The dumbest part is they chose not to use the cowl, an integral part of the iron fist costume, and the cowl would have allowed them to have a stunt man with a similar body type do the fighting with the cowl on 🤦

It should have been a contractual obligation that whoever took the role of Iron Fist had to train and learn martial arts to an extremely advanced degree. The moment Finn Jones didn't want to they should have let him go and recast.

I read the title and immediately thought "oh no Karl's about to crap on Iron Fist show" and then remembered how bad that show was and realized it needs to be knocked again and again.

In the comics, Daredevil has a better win/loss ratio than anyone else who fights Iron Fist. His radar sense has, many times, been stayed to basically just be a better spider-sense

How can you not attend training? Damn having the chance to have a marvel team getting me in shape is like a dream

My biggest pet peeve, as a Muay Thai coach, is Finn would've broken his hand trying to punch with that weak wrist and alignment. At least hire an Iron Fist that can make a decent fricking fist.

It really irked me how out of place Iron Fist looked in the series. He barely did any fighting at all. And they made him look like an absolute fail as a martial artist.

I reckon the real cause of this is actually Scott Buck, aka. the man who ruined Dexter. Scott Buck was the showrunner for Iron Fist and Eternals, at the behest of Ike Perlmutter (who has just been yeeted from Marvel entirely). This was because he has a reputation for shooting cheaply and Perlmutter is legendarily cheap (He was also the one who got rid of Terence Howard because he's also super racist and figured the audience wouldn't notice if a black guy changed, and he wanted Hulk to lead the pro-registration side in Civil War because Mark Ruffalo was cheaper than RDJ. That was the final straw for Kevin Feige to go to the top at Disney and demand that Perlmutter be removed from any oversight of the movies or he would quit). That's almost certainly why things like "learn this shit" wasn't a contractual obligation, because they would have had to pay more. He's also super spiteful, the reason the X-Men spent most of the 2010s being shat on in the comics and they kept trying to push the Inhumans so hard is 100% because he was bitter that Marvel didn't have the movie rights to them.

the fight between Steve Roger and the Winter Soldier i have watched quite a number of times. its more fun to know that during rehearsal, you can see the actors actually going *faster* in their knife fight, but obviously there's a slowdown in the movie

The Roshi vs Jirin fight actually kinda makes sense. The Tournament rules forbade the participants from killing their opponents. The penalty for doing so was disqualification which is why Jirin had to heavily, heavily hold back because he’d get disqualified and his universe’s team would lose their strongest member at the cost of one of Universe 7’s weakest team members which is probably what Roshi was hoping for in the first place when he decided to rush into a fight that he obviously couldn’t win.

When I was in Uni my stage combat tutor said he was taught by the same person who taught Jones when he was in acting school. According to him, Jones never took stage combat seriously saying he would never need to use it in the future. Yeah really. It doesn't surprise me that he didn't train.

I think the drone scene from Far From Home is the best portrayal of how strong Spidersense is in video media

I feel for the actor playing Tank, I think he was entirely correct: The character of Tank was of extreme importance to the plot and narrative of The Matrix and he should have developed and taken a major role in the sequels. The whole purpose of Neo's quest is (supposedly) the liberation of humanity from the slavery of the machines. His character was the living embodiment of said purpose, the avatar of the end goal, a human born free. And yet he was relegated to a one note character and killed unceremoniously.

I don't get why they didn't hire someone who already had martial arts on their CV/resume at least

I always wished they had used the "drunken fist" guy Danny fought. In fact, they could have just switched roles.

My personal thought on why they hired Finn Jones, was purely cuz this was the time frame where EVERYBODY wanted people from Game of Thrones. Jessica Henwick was also on GoT, but clearly she actually cared and did her due diligence for Iron Fist which lead to her being the only good thing about the show.

If I hired someone and they basically refused to do the training for the job, I would fire them. There was zero reason to keep him on the project.

The actor that didn't need to be trained to be one of the most powerful martial artists in Marvel would have to be Wesley Snipes playing Blade.

I'm pretty certain that Shang Chi is actually the best martial artist in Marvel. Which is why Spiderman learns martial arts from him.

It's amazing how the people that actually worked hard at their job are the MCU Television characters that I like the most.

Meanwhile Charlie Cox could do most of his own stunts and would act with special contacts so he's basically blind for real.

In defense of Jessica Jones, I liked her portrayal of the character. Alot my psychological and emotional, with less emphasis on the brawling. And at the point her story that you see, she doesn't seem to have fought anything stronger than the average man. She wouldn't need any technique to fight the average man.

The Baki series did this with Yujiro Hanma and the oldest martial artist in China. The latter was SO GOOD at martial arts and controlling his body, that he chose to "die" right before the former punched his head off.

It sums up to that one line from Kung Pow being "we trained him wrong as a joke"

The whole "Who would win is whoever the writer likes" is honestly the biggest thing. Even talking about who the best fighters are, Marvel has lots of different people who it states. Captain America is "The best close quarters fighter," Iron Fist is "The best martial artist," and of course Taskmaster has hax that let him clap anyone. They can find a million ways to say someone else is the best if they really want to.

Keanu Reeves is a black belt in Judo and has belts in several other martial arts. Finn Jones looks like he barely exercises.

The fight I think it’s so noticeable is with the drunk guard as the actor who did the drunk fighter is trained fighting iron fist and it’s just visible.

For me, the scene that always comes to mind is the ladder fight scene from Jackie Chan’s “First Strike.”

Shang Chi is actually considered purely martial art-wise the best in marvel comics Wolverine, however, is considered the best teacher of martial arts but that one is more debatable. In Dc Comic its probably Lady Shiva

I do think it's funny that Oliver Queen's sister and Danny Rand' sister had the exact same "my father was a bastard" heel turn where they got bob haircuts and started dressing in black

Jiren can punch people with his eyes... possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen. Ok not ever but still pretty good.

I will say, the scenes with Luke Cage and Iron Fist fighting to Wu Tang was actually pretty dope.

Jessica Henwick is awesome and gets very dedicated to her roles. She was my first pick for a live action Sabine Wren.

I'll never understand why they didn't cast someone that already had a background in martial arts to play a martial arts master

Iron Fist has always been in my top five favorite characters. It really sucks that the actor didn't rise to the occasion. I feel like Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds really showed us how it's done, get someone who is a fan of the character they are playing.

Iron Fist (recast by someone who actually trains) and Shang Chi should be in a movie together they could be awesome team up. Second best would be power man (aka Luke Cage) and Iron Fist (recast)

Iron fist is my favorite superhero of all time. I died when they did this to my boy. Finn is a monster.

The weird thing about casting Finn Jones isn't that he didn't have prior martial arts training, it's that he wasn't that great of an actor in the role. I could understand training an actor to fight after casting them, if it's a situation where the actor is going to be great in the role, but he was only slightly better at acting than he was fighting.

The best part is that its very visible that Finn did not train at all. You can learn how to do proper kicks and a punches in couple minutes. It takes around 5 minutes to get flexible enough to pull of kicks properly.(they will be pretty much useless in a real fight but they look cool.). Like that security guards scene just needed two low kicks and one punch and Finn being more aggressive and it would look good but from the look of how it was cut Finn had not even memorized choreography because after every move there was a cut.

10:55 Ironically, the best showcase of Iron Fist's powers in the whole show

*that time Netflix didn't train the best fighter in a mcu adjacent universe how to fight

Loved the Ryu unique line from UMVC3 lol. Also, one thing I would like to correct is that the main story for the iron fist TV show has a few significant differences from the comic book in that Orson Randall is not a titular villain. They also failed to show fins mother, being eaten alive by wolves part of the comic book origin.

Imagine if they actually hired a martial artist to be the iron fist

For me, Ward Meachum's story arc was the best thing that show had.

What they did to Iron Fist is unforgivable.

Wasn’t the quote actually “the only characters in comics that stay dead are Uncle Ben, Bucky and Jason Todd.”? It wasn’t specific to Marvel, but to comics in general, hence Jason Todd’s inclusion (although like Bucky, he too got brought back).

On a tangent, the powers and skill sets of Hit and Jiren still confuse me to this day.

This feels like the 2018 version of the channel. It warms my heart

I would like to point out that it is a real skill to be able to tell what your opponent will do next in martial arts. You can learn to spot certain muscle movements that usually lead to specific moves, and combat it almost before they began if you're fast enough, which looks from the outside a whole lot like reading the mind of their opponent or seeing the future.

I did appreciate Multiverse of madness letting us see live action Captain Carter.

21:00 This part was hilarious to me because, when they briefly mentioned Luke Cage earlier in the video, my ADHD brain thought back to the show and was like "It was so funny in that show, when asked to describe who wrecked house, someone's like 'he was fine...' and they instantly knew it was Luke Cage!" Hilarious, but also... Fair enough 🤣

Seeing Mike and Jay in a Fact Fiend video really subverted my expectations

i cant remember where it comes from but my favorite quote about characters dying is "in sci-fi no ones dead until their DNA is expunged from the universe and even then there's time travel"

Bless y'all for showing my favorite scene from The Raid.

Dude this is the first time you showed up in my recs in at least 6 months!!!!!!!!

I loved the bit where Misty Knight and Colleen Wing met and made fun of Nightwing

Wow...I use to watch this channel all the time and somehow just forgot about it until this video randomly popped up. Now I'm excited to go see what all I've missed.

Daredevil had better combat than iron fist, don't get me wrong DD can fight.... but it's FXXKING IRON FIST 🤦🏾‍♂️

Hey Karl, I just had to tell you that your videos are so good that I sometimes get lost in them and completely forget about my school projects!

wierd thing, the other day i saw you in Sheffield by infirmary road tram stop. wanted to say hi but i was busy driving the tram. just wanted to say always love the videos you put out.

Dude I've been tryna find this damn channel for so long! I seriously COULD NOT think of thr name lol I knew I was subscribed but never got any videos on my recommendations

haven't seen a fact fiend video in my recommended in a while!

so happy you guys are back to drinking videos

Dude, Rossi dodged like 8 shots from Jiren since Jiren wasn’t taking him seriously. As soon as he did, he one-shotted Roshi

In the final episode of the second season of Iron Fist he passes the iron fist to Colleen Wing, so they can bring Iron Fist back, it just won't be Danny. Which both gets past the white saviour issue and matches canon.

The Asian guy in the show who was doing drunken fist should have been the damn iron fist. Instead iron fist beat him smfh. I stand on that. He was a martial artist but he was not white enough

I feel like it’s been a while since I’ve seen Iron Fist, but the 2nd season was way more fun than the first.

Hearing about martial arts from fact fiend makes me proud to be a martial artist

It's good to see y'all guys again I might even front it's been a long time totally forgot about you all lol I've been so busy with my own podcast and research other things I watch a lot of different people

Thanks for leaving that intro in

My favorite martial arts scene was in Kung Fu Hustle, between the three masters (Coolie, Tailor, and Donut) and the Axe Gang.

Imagine auditioning for a Marvel role and expecting to not train, like what was this guy thinking???

I think Finn Jones earned every bit of shade he's gotten here and elsewhere; not showing up for training disrespects not only the people who agreed to train you, but the stunt performers that have to try to make you look good anyway and the crew that have to bend over backwards to salvage a shot that makes you look like you got chops. In regards to Mike Colter, however, I think you're being a bit unfair. That look he had in season 1 isn't just a product of conditioning, but of pre-shoot dehydration(It's an industry-wide problem, not just in Luke Cage), and I was actually relieved that they stopped doing that for season 2.

No joke, I forgot this was a channel. It just hasnt shown up on my recommendations in years.

This was the single greatest intro ever. ^^

1 correction on the master roshi thing master roshi fighting jiren wasnt just because he has 200 years worth of martial arts skills but also because he forced himself to train to a point where he can genuily fight people around goku level tho he still has a very old body so he cant fight for long and looses to jiren pretty quickly

I could listen to you dunking on Ironfist all day.

Actually the rule of Marvel is: Even if you see their neck being snapped or their dead corpse on a table, they're coming back!

I did a movie with Shawn Bernal who was one of stunt guys in Iron Fist. Dude is a great martial artist!

But can Iron Fist beat Squirrell Girl???

When you have a show that uses a mu ren zhuang (wing-chung dummy) as a punching bag in a dojo that teaches Kenjutsu, you just know you're dealing with people who care about getting every little detail right.

Jessica Henwick is literally the only thing that kept me interested in Iron First tbh, she should definitely show up in the MCU at some point. Big L from Finn Jones not training with her lol

If they ever decide to recast Danny Rand/The Immortal Iron Fist, John Cho should play him.

I will never not be pissed at how horribly Iron Fist was handled. Like get a martial artist to play the martial artist, shouldn't be hard to figure out.

The problem: Someone new to fighting would have to learn the fighting style in itself first AND how to perform the fighting style as filmed choreographed stunts. Result: Nonsense.

I think Shang Chi is right up there with Iron Fist. I guess it all depends on who is writing the story, but I know I've seen Shang referenced as the best fighter in the Marvel Universe. Spidey even learned his own form of martial arts from him--way of the spider!

I thought Shang Chi was the best, and was the guy they brought in, if someone like Iron Fist goes bad for a few issues?

The one time Master Roshi and Goku fought, Master Roshi did win. That means Roshi must be stronger than Goku, even if Goku was only 5 at the time and Roshi only barely managed to win due to a height advantage.

I remember when they had like 30k subs. Watched them everyday back in highschool

Colleen got the iron fist power at the end, so bring HER back in the MCU, & just say that Danny's off running Rand or something. That fixes the white washing AND means we have another female mcu badass! Could you imagine how sick a fight scene with her along side Shang Chi would be?!

Captain Marvel and Uncle Ben are the only Marvel characters I can think of who died and never came back. And I mean the alien Mar-Vel Captain Marvel. Who got cancer and died.

My speakers are weak and I literally thought you were talking about Vinnie Jones

Hate how this isnt in my for you list any more. Love seeing it.

They failed as hard at Iron Fist as Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner failed at Daredevil and Elektra. I walked out on that movie in the early 2000s. It's the only marvel movie I've walked out on, although if I had gone to the theater for Black Widow, I'd have probably walked out on that too. Especially because all the characters I just mentioned are so easy to portray on screen - you don't need a lot of fancy CGI, just some stunt doubles who know how to do some fancy kicks and combos, lots of camera angles, and a little slow-mo. But, really, was Iron Fist declared the "best" fighter in the MCU?!? I would think someone like Taskmaster could automatically be better than any other physical fighter, since he can mimic any physical move he sees. Or Gamora, since she was an unrivaled martial artist in the comics, although they dialed her back to a mere gun and sword-wielder in the movies because Zoe Saldana can't even pretend to fight well. Or Psylocke, since she can literally read people's minds as she fights them, and can augment her own physical prowess with telekinesis AND psionic projections. But, when I go look at the MCU top ten fighter lists online, none of those three characters are even in the ranks, which makes zero sense to me. Even Spiderman should be better than Iron Fist, with his precognitive abilities, augmented strength and reflexes, his batman-esque array of contraptions, and his genius analytic abilities. But what do I know? I guess Disney knows better than all of us who grew up reading all the comics...ha! Fuckin' assholes.

I keep forgetting this dude isn't Bo Burnham.

Spider-man was basically using the same radar sense that Dare Devil uses to fight as a blind man.

I was sitting over here wondering why your subscriber count is sooooo low after all these years even though you have one of the most entertaining way of presenting topics in an educational way. You do pretty solid research, and you're very entertaining...... I was thinking this as I realized I was not subscribed. SMH fixed it.

Shang Chi would wipe the floor with this version of Iron Fist's face

As someone who's a huge fan of martial arts cinema, the fact that they chose the guy because of his association with another big-name show (because let's be honest...), was ridiculous. Firstly, no one cared, in the ENTIRE world, that the guy who played Loras Tyrell... was leading a show. No one. There was no extra clout to be gained by his casting. So, why not cast an actual martial actor? There are SO many fantastic martial actors in the world, who they could've given that role to, and gotten phenomenal choreography out of it.

I thought season two was pretty good. But good luck getting through season one. Personally, I just fast-forwarded every time people started fighting. Binged it pretty fast that way.