electronic waste gates and blow off valves. Simply tuning of those PIDs could increase torque without being too much and other tuning would allow a different boost map to allow more time with less exaggerated positive pressure.

@richardkitaresku4517 Жыл бұрын

soo sick

@ideamr2 Жыл бұрын

4 months later any update on this build very interested

@ideamr2 Жыл бұрын

any updates on this build!? very interested! Thanks

@hectorgomez8277 Жыл бұрын

What is the progress looking like for this supercharger?

@carlsenden8750 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sweeeet👌🏻

@krispykruzer Жыл бұрын

Any plans to build a supercharger for the FB25?

@A_Fatal_Waffle Жыл бұрын

What happened to this project? Any advancements on tuning with the fa24 supercharged?

@gabbisan360 Жыл бұрын

When’s this coming to the GR86?

@lendelsaclayan6609 2 жыл бұрын

Any modifications...I hope the tranni fits too

@gman3280 Жыл бұрын

Any update? Need this SC!

@edthomas8486 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Guys. Are we talking rear wheel hp smoothing SAE 5?

@andrejcupac7359 2 жыл бұрын

Any updates on the power numbers?

@patrickhooper2843 Жыл бұрын

Hi guys. Big fan. Any updates on this?

@timmy22withan38 Жыл бұрын

Then chassis configurations LSJ must. Be displacement 2.4 or higher

@scottwright3387 11 ай бұрын

When is this going to be available on the states????????

@702TifosiGambler Жыл бұрын

Is a bov available with this kit?

@hoangtonganh10193 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question for you: Drivetrain is still original, isn't it?

@sambutler1794 Жыл бұрын

Still waiting for an update or at least for units compatible for previous gen to be restocked :/

@LogansRun314 2 жыл бұрын

Sir, wen SC for GR86, sir?

@future_phonk 13 күн бұрын

Would love a dry sump on my fa24.

@5thgearouttahere 2 жыл бұрын

So I guess you'll need to be clearing out some of the current kits then, AM I RIGHT? 😉

@rob_over_9000 2 жыл бұрын

Assuming of course they even had kits, but they've been out of stock for freaking ever...

@ninchalla_creates 2 жыл бұрын

Thse companies work fast

@SaintsRow1177 2 жыл бұрын

Wait and it’s a rootscharger, sick

@jonasbaine3538 2 жыл бұрын

sound feel like a v6. Every roots supercharged frs I drove felt like a 300hp v6

@mgrabo1024 2 жыл бұрын

Does the fa24 out of the ascent bolt right to the brz transmission? It's built for boost out of the gate. Might be a cool swap into older brz and 86.

@Jesusprayerwarriorbw 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing

@LoudGuitar14 2 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering the same thing. Because if it does that opens up a world of possibilities and swap options

@mitchjames9350 2 жыл бұрын

What’s the difference in power range compared to turbocharging it compared to supercharging it.

@ValenGR86 Жыл бұрын

The turbo would be able to push more hp but the high compresion of he engine doesnt like that, so its better go for a supercharger.

@boost331 2 жыл бұрын

What was the difference between the 2 dyno runs that made the 2nd pass show an extra 50HP?

@S.E.T.4Life 2 жыл бұрын

More than likely tuning optimization

@707turbo1 2 жыл бұрын

The low numbers was 93 octane and the higher Hp was on E85 and smaller supercharger pulley. Probably 3 psi more!

@davidpac4 2 жыл бұрын

@@707turbo1 probably just e85. That’s the difference I got when I switched from 91 to e85 on my jrsc

@T_3rR4h Жыл бұрын

Really really sad to see that you guys aren't selling this kit or doing superchargers locally 😔. I feel like you were nearly there for this one.

@ideamr2 Жыл бұрын

What happened that cause this?

@RadDadisRad 2 жыл бұрын

Does this FA24 have direct and port injection? The D4S system

@victorcsodapok5298 2 жыл бұрын

The FA24D does, not sure about this one (FA24F if I’m not mistaken).

@RadDadisRad Жыл бұрын

@@victorcsodapok5298 I know the Subaru Ascent doesn’t have the d4s system.

@Arid379 Жыл бұрын

Yea

@Treaxvour Жыл бұрын

🙏

@Matteo-xm6xo 2 жыл бұрын

Fa24 in brz is like 13.5 compression to the ascents 10.5.nice power tho 👍

@filipprucnal 2 жыл бұрын

The FA24 in the new BRZ is 12.5:1 CR like the old one. Assuming you have E85 available to you it's not that big of a problem

@Matteo-xm6xo 2 жыл бұрын

@@filipprucnal no it's 13.5 for 2022. Also this ascent engine is only 10.6 or 10.5

@filipprucnal 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matteo-xm6xo there's a ton of conflicting information online. Wikipedia says the FA24D is 12.5:1, some people say it's 13.5:1 and some even say that there's a difference between the GR86 and BRZ (with the GR retaining the 12:5 CR and the BRZ being 13.5:1, which is ridiculous because they're practically identical in power) Where did you get that info?

@Matteo-xm6xo 2 жыл бұрын

@@filipprucnal yeah I see what your saying now might only be 12.5 guess that's me will tell. My mistake I've been seeing and hearing 13.5. but seems to be the same as the steering ratio so who knows.🤷🏼‍♂️

@filipprucnal 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matteo-xm6xo No worries. Even Engineering Explained said it's 13.5:1 so you can see how far this mixup went

@timmy22withan38 Жыл бұрын

Had. Smack cobalt SS on sideways. mostwanted 05. Seen. That. X pipe. Under carriage. Chevy. Back

@skiddlyd.244 2 жыл бұрын

How much weight does the supercharger set up add? Was the compression 12.5:1 or stock ascent 10.6:1? If this supercharger makes similar numbers in the new brz/gr86 they’ll be quick as hell

@404nobrakes 2 жыл бұрын

Video states 10.6:1

@skiddlyd.244 2 жыл бұрын

@@404nobrakes Did they say how much weight it adds?

@JoseFlores-lg3ms 2 жыл бұрын

@@skiddlyd.244 did you watch a 3 minute video?

@skiddlyd.244 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoseFlores-lg3ms no. Ain’t nobody got time for that

@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын

@@skiddlyd.244 Too bad you have the attention span of a fruit fly 😂

@mikeedwards1682 2 жыл бұрын

What’s the engine life expectancy?

@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't a centrifugal supercharger be better for a circuit track racer? Centrifugals allow the use of an a2a intercooler, has higher efficiency (lower intake air temps), and is lighter. Does not have the low end grunt of a TVS but circuit racers keep revs up high anyway.

@timeatak5248 2 жыл бұрын

Yes agreed. I’ve had cars with roots type supercharger and they heat soak badly and the air to water HX is not very effective. Once it’s heat soaked, it’s done. An air to air HX is the best.

@trdscfjc Жыл бұрын

Harrop is a Eaton supercharger official retailer, if they were the official retailer of Paxton or Vortech then they would be doing R+D for that brand. Additionally, Harrop is a aftermarket supplier for the domestic on-road market not for exclusively race teams. Their race car is simply a test bed, if it works in the harsh race environment it's going to work in a regular guys daily driver.

@2seep 8 ай бұрын

@@timeatak5248a2w is better. You need the minimum amount of coolant plus very high flow. This achieves the best cooling

@808touge Жыл бұрын

1 year latter still waiting

@davidhupke8457 2 жыл бұрын

Stock GR86 has a 12.5 compression.

@404nobrakes 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah idk why people are sharing this video around as if it's relevant to stock GR/BRZs. The closest most people are gonna get to this is ascent piston swaps, if that's the only difference.

@CrusinVK 2 жыл бұрын

But if you plan to go F.I. right away, with forged internals, then this is kinda relevant. Still probably cheaper just to find a wrecker FA24F motor and drop it in an old BRZ chassis

@alvingeroy3242 2 жыл бұрын

It might be 40hp or so off, but hks is designing one that can hit 350whp

@aaronbryan5095 2 жыл бұрын

You do realise that the FA24F from the Ascent, Outback amd Legacy isn't the same as the FA24D in the GR86/BRZ, right? Different compression ratio, different connecting rods, different pistons and I wouldn't be surprised if there are differences in the cylinder heads and valvetrain between these 2 engines.

@fullboost 2 жыл бұрын

Yes they do realise that and yes they know the heads are different.

@codycurnutte7084 2 жыл бұрын

I would think that all those differences would trend towards performing better under forced induction and expect better numbers if anything.

@mitchjames9350 2 жыл бұрын

@@codycurnutte7084 particularly in torque

@BobbyDazzler888 2 жыл бұрын

Who gonna use e85? How often does it need a rebuild?

@victorcsodapok5298 2 жыл бұрын

Good questions. Time will tell. I’m glad they started the clock so we can follow and see how it goes over time under the additional duress. I ran ethanol on my last track car and will plan the same with this engine as well unless problems arise from trials.

@tacticalmattress 2 жыл бұрын

Gonna either blow up or shit out the trans 😂😂

@reinhart482 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t you just swap the entire fa24 engine and turbo into an frs then mod that? Ascent 260hp stock.

@vvevvevvvv 2 жыл бұрын

Ascent comes only with CVT

@LoudGuitar14 2 жыл бұрын

That seems like a possibility since Harrop appears to have bolted the Accent engine to the stock transmission

@dragoontwo 2 жыл бұрын

Wanted to be excited, but then saw Ascent engine. Much sad, so disappoint.

@707turbo1 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the same as the Gr 86 just lower compression. So the Gr will probably make 15-20 whp more with the better thermal efficiency cause of the higher compression and as long your tuning E85 your not going to be timing limited at hi boost levels

@404nobrakes 2 жыл бұрын

@@707turbo1 keyword: E85

@samuelbaker6542 2 жыл бұрын

Grouse

@index6738 2 жыл бұрын

Cant hear super charger whine, therefore disappointing.

@SmokDiplodoq 2 жыл бұрын

Clickbait :( gr86 nowhere to be seen

@AaronEbright Жыл бұрын

If i want a subaru id buy one same with bmw. Toyota screwed up big time. Toyota needs to make an engine plain and simple.

@boost331 10 ай бұрын

What happened to these guys? Had a nice kit for the BRZ\86 then fell off the face of the earth. They gave some "retooling" excuse like 18 months ago. Sounds like bigger problems to me.