Semi autos are more practical, full autos are more fun

Why does the concept of a select fire switch not exist in Fallout anymore? Fallout 1 and 2 gave automatic weapons a semi-auto function and a burst function. Apparently, in the long years between games, both in universe and reality, such esoteric technology was forgotten. Useless Gun Runners.

imagine always having ammo. this meme was made by the automatic weapons gank

Burst fire is the best! oh wait...

Why buy ammo when you can find it almost anywhere? (Scrounger perk.)

full auto: close and medium distance semi auto :medium and a little longer distance bolt action: long distance it is a matter of taste

Semi auto because I'm poor af and need the most out of my ammo

With the exception of 45-70 and 7.62, I have rarely ever bought ammo. I find plenty of ammo for my guns. In survival I generally have to leave ammo behind at a settlement because I have so much. I do agree about automatic weapons being sub-optimal in survival mode because of the amount you need to carry and how difficult it is to always go back for resupply of ammo.

personally i find it hard to stock pile enough .556 ammo for a semi auto let alone a full auto

Explosive is absolutely devastating with automatic weapons and fully-upgraded perks. Also, I got a wounding minigun on one of my characters. Nothing lasts long against that, not even Nuka World bosses.

I personally prefer Semi, more per shot control is more important to being able to spray at close range.

They really should have added more features to guns like select fire modes, and the ability to change the type of ammo used (AP, incendiary, HE)

Another advantage for semi-auto rifles: Sniper perk rank 2 Every semi-auto rifle with a scope attached to it (which includes the combat shotgun!!!) has a 30 percent chance to knock an enemy down when you hit them while aiming down sights. Very useful for crowd control, and if you're using the combat shotgun you should consider that this chance counts per projectile, not per shot. ;)

on survival i'm currently using gauss rifle, mighty 10mm pistol and plasma rifle all top spec for semi auto. silenced 10mm for sneaking indoors, gauss for outside sniping and plasma for when i'm running and gunning outside. working really well for me

4:45 Briefly entered another realm of existence there.

Early game defs go semi-auto (especially on survival mode), ammo shortages can be a pretty big issue at the start for guns not taking the .38mm.

Semi auto is superior and it isn't an opinion. Semi auto is universally applicable and only hindered by ones own individual trigger finger, accuracy and the guns individual ranges and accuracy. Oozing costs more and is really mostly applicable at close to mid range. Though it is possible to mitigate that a bit with burst fire.

I'm terrible at aiming so regardless I waste ammo

You make some excellent points in this video. You forgot one thing, though. In close quarters, automatic weapons make a great “oh shit” weapon if you don’t have access to a good shotgun or melee weapon.

If you want to save ammo, go semi auto. If not, fully automatic for the win!

your whole gunslinger stuff is kinda bs as gunslinger only requires one agility so everyone can get that perk and for commando you can just get the agility bobblehead or use the special book! You can also get a good situational weapon variety using rifleman with something like a shotgun with light weight mods for ghouls in vats and a heavy, hard hitting and accurate rifle, like the combat rifle, for mid to long range engagements and a dedicated sniper (preferably the Gauss Rifle) with a scope for long range only and maybe get a supressor for it and then get sneak attacks. Long story short: Semi = more bang for your buck and weight. Better against armour. Better at range. Auto = Better DPS but a lot of damage is wasted against the opponents armour. But automatic weapons are more fun to use at close range but sniping is also very nice!

You should do a video about what happened to Rivit city. It's hinted that the Brotherhood of steel may have stolen the city Nukclear reacter for the air ship.

woah...your sound is amazing in this vid, also I like the opening screen better

I used to like Semi-auto for its practicality but now, i just want to have fun, shoot a ton of bullets until my enemies die, more dakka.

My kiloton radium rifle (powerful automatic) glitched and got 300 fire rate. The glitch didn't last forever but it was one of the best moments I had in the game.

Uhm... I just don't get why you keep talking about the rifleman perk as if it locks you into your weapon type. ANYONE can get Gunslinger as it only takes an Agility of 1 and I tend to play a stealthy Gunslinger - Sniper cross that very much uses both Rifleman and Gunslinger perks in it's build. For the efficiency reasons, I never use commando.

I love full-auto weapons in Fallout 4. The 18-A plasma gun is extremely fun to use automatically. The problem for me is that auto weapons use up my ammo too fast. Therefore I usually use semi-auto plus, it makes me feel like a true sniper

I prefer semi-auto for myself and automatics for my settlers and companions...the AI just seems to be way more effective with with automatics as opposed to semi-autos.

Puma you always come in clutch with videos when I need them, I literally just started a semi auto riflewoman build

One pro of the autos is that some legendary effects stack-up. A full auto bleeding pipe rifle is deadly.

Im literally running around in survival with a 6 crank laser musket as a primary and an automatic plasma rifle for bigger enemies. It’s working rather well for me surprisingly.

Automatic combat rifle with the explosive effect stacked with the ace operator perk with commando maxed out =Unstoppable.

I hope that if there is a Fallout 4 they make an effort to make firearms more realistic. Other than game balancing, there is no reason that per round damage should go down for full auto. That is just dumb. They should make the per round damage the same, but drastically increase the recoil of full auto weapons. Commando perk would then be used to mitigate recoil. The damage should be the same for both full and semi auto.

I roll around survival mode with automatics and have never once had to buy ammo. 3 ranks in the scrounger perk is more than enough. Even if you do have to buy ammo, just use the extra rounds of other ammo types that you don't use as currency. My main is overseers guardian fully upgraded with the deliverer as a sidearm. Both weapons use extremely common ammo types. You could also get the explosive radium rifle from far harbor. Im doing like 150 damage a bullet or more. It may not be as much as semi auto rifles can get but dps can be crazy. And if for some reason, you're still having trouble with ammo, make some at a settlement. The only time I ever ran out of ammo was using plasma weapons. But have a storage chest for extra ammo at each of your settlements and swap to a more common ammo type when necessary. Trust me, you'll be fine.

Getting both is surely the best way, choosing between overseers guardian and the problem solver isn't something anyone should have to do

I always run with my automatic Giat Famas. Since i'm specced VATS/Sneak in Very Hard/Survival I don't go full auto very often. But sometimes I do burst and its nice to have. Have played a lot both ways, semi-auto and auto and can use either equally well.

Him: “up to 2-3 caps per bullet” Me: “fusion cells cost 10 caps at my charisma”

Automatics can use a wider range of prefixes because of the rpm, and since they shoot multiple bullets in vats so unless your semi does over 3x the damage of your auto then it's more damage efficient in vats so use autos. As far as chaining sneaks, both work but not with snipers. I've managed to hit 4 with the deliverer and most automatic guns. With semis I can hit 2 most of the time but it's not consistent enough to say I can hit 3. It's very reliant on the distance and on the recoil not going in the wrong way. And ofc it's impossible to do with the gauss rifle because you need to charge it. One thing in the video I found odd was the 10mm argument. In the early game you don't need the bonus damage on a pistol to make it work. Also, if you're aiming for late game and end storyline there's the option of using the two shot railway rifle, if that's on automatic you're going to have a lot of ammo available to you.

I think personally if you have perks like scrounger and that one with better prices at shops (charisma) automatic weapons are really fun to just spray and not really worry about ammo cost.

So, what I tend to do in survival mode for a sneak build is mix rifleman and gunslinger as hand guns are far better suited for close range stealth attacks where rifles are best used at greater ranges. So, I'll typically have the deliverer, the overseers guardian, and a .38 pipe pistol for weaker enemies.

This will come in handy, I was originally thought I was playing this on normal mode, but I only recently found out that I was playing on hard mode.

The best part of automatic weapons is that they are fun. Being able to just spray and pray while you run and gun makes for a very fun play through, and for faster gameplay.

I prefer semi autos. More damage per bullet which is very useful early when ammo is rare and still useful later, better accuracy, less recoil and usually better range and less missing. Some semi autos like 10mm pistol are still quite fast.

Video idea, for your Fallout 4 videos you haven't made a "Best Legendary Effects for Melee weapons" one recommendation for the list would be The instigating effect. Love your vids keep it up (if you see this)

Since I mostly use what ever ammo type I happen to scavenge around the wasteland. I tend to keep a wide variety of weapons of various types and calibers. I have literally never bought ammo from a vendor ever (unless it is cannon balls for the broadsider but that doesn't drop often). I usually will keep stockpile my ammo and weapons in a trunk at my main base until mission time then pick weapons depending on what ammo types I have the most of. That said I generally use the common ammo types for auto weapons and uncommon and rares for semi-auto. Personally I find Auto works better at close range while semi-auto is best used from a distance. Of course once I get a settlement with an ammo factory set up I just manufacture what ever ammo type I want and supply never becomes an issue ever again.

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you make very valid points. For me, I prefer semi for long range and for pistols and full-auto for mid to short range. in my opinion the best full-auto weapon for ammo consumption and possibly for survival mode is the combat shotgun.

In short, the fist time i decided to move to auto, i was still very soon in game, what i used was a auto pipe rifle, and even though .38 is the easiest ammo to find, i ran out of it in no time, and found my self fully out of ammo exept for some ammo for my pipe revolver wich i had to use for a while, this is why i really prefer to stick with semi auto

The part where full-auto's start to suck is when you start needing a completely different weapon like a revolver or melee weapon so you don't run out of bullets or have to carry four different weapons to spread out your ammo consumption. This turns it into a 'bonus' perk like Heavy weapons or Explosives, rather than a primary weapon option like melee or pistols.

I think the simplest way to boil this down is to go over what the most arguably powerful, ammo-efficient, cost-efficient, the has the best range:damage per second:reload-time:damage per shot:upgrade/repair costs/requirements ratio, etc. weapon is in each damage category regardless of perks, mods, or skills(I say skills and repair mostly because this could also be applied to Fallout 3 and New Vegas logic). Note: these are just from my in-game experiences so I might be a little biased Best energy weapon in Fallout 3= The Alien Blaster or the Gauss Rifle (both semi-automatic weapons) Best F3 ballistic weapon= Lincoln's Repeater or The Backwater Rifle (again both semi-auto) FNV best energy weapon= YCS/186 or Pew-Pew (again both semi-auto) FNV best ballistic weapon= The Medicine Stick, The Ranger Sequoia, This Machine, or The Survivalist Rifle (I left out the Anti-mat rifle because under the right circumstances the Medicine Stick can deal just as much damage or even more at a lower strength requirement, versatility, and the chances to find and buy ammo at higher levels; also at the same time This Machine and The Survivalist Rifle are about tied but for different reasons, SR for it's damage speed and TM for it's common and cheaper ammo; again all semi weapons) Note: F4 was tougher to decide due to the variety of weapon-mods, legendary effects, and just the sheer amount of weapon combos) F4 best energy weapon= The Hub alien blaster, The Wazer Wifle, or the Aeternus (1/3 is purely semi-auto while 1 can be made automatic) F4 best ballistic weapon= Old Reliable or The Overseer's Guardian (1/2 is purely semi-auto while the other can be modded either way) TL:DR version: Most of the best or most efficient weapons in each Bethesda Fallout game have been purely semi-automatic (on a side note, I think it's stranger that most of them are lever-action rifles) weapons. Fallout 4 weapons were a little tougher to rate just because of how much weapons can be modded and altered to go with certain builds.

Man, you have a phd in this game. Crazy knowledge.

Don't forget the two-shot effect for automatic weapons! Disadvantage: Increases recoil. Advantage: The second shot is unmodified by your attachments. Per-shot damage is reduced by automatic receivers, but the second shot is NOT reduced. So while gunslinger and rifleman do not get double damage on a two-shot modified weapon, automatic weapons actually get MORE than double damage.

The Deliverer is outperformed by the classic 10mm. Classic 10mm Pistol (From Russia, Love) | Advanced Receiver (Western Revolver). Extended barrel (Deliverer). Survivor's Grip, superior recoil and hip fire. Quick eject magazine. Reflex sights. Suppressor. | Steady Aim III, +40% hip fire accuracy. | Gunslinger V, x1.5 range (133), disarm, cripple effects and +100% damage. | Nuclear Physicist, 100 rad damage after cloning Ultimatum's legendary.

I personally never used automatics until i recently did one of Fudgemuppet's builds, but it's definitely fun.

I like both but my favorite kind of weapon that I've used was a semi-auto plasma rifle with a sniper barrel

I used to be in the semi auto camp, but once you go full auto you can never go back. Plasma and Cryo Legendary = favorite with automatics. it's basically 20-25 additional damage per shot and it's energy based so... fewer enemies have ER.

Fallout 4 plot: Without automatic weapons: Where the f__k is my son?! With automatic weapons: Where the f__k is my ammo?!

The point about pistols seemed good until I realised that whenever I face ghouls I either use a shotgun (which is basically a strong pistol as pistols are fairly short range and semi auto, often) Or the pipe rifle which is of course just the pipe pistol with a different stock. But then again im a fallout noob rocking 4 in each SPECIAL apart from P which is 5 and having great fun with rifleman, demolition, gun nut, armourer , medic and bloody mess :p It would feel like a waste of points to level up the pistol perk

My opinion is the full autos are better for sneaking because you shoot in a 3 round burst, which means you sneak attack 3 times before being spotted. Semi auto is more economical because it saves ammunition. If you’re doing a vats build I could recommend using full auto weapons.

one thing that we can all agree on is if you find an explosive auto weapon, or god help us all AN EXPLOSIVE SHOTGUN, your gonna have to change your build. Those explosive weapons are kick-a#s

Other advantages of Full auto- A. 0 need for VATS or Perception or Luck (lockpicking and ammo find are good low rankers though). B. With a stealth build most things die from 1 - 3 auto rifle shots anyway C. Missing isn't as much an issue in the heat of battle D. yeah you can put points in pistol and conserve some ammo that way E. If your not building settlements, you can sell all that junk you pick up and then there's plenty of caps for bullets. F. something jumps out at you right into your face? Squeeze that trigger! :D

The prototype laser rife limitless potential is so fun and crazy with full auto since you don't waste any ammo

honestly modding saves the day again, one i had some installed that make it so your damage with weapons is broken into pistol, rifle, heavy, and explosive, with few crossover weapons (mainly missiles and fatman). Doesn't matter if a gun is semi or auto, it gains the same benefits. Then add more options for ammo types across each weapon, and you get, for example, the old combat rifle becoming the assault rifle, and having access to 5mm, 5.56, or .308. While your damage is lower on the 5mm, each of those weighs about the same as a .38 in survival, and hit harder with armor piercing effects naturally. (mod also makes it so it does bonus damage to robots, vehicles, and power armor That being said, auto fire is still an inferior option, but it's very easy to level it out. oh, and it's weapons overhaul redux, equipment crafting overhaul, and be exceptional that I'm using to achieve this. Oh, and shotguns count as rifles, and it also allows some weapons to take a shotgun receiver, and survival adds capshot ammo for shotguns that are technically weightless, as they're intended as barter fodder (they'll replace bottlecaps found roughly 50% of the time with fortune finder for example)

Think of combat situations as needing “tools”. A horde of ghouls on your heels, auto is great. Long range Big Bad, go semi. If you can only pick one, semi wins bc it performs in every situation. However, think of your own playstyle. Or make a build around a playstyle, which leans towards a gun type. It’s certainly not black and white, so have fun. (I will say that you might hold of on investing into a gun type damage perk, until you find a solid legendary you want to build around, if you’re somewhat experienced at the game).

In survival mode or if using a mod that further bumps up damage, things (including the player) can die after a few hits. This makes the decision one of circumstance. Autos can be deadly in cqc because it's easier to pump out rounds faster, but, semis can one shot targets if you're sniping them.

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So, one of my favorite things to do on an automatic weapons character is to get the justice shotgun with allows me to have a crazy stagger chance.

great video are you playing on xbox one or pc with a controller?

I tend to play more like a shooter with the commando perk but use vats more when using rifleman. I tend to use gunslinger/commando combo with explosives and the game plays more like a shooter with RPG elements. it's super fun. pick up ammo collector and you will never really have a problem with ammo. plus a good amount of the drugs in the game work better with full automatics I never play on survival mode anymore because I hate to babysit my character every ten minutes.

"player.additem (ammo id) 999999999999" FULL AUTO, BABY!!!

Armor Rating in Fallout 4 would have worked fine if they took out the damage penalty for full auto. It already has a drawback: ammo consumption.

I have been playing survival mode for a few hundred hours now. Automatic weapons are very strong in the early game (below lv 40). Automatic weapons have lower recoil and hence higher effective DPS. If there is a dangerous enemy you want to take down, holding the automatic trigger down is much faster and safer than a non-automatic weapon. Lower recoil power allows me to target the enemy easier and hence kill the enemy faster. Commando perk is Agility 2 perk, you can spend a few points on it at the early stage of the game. I would recommend running automatic weapons with commando perk and a semi-auto weapon in the early game, and gradually shifting to the semi-auto weapons as you have more perks related to sneak perks.

A 3 round burst would be a happy medium

Honestly I love both so I just have two characters one for full-auto one for semi and it’s awesome

Ammo is so scarce in the early game I can never bring myself to use an automatic weapon except, briefly and exactly one time because of how much it turned out to suck, the minigun. I did find a kneecapping combat rifle I am thinking of using (in auto mode) just for Deathclaws and the like, slowing them down so I can finish them off with a semiauto weapon.

Hey Puma can your next vid be your overall best OP8 build for Salvador?

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Also you should consider full-auto benefits from muzzles which reduces range, but with semi-auto no muzzle is required.

"Remember Soap... switching to your handgun is always faster than reloading"

Pro tip: water purifiers (exorbitant amount) at your HOME base with all your shops. No worries about ammo after that.

Wish the combat rifle had a auto .38 and .308 attachment. Mainly .308 so I can recreate the BAR.

I prefer semi auto over fully auto any day, I use a plasma sniper rifle and I dont really need much ammo with it, I can usually keep 100 rounds on me and that will serve me fine, I only need to use the plasma sniper when I'm at mid or long distance as I have a melee weapon for close combat (also saves me a lot of ammo) I wanted to see how my plasma rifle would operate if I gave it an automatic barrel, that 100 rounds that would have enabled me to take out a whole raider base with my plasma sniper instead ran out in about 5 seconds, I shot like 6 raiders and that took up a whole 42 round mag, if you have unlimited caps or resources then sure go for an automatic weapon, but if you wanna have a powerful and ammo effecient weapon, go for semi auto. Also a word of advice, dont put an automatic receiver on a 10mm pistol, it will shit all your ammo away in seconds, I have a submachine gun for my current character and I need over 1000 rounds just to clear out a gunner base, meanwhile my .44 revolver has like 150 rounds and I can clear out the whole fucking institute before I need more ammo

Your first point about commando being in the same skill tree with gunslinger doesn't really mean anything imo since you only need 2 perception to get rifleman Also you dont need to worry about ammo price from about level 15 onwards for balistic ammo types and level 25-30 for all other ammo types Build an ammo forge and get all of your caliber based ammo exclusively from there and also build a weapons forge and only build 44 revolvers (or 10mm pistols if you dont have your gun nut perk high enough yet). Now every time you need to buy non ballistic ammo, take all your crafted pistols/revolvers and your least used ammo type from the ammo forge, put on your best CHR apparel and buy all the non ballistic ammo you can afford from vendors in return for your pistols/revolvers and least used ammo type You'll even make a caps profit every time you do this

Semi auto for ammo conservation, headshots, and smart play. Fully auto for channeling your inner Heavy and screaming "WAH, WAH, CRY SOME MORE! HAHAHAHA"

in short it comes down to what build you tend to go with.

ammo consumption is a nonissue if you have scrounger. just pick which ammo and you will stockpile the ones you don't use. use them and stockpile everything else. on survival, dump the ammo in a settlement if you aren't using it to avoid weight issue. any ammo you don't have you can buy using ammo as money

Played for the longest time using only semiauto because losing out on the damage for fullauto just didn't make sense to me. Lately tho, I started using full auto and I love it.

Vynlicpuma, get the Snipers of the Commonwealth mod. It adds over 150 snipers who are on tall buildings, with combat rifles. And there are unique NPC's, whom you might recognize. There are 5 Zer0's, one is the original, who wields a sniper called the Lyuda, a NPC naled Aur, whatever, from the presequal, and a guy near the sanctuary bridge who sells the snipers, and the swords, and "Ghost Armor" which turn you invisible when crouched, but, you can move in it. I like it

Could you include information on the workshop dlc that adds ammo construction

I don't see the point of using Gunslinger with Commando personally as I find it kind of redundant. One little note, auto guns fire 3 shots in VATS, which kind of compensates for the increased VATS cost. If you couple Demolition Expert with a Legendary Explosive weapon like the Spray 'n Pray, your explosive bullets also get affected by the Demolition Expert perk which gives you a huge amount of room clearing and crippling power. Besides, this allows you to use grenades and missile launchers if you need big damage spikes over continuous fire.

Quite agree with you semi auto weapons are better as the one big problem with automatic ones is if you come across some low level enemy that can be killed in 2 shots thr automatic weapon always fires in a sequence of 3 shots their by wasting 1 shot

I put 1 point in both scrounging perks and never have a problem with caps or ammo.

I was in the water plant and got cornered by 6 mirelurks, I was stuck in the corner as they call queued to attack, fully auto would have saved me

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Damn it, hes still making videos

The problem I had was early ammo weaponry sucked later on, so I kept a pipe rifle for auto for later in the game, as that ammo was damn near infinite.

i got ammo scavenger in early levels and by the time i got either the combat rifle or the .50 hunting rifle i had atleast 1000 ammo for them from just looting it in the world.

the core problem is that in truth in real ballistics is that the receiver and bolt Will hold a perfect seal so the energy lost will not apply as chemical process of controlled blast from a round will be the same a high percentage of time.

What area location is that with the multi colored storage boxes?

I tend to prefer using stealth and sniping, thus semi-auto rifles give you the most bang for your buck - especially in survival mode, where ammo has weight. Gunslinger can work, as you can use a .44 with a scope for sniping, (though it can't be silenced), and the Deliverer makes a great stealth weapon. Still, the Overseer's Guardian makes a great sniper rifle...