Danse: “no matter what decision you take, know that I won’t judge you.” *kills maxson* *Danse hates you and starts shooting at you*

You disobeyed my orders. Have a promotion.

I don't want a promotion to paladin, maxson, I want that dang sexy coat

After 1000 reloads later, I finally saved him..

If your having trouble with the speech check, theres actually some grape mentats in that room to boost your charisma by 5

So Danse sorta got the Parthuranx treatment

Before Blind Betrayal: Maxon: Danse is one of our best paladins out there. I'm happy to see he's training you. After Blind Betrayal: Maxon: KILL THAT MONSTROCITY!

"How to save Paladin Danse." Refuse to kill him, pass speech check. Simple. I will save him on every playthrough, even if I do one where I side with the Institute. Even if he hates me, he'll be alive.

I think this would have been a little better if it weren't dependent on speech checks, but rather if you could collect evidence and have Danse give testimony based on your travels with him, maybe even support from others like Haylen. It'd be more interesting to confront Maxson's prejudice with material evidence and support within the Brotherhood, rather than a simple speech check. Kind of like in an earlier fallout game where you defeated another ideologue that couldn't be talked down on moral grounds, but rather on hard evidence that their conclusion was incorrect...

Only one question remains about the Brotherhood...Do Paladins, Danse?

Maxson does have a very awesome looking coat... maybe I'l come by and get it as well..

Elder Maxson made valid points because the Institute was responsible for the kidnappings, murders and settlements being wiped out but Paladin Danse took a lot of risks, made many sacrifices and decisions that saved Brotherhood soldiers. Even though, I see both perspectives, I think saving Paladin Danse was the best option and will always save him for every gameplay, even if I have to side with the Railroad & the Institute to get his companion perk.

if only you could kill maxson, and make danse the elder.

I gotta say, this was one of the most powerful scenes I had the fortune of witnessing in this game. There is so much raw emotion, and both sides give really great arguments. It doesn't feel like a cheaply manufactured plot. The developers actually used realistic gestures, instead of the randomized ones when most characters speak. People put their SOULS in this scene. And it really shows. I grew fond of Danse in the short time I knew him. And I was very pissed off when Elder Maxson wanted me to kill him. I was bound and determined to keep Danse alive. I knew the Elder would be waiting for us outside. I knew it wouldn't have been that easy for us. Elder Maxson convinced me...like a REAL person. And I wanted to give into denile. I knew he was right. But I still didn't want to kill Danse. He actually made me question my own decision. Even in the aftermath of winning the argument. The ending was SO realistic... I honestly don't think there is any other way it could have ended perfectly. I was very impressed.

Man...the voice acting HERE is by far the best in the game. I almost felt like I really was in the moment of the situation.

Step 1: Side with BOS or Minutemen (give Network Scanner Holotape to Maxson) to eventually acquire Blind Betrayal quest. Step 2: Max your Speech. Step 3: Convince Scribe Haylen to reveal Danse's location by promising to hear him out. Step 4: Go to the Listening Outpost where Danse is, refuse to kill him. Step 5: Refuse Maxson's order (avoid Aggressive dialogue option and have Charisma-Speech as high as possible). Done.

That pause at 3:36 is so damned fitting. It really elevated the emotion of the scene/situation. It felt like the player was letting the reality of allegiance sink in before sinking with the reality.

Too Bad A Deathclaw Vs Yaogai Fight Didnt Happen While Maxon Was Talking

Originally there was a mission that would trigger after sparing Danse where Elder Maxon would call you out like before. Only this time you are given the option to challenge him for title of elder. This mission was fully completed, recorded and programmed but was cut from the game as it conflicted with the final mission. After challenging and defeating Maxon he will no longer be present during the final mission. Because his speech is what flags the door to open at the beginning of the Nuclear Option mission it leaves you stuck in that room. However, with this mod you control the BoS, choose to spare or destroy the Railroad, you have access to Maxon’s private quarters, Maxon’s Power Armor, it gives you a means to get the Final Judgement Gatling laser and Maxon’s kickass coat.

Why the hell would the Elder of the Brotherhood of Steel go out into the Wasteland without any power armor and without a bigger escort besides just a vertiberd? That's just asking to be shot and killed on the spot.

*Persuasion Failed* Me to maxon : sorry little one ... *grabbing my fat man*

Danse is Gen 3 synth so before he "synthified" he was a human

Anybody else thinks Quinlan looks like the medic from TF2?

I would find it hilarious if Maxson was a synth also.

Ironically even though the brotherhood hates robots, they act like them. Obeying arbitrary orders that even the elder feels weird about. Even if danse is a synth, it's not like he would choose to help the institute

When I did that bunker scene with Maxson and Danse, it was past midnight and was raining. The emotional weight of the scene was more intense as you see these characters soaking wet from the downpour amidst flashes of lightning and thunder roaring in the background........ and my character, she was naked the entire time.LOL Thanks Bethesda.

I think synths are sentient beings, but still, both sides are convincing and have good arguments. They even have unique gestures here. I wish game developers would put more effort in the rest parts of this good in its own way game. Just love this scene. Both Maxson and Danse have great voice acting and voices.

The real danse was snatched up and replaced in the capital wasteland. We already know that coursers are in the capital wasteland from playing 3. As for whether to save him or not...well that is moral dilemma. I would say to save him.

This was one of the best parts of the game and people are complaining about speech checks. This situation made me remember why I put some points into charisma. It’s pretty realistic you’d need some high charisma to sway Maxon’s decision.

Danse: You've got to kill me, there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it! And I'll go on about this as long as we need to! I've made my decision, and so has Elder Maxson! You: ok well maxson's wrong Danse: OMG you're right!! silly me 😳😳

Is Maxson a synth ever since he can be so relentless and emotionally distant from some of his best paladin's? Does he even know it himself? Tell me what you think...

I thought fallout 4's story was meh but this quest definitely made me feel some type of way.

[Sarcastic] "Wait, he's a robot?! What else has he been keeping from me?"

“I don’t care if he is a machine or not, he is still Danse” Yet here you are killing all other “machines”

Cause Pete don't care who's meat he chops...

It really doesn't take that much charisma guys. Just try it you will see.

One good tip: Go do the whole Trinty Tower quest and get that suit that guy gives you, so far, it's the only suit with max charisma I've found, by max I mean 3 also it's called Reinalds Suit

Thank you guys for all the views, likes and comments! It is thanks to all of you that it is worth it to make videos.

When Danse said do it I kept picturing him as palpatine

They legit put grape mentats in the room where Danse is hiding in, it's clear what choice they want you to make lol.

Danes is a nice guy and saves many lives

Maxdon: Danse is a synth SS: Yep Maxdon: And he undermines everything the brotherhood taught you and stands for SS: Yep Maxdon: And so he shouldn't exist. SS: makes sense to me Madon: so kill him. SS: I wont do it.

12:44 YOU ARE A TOY!

That's the ending I aspired to have but didn't know how to go about it. This gives me so much peace watching this ending. Danse was a great character and was sorry to see him go when I found him already gone in the bunker before I arrived. 😔 Thank you for making this, its great to see what could've been.

What really worked for me: 1 - eat the Grape Mentats on Danse Room. Then follow the video tip. 2 2 - After earing the mentats I convinced Danse when I talked about my family. Then, eat one more Grape mentats before talk to Arthur.

Quick save before you leave listening point bravo! 6 points into charisma and I managed to persuade Maxson on the 3rd attempt

I am still pissed they cut the option to challenge Maxson as Elder.

I had 10 charisma and still failed to convince Maxson

There was gonna be an alternate ending to this quest where you and Paladin Danse go back to the Prydwen and you have a battle to the death with Elder Maxson so that you become the new Elder.

8:50 Danse is actually Sole Survivor's grandson *(as Generation 3 Synth)* , because of *Shaun's/(Father's)* DNA being used in their creating. fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Synth

when u pick the " I already lost my family I won the argument

Cool, I've never seen this mod before, what's it called? "Fallout 3 graphics"?

I thought the story twist that Danse was a synth was pretty surprising actually

Thank you knight, for saving me.

Steps 1. Spare Danse 2. Make Arthur listen to you 3. Tell him to leave him alone There you go

Ad victoriam, brother

Although the Brotherhood's stance on synths is correct, I wanted to save Danse. I tried this and it wouldn't work. I took literally every pathway and every pathway ended up with Danse dead. Granted, I haven't leveled up my persuasion, so I couldn't choose all options, but even when I was forced to kill Elder Maxon, Danse ended up dead although Elder Maxon wasn't even close to killing him. So basically if you don't level up your persuasion, there is no way to save Danse to my understanding and experience.

I killed him in my first play through thinking there was no other option…..

This video was recorded with my previous gpu, that's why the graphics look like crap;)

See this right here is why I consider charisma the best S.P.E.C.I.A.L

I swear maxon makes blowing up the prydwyn even more cathartic.

it would be cool if danse was a mercenary in the next game like mcready

i can say the graphics have definitely improved a lot over the years

Omg. There's a simple explanation for this. Danse is the human that the synth was copied from!! That's why the DNA matches!! If I could make a quest mod, that's the ending I would make.. 😥

I had terrible charisma so I had to reload the save like 10 times until I finally did it and I wish that they didn't cut the choice out for Danse to become elder because I would much prefer Danse being elder than Maxson.

“I Need to Be the Example, Not the Exception” 😢

Maxon is so cold he doesn't even feel sad to have to kill Dance

This game may get a lot a flack for not being good, but that voice acting for elder maxson is amazing. You can hear the real enthusiasm and devotion to his belief bringing this character alive. I also give credit to the animators taking the time for his movement. Sorry just wanted to share something good about fallout 4.

after Far Harbor it would've been interesting if we could force/convince Danse to replace Maxon.

After I was forced to kill Danse, I literally went back to the Prydwen and slaughtered EVERYONE. It took a lot of stimpacks but it was so worth it

Honestly? I was shocked to find out about Paladin Dance , but if you think about it, in the beginning something was a little off with him ,. I remember when he stayed behind. I had no idea. I chose to save or spare him.

How to convience Maxson 1. Invest in Charisma throughout the game Or 1. Obtain and equip a suit and a formal hat 2. Get drunk 3. Grape mentats are OP and broken, use them

It's all about charisma it's the most important s.p.e.c.i.a.l perk

That Bromance though!

I never went through this mission. I used the Minutemen to destroy the Institute and Danse stayed my companion through it all. I remained in the BoS and stayed the General of the Minutemen. I also destroyed the Railroad with Danse as my companion. Sweet!

I killed all the Synths, until my eyes saw the beautiful Curie and asked me to kill paladin Danse .... so fuck the brotherhood

Those textures.... You are probably some pc master race

The promote scene makes no sense if you save him. Hey we lost the "traitor" but you let him live so here have a promotion in his place.

I think i just got danse to cross the border and hes safe now and nick now admires me! Hope danse gets out safe and sound....

This warms my heart even though this is a video game

He just hackin and wacking and smackin!

ty for saving me!

The biased developers definitely stacked the deck against BOS to a ridiculous extent

i didnt like how Maxson dropped his values in this quest it didnt make sense

If you don't side with the brotherhood on building the teleporter and getting the data encrypted proctor ingram will just stand in one spot and talk about her power armor. Find Doctor Li in the institute and upload the holotape into the terminal to get the institutes data before you talk to the railroad about having been to the institute cause they will give you a holotape just like the brotherhood and it'll mess up the brotherhood questline. It's best to establish contact with the railroad for main quest molecular level. You can skip going to Dr Amari go straight to the old north church down into the basement and input the code railroad to get through the door heading straight to Desdemona to have the Courser chip analyzed then deal only with the brotherhood until you've completed Paladin Dance's quest which will become available after brotherhood quest Liberty Reprimed. Upon completion of Blind Betrayal do not go and see Lancer Captain Kells but instead go work for the railroad until you do half of the Underground undercover quest then you can start doing institute quests and there's a way to do the Mass Fusion institute quest without becoming enemies with the brotherhood leaving the option open to still side with them and blow up the institute. Doing things this way will allow you to see things from all factions perspective and get the most out of the main story

So I guess danse joined the brotherhood and they never gave him a physical? Until now? How could they not know he was a synthe for his entire military career??? or otherwise he was replaced by a synth at some point in his career in the brotherhood. And the details of that fact would be really pertinent and significant to the story and to the reality of the situation they dropped the entire concept. Because in order to fool the brotherhood they would have had to make a synth that was just as committed to the brotherhood as the original danse was which is tactically no better than having the original danse unless you're trying to make the point that a synth can be ethical which sounds exactly like something father would do. Except that it means killing the ethical man to replace it with the ethical synth in order to prove the point? Unless it was just a combat death and father was somehow being compassionate by trying to replace dance without getting attacked by the brotherhood itself? Convoluted

When I played through this, I'd at some point traded with him and took off his cowl and put it back on. Then I looted his uniform... And was unable to put it back thru his power armor. So then when I got to this point, seeing him through the window at the bunker... He was naked! I think it added something to the scene tho. This is the moment where he's the most exposed and vulnerable. It really worked for the scene.

I love how Danse literally risked his life for the Brotherhood multiple times yet Maxson still wants him dead cause he's a synth

God I love Maxson

So if u go back to the bunker can u recruit as a companion again? Also can u send him to a base by double swapping him with a different companion?

How many charisma points do you need to keep dance alive? Once i had 9 points but i couldnt save him

The voice actor for Proctor Quinlan sounds so familiar is it the same voice actor who played Alister in tomb raider Legend and underworld?

I never noticed before but... Danse sounds a lot like David Caruso. Guess Bethesda wanted Peter Jessop to emulate that sort of voice. As for this quest, this is why I abandoned the Brotherhood and finished with the Minutemen.

I'm crying

My question is what would happen if you gear dense out after this conclusion, armored vault suit and heavy combat armor with MK VI X0 1 power armor and just mosey on up to the airport, will danse retaliate to the attacks? Maybe let the companion seek vengeance we think he deserves, on his own. I may have to try for myself

Maxson is such a douche I can't ever get thru the BoS quests. I just gotta kill all of them.

Just started playing fallout 4 and joined the brotherhood of steel now I know to put more focus on speechcraft ah I mean charisma thanks bud

I didn’t have 10 charisma but still got to save Danse

Killing him is saving him. Synths are machines, and dangerous ones at that

I like how at the end of the day they all still think your an average person after seeing the godly power of a cheat terminal or just plan old carnage with a fat man/big boy