Fadal VMC20 LinuxCNC Retrofit working MDPE

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The Wizard of Overall Creek

The Wizard of Overall Creek

2 жыл бұрын

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This newest addition to the shop has already paid for itself twice over in the 3 months or so I've had it. I converted it to LinuxCNC and Mesa boards as I didn't want to be tied to a bunch of EOL OEM boards from the 1990s. I'll post another video taking a closer look at this machine soon. I have yet to finish wiring in the ATC to the new control system, and when that is done, it will be a good time for a thorough tour of it, and probably the rest of the shop if it seems there's interest.
All cuts: 3/8" 4fl HSS endmill, 3"OAL 1" flute
Toolpath Feeds/Speeds via Fusion 360
Roughing: 100ipm 0.125" Max WOC, 0.125" DOC (Adapted Pocket Clearing)
Finish Passes: 25ipm 0.005 - 0.015" cuts
Deep Slot: 0.378" Slot @ 1.8" depth (allowing 0.003" side clearance to aid in controlling material deflection, and chip clearance)
0.0626" DOC Ramping @ 50ipm, 0.375" WOC

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@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
Is anybody needing adapter plates for the servo motors to mount modern encoders? I was not able to find any for my own conversion and machined custom pieces from Alum 6061. The cost of material and shipping is such that I could send out a set of 3 for perhaps $40 to 50 including shipping. If at least 2 or 3 people say they need it I will buy the material. Like this comment if you would be interested in a set.
@ElixirCNC
@ElixirCNC 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work! I'm interested to know more!
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll do a more detailed walk through soon, with special attention how the Mesa boards are wired, etc. Probably after the tool change is also converted. Might try to incorporate LinuxCNC servo tuning instructions into it as well. There are good written instructions for that on the forums, but I think a video could be helpful to many folks.
@BD-qq4fn
@BD-qq4fn 2 жыл бұрын
That is really impressive! I’ve got a Fadal 1999 VMC 15…..would love to see your retrofit specifics. 3 tenths is fantastic resolution! Have you done a ball study to see what is over the machines envelope (or just x & y). Thanks for posting! Yes, you need more room.
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
Well I don't delude mysef in thinking I'm actually getting 3 tenths positioning in the real world, but the motors commanded angle should be doing their part. In reality the ballscrews have lots of wear at this age (and up to 0.002"" unevenly across travel) and there is considerable backlash, similar to traditional leadscrew. 0.008" on Y axis, 0.024" on X if I remember correctly. Could be some tightening on the ballnuts is needed, and the Lovejoy couplers might also be to blame. I have gotten the backlash compensation values in the neighborhood, within 0.001", but it will take a lot more precise measurement and data entry to home in under that. The actual travel for the X axis can almost squeeze out about 21.7" without having moved the hard end stops. The factory setting soft limit is 20" and I keep it at 21" because the wear is uneven as it has never really been run in those extreme values and would bind and require slower speed out at the ends unless I scrape things evenly, which I may eventually do anyway. From what I can see I think I might be able to get perhaps as much as 23" if I moved the hardstops out a bit more. The Y likewise gives me 16.75" between hard stops and I run it at 16.25" soft limit right now. Z I run at 23" which is probably as high as it will physically allow. The spindle is only about an inch away from table at full depth, without a tool, and at the top it seems to be backing up to the nut. I have also toyed with the idea of adapting a bigger table onto this machine. 16.75" Y would still be usable for a lot of things if I could get 36-40" travel out of X. Maybe find a table from another larger machine and adapt it to fit. There's a lot about this machine that I like that would cause me to retrofit it rather than get a bigger machine. Namely, the weight, frame rigidity, power requirements are low, etc etc. well organized and well thought out design, a real joy to work on. Getting ready to add in an improvised 4th axis from an old mini lathe headstock as well
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
I revisited this, digging deeper. It turns out the ballscrews themselves have very little wear, under 0.001". The slop was coming from the thrust bearings and issues with the gibs. I was able to clean everythign up and tighten it and get under 0.001" backlash on all but Y. Y needs a new thrust bearing. You can get them for about $40/pair (each axis has two preloaded to take up lash). It needs a precision shim, you can make your own if you keep shim stock on hand. the info on ultimate travel is still somewhat accurate. I could take off the Bellevile washers to get more travel, but that area of the ways seeing less wear means everythign gets very tight out there and I'd have to really slow down the machine or scrape the ways.
@BD-qq4fn
@BD-qq4fn 2 жыл бұрын
@@calphis I’m literally in the same boat! I need to replace the Y thrust bearing….making a clicking noise with every revolution. If you happen to make a video of the repair…I’d be ecstatic! Thank you.
@aarondcmedia9585
@aarondcmedia9585 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@MotorsportDiesel
@MotorsportDiesel 2 жыл бұрын
I have a VMC20 that I have already bought some MESA cards for to do Linux, and it already has encoders installed. I also bought a spindle encoder so I could do rigid tapping. My machine had another antiquated retrofit on it already, so it will likely be a bit more of a challenge to get going. I am also in Tennessee, about 4 hrs from Nashville, near Bristol. I bought a 7i73 and the 7i77D and 5i25. I would love to see you do an overview of the install! Thanks for the video.
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
With encoders already in, you should have a fairly easy time of it. the PNCconf wizard makes it really easy if you have servo amp boards that already have gain/current adjust pots on them. In the wizard you just start running a slow speed, check the position feedback, then adjust the trim pots until the actual measure speed and commanded jog are the same. move speed up a bit higher and repeat until you reach the top speed you plan to use. I'll make another video on this process as well as soon as I'm able. The LinuxCNC folks have done a great job on the core, this wizard, and the servo tuning system. They've even documented it very well on the forums. It's really not nearly as complex as it sounds when described verbally. For some folks like me a video might help clear things up. Thanks for stopping by. And you are welcome to drop by (and anyone else for that matter) to check the machine out if you ever make it out this way
@jensparrow27
@jensparrow27 2 жыл бұрын
@@calphis you make the internet a better place.
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
@@jensparrow27 Thanks so much! That's high praise!
@MotorsportDiesel
@MotorsportDiesel 2 жыл бұрын
@@calphis Thanks, did your machine have inch or metric ball screws?
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
@@MotorsportDiesel Mine had 5tpi or 0.2" pitch all around
@billstrahan4791
@billstrahan4791 2 жыл бұрын
Where are you, I want to come see this and pick your brain on the conversion! I have a VMC15XT that I want to convert
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
I am in a little rural town about a hour away from Franklin/Nashville, TN. Though if you're not anywhere nearby I'm happy to make another video showing how I did the conversion, what hardware was used, and wiring it up, etc. In fact, I was planning on doing so anyhow. There is only one part I had to make -- the rotary encoder mounting adapter for the drive motor feedback. It's just a disc of aluminum with 3 critical dimensions then drill the 3 mounting holes. It could be lathe turned manually with not much problem. You could probably even 3d print if your machine is dialed in well, it's not under high mechanical stress other than the rpm and the coupling should be done with a flexible coupling anyway due to the high rpm. Fusion 360 design link: a360.co/3HE9aM9 I'll make a rough video soon with just an overview at least but long term I'll make a more detailed walk through of that machine conversion. Thanks for stopping by!
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and this is the encoder I used that fits that design. It's a cheapo one, but it works fine and the accuracy level is more than acceptable for the kind of work I do. Based on the leadscrew pitch on my machine at least, my math shows I can get 0.0003" per pulse. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MX1SYXB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@billstrahan4791
@billstrahan4791 2 жыл бұрын
@@calphis I actually spent a bunch of time in Shelbyville, South of Nashville. I'm in Dallas. I would love more videos, but once you have the ATC working I really would come visit. I can fly into the nearest municipal airport. I've subscribed to your channel so I'll reach back out as you get further along and then try to come see what it really takes to do the conversion to LinuxCNC.
@tempvid_upload4225
@tempvid_upload4225 Ай бұрын
@@calphis Great work you have done here :) I would love to see a bit more details as at some point my VMC will need a retrofit too for various reasons. Any chance of showing another video with details?
@jensparrow27
@jensparrow27 2 жыл бұрын
I subbed to get info on the retrofit linuxcnc. Following
@calphis
@calphis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by! Things are busy around the shop but I will do my best to get this out to you guys as soon as possible.
@alexandrucosmin90
@alexandrucosmin90 2 ай бұрын
Hi do you go further with your conversion? I’m interested to start converting mine with ethercat.
@calphis
@calphis 2 ай бұрын
Well, it's complete now. But I used 7i33TA and 5i24. Works great doesnt' need anything.
@alexandrucosmin90
@alexandrucosmin90 2 ай бұрын
@@calphis also the ATC?
@calphis
@calphis 2 ай бұрын
@@alexandrucosmin90 I haven't finished that part yet but have already inspected it. There is a belted motor that slides the carousel towards spindle, another that rotates it. There are two inductive sensors to indicate position and carousel index. The original main board of relays that activate the motors can be controlled with 5V I/o from a Mesa interface. So should be very simple to wire up.
@calphis
@calphis 2 ай бұрын
If you go down the pins of the relay board ribbon connector you can isolate which one turns on each motor
@alexandrucosmin90
@alexandrucosmin90 2 ай бұрын
@@calphis do you have also hi/low and rigid tap?
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