17:41 Preston: I cant believe you just stood by and let Maxon murder your friend. Synth or not he deserved better from you. *Also Preston: walks on danse*

I just want to hear Paladin Danse say "To infinity, and beyond!" dang it!

The real tragedy to not having the fourth ending is the quest could have been called "Danse Danse Revolution"

The voice acting between Danse and Maxson and the mocap is so good.

Brotherhood: executes trusted member after finding they are a synth Also brotherhood: let’s nick valentine, strong, and Hancock on board with no questions asked

I have a mod on my NCR Ranger mask that allows me to see synths in-game. I always wondered why Danse was showing up (glowing) as a synth...

There's a cut quest called "Elderly Care" where Danse challenges Maxson to a dual for control of the Brotherhood of Steel. Danse is scripted to win, and after that he tries to convince you to become Elder, which you can You can also pass a red speech check to convince DANSE to become the new elder, which if you pass he does. I really wish they had kept that quest in the game and if there's a mod that restores it I want it

There's actually some subtle foreshadowing about Danse's true nature: Both in the Cambridge Police Station and aboard the Prydwen, there are terminal entries that reveal Danse has been having frequent headaches, been unable to sleep properly and experiencing abstract nightmares when he did. Probably a malfunction in the Synth Component, or whatever process was used to wipe/reprogram his memories prior to him joining the Brotherhood was botched, resulting in the aforementioned headaches

We can Danse if we want to.

Maxson: "Flesh is Flesh. Machine is machine. The two were never meant to intertwine." Says the man with cybernetic implants.

10:25 its really amazing to see dance and maxon with special character animation like pointing at something or body language as they speak wish every fallout 4 NPC/character was this detailed

Danse IS a security risk, but as al alternative- to honor his years of service I would pull him from active duty and assign him to a controlled access position as an instructor, and make himself available for non-lethal medical testing for learning more about Gen 3s. He would have no access to weapons, armor or secure areas but could still serve the institute with his wealth of knowledge and experience. Elder Maxin DID say technology needs to be controlled- and I think that Danse would be happy enough to still serve the brotherhood.

I think the reason Maxson allows Danse to live is plain as day, and Maxson says it himself - it's because of the Sole Survivor. At the point in the BoS questline where Blind Betrayal takes place, the SS has proven themself to be every bit Danse's equal, and even superior. The SS cleared out Fort Strong, restored Liberty Prime, and even waded into the Glowing Sea to get Prime's nuclear payload. The SS is invaluable to Maxson, the greatest soldier to ever be seen by the Brotherhood, and he can't risk losing them over one synth. So that's why Maxson allows this one Knight to convince him to spare Danse's life; he sees the potential in the Sole Survivor and can't lose that.

I love how you’re just talking about the brotherhood of steel while you’re killing everyone and blowing up the prydwen in the background

This quest meshed so well with how I RPd my first character. I played her as being obsessively in denial of the whole Shaun thing, and hellbent on revenge. She collected every toy she came across, even if she had to drop more valuable items to do so. She with the Brotherhood. She romanced Danse. She understood who Father was, but refused to acknowledge him as HER Shaun. She blew up the Institute. She hunted down the Railroad. ...and then she decided to spare and hide Danse, despite hating all synths, because he was her emotional crutch. She justified it as a temporary coping mechanism, and her due reward for destroying every remnant of her old life, for the Brotherhood's cause. That playthrough is still one of the most memorable, compelling character stories I've ever played, and I kind of lucked into it with a couple self-imposed RP choices. Not sure the stars will ever align so perfectly for me again, lol.

I always convince Danse to not kill himself, then pass the speech check with Maxxson to spare Danse as well. While Danse does present a possible threat down the road, he's also innocent in all this. He didn't know what he was. Yet, he still served and saved Brotherhood members and has genuine feelings/thoughts. To off him seems wrong. He does so much good for the Commonwealth in general.

Damm, Danse is so badass that he said “ad victoriam” even after Maxson had cut his throat

"He wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother" Good thing every human mother is loving, huh..?

This probably won’t be seen but on one of the early missions you go with Danse to a building with a bunch of Synths in the entrance. You can hear/see one of the Synths say something like “Destroy fellow Synth!” and they start shooting at Danse and you.

Elder Maxon is such a good character. Definitely the most interesting leader out of all the factions

Oxhorn:*is slaughtering everyone on the prydwen* Also Oxhorn: What if the institute makes Danse an assassin?

*says any technology that's gone too far must be destroyed* *builds a 50-foot tall robot that throws mini-nukes and one-shot kills vertibirds with its eyes*

10:28 Is the start of the best dialogue between two characters recorded for Fallout 4. The tone, the anger, the pain, it wrecks your heart having to hear this argument. The way they both make gestures too, in sync with the anger in their words... Its truly beautiful honestly. Great writing and directors for this scene

oxhorn: "maxons brother hood of steel is fanatical" railroad:*sweats like hell*

Never understood how the “Danse is dead” lie was supposed to work. How does Maxson tell the troops he’s been killed but also order them to shoot him on sight? Every time the troops see Danse it proves Maxson is a liar.

I`d love to just look at Maxson and say "How do you know *you`re* not a machine?"

Just as Scribe Haylen said "... Machine or human he is still danse ." I didn't want to kill him and I didn't kill him because how I saw it Danse is Danse.

I know I'm late to the party, but I think you've missed a spot, mate ! The elder's name is Arthur. Danse is a Paladin. The Knights of the Rounds were paladins. Danse is fucking Lancelot. As if it were not enough, Prydwen is the name of King Arthur's ship in a Welsh poem. As it is fitting to Lancelot, even if his sin toward his king is carnal - sleeping with Guinevere or being a synth is pretty much carnal to the root - he stays loyal to the bitter end. When Lancelot affair is discovered it leads to a civil war. I don't think the Bethesda writers were concerned about how the player would react. This whole quest is pretty much a carbon copy of Chrétien de Troyes version of the story of Lancelot and Arthur.

It would have kicked ass to have been able to become the Elder of the Brotherhood. Meanwhile, in Skyrim... *Tolfdir:* Well, we somehow didn't blow up half of Winterhold again, but the Archmage is dead. I know I have seniority around here and generally have "wizard headmaster" written all over me, but I think you should be the new Archmage. *Dragonborn:* You do recall I'm not even part of the faculty, right? I'm a _student._ Heck, I'm not even good at magic, I solve most problems by stabbing them. *Tolfdir:* Eh, details.

(pulls out Fat Man)... (Immediately quick saves)

Danse is switched during the museum of witchcraft mission. You return the egg to the nest and he hates it. While your back is turned, he's snatched and replaced. When you take back the egg from the best after returning it, synth danse hates it

Danse is like the Winter Soldier. A good man that can be turned against his brothers by the flick of a command.

Maxson: he wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother! Cait: Neither was I, what's your fockin' point! If only...

I just love how Maxson talks and yells at Dense as if he was a human istead of just shooting him right away

To be honest when i was forced to do this quest, i has build up a friendship with Danse already. Yet, finding out that he had been replaced with a Synth made filled me with sadness and rage… i know i could have tried not to kill him, but at that point i had been blinded by my rage and proceeded kill him… the realization that i killed my closest friend in game led to me feeling like i messed up big time, like they might order me to kill my other companions… so, with that, i took Danse’s suit of Power Armor and left the Brotherhood behind. His Armor won’t be used though, instead I set it as part of a memorial alongside the legendary Laser Rifle he gave me after clearing out Arcjet…

Honestly I think they left the “cop out” option there because without the brotherhoods vertibird rides, Survival mode goes back to freaking walking sim 2077.

I find it funny how they allow curie a synth and valentine a synth and strong a super mutant all of which do not like the brotherhood to go into their headquarters without being shot on sight yet a man who has devoted his life to the brotherhood and has won many battles for them cannot

WAIT so if I am correct if you are a part of the institute Father AKA shaun (your son) says that they used his DNA to make synths.... So isn't Paladin Danse technically YOUR SON?

By far, the best and most compelling quest in vanilla Fallout 4. It truly shows that, yes, Danse is a synth, but he's more than just a machine. Everyone has a compelling argument. Even Maxon, saying how at any moment, he can suddenly snap (with Institute interference) and kill the Brotherhood. Great writing for this quest.

I do think that Blind Betrayal would be more impactful if after you do convince Maxson to spare Danse you are banished from the Brotherhood for insubordination. It would make the decision to save Danse feel like it has weight rather than the, as you describe, cop-out that we got in the game.

Magic human sauce?? Did you mean... ...The milk of human kindness??????

I like to think the Paladin Danse we see in Blind Betrayal wasn't the same person we met at the police station, because I don't believe the Brotherhood wouldn't be able to figure out he's a synth over the amount of time it would take Danse to become a Paladin. I say he was human when the recon team was deployed, but at some point was killed in action and replaced by a synth when the player isn't looking. It doesn't make executing him easier, but at least I'm not killing the Danse I met.

That epic speech between Maxson and Danse is so badass i keep listening to it all over again!

I love how Preston is there on the ship when people are thinking “hey isn’t that the general of the minutemen”?

"How can we trust? The information from the institute?" Made a save. Killed Danse. Checked is inventory. Reloaded a save.

17:43 I love how Preston walks out full on morgan freeman narrator style

This quest really hit me hard especially when Danse told you to kill him.

Thank you, Ox. You allowed me to learn of the extra ending, and use mods to make it whole again.

The dialogue between Maxson, Danse, and the Soul Survivor is some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard.

Note, That Arthur Maxson Broke The Chain Of Command By Giving You, A Knight, A Direct Order By An Elder.

I believe Maxson would allow Danse to live after being convinced by the sole survivor because they were the only reason the brotherhood got anywhere in the commonwealth at all, they got the brotherhood so far, and they're now a necessary member of the team, thus he does not want to risk them abandoning the brotherhood over the execution of Danse, fearing that they may otherwise team up with the railroad and destroy all their work

Thanks so much! I activated the quest for Mass Fusion before giving the holotape to Proctor Ingram and can't therefore complete Blind Betrayl. I had read that but watching the outcomes is very rewarding!! I appreciate this very much.

*Paladin Danse, the time has come...* *Execute order 66...*

I swear Danse has a built-in toaster

I could never bring myself to kill Danse. I believe it's less of Danse being a synth, and more some kind of powergrab in the BoS. I mean, we make friends with Nick, so why not Danse

Your content is awesome man , you always look at all possible angles before making a solid stance on a situation. Keep up the great work !

I always felt like Bethesda missed a opportunity for a plot twist; betray the Brotherhood, kill Maxson, find a synth part on his body. I think it would have made a great twist to the whole story.

I learned that fact in my first run when I sided with the Institute, I shot Paladin Dance when I first met him thinking he was a raider. Not realizing my mistake I searched him and found a synth component, and I was like this- wha-what is this? Then a good two years later I watched this video and realized the major spoiler I had accidentally found.

What a good questline and story arc. Haylen standing up for Danse is so great. It doesnt matter what Danse is. It matters who he is

I just finished a brotherhood of steel play through of fallout 4 and recently did this quest finally. I decided based on my character to follow the orders to the letter and executed Danse. It was gut wrenching quest I must say.

Bethesda: *Makes the Dovahkiin have to kill Paathurnax to be able to side with the Blades* Players: DisGusTANG! Bethesda: *Quickly puts a mercy option in the Brotherhood's Blind Betrayal quest*

I had a great chance to spend a few minutes talking to Peter Jessop a couple of years ago at a convention while getting his autograph as part of my Fallout collection. I talked to him about a few of the different roles he's played, which ones were more fun or more difficult, etc. The one key question I just had to ask though was "Out of all the many memorable parts you've played, is there any one that sticks out to you as a favorite above the others, and if so, why?" (Ok, it's technically 2 questions...) - Anyway, his answer was "Paladin Danse." The reason behind it? This quest right here. He said that he loved playing the character, because especially once you got to this point in his storyline, he had become so "real" that you actually felt emotions one way or the other, and there was no way to avoid that. Our of all the parts he'd played, Danse was the one who felt most alive and not like just some fictional fantasy character or something. He had become "alive" to him, as if he were a real person, the way he hoped Danse would come across to the players. He said when he played the part, he got so into character that he felt like Danse sometimes, because it just felt so real. Put together a great backstory like this with great acting, and you get an amazing character like Paladin Danse. Just thought I'd share that with you all, as I thought it was pretty awesome, and made me love the Danse character even MORE after talking in more detail with him over some of the stuff they'd gone over in development, a few changes he had made to the dialogue to make him more personable, and so on. It was an amazing experience. (He had shown up over an hour early for autographs and most people didn't realize he was there yet, so it was a pretty empty room. Spent a good 15min talking to him, even bringing in a couple more fans to the end of the conversation. If you ever have a chance to talk to Peter Jessop, he's one of the most interesting and fun to talk to VA's I've met. (Out of doz... hmm. hundreds at this point.) Some are just way friendlier and more approachable, and he's at the top of that list right next to Scott Adsit - the VA for Baymax in Big Hero 6 - who gives awesome hugs, btw. Seriously. Ask him for a hug if you see him at a convention. Then watch his handler flail as he rushes out from behind the table for a hug.) Anyway, I know this is very late to comment, but I figured it's still something someone might get a kick out of.

If Maxson wasnt too busy huffing glue or whatever, he would have given the order to someone with less personal attachment to the situation.

It's interesting that Danse gives you a weapon called Righteous Authority. It's almost like he knows what you'll eventually have to do and he's giving you the okay beforehand.

when you have paladin danse while talking to the railroad and they say “would you risk your life to save a man even if it’s a synths?” *Paladin Danse Disliked That* *wait, what*

Outstanding.

I love that they gave the high charisma option to convince Maxson to let Danse live in banishment. It shows how aware Maxson is that if he makes us kill danse or does it himself, he will make an enemy of us: his most valuable asset and soldier besides liberty prime. He will begrudgingly let Danse live it shows the respect he has for us, and if not respect, then we can recognize that HE recognizes our value.

14:37 is one of my favorite quotes in the entire game

Preston: Come on, you don't go turning on your friends when someone asks you to. *Becomes Overboss* Preston: I want you to kill all your new raider friends. 🙃

Us: Hayden and Danse would have a nice relationship. Bethesda: Na only you can Romance the Danse.

10:45 “Machine and flesh have never meant to intertwine” Say the man that is an augmented cyborg

This guy actually makes well researched and informational videos thank you

There is a good reason Dance was let live by Maxon. Tactical. The sole survivor was there way in the the Institute. Why risk losing an asset like that. without the sole survivor the brotherhood have nothing to work with, no way in and no Intel. Letting one synth live for the possibility of bringing down the manufacturer is a more than reasonable trade off and tactically the better option. Maxon says it himself "if it wasn't for this person I'd kill you" who said that statement came out of respect. The brotherhood will still kill him on sight so they are still worried that Dance has an institute motive.

At one point Danse sayed when i went with him to the castle: The minutmen remind me of what the BoS has been before Maxson took over. So i feel like the option to challenge him, would have been quite fitting.

job well done on the story line.. maximum respect

All your videos are so well done but this one I think is the best

I personally believe that the mercy option happens because Maxson didn't want to kill Danse to begin with. He was confused and he needed to keep his role and image in check. In reality, he wanted to keep him alive. He's trusted the man for decades, he understands Danse's selflessness and redeeming qualities. He was just looking for a viable reason for the two of you.

Nick Valentine convinced me that synths can be more than just machines, he's an older generation synth and mostly mechanical but he still feels human. His mind maybe based off of a human but since being disposed of by the institute he's grown into his own person. It only makes sense that later generations of synths are even more human. The only question I'm left with is what was the point of Danse being a synth, he doesn't appear to have done anything to further the institutes goals rather he's been actively opposing them. Danse has been in plenty of situations where he could have undermined the brotherhood from within, he could have assassinated key members, so what ultimate plan was Danse intended to carry out?

Danse was one of my fave characters and I refused to believe he was a synth

6:35 this line of dialogue is so gut wrenching to listen to. Imagine finding out you’re whole life was a lie. The voice acting is on point

Brotherhood main quest *killing bos montage*

Me: Just one more video before sleep Also me: *Watches 4 hours of Fallout 4 lore*

The funny thing is I don't think Maxson is a bad guy at all. I think he really does care for the people of the commonwealth and his soldiers. And he seems fairly honorable, but honor cuts both ways. If he honors the Brotherhood, then in his mind killing his friend, whom he respects, would be in his mind proof of his honor, like a personal sacrifice for the good of his ideology. Like, how Brutus thought that killing Caesar despite loving him as a mentor/surrogate father made him seem more honorable. And Maxson is sorta right, as having a synth who can be recalled or controlled by the Institute with all the knowledge of the inner-workings of the organization would be too dangerous. I don't think he was wrong to want to execute Danse. But, the problem is that their entire ideology about human purity is wrong. It's backwards-looking, trying to strive to restore humanity as it was rather than thinking progressively about moving forwards with what Humanity is, today. The Institute, conversely, is wrong for trying to mold humanity into something new. It's extremely arrogant to think they could replace humanity with a permanent subclass of enslaved people. It's like the Spartans and Helots. Necessarily, their situation would lead to a low birth-rate and population decline, and like the Spartans, it's only a matter of time before the Helots rise up and take over. (That's the part 300-loving Nationalists forget to talk about about the whole pure masculine Spartan culture)

Wow, I can't believe this video is 7 years old. We need a Fallout 5 Oxhorn!! 😂😂

I'm honestly more scared of actual people than machines.

21:04 you enjoying yourself Deacon?

"I cant believe you just stood there and let him die" preston says as he stands on his corpse

I think synths are human. Rene Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" principle says so, so I did not kill him.

i spent 30 minutes with awful charisma to get pass those checks and keep him alive

13:29 “Master Skywalker, there are too many of them what are we going to do?

17:42 Preston walks out like he's in a PBS Special

17:43 i love how he walks out like a narrator in a theatre show

I wanted to keep danse alive, so I sat at my desk for am hour reloading a save to pass the speech check.

My first run-through i didn't pass the speech check to convince danse so i had to kill him and I literally cried for 20min because i loved going through the commonwealth with him.

I got emotional when Danse said “to infinity and beyond” truly A masterpiece of gaming

Fun Fact: In either Fallout 3 or NV you learn that brotherhood of steel are required to follow a chain of command, even the leader. Which Elder Maxon is breaking.

"I don't care if he's a machine or not... HE STILL DANCES!"

"Science outpaced humanities restraint." Its a poor carpenter who blames his tools

24:18 I WANT THIS MODDED INTO THE GAME