I also have my D700, the color is amazing ! You wouldn’t want to adjust in LR .

@@vanlee0831 Yes. I never adjust the colors. Just viewing the files in LR is a treat. The colors and the clarity amaze me (when I get the shot right.)

I sold my D700 (Great camera THEN) 15 Years ago

Courage? hahahhaha

Yes I still enjoy the colours of my f mount lenses. Issue is it’s hard to use in combination with z glass for consistency. But the z8 and zf are amazing ability cameras

Yes. Your right with the golden nostalgia. The body stabilisation and smaller lighter bodies are great. Maybe the next z body will squash my issues

Haha. Well said.

Since the z8, it is the camera I've been waiting for to squash some of these points

The f2? It does look a good compact lens. Though I have the 50 1.8 so not much different maybe

Go gor Lumix S1 serie.

Manual might be ok for leisure but for a wedding. No way lol. But your right. Z bodies are nicer to use despite the issues

Good points, though I feel Nikon have gone the wrong direction as they are known for their rich true colours SOOC, but now I feel that isn't true with mirrorless. Also have a combination of old and new lenses which don't really suit each other properly as much as I like mirrorless advantages of shooting.

Yes I didn’t know it existed either but is an interesting mix. Hard to find a good deal on it though

All of the z-zooms are better than the f-mount zooms, I don't think anyone disputes that anywhere. For primes it's a totally different story with a lot of varied opinions.

Yes that’s an amazing lens. I did a review!

Sounds like a good balance. See my videos on the 58 1.4!

@@russandloz thanks! I’m in love with my Canon RF 50 1.2 (sharp but magical) But I’m looking into Nikon 28 1.4 🤘🙌🏻

I have a video on that lens too! I use it for every wedding!@@nagual2335

@@russandlozgreat thank you I’m on it

It’s a a good idea. Harder in the winter

Now that’s an interesting comparison. Difference is the z9 is worlds apart from Nikons other mirrorless bodies.

Is the look significantly different?

@@russandloz for nighttime club shoots, yes! Having lower ISO produces overall better images. The 1.8 isn't that good in low light unless the subject is somewhat lit. But the 1.4 is simply still amazing.

@@russandloz also i like the rendering and bokeh better than the 85 1.8 z .

I agree the 1.8 z lenses do have a strange look about them despite their sharpness and nice size. If I was to go back to dslr it might be the d780 which is best of both maybe

You could possibly consider the d780, which is hybrid of mirrorless and dslr. For auto eye focusing with birds and people, the zf, z8 and z9 are incredible now too

Yeah but can we add it in editing?

​@@russandloz Sure, Why not?

Matt Granger has done a few great comparisons already. Very balanced review. He prefers the 105 too

Yeah they have their uses, I'm learning to use different lenses for different shoots

Exactly. How is the 58 on the z system to the dslr? The ftz is a bit awkward with heavy lenses too. Bit of a strange time

@@russandloz It's quite a light lens so it balances very well on the z6/z7 and especially the z9. It had a reputation as being a bit unreliable focus-wise on DSLR, and needing a lot of AF fine-tuning for optimum sharpness. So those problems are solved automatically on a mirrorless body. It's weakness is that it's quite soft any wider than f/2. Newer f- mount lenses such as the 28 and 105 are more or less perfect. Sharp enough wide open but still with the rich colours and gorgeous bokeh. The 58 is less optically perfect, but it has more character as a result.

@@tomattridge325 thanks for the info. I’ve found a great used deal for £600 I might check out for the 58

Yes, I think it’ll be a popular thing to use “old” tech in the future for that reason

Yeah. They have the 1.2’s on z but they are big and heavy. I’d prefer 1.4’s too

But they will still have a cool clinical look on the z lenses. Guess editing can correct it but seems a step backward

Yes I need to get out there again after winter!

@@russandloz I just think if you’re taking good photographs, that’s going to transcend any subtle quality differences you see between different cameras and lenses. Assuming, of course, that your gear reaches at least the minimum quality threshold. And I believe that the Nikon mirrorless cameras and lenses fully meet my quality requirements. Maybe for you, not. 📷😃👍

Yes I am hoping my f mount will be even better but it wasn’t bad before really. Interesting to see how my 200-500 does. I know what you mean about using plastic over metal but at the moment I prefer lighter equipment

There does seem to be a big divide between people who love mirrorless as they are and people desperate for an update

@@russandloz After my first week (many years ago) with mirrorless, my conclusion was similar to your arguments. Posted a post about this on a Nikon page and was flabbergasted.

@@rotvonrat Mirrorless has several good features, but certainly doesn't feel complete yet (apart from z9 maybe)

Yes I agree. The z bodies are out of date now for faster focussing needs. Maybe the z8 will address that

Not sure about the z lenses but it’s a similar story with the canon rf glass. I do think the 50 1.2 rf lens has a very unique rendering though.

Hi. You mean the lenses are better on dslr? If so what way?

There are several advantages such a being smaller and lighter. But sure, the d800 is a very capable camera

This was filmed with the zfc using the 28 1.4 as I’ve talked about during the video as it’s my favourite lens 😊

That is a good deal, not sure I'd know what to do anymore!

I wonder if the z9 will suit you, supposed to have great bird eye focus?

@@russandloz I did my research and there's two things that are a deal breaker for me personally. First and foremost, the Z9 user must toggle between three (minimum) different area focus modes in accordance with the scene that develops at any one time. If you happened to be in the wrong setting then you missed the shot. Yes the camera is great in acquiring and maintaining accurate critical focus BUT you have to be using the appropriate focus mode,.And this , to me again, is a headache I could happily live without, and caused me to have that "disconnected" feeling while I was using the Z7II.. The second is the fact that I spend long periods of time looking through my OVF observing and anticipating animal behavior . The associated time lag with the EVF , although the Z9 suffers the least from , is again an issue . OVF is still my preferred system , all day long. What you see is what you get, simple!. And then the Z9 will demand a new set of very expensive glass , which with the F mount I either already own or would be cheaper and more readily available for me to acquire. And all the changes involved with jumping onto the Z9/mirrorless train will not realistically substantially make me any better of a photographer or help me make any better images for that matter. There still are lots of photo contest winning images today that have been made with the D4 and the D810s! Therefore my conclusion is that if the new gear cannot help me make significantly better images then why change a tested and proven system?

Yeah, those 1.4's are a dream, not so much with the imbalancing ftz

Yes I’m appreciating colour tones like with skin tones that seem more pleasing. Though really could we say as long as they are good photos capturing something the clients will be happy. Content is king?

Nicely put. I’ve just got the 58 1.4, focus does seem a bit slower on mirrorless so far. But results are good

@@russandloz The 58mm is very artistic but you have to stop down to f2 or keep the subject closer to the middle of the frame in order to have a sharp set of eyes. Somehow it keeps the special sauce even when stopped down to f1.8 - f2 though. It's a nice small lens and also really great for nature close ups. Enjoy!

There is something Romantic about vintage lenses. I recently tried the Brightin Star 0.95 range which has an interesting look

@@russandloz exactly. Try Nikkor 58mm f1.2 and the fog of daylight secondary to its magnificence bokeh makes your pictures and videos like seeing your dream in real life… nothing comes close to it.

@@babakrad4438 I didn’t know there was one? What is its classification?

@@russandloz It is Nikkor Nocte 58mm f1.2 Ai-S made in 1977-78. It is the fastest Nikon lens so far until Nikkor Z 58mm f0.9 presented. I still don’t think that Z mount giant lens is even close to mine. That Ai-S lens in mint condition is around 10,000 USD. I had an offer of 12,000 AUD (Australia) and didn’t sell it.

@@babakrad4438 wow ok. I’ve used the Nikon 58mm 1.4 g which was nice too

The Nikon z 40mm f2?

Yes the ftz is annoying but it can't be smaller as it needs to be that distance from the sensor to work lenses I believe

I guess the character is in the editing now

I think I’m being nostalgic too and forgot the advantages of mirrorless. Maybe the next body will squash my issues with it. Interesting about the 58, I’m so tempted to try it but it sounds only suitable for slow paced portrait

@@russandloz The 58 G has gorgeous bokeh, but use it on a mirrorless Z camera to overcome its focus shift problems. Don't. Be tempted to use it on a D780.

@@gbye007 Yes I was hoping the 58 would be improved on mirrorless. Have you experience with the lens? Interested to know about sharpness and if it is really much different than a 1.8 s

@@russandloz It's a lovely lens. Not very sharp at f/1.4, but good enough. It's the rendering that's great. It works well on Z cameras, because you can rely on focus accuracy. Many peoples say it's too soft, but it's designed that way - it has uncorrected spherical aberration. Get it if you can find one for a good price. Great lens for weddings I would say.

That’s the plan! Thanks John

Those lenses are amazing. I use them on my z8. But they will have a better look on a dslr. Which body do you have?

@@russandloz Now I'm using Z6 II, also my second camera is D780. From Nikon, I only expect z6 III or z7 III, as the autofocus system does not suit me. Z8 in Russia is a very expensive camera, unfortunately I can't afford it yet. There is no decent middle segment of cameras, and this is sad.

@@russandloz The only possible reason the Old lenses look better on a DSLR because of the old Nikon sensors I guess. Which is your fav DSLR body? (I own D800 (and Z6ii) )

True to a certain extent, but the lenses very much have their own character too. I loved my d850@@nagual2335

@@russandloz for sure but I meant that the only reason the old lenses look better on a DSLR rather than the new Mirrorless, is the older Nikon sensors. Obviously the old lenses have a lot of characteristics regardless if you mount them on a DSLR or mirrorless. Also there’s a lot of talk about the old Nikon factory in Japan, who made the classic lenses we love so much - Which does not exist anymore. My own theory is that great 1.4 glass is expensive to make, therefore Nikon released the 1.8 (easy to profit as the manufacturing cost isn’t high) and the 1.2 (to be able to charge 1.2 $$$ to cover the high cost) 1.4 is expensive to make but not as profitable, that’s my theory. Let’s remember that the classic glass we all do love is 1.4

Yeap, thats what's tempting me. same for the dslr's.

Prices have gotten me into glass I didnt think Id ever have as well.

@@johncooper9746 Same. which ones?

@@russandloz 105 1.4 , 20 1.4 ,50 1.2 manual and an upcoming 800 5.6 Id really like a 200 f2 but cant begin to justify it.

@@johncooper9746 the 200 is really heavy? But may come down in price as time goes on

Yeah i've looked into the D lenses, they don't autofocus on mirrorless with the ftz?

@@russandloz no, they don't. But they are cheap, some have great bokeh and rendering.

Some f mount lenses have it?

Not sure I could survive on 12 megapixels lol

@@russandloz You'll never know unless you try! 😂

might want to go check on him 😁

@@barnowlwoodworks1690 good idea ! 🤔😬🙄

This is the type of video that needed to be shot with both of you together! Would have loved to hear Loz’s counter argument.

@@vinliberato9218 yes we need to do it !

You leave him alone with the video camera for FIVE MINUTES.....

Yes the 50 1.8 is so good and nearly as good as the 50 1.2! I am curious to find a deal on the 58 1.8 to experience the best character lens made! Sure the 2.8 z is amazing. Though sometimes looks over sharpened and clinical for me. For travel I actually took the 14-24 and the 28 1.4. Both optically wonderful but too heavy

A lot cheaper too no doubt?

@@russandloz Not as much as you might think. Great lenses will always be expensive. Even a 50 years old Minolta 58mm f1.2 Rokkor in great condition can be $500. The D810 camera with around 1000 shutter actuations was of course a lot cheaper than 10 years ago, but also close to $900.

How do you mean Steve? Do I seem down? I probably am with the weather

I really don't want to be intrusive or pretend to have more insight than is the case. However to me, you seem less happy than you have been. Your speech is probably slower. The ideas you have expressed signal discontentment. You are having difficulty motivating yourself despite the really faboulous gear that you have and wanted. You perhaps want a bit of shopping therapy. You give the impression that you might be a bit down or perhaps you need something else in your life other than photography. Wishing you well !

@@scotimages Your pretty much right, I’m not a good winter person so hopefully spring will bring me to life. 😊

I find the 50 1.8z very close to the 1.2 version, so that would have been a better comparison which we've covered in a previous video. But sure the 1.4g wasn't good really if i remember. I also forget that the z system is almost silent which is great for wedding ceremonies and more importantly the in body stabilisation for low light work. It really is a mixed bag atm, hoping the next body will make it a clear choice. But then the lenses will always not the look I like..

@@russandloz I feel like you didn't really read my comment but perhaps that is my fault, it is long. The 50mm 1.2S and the 58mm 1.4 (note the EIGHT here, the lens you talk about potentially adding to your kit in this video) is the appropriate comparison. These are the two portrait focused primes in the general focal length. The 50mm 1.4G, 50mm 1.8G, and 50mm 1.8S are general purpose lenses and not very relevant to this comparison. You don't have a video comparing the two, but there really isn't a need because the 50mm 1.2S is vastly superior to the 58mm 1.4g at the expense of size, weight, and cost. The reason that Nikon's midrange mirrorless bodies and their best ever DSLR's are "close at the moment" is because Nikon has yet to release an excellent midrange mirrorless body. Sony and Canon have. In Sony's case it happened five and half years ago. The other reason is that there are no native Z FF f1.4 primes. When we have those things, Nikon mirrorless will have well and truly surpassed Nikon DSLR's. Sony and Canon reached that milestone years ago. It looks to be 3 or 4 years before we see Nikon pass the same mark, which makes the D780 tempting. As you noted though, giving up IBIS feels like a big step backwards.

I very much enjoy the z8 and zf which are solutions to the issues I had in this video. Some f mount still have nicer renditions but sure not as sharp. You won’t need to put about upsetting people if you remove words like stop whining. But you make good points otherwise 😊