The lack of finer details is probably down to the fact you'll never normally see them as anything but shapes in the sky. The fact they even have a top half to their model is honestly strange, since, again, you'd never see it. That said, your redesign looks great.

It has a pretty obvious defensive turret blister at the center rear of the wing. It makes perfect sense with the early cold war inspiration as many bombers of the era abondoned most defensive armament in favour of a single heavily armed rear turret, see aircraft like the B-52 or Tu-95

About the vertibird interceptors. I think these bombers are supposed to be much bigger than they're portrayed and fly much higher too, small size and low altitude could be just a consequence of engine limitations.

You did my favorite Fallout vehicle justice! My theory on defense is the weird, rearward facing canopy in the middle of the wing is the crew station for remote weapons in the tails of the fuselages.

You forgot the Messerschmitt BF-110W, two BF-110 joined by wings and with five engines

The real life vehicle it reminds me of most is the He 111Z Zwilling. It's also a dual fuselage bomber featuring segmented glass cockpits right on the nose.

Dual fuselage is coming back in style. The Roc and White Knight 2 being two examples.

I think the bomber is also inspired by the Tie-Bomber from Star Wars, and might actually have a bomb bay in one fuselage, and crew in another

The lack of fighter escort was something i noticed early one, but you mentioned the trails they leave behind and now i can never unsee it. But my head cannon was their was defensive weapons but we just could never see them as the simulation wouldn't need to render them. Its a powerful system making a "realistic" your goanna need to save on asset coast on performance as much as possible cant have Americas next big war hero getting his brain fried when the "Anchorage Simulation is not working" error message comes on putting your newest soldier in a comma.

Now, I think one real world plane that should have been mention is the Heinkel He 111z. Which was the twin-fuselage version of the Heinkel He 111 bomber. Now, the Heinkel He 111z was actually not intended as a bomber, but a tow plane for transport gliders. There is a reason why did not become a popular bomber. The F-82 Twin Mustang did however have a pretty good record, unlike most twin designs. So the concept can work. It was still a specialist. So as much as I like twin-fuselage planes, it seldom there is a reason for them and the reasons tend to be niche.

I presume the reason why the Vertibirds don't try to intercept the Dual Dragons is because Vertibirds weren't actually there in the historical battle (and, indeed, wouldn't be on any battlefield until 2072 - five years after the battle of Anchorage). Evidently, General Chase was willing to fudge the numbers by letting the Americans have Vertibirds, but (presumably) the Chinese having had bomber support in the Alaskan theatre was well-known enough that he couldn't allow his simulated double to use them as effectively as a real general might have.

While we never see anything alongside it, and I’d be willing to write that off as a simulation limitation, I don’t think they were entirely defenseless. The superfortress did have some iconic turrets after all

The reason it doesn't have any defensive armaments is probably because they based the design off the idea of Jet Bombers, which actually don't normally have defensive weapons. I know their are a lot few of them on War Thunder and they use flares and speed for defense since missiles are their main worry at such a high rate of speed.

Love your channel. The over analysis of Fallout vehicles helps me aid in my own creation of atompunk vehicles

I am pretty sure they carried a very hefty payload on a certain october morning in 2077 Here they serve more in a tactical role the way i see it, they wanted to take out the americans without causing excessive damage to the infrastructure of Anchorage in order to keep the oil flowing wich would negate the use of large conventional or even nuclear munitions But i personally like to think that the bomber fleet spotted over the bering strait on october 23rd 2077 (mentioned in the switchboards DIA terminal in fallout 4)was a large formation of these planes with large strategic nukes trapped to their middle wing

Since these planes are nuclear powered, it would be pretty interesting to have one fuselage as a giant energy weapon, I imagine it as a ring of diodes around the mid section of the craft that can just disintegrate anything it passes over in a wide cone.

What if you did a series designing military vehicles that would work in fallout?

This thing's wacky as hell. This plane also reminds me of a German aircraft from World War II: the Heinkel He 111Z "Zwilling". The story behind this is pretty interesting, but the short version is that in around 1941 the Germans had this massive transport glider, the Me 321. The problem was it was so big that no single plane could tow it aloft, you either needed two He 111s or three Bf 110s flying in tight formation to tow it into the air when fully loaded - anyone who's actually flown planes in tight formation will tell you just how dangerous this is even WITHOUT cables behind your planes attached to a heavily-loaded glider. The proposed solution to fix this? Take two He 111H-6 airframes, and weld them together by the wings side by side with a fifth engine inserted in the middle, and use it to tow the Me 321. Ultimately it proved unnecessary when the Germans did the sensible thing and just put engines on the Me 321, creating the Me 323. Consequently, only a few prototypes of the He 111Z were ever built (with all being used operationally but none surviving the war); while bomber and recon variants were considered, it was too slow and its range was too short compared to more promising projects like the Me 264 and He 177. Yeah, I know, overthinking a problem and developing an overly complicated solution (before somebody inevitably points out the simple solution) is practically Germany's national sport.

Haha I love the video as always dude, but my God that sound effect of the pilots shooting the other plane from in the cockpit scared the shit out of me😂

Excellent video PS: i like how you just casually namedrop working on the f35.

man youre the only youtuber to tag fallout's crazy vehicles! nice job bro

Believe it or not, if the aileron is directly behind the center wing, that will cause the bomber to be a bit unstable and hard to control due to some complicated math about air pressures that I hardly understand. But the main thing is that planes like the P-38 have their ailerons slightly higher than the center wing relatively speaking in order to help the aileron generate lift and actually function as an aileron

Dude, I'd love unit patches with that beautiful warbird on! Even one with the Stingray!

Fun fact, China actually was able to get ahold of ten Tu-4's in 1953. There are two surviving examples of the Chinese Tu-4 one of which was turned into an AEW system. The other surviving example is shown to have some form of unmanned drone slung under the wings. Interestingly, the Chinese military fitted all of their Tu-4s with more powerful turboprop engines. The aircraft are painted with the same white as seen in the game, only missing the red strip on the leading edge of the craft.

Nothing better then kitbashing a sci-fi vehicle out of an existing real one.

This was so cool to see!😀 also good art💰

WWII was a wild time. The Germans took their He-111 bomber and turned it into a twin airframe craft so they could tow the huge Me-321 glider, before they developed it into a six-engine plane.

Always wondered about those bombers. Great video! I also think the model looks a lot like a Soviet Kalinin K-7 bomber (with all the random fallout modifications of corse)

The F82 actually isn't really a combination of P-51 fuselages.. It shares less than 5 components with the P-51D, only minor components, not even the wheels, props, or engines are the same. Learned that from the XP-82 Restoration!

The Chinese bomber makes me think of a "cold war" Heinkel 111 zwilling.

You worked on one of the F-35 Assembly lines? Wow! Thats very cool.

Your redesign is pretty nifty, I like it!

I would have said the P-51c dual feulsilage design but that was just a prototype and not a lot of numbers. There is also the WW2 Folk-Wolfe Fw-189 but I believe that was a recon plane that was pushed into a bomber roll

i love in your redesign you left the defensive armaments makes more sense that way though a good sub for the tu-4 good have been the he-111 a german bomber of ww2

Amazing video as always Dingo!!

Just subbed to you! Really love you covering background probs most people wouldn't think twice about.

HEY!!! IM SAGE AND I AM LIKE A HUGE AVIATION NERD and I've been wanting to work for Lockheed Martin for over 3 years, I've made my own indigenous light attack design- and of course its a bit goofy, because I'm just a teenager- but I feel really proud of it because I spent a lot of time calculating things such as bypass ratio and fuel consumption to thrust-weight rates. Anyways, I just find these videos of yours really cool and I look up to you :D

Nice this is probably one of my favorite planes which honestly deserve to be expanded on

The twin booms would make since if it was given amphibious capability. Then China could rearm the planes with submarines. Crossing the Pacific in ground effect would be efficient and stealthy until it presumably climbed to nuclear combat altitude.

One piece of machinery we don’t see much of is the sort of combine harvester, I know there’s one south of sunshine tidings Co-Op, and then beyond that there’s just a few tractors here and there(I think the one on the train near the drive in theater even has something hitched to it) but the agricultural equipment also looks interesting, might be a nice aside like the trains

a pro of a twin-fuselage aircraft that is made of a aircraft already in production and service is that introducing this new aircraft would cause (theoretically) less strain on the logistics of your airforce.

One big benefit for a warplane having two separated fuselages is it would be less likely the pilots in both cockpits could be incapacitated at the same time, like from a flak shell exploding or a machine gun burst from an enemy fighter, allowing the plane to likely be able to still carry out it's mission. This would benefit a bomber most of all as they were known for taking alot of damage around the target area where the enemy would often focus their AA firepower. If you look at survivor bias diagrams of WW2 era bombers you can see that damage to the engines and cockpits were the most likely cause of a lost plane, so double the engines = less likely the plane will be lost and same logic with the cockpits. We also know from the fighter pilots themselves that they would target the cockpit in a very fast headon pass to limit the amount of time the bombers defensive armament could fire back. But in modern day combat... you could give the bomber 20 cockpits and one missiles fired from 40 Km away is still taking it out instantly so I think its time is up atleast for warplanes.

you make incredibly niche content. im so glad that its my niche lmaooooo

With the advent of laser weaponry in Fallout, there is no really good reason why bombers shouldn't have a few defensive weapons present to defend against incoming missiles and enemy aircraft. With significantly less computer power needed to have one hit compared to a gun system all you'd need is a fast enough gimballing system,a radar capable of picking up incoming missiles,and enough power to fry an incoming SAM or A2A missile. Same with a fighter coming in to use guns. Given a protectron with civilian grade sensor hardware inside of it can hit a man sized target at a decent distance (even if it takes a few shots), one with military grade sensors hooked up to something like a gatling laser with the sole job of "shoot the incoming missile" should be able to effectively protect a bomber against an incoming A2A or SAM. With a few extra to cover for blind spots. This might actually explain why most of the fighter aircraft we see lack missiles too. The advent of military laser technology might actually have been the partial death of military airpower in Fallout's timeline too. Before the lack of fuel started to set in,its fully possible that earlier generations of laser weaponry where developed and deployed as anti aircraft/missile systems. While not as compact as say a AER-12 Laser Rifle,these theoretical early generation systems might have still been capable of sweeping the skies of fast moving aircraft and even standoff munitons. Given that stealth aircraft didn't really become a viable thing until after computer hardware surpassed its fallout counterparts,laser emplacements coupled with beyond visual range SAM sites likely made air operations suicidal affairs outside of low intensity/counterinsurgency operations. Which given how the Chinese are depicted in operation anchorage makes these bombers fit pretty well. Cheap, old designs enhanced just enough to increase the range because the PLAAF doesn't expect them to be coming back home after using sheer numbers to overwhelm the US AA laser defenses. Its likely why the US bombers seem so obselete with the massive B-52 esque design seen at Megaton (this is minus the B-29 in FNV, thats just an oversight on obsidian's part), Strategic Air Command likely also did the math and decided that either the first round of ICBMs would be enough to break the Chinese air defense grid or that the bombers would have to basically get through on sheer numbers alone to have a hope of hitting any important Chinese targets. And given that most of the US side of the resource wars was spent bombing poorer countries that didn't want General Atomics/Posedion Energy strip mining their country and paying pennies on the dollar for their resources (if at all), or occupied Mexico or Canada, they really didn't need to be much more advanced then a 1950s bomber. That all being said it doesn't excuse the stupidity that is the Stingray Deluxe Military Variant's design. The CIA/Enclave/Vault Tec must have been dosing Lockheed Martian/Northrop Grumman's engineers with DMT and Meth when they made that one.

If you want a more Soviet based aircraft (Copied by the Chinese) the H-5 would be a good pick. It's copied from the Soviet IL-28 jet bomber, which would also retain the "boxy" aesthetic the FO3 Chinese bomber has. Not to mention that the H-5 was also nuclear capable in a separate variant as well. Also on another note, It could be speculated that the Chinese bombers did have fighters off the map. Being that the Xian-85 fighter is mentioned in New Vegas, and that if heavy bombers are being used to such an extent in Anchorage, the fighters could be patrolling farther out to maintain Air Superiority against any US jet fighters. I feel like if the Xian-85 fighter was shown it would resemble a MiG-19 or 21.

Prob gonna mention this but chances are the Chinese bomber was more inspired by the P/F-82, the BF-109Z and the Heinkel He 111Z (Zwilling) given its similar appearance to the 109Z and 111Z

The lack of fine detial definalty dosn't help with filling out the airframe. One thing to note is that canonicaly china has runout of fule reserves, which means it never susefully invaded the philopine's and so avation fule is running short. likwise the american airforce has also had its avation fule reseves decemated with the seazing of Ancorage. so not many aircraft would be able to be airborn. It was only the USA's availablity of nucler fushion engines that alowwed civel aveation to continue to the end.

2:00 f82 twin mustang i love the p38 man but f82 luv

Germans mated 2 bombers, the HE11Z, Z for twin.

The real life plane it reminds me of the most is the soviet Kalinin K-7. Mostly in it's wing and horizontal stabilizer shape. Especially when looking from above. Btw, when you look up pictures of it, don't fall for the overbulit fake render. The real one didn't have a naval turret on it - _ -

From He-111 zwilling to He-111 bing chilling 😳

Wow o really like the twin tupolev Chengdu bomber. I have to say that actually germany in ww2 make a twin fuselagebomber mixing 2 heinkel he 111, and also speakingabout germany the horten 229 fying wing had jet exhausts over the airframe but didn't set everything on fire (and actually the 229 was made out of wood) because it has some kind of special alloy on the canal of the exhausts just like the f 4 phantom and maybe the chinese bomber could use te same to prevent unwanted aerial fires

vertibird would not be targeting jet planes. IF the bomber has any guns, it would shred vertibirds. The only hope is teh vertibirds missiles. Vertibird would have maneuvarability, but lack speed.

Honestly having researched aurcraft design, I'd wager that the engines would be best tucked next to the fusealges to concentrate thrust, and the main bomb bags situates in the twin fuselages with the center as a heavy hardpoint

awesome art really great Chinese bomber hope you keep making videos cause these are great

It has some similar design solutions as Kalinin heavy bomber

I think a big part of why it's lacking so many details is both the era the game came out and thus model limitations.. but also the fact that.. let's be real; they never expect you to see them as more than just small shapes in the sky. So it's more than likely they simply didn't bother modeling n rendering aspects of the craft you simply wouldn't see without console commands. If they ever remake the Anchorage simulation in Fallout 76? I'd imagine they'd be way more detailed.

See I alway thought these things were controlled on the ground then it being piloted in the air, a bit like the tanks

Didn't Germany make a glider like this in ww2 to allow them to invade Britain, they ended up scraping the idea and instead put 6 prop engine's on it to transport tanks

You talk about historical context and forget about any twin fuselage aircraft that actually would approach the purpose of a bomber? Like the He 111Z?

Damn no mention of the Bf 109 Z-1

As far as i remember the tu-04 was a design brought in through the landlease programme of ww2.. and the chinese made their own knock off based off of stoled tupolev designs

I just wish we knew the size of the bomber compared to the tiny model we get in game, was it a heavy bomber? A tactical bomber? did it fly from china to alaska or was there a nearby base? If its a medium bomber you could use the Pe-2/8, or even the Ar-2 (which very much follows the shiney aluminum styling of the chinese bomber), Fantastic as always dingo, I dont have much to say here because you hit all the marks! :D

Reminds me of the Tie bomber

Love this content

Actually the chinese bomber could be inspired by the he 111 zwilling

Could you maybe do more videos that focus on a battle such as your operation anchorage video, maybe the first battle of hoover dam or even maybe the second depending on your playthrough, or like maybe even the fallout 3s brotherhood vs enclave battles in the main story line, or maybe even do a video analyzing the enclaves walking, ship, platform, base thing

The lack of defensive armament is likely due to the fact that most modern bomber aircraft lack defensive weapons Because wtf is a 50 cal gonna do when your enemy could ping you from 9km out with a magic missile Take the Canberra B Mk 2 for example It was a british twin engine jet bomber it lacked defensive armament primarily because it was designed as a high-speed, high-altitude bomber, optimized for flying at altitudes where it was believed to be safe from enemy interception during its service in the 1950s and early 1960s. At the time of its design, the prevailing thought was that high-altitude flight would provide sufficient protection from enemy fighters. Additionally, it was believed that speed and altitude would be its primary defense mechanisms. However, as air defense technology advanced, it became clear that defensive armament was necessary, leading to later variants of the Canberra being equipped with defensive guns or other countermeasures. So we can presume the devs followed that design philosophy

Nice video. I always look foward towards these vehicle analyses. Have you considered covering the aircraft of fallout new vegas? Such as the mcarran cargo aircraft, and the jet plane at searchlight airport

he was build by composites.

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2 B29s welded together?

Anchorage shall be liberated

It was only 3 b29s that landed in Russia in 1944.

>shits on dual cockpit designs >praises Virgin Galactic’s use of it

What are your thoughts on the Boulton Paul Defiant

now I want to see a Fallout Great War Flight action game

Good lord what is that

It doesn't look like it would fly. Way too tailheavy.

What about the bf109 z

Yo the fact that you sound annoyed that you are interested in something so dumbly designed has me rolling. Me too bro. I love making fun of vehicles in games, you can tell when the graphics designer has no idea about vehicles. “Like yo is this driveshaft connected to a turbo?!?! Fantastic!”

Chinese falling wing

whats one of the silliest facts you can throw at the fallout series? well ruhrstahl rx4 and ruhrstahl rx7 where guided rockets with the rx4 being a guided air to air rocket and the rx7 being a guided anti tank rocket. why is it a silly fact? because both rockets where used during WWII.

Why are V-Tail gliders gone extinct

Most, if not all chinese vehicles were the only vehicles that made sense in the fallout universe...

If they’re Chinese why do they have Soviet stars instead of the PLAAF logo?

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Your remake is really disappointing, it has to be fallout like design based on ussr/chinese models and you pick stolen US bomber design... Also idc if you wrote code for f35, first half of the video feels like 5 years old ranking his favourite planes.

you know what? you arent perfect. but youve earned a sub because frankly, i adore that there is a little group of people here that all appreciate absolutely meaningless things like this in games just as fucking much as i do. and i bet half of you play some sort of sandbox game and have some meaningless small craft or vehicle youve tried for hours many times to recreate in it because you just adore it so much. just like i have teehee.

china did have tu4s them shelfes

Tu-4 x 2 = this monstrosity