Fake Videos & RemoteID will kill the RC/FPV hobby!

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DZARO

DZARO

10 ай бұрын

74 Gear recently released a video titled "Drone Flies into Flight Path of Commercial Airliner", caliming that it is good example of a phenomenon called "wake turbulence".
This guy obviously does not know what he is talking about and in this video I am showing you why he is 100% wrong about everything that he said on the topic!
No sources havce been provided, the video is fake and there is only one possble culprate behing this agenda: RemoteID pushers!
I don't usually make content like this, and this is probably the first and last video on the topic, but I could not resist discussing it as it can potentially have terrible consequences for the RC and FPV community!

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@unrealfpvdroneproduction4357
@unrealfpvdroneproduction4357 10 ай бұрын
We should put Remote ID on knives, and then all robbers will be presented to the public on google maps, but at the same time we will sell ordinary knives because we will not be able to ban them. That way the government will 100% implement the plan to reduce knife robberies, hahaha 😅
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@ghettogardens1
@ghettogardens1 10 ай бұрын
No one has a right, especially a government agency, whether in public or not, to force a citizen to wave their constitutionally protected rights (4th, 5th, 6th Amendments) and submit to, without probable cause and/ or a 4th Amendment warrant, government tracking, surveillance, and control of a citizens private movements while enjoying a hobby, all while collecting and recording evidence that can, and will be used against a citizen in any FAA prosecution against them. I’m sorry, but It doesn’t get more unconstitutional than that!
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
I'm not from the US so I'm not very familiar with the US constitution. I do belive that you have a point though and what you are saying is very important! Essentially, the FAA wants our hobby to be safer by increasing the level of surveilance over it. The thing is that the hobby is mostly home-built stuff and if someone wanted to cause harm, they wouldn't use RemoteID on their equipment to begin with, making the technology utterly USELESS! My concern is regarding the safety of the pilots who could be attacked in the UK and may even end up dying as a result of a stabbing whilst having their stuff stolen. There is a lot of knife crime in the UK unfortunately...
@702Wolfi
@702Wolfi 10 ай бұрын
That video is as real as a donut. Happened back in 2018 on approach for runway 26L at Las Vegas McCarran airport. Here is a longer version: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oOCIoNubrMjJeZ8.html&t The drone wasn't much affected by the wake turbulence because he dove down behind the tail of the airliner. Less turbulence in that area.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
If this were recorded using DVR, the image would be better. I have seen the DVR of all digital goggles and this video is potato image quality for a reason (hint: it's fake). If it had been recorede using a GoPro, the image quality would have been even better. I'm sorry that you can't see that video is fake. I don't care about the FAA's investigation because if the FAA investigates on the grounds of fake videos they are idiots, it's as simple as that. The other thing is, noone was found responsible, but you are welcome to take a wild guess as to why that is the case (hint 2: it's fake and such person does not exist). I'm happy to have the debate if you can show me the original video, the linked video that you provided can not possibly be the original video. In order to slow it down like the guy did, you would have had to record at 120 FPS. There is no GoPro that records in potato image quality at 120FPS!!! This is why I'm saying that the video is fake. It's the same with UFO videos, they alway apear to be shot from a camera of the re-launched Nokia 3310. Do you want to know why? Because it is expensive and difficult to make VFX look hyper-realistic in HD footage, especially in 2018!!!
@michaelbowman6301
@michaelbowman6301 10 ай бұрын
I just like to repeat that I've been flying the sport of FPV drones since 2012 and I've been living here in Vegas since 2015 so will you believe this is fake then you obviously never been flying in Vegas with us old pilots who had to live through that B.S@@DZARO
@702Wolfi
@702Wolfi 10 ай бұрын
@@DZARO Probably a old Mobius camera with a greasy lens that he strapped to the battery.
@maddercat
@maddercat 10 ай бұрын
Yes this was posted 5 years ago. I 100% believe it was real. Good logic about the direction of roll though. I think it was just a maneuver to descend though not to do a yawspin. Also there was just a guy that got federal prison time for violating the airspace of manned aircraft multiple times so you can't say no one does this. 5 years ago though is probably way past the statute of limitations so it doesn't matter, as well as there not being as many drone regulations as there are now back then. Kelsey's also played flight simulator for several of his videos so he knows what a simulator looks like. He gets these videos sent to him, so he may not have done research on where it was from as well.
@bluefpv3263
@bluefpv3263 10 ай бұрын
@@DZARO there is tons of jello in the video from the camera beeing badly mounted or a bad tune on the quad pretty sure one wouldnt go that deep to fake a video that got jello in it that only other fpv pilots would recognize as beeing as normal in amateur fpv footage at that time
@billmcdonald4335
@billmcdonald4335 10 ай бұрын
The drone should have dropped like a rock, not flip into an inverted yaw spin. The wake would have overwhelmed the drones ability to maintain altitude or directional control. It would have dropped, translated to the right, and ascended - all while being more-or-less level. 747 pilot's ain't drone pilots, and he's off his reservation; he has no appreciation for how a small drone handles.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100%. According to the wake turbulance produced by a plane like this, the drone should have spun completely out of control because as you said, it would have been overwhelmed by the vortex created on the right side of the plane. Instead the drone rolls in the oposite direction and then does a trick on top of everything else. If anyone saw a plane coming at them like that, the first thing they would think of doing would NOT be an inverted yaw spin!!!
@photonik-luminescence
@photonik-luminescence 10 ай бұрын
I actually did get approached by a guy one time but i always fly my small ordinary under 250g drone wity my father. In Germany things can get interesting but after checking the laws, toy drones under 250g with a name tag are allowed to be flew. Yes there are some restrictions as certain alltitude (not more than 100m) and you need to be registered with a small sign on your drone giving the pilotd adress. But you don't need to get a drone flying license (for under 250g). So i am legally covered and when the guy saw that my drone is registered, he walked a way. A Neighbour tough doesn't really agree with my drone take offs (Although i know the laws). Regardless tough it is annoying that people fear so much about hobby drones like we would spy on someone 😂. I just don't understand what they think we are doing with a drone. I checked alot of resources and the office law website after drone laws in Germany and getting a drone licence is not required for drones under 250g (which is good).
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
99% of us just love looking at the world from above because of that FPV perspective of the world from the sky and the scenary that you can see!
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
Since you obvously speak German, I'll do a video in German for you soon hahaha ;)
@photonik-luminescence
@photonik-luminescence 10 ай бұрын
@@DZARO 😂, that's funny. I actually am romanian but laws in Germany can get more complicated. It's generally interesting as i saw that the limit can still vary and sources say that between 250g and 500g can also be flew as it counts as A1 category. I actually went to my local alocation and town hall and they didn't eaven know what to say about it. Honestly, i fly my drone happely and i am legally covered and since my drone went trough a online test, i enjoy flying with it. VR is really a cool feature and the perspective of above is just really nice and cool. It's so sas that people (somehow more elderly people) think that we spy or try to use drones for bad things, although in reality we just like to have fun. I guess it's assumed that our new generation is too waky and reapectless and we fly drones to spy or something. The real problem is what cultur "thinks" we do. I actually got screamed at by a neighbour for flying my drone.
@bluefpv3263
@bluefpv3263 10 ай бұрын
if you got a camera of any sort on the drone its no longer considered a toy (even below 250g) and you need insurance aswell as a pilot ID on the drone and there are some restrictions where you can fly as you said no higher than 100m, not close to airports, traintracks, waterways or nature reserve e.g.
@photonik-luminescence
@photonik-luminescence 10 ай бұрын
@@bluefpv3263 yes, i should have mentioned that too. It's pricey too.
@winder6
@winder6 10 ай бұрын
Great video you make a lot of good points. 👍
@iwontreplybacklol7481
@iwontreplybacklol7481 10 ай бұрын
Pilots have been flying for decades upon decades with birds and have never been scared of flying, but they see a multi copter toy and they lose their freaking minds.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
It would be worth to test what is harder, the bones of a goose or the arms of a quad. I'm not sure which one would be more damaging to a jet turbine. Rolls Royce should at some point carry out those tests and then we will all know!
@dronessuck
@dronessuck 10 ай бұрын
This video was real i even invited the pilot on my live stream but he said no, however fantastic video thanks for uploading!
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
Of course he said "no" because if he said "yes" he would have turned out to be a total idiot! He faked the video to be cool, then realised what kind of a dumb idea it was to fake somthing like this and now we all suffer the consequences because of one brainless idiot who made a fake video. PS: Whilst you talked to him, did you manage to ask him where he found the potato image camera by any chance? It looks like it was recorded on a Sony Ericsson W850i Walkman Phone from 2005!
@michaelbowman6301
@michaelbowman6301 10 ай бұрын
You really should watch the whole video of this, all of us who remember this when it happened can tell you that we weren't happy here in Vegas, the pilot who posted the video claimed it wasn't his when he was confronted from the FBI and the FAA about this video, the FPV community here in Vegas does not condone this type of flying and we tried policing ourselves really hard on other pilots to understand the consequences of losing the sport we love so much.This video was 100% real and I could tell you the person responsible for it doesn't fly anymore.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
Firstly, the whole video that you are referencing does not exist. I've searched everywhere for it. There seems to be some version of the video which shows where he took off, but that's it. So let's a assume the video was real. Why is it filmed in potato image quality? If he just used goggles recording, which is 720P, the video would have been a lot better. I hear what you are saying and I'm sure the guy deserves all the trouble in the world for posting a fake video like this, but it just seems odd to me that in 2018, when we already had 4K recoding capability, the best that someone was able to make was this potato quality video. It simply makes no sense to me. Having said that, I did consider the possibility of the video being real, in which case it is absolutely moronic and the person who flew the flight should be banned from coming anywhere near a remote control device. The problem I'm discussing in the video is that there is far more evidence in my eyes suggesting that the video is fake than that the video being real. That's all I'm saying.
@carnagefpv8256
@carnagefpv8256 10 ай бұрын
@DZARO potato quality recording is what happens when a video has been copied and sampled and reposted to youtube 500 different times before you see it. The video is real dude, get over it. There are several of us in your comments who were literally in the group it was originally shared in when it forst came out. The guy claimed he "found an SD card" or some dumb shit when confronted by the feds because the video went viral. The original was significantly better quality than most of what you can find online now, and the original was taken down for obvious reasons. Don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp. Also, Yes 4k existed then, however most of us were still flying sessions or session 5s at this point, so chances of it being recorded at 4k 60fps aren't exactly good. Make all the arguments you want about it "looking fake" but any of us who are OGs to fpv and not some noob who's just trying to ride the wave on KZfaq, know you're absolutely full of it🤷‍♂️.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
@@carnagefpv8256 Fistly, relax. I was no able to find an original when I saw the clip on a completely different channel, neither am I riding some sort of imaginary wave of yours. I couldn't care less when the video was made. My comments of the video were mostly about 74 Gear's bad interpretation and analysis of wake turbullence. That was it. Admittedly, this did lead me down a rabbithole as to why this video, which did seem odd in many ways, was being posted now. I'm in the RC hobby for over 17 years now and with the FPV since 2013 (not really a noob as you would call it). Also, if you look at my channel, I post a lot more educational and edited content with various types of drone footage, so chill out, all is with best intentions ;)
@maddercat
@maddercat 10 ай бұрын
Yes this was posted 5 years ago. I 100% believe it was real. Good logic about the direction of roll though. I think it was just a maneuver to descend though not to do a yawspin. Also there was just a guy that got federal prison time for violating the airspace of manned aircraft multiple times so you can't say no one does this. 5 years ago though is probably way past the statute of limitations so it doesn't matter, as well as there not being as many drone regulations as there are now back then. Kelsey's also played flight simulator for several of his videos so he knows what a simulator looks like. He gets these videos sent to him, so he may not have done research on where it was from as well.
@DZARO
@DZARO Ай бұрын
Yeah, I should have done a little more research on this before posting the video. It just seemed so incredibly fake!
@californiasomething
@californiasomething 10 ай бұрын
the problem you're describing with the esp boards is a federal crime here in the US and the FCC takes it very seriously.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if that is the case actually. For ADS-B, I know that it is for a fact, but is the same true for RemoteID. I'm not 100% sure. If it isn't, should it be? Well, that's a whole different can of worms... The real question is: how will anyone from any three letter organisation be able to prove beyond doubt that a certain device belongs and was made by a particular person? Anyone could do it. This is why I'm saying that RemoteID is completely pointless. It would be much better to educate people on the usage of drones rather thans geo-fence them like farm animals. In my opinion there is no point to this because bad actors can and will always exist. The trick is to catch them before they do something stupid, not whilst they are doing it. Plus, this whole idea about maintaining line-of-sight is such bullshit. It is obvious that this rule was created by some 50+ year old idiot who flew a couple of planes at 86MHz back in the day and has no appreciation or understanding of long-range technologies and it's capabilities.
@californiasomething
@californiasomething 10 ай бұрын
@@DZARO I can tell you have put a lot of thought into this and I did enjoy your video. You do make good points. At the end of the day, any willful or purposeful radio interference, interference to licensed operation from unlicensed devices is a federal crime. you're not wrong that anyone could do it, but this probably at least does help create an entry barrier and makes the punishment more real whenever it IS able to happen. The tech we have now isn't caught up to the rules but one day it will be. I think that the rules were considered by a committee many times over, not just one OM.
@DZARO
@DZARO 10 ай бұрын
​@@californiasomething Thank you for your comment. My sole purpose of making videos is to get people to think independently and not just soke in and accept information fed to them from their environment. Althoug this topic is much more philosophical than RC-related, I think that it is important to discuss the potential consequences of RemoteID in a grand scheeme of things, rather than just trying to play wack-a-mole with idiots. As you know, there are many more moles than hammers, so the game is a loss 100%. RemoteID will be of no major benefit for anyone. Those who love and enjoy the hobby will accept it so that they can keep practicing it, and those who ignore it will just ignore it and continue to do what they do. The other question is how much power should a governement have over its people. This question keeps coming up in our part of history time and time again. It is sad that the goverements we ellect end up suffocating the society we live in, which in turn produces the problem we have today. It's all just a negative feedback loop, i.e. a circle of shit with no end or improvement in sight. Whilst I agree with your that a federal scrime is acting as a deterrent, I still think that education and knowleghe (especially regarding potencial consequences) are much more powerful than fear. Fear only helps as a method against those who experience it. Newer generations are becoming more and more fearless, so whether or not something is a crime is not the question, but rather if you get caught. In any case, it is interesting to see how people think on this topic and there is no better way, than to start a discussion one way or another. :) PS: I know that it is discussed as a committee, but that committee's actions can be represented as one grumpy RC guy in his 50s or 60s trying to live in the "good ol' days", metaphorically speaking of course.
@MJ-bj1gn
@MJ-bj1gn 10 ай бұрын
@MJ-bj1gn 1 second ago I would totally agree with you (I‘m an fpv pilot, too) but sadly the video is real. (m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oOCIoNubrMjJeZ8.html) It‘s from 2018, but I don’t get why 74 Gear talks about an incident that happened 5 years ago
@kidShibuya
@kidShibuya 10 ай бұрын
wow this video is bad.
@DZARO
@DZARO Ай бұрын
Kinda true! ;)
@carnagefpv8256
@carnagefpv8256 10 ай бұрын
Dude. The video is 100% real. It was taken on the approach to Mccarran airport if I recall correctly. The guy that made the video was a regular in multiple fpv groups on fb, and had to deal with the feds after it went viral. How do you not know the source of a 4+ yr old viral video? Didn't even watch the rest of your video since you can't bother to do the research on what you're posting. Be better.
@rreiter
@rreiter 10 ай бұрын
I agree, although the quality at altitude is so poor it looks like it might be ortho, the first couple of seconds are fairly clear while the drone takes off.
@carnagefpv8256
@carnagefpv8256 10 ай бұрын
Just to clarify, I'm not condoning flying around full scale aircraft, or saying anything about the commentary of the video. I just think it's a bad look when someone who is part of the community is "debunking" a video that anyone who's been flying longer than 5 years knows was absolutely 100% real. If I missed the OP actual objective here, that's my bad, but as an FPV pilot, this was definitely a very real thing that many of us were very concerned would lead to a huge backlash against us, which it for sure did, but luckily other things popped up in the news cycle and moved the limelight off of us.
@rreiter
@rreiter 10 ай бұрын
@@carnagefpv8256 yup.
@sightline4004
@sightline4004 10 ай бұрын
"how do you not know the source of a fake video?"
@squaddingquads
@squaddingquads 10 ай бұрын
This videos from around 2017, I'm part of the OG crew
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