Ok, but the point is, are doctors and executives as likely to be killed as police officers? Apparently, a random red shirt was just as likely to be killed as a random blue shirt, and, exactly because they were the security force, it, if true, is surprising.

If I remember correctly, red was also the color security wore.

@@izd4 True enough, the number of medical casualities probably depends of where you are deploying the bulk of your military personnel. At the frontlines or at a heavily manned facility behind the lines. But it is surprising that, while Kirk mobilizes red shirts every time he gets near something potentially f dangerous, the blue shirt population of the ship is being devastated too.

Speaking as a former Air Force Security Specialist, I am surprised about how poor security is aboard the Enterprise.

Scotty and the engineering crew wore red shirts, possibly related to the fact that in the U.S. Navy, engineering rates E3 and below wear rate patches with red stripes.

right. or the reading of the deceleration of independence where Kirk really hits the god line.

I don't understand the monotheism supremacy. Portraying "sun worshippers" so literally is very strong bit of religious intolerance against polytheistic people. I'd rather have the atheist show than a hypocritical monotheist one.

@@LethalBubbles I don't think it's intolerance to see degrees of religious development. By the same token, I wouldn't call atheists intolerant--just wrong.

@@bobbyrne8591 I don't think you're remembering correctly. Kirk, in The Omega Glory, reads the preamble to the Constitution, which doesn't mention God. Are you referring to something else?

Yes, Shatner was inferred the Judeo-Christian god. Keep in mind that episode was first aired in 1967, and Kirk wasn't really getting into a theological discussion with "Apollo", whose identity he's not convinced of anyway, he was simply emphasizing that mankind had progressed beyond a need for some pantheon of deities with their quirks and issues.

Good for you, you little incel douche.

ajmittendorf According to story in STD: woman named Michael was punished for mutiny and what's next? She tell captain what to do. Seriously?

Same for Star Trek: Picard, tbh

@@user-oi8qx7ig4c Yup. I agree.

@@ajmittendorf Mr. Rodenberry is spinning in his Grave T^T

This wins the comment section. Exactly.

Great point

That's a feature KZfaq will soon be adding.

Tough shit.....11 minutes and 53 wasted seconds are gone forever........Deal with it.

lmao

It's a bad line that was cut out in The Menagerie

always people, idiotically, try to apply today's mores to a time decades ago. For it's day (mid-60's) it was a "progressive" (a puke word for me) show. "Woman's lib" had not even happened yet, at the time of the pilot for the original series. At least the cast's women were "naval officers and gentlemen" in Star Trek and not stuck in the kitchen 24/7 (where some may still think they should be) wearing peals whilst they baked cookies for their little urchins!

@@ronschlorff7089 Word Dude. Shitting on something that was made decades ago and trying to be progressive, for the time, shows a lack of Intelligence to me. Roddenberry did as much as the executives would let him get away with. People forget that he had to fight to have Black and Asian characters on the show. As to LGTB on the latter shows I grew up in the 80s and 90s. It was not like today at all. They got away with as much as they could at the time. Yeah some of it was a little cringy but so were the 80s and 90s. :) People forget that TV shows are made to make money and you can only push the boundaries so far before you alienate your audience. Something Discovery would learn if they pulled their heads out of the sand and paid some attention to their core audience. Marvel knows this and CBS/Bad Robot forgot it. If you make a good show for fans who watch the show for decades you can still tweak it to bring in a larger audience. Instead they look down their noses on the core fanbase as "nerds" and make badly written SCIENCE Fiction. You can't gloss over Science and Lore in a show like Star Trek, the fans notice.

@@ronschlorff7089 I absolutely agree. people are starting to get angry that the (jewish) bible was sexist because it talked more about men, but it was written in a time when men were considered superior. I hate it when people look at/judge old/ancient medias with modern ideas

Although it could also have been a reflection of the times, as it often was - except disguised by science fiction...

Shatner could be very silly at times. You know what else could be? TOS. Campiest star trek by a mile and honestly I can't imagine it without that camp or shatner's occasionally silly performances.

Hear, hear!

Agreed on all counts! And Shatner can do subtle and emotional just as well as he can do over the top. Just watch Spock's death scene, that's proof enough.

Remember at very the end of the The Man Trap episode. When Kirk is just sitting in the Captain's chair being pensive? And MCcoy asks him something and he says ''I was thinking of the the buffalo''. That was amazing acting. Made an impact.

@@RobespierreThePoof Haha, it seems so. I just think that it's hard to watch many episodes in the third season without wincing. Shatner gave it his all, even when the script and direction led to awful stuff. I'm not saying that the guy hasn't ever overacted or been cringey, I am tired of the easy dismissal of his considerable talents. He was well-loved by many of the sci-fi writers and contributed a lot to the show's success.

Exactly! He respected woman and was written that way

Spock actually, for all his logic, got quite a bit of "tail"! Despite being in a pre-arranged relationship that was "more than a betrothal, less than a marriage", and he was mad enough with blood-lust to kill his Captain, and hell, I'd have wiped out mine own C.O. to bang the lovely Arlene Martel ca. 1967, Spock was quite the "babe magnet!". As for Kirk, there's only TWO instances where it's strongly implied (as late 60s TV would allow) that James Tiberius Kirk got his freak on. The first was in season two, on the "Roman" planet (Bread and Circuses), where the Proconsul (Logan Ramsey) has his lovely blond slave girl, Drusilla (Lois Jewell), give Kirk some "special attention", since, facing execution for being "dangerous" to the conservative Magna Roman political and social structure, but having gained his respect, it was deemed appropriate that Kirk spend what he'd thought would be his last few hours of life "as a man". The second time was in the third season episode, "Wink of an Eye", where the zippy Scalosians, whom moved so fast they couldn't be seen (funny that Kirk and Spock didn't think of rewinding the video and running it at SLOW speed to see what was going on), but in need of breeding stock as whatever's in the water is keeping the lovely Deela (Kathie Browne) from getting knocked up! Of course, whether Kirk is simply trying to gain his adversary's confidence in order to figure out how to thwart their plans, or, he LITERALLY wants a "Fast" blonde, is debatable. We see Kirk putting his shoes back on and Deela fixing her hair after an apparent tryst in Kirk's quarters. Other than the two instances, James Tiberius Kirk was involved in serious, meaningful relationships, with attractive, competent, and self-sufficient woman that weren't simply "pumped and dumped". The last episode, arguably the worst, "Turnabout Intruder", ends with Kirk being literally forced to switch lives with a jilted lover; it can be inferred that he'd already seen, years before, that this gal was batshit crazy, filled with jealously and rage over her misconception that her failings were due to gender discrimination.

Captain Kirk is either genuinely in love with the women he's involved with, on good terms with his ex-girlfriends, or seducing the enemy in order to get out of a life-threatening situation (which is a pretty cool thing, since that's usually a female character's thing!) He's respectful and charming - he doesn't take shit, and puts his duty first... I still don't understand how fans thought of him as a chauvinist who bangs green alien chicks and then nopes out in the morning. Literally, in the episode where the Air Force pilot from the 60s gets onto the Enterprise, and they're walking through the hallway and pass a woman in command gold, and the pilot looks at Kirk and asks, "A woman?" Kirk just says, "A crewman." I mean, barring alien viruses, transporter malfunctions, and possession by weird lifeforms, Kirk doesn't even get involved with the people working under him - which shows the integrity of a guy who wouldn't want to take advantage of those under his command.

I don't think Kirk was so much as a skirt chaser as much as his character got the girl far more than any other character on the show. He was far more sexual than anyone else.

When Roddenberry was running it, though, he made his Starfleet way too top-heavy with officers. Yes, we see the 'crew' in the background, but there'd be daily interaction with chiefs and other senior enlisted. It's somewhat fixed in NextGen with O'Brien, but again, if he's a CPO, he'd be a SUPERVISOR himself. At least CPO Rhozenko, Worf's Russian father, is implied had some supervisory duties when active. And Spock should have been an EXECUTIVE OFFICER (XO), as they tried to do with "Number One", Majel Barrett's original role (but then again, she'd not be at the Nav console, would she?), at least with Riker, this is somewhat fixed in NextGen. Also, a "Yeoman" is not simply a term for a female enlisted member, but an actual rating (akin to a scribe or secretary), Janice Rand MIGHT have been properly addressed so, as she effectively functions as Kirk's "Girl Friday", but other "Yeomen", like the lovely Theresa Ross ("The Squire of Gothos") would likely be of far more diverse ratings, or even Tamura in "A Taste of Armageddon", whom seems to function as security and can handle the Eminian lady Mea 3 (Barbara Babcock) quite easily.

He gets to use even worse in the movies.

Southerners get a pass.

Bones also said "according to myth the earth was cre-ated in 6 days" it's only a figure of speech. God I'm a nerd! (See what I mean).

"Come to think of it, maybe I *am* a bricklayer, and not a doctor after all."

Which are all completely cultural. I'm an atheist, and I say "oh my god" "god knows" and the like. It's part of the language. It has nothing to do with belief.

Yeahhhhh, a lot of Star Trek fans suffer from severe insecurity that they act out by trying to be know-it-alls about it.

@@MegaZeta I see you're some kind of Grunge fan soyboy. Do they pay you to white knight for this lame channel or are you just that lonely?

Agree

#nopejustchucktesta

@@Annoyingbirds .....what?

yup!

Believe it or not there are some much worse😏

As soon as you hear the Billy Badass narrator with that fake tough-guy voice, you immediately know you're in for a major letdown.

I've yet to meet an atheist who "pretends religions don't exist".

@@markblaze10 In a science fiction series you could imagine a future where superstitions don't apply.

Gene Roddenberry treated religion as what it is, something personal some people may have. I don't think he said "Religion [...is] not to be part of his universe." but it shouldn't play a central role in it. It's just like any other personal thing, you don't even see members of the crew bragging about how they only eat the blue and green cubes because they value animal amino acids or how they did Mok'bara three times a week.... On the other hand - I admire Seth McFarlane for doing so. ;)

@@jensalik I've yet to meet an atheist (or any non-religious person) who really ever uses the word "secular" to describe anything. An adjective to specifically isolate non-religion is useless when the default condition and default perspective of all things is already entirely non-religious: atheists simply don't measure things by how they relate to religious contexts and religious designations, there are plenty of other adjectives which describe things in terms which have actual meaning outside of religious understandings.

@@pwnmeisterage - I didn't use it either. But besides that, secular has about 5 different meanings, only one has anything to do with the church, so it has actual meaning outside religious understandings.

No my favorite line is dammnot spock im.a dr not a .....!

Dr. McCoy actually does say that line in the the TV show, once and only once.

“You take his tricorder; I’ll get his wallet. . .”

He's dead Jim Jim he's dead Dead Jim Dead

Dr. McCoy never really says that. He just says, "He's dead."

_THANK_ you. The "shit" _never_ hits that fandom often enough.

And Rhett Butler never said "Frankly Scarlett...".

But, he should have!!!!

Watson actually said, "Holmes, your deductions are utterly devoid of excrement".

Another myth was that the "female crewmembers tunic", (that miniskirted dress), was created because the guys wanted to see women in them. Truth be told, actress Grace Lee Whitney hated the women's uniforms from the pilot episodes because they hid her "dancer's legs" so she collaborated with William Ware Theiss to create the tunics. She actually wanted it just for herself but Gene Roddenberry made it the standard women's uniform. She later admitted it helped sell the series. As for TNG, the short sleeved miniskirted dresses, known as "skants", were intended to be as unisex as the jumpsuits to show full sexual equality that existed in the twenty-forth century. I think the skant was a warm weather or warm climate uniform. What do you think?

Kirk was a Christian. That doesn't mean his society was Christian, that just means he leaned in that direction personally. Which stands to reason, he was an American after all. In a truly openminded, pluralistic society, there should definitely be plenty of room for Christianity. Of the bridge crew, Kirk, McCoy and Uhura were openly Christian, I suspect Sulu was intended to follow Buddhism, Chekhov was probably an Atheist in keeping with Soviet dogma at the time, and I can't recall any of the others expressing a religious preference one way or another

Odysseus Rex .... he told who that?

@@albertschoise8091 Umm, to quote myself, "Kirk tells Apollo."

@@hagamapama Well, one thing Chekhov definitely was not, was Soviet.

whoa! good call. I do recall that.

“I’m a doctor, not a doorstop.” -the Hologram Doctor

"Damnit, Jim, I'm an ornithologist, not an ornithopter!"

You forgot, "I'm a Doctor not an escalator". When he was helping a pregnant Julie Newmar.

If I were a Star Trek writer... Capt. Kirk: Bones, this man is dying. Dr. McCoy: Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor not a doct...I'll get right on that.

@@bonusbaby801 bonus laughs

Nimoy.

@@daveverplank thank u

Bones and Scotty are characters, not actors.

I love that Shatner is still out there doing things. One of the few aspects of Twatter that isn't a cesspool.

TOS was about the friendship/bond of the three main characters, Kirk, Spock and McCoy, all others were the supporting cast regardless of their listings in the billing.

You caught me thinking the same thing for the millionth time as I binge watch TNG.

Loved Enterprise!

One of my favourites too. Good solid spaceship sci-fi set in a wilder and more interesting time, before the utopian Federation.

Overall my fav was STE.

Loved ST:E as well, save for the last episode which felt like the writers giving us, the fans, the middle finger (and it's been reported that was kind of the intent).

@@ArtofFreeSpeech I liked it from being used to "Archer" from his role in "Quantum Leap." Inspired me to binge re/watch all of them. That's a really good series.

Well, in Star Trek III, Kirk refers to his soul which he says would have been lost if he had not broke a million laws, destroyed the Enterprise, lost his only son to get Spock back.

roddenberry was buddies with hubbard...

Ditto! I was like.....speechless! Jaw dropping speechless!

And posting of Kirk's own godhood.

Except that IMO it is the worst Star Trek movie out of all thirteen of them. I just personally don't like anything that Shatner has written, although I enjoy his work as a performer. I have twelve of the thirteen movies on DVD--all except for Star Trek V, which I loaned to someone because I didn't care if I got it back--I was never going to watch it again.

A single good moment in the worst of the Trek films.

I saw a bit by a stand up comic years ago and in it kirk, spock and "3 disposable crew members" beamed down to a planet lol

Yeah, I feel its not about the rest of the crew but who we saw getting killed on camera.

Also need to note the red shirt death thing was more ToS specific trope, since it switched to gold shirts in later series.

You seem to be pretty upset about it for something meaningless

@@MegaZeta Unlike you, right? Coming in months after a conversation, in a comment you find "meaningless," to throw your worthless two cents in. Hypocrite much?

The irony is that Riker was actually written as a womaniser but he was about as charismatic and sexy as an unflushed toilet.

The network didn't know what to do with it. They had seen it in kids, but not adults. They were used to spoonfeeding audiences with material low in nutritional value. It was a shock to see such a reaction. Of course, there was no cable TV or Internet then. So any successful network show had to appeal quickly to a broad audience. ST pioneered a new model, of reaching an intense niche audience first, before spreading slowly into the general culture.

except STD fans if they exist.

Whenever I see that acronym I always see "sexually transmitted disease"

This one hurts my head “Live long and prosper” reply “Peace and long life”

Alan S 🖕🏻

@Stephen Pegg TL;DR and a complete non sequitur. Popnecker didn't bring up any of that. You should have just posted it at the top as your own rant, weirdo.

Yeah, but how bout..... 😀🤣 www.flickr.com/photos/hugovk/16223507887

I’ll remember that the next time I’m in a public restroom.

And because the Russians complained about being left out.

Come to think of it was Dave Jones and Walter Koenig ever seen in the same place?

Correct, Jim.

@@oldbull11 Were you not watching this vid? They specifically said that It was not being aired in Russia at the time therefore no one had even seen the show and so could not complain about the lack of Russian character

Apparently Russians in the US didn't watch Star Trek. LOL @@tamiaugustson2562

you obviously did not watch this whole presentation!!!

Sorry, but the "sun"/"son"... It's all the same. Jesus IS the Sun. God so loved the Earth that he gave us his only SUN. How many SUNS do we have? One. (Technically 3 but 2 are turned off for some reason)

Of course, it's never explained how, on a parallel planet (the revised edition doesn't make Magna Roma an exact copy of Earth) that a 20-century Rome (and why, being that it's in the 23rd century, the Magna Romans aren't a space-faring culture as well) would be speaking American English (since "Anglish", being a principally Germanic language, would have been derived from ancient Germans, whom were BARBARIANS). This Rome, for all practical purposes, is the USA with a Roman theme, right down to the "land yacht" automobiles (the Jupiter 8, for "maximum comfort"), smog, rifles, pistols, and sub-machine guns, policemen wearing hard plastic helmets that law enforcement of the late 60s and 70s favored, print magazines, and color TV with cliched programming. The clues are there that in this version of "Rome", Christianity, which the escaped gladiator, Flavius (which simply means "blonde" or "beautiful" in Latin, it was never a complete name of itself), dated back nearly two thousand years, as did the Empire itself (no mention of a preceding Roman Republic, and the ProConsul would presumably still be answering to an EMPEROR, would he not?), existed as an "underground" movement (hence the escaped slaves hiding out in caves), under the misconception that until Constantine that the early Christian Church was under a constant state of active persecution (in fact, one of the "good Emperors", Trajan, in describing the Christians as being suspected of disloyalty, gave direction that they were not to be "sought out"), and many nobles and prominent citizens of the first, second, and third centuries were, in fact, openly Christian. As for the "real" Rome not having any "Sun" worshipers, absolutely WRONG, not only were there several prominent sun-worshiping cults, the name "Sol" comes from the Roman solar deity, until merged with Apollo. And, of course, the episode completely disregards the extensive influence of GREEK culture and the Greek language, which although obviously the Romans conquered the Greek city-states militarily, it can be asserted that the Greeks took over the Latin culture of the Romans and ultimatley dominated it. But it's fun to see a gladiatorial contest, LIVE, on TV (though in reality, gladiatorial contests were seldom fought to the death, as gladiators were expensive to train and in many cases had large followings, they weren't, as the episode implies, expendable at all), where you "name the winner"!

Preach it!

STD not Strek. Period.

It was produced and written by people that did not like the previous incarnations of Trek and had never watched any episode so were not “UP” on Trek Canon, and I doubt they gave a shit either way. STD is too caught up in the current progressive, left wing politics of our time and as such, it will not age well. Where allegories of some of the previous Trek episodes still hold as well today as when they were originally made.

It's considered in the same u iverwse as the jj films

I REALLY like Michelle Yeoh (from other movies) but this is below is pure Flash Gordon BS, low-brow JUNK from the golden bustier, to the 8" epaulets, to the sword - screams "I hate sci-fi and love fantasy" www.indiewire.com/2018/02/star-trek-discovery-michelle-yeoh-interview-emperor-georgiou-1201926766/ This is NOT Star Trek.

@April Zhan What about Sisko being their emmisary?

@April Zhan What about Chakotay?

@@audreyandremington5265 Cisco doesn't believe them to be gods and doesn't worship them. He just sees them as they are - very powerful aliens.

@@brokenphysics6146 But still Sisko is used to convey the idea that behind the myth of religion, there can be a real power.

I just watched emanations on Netflix last night, and it's funny how once you get outside the box, your eyes roll so many times when you watch TV. Like Sisco and his whatever it's called the spirits.

After Gene Roddenberry’s death Trek fell away from the creator’s vision. If you like DS9 props to you but it’s far removed from the original outline.

@@jamescupp434 that's fine. Most trek series treats religion tolerantly. Look at commander chakotay always going on vision quests to talk to the spirit of his grandfather in Voyager, or Captain Kirk telling Apollo they only believe in one god, or Wesley Crusher on TNG deciding he would convert to the faith of the Bajorans. No matter what you think, religion has always been a part of Star Trek, right from the beginning with episodes Roddenberry created.

Jack Metallica true it’s had elements of story but the soul of Star Trek is a warning to us about the dangers of dogma. True a lot of later Star Trek had season long arcs with alien religions. What gene was trying to say is that believing in fairy tales doesn’t happen in the twenty third century, because we evolved out of such an archaic existence. Religion is something that the cavemen practiced. Sure there are still some people that hang on to archaic ideas. The show says time and time again that this is not what you are to do in order to advance the human race. Very humanist. By the way gene was a humanist.

@@jamescupp434 "the dangers of dogma". I disagree, the show is literally about a space navy with crewman constantly being reprimanded for disobeying the chain of command. Rank is constantly invoked. Vulcans, the embodiment of adhering to logical dogma, appear very prominently throughout all Trek series. Sure, they are very often used as a lesson as to why we cannot solve every problem we encounter logically, but their logical assessments are also very often treated with admiration. You're right, there are many episodes where an alien culture's religion is the obstacle of the episode's plot. However, there is also ample evidence Star Trek has treated religion with tolerance, and sometimes even favorably.

@james cupp PERFECTION! could not have said it better!

I guess TNG was similarly criticised when it first aired. And given how campy the first two seasons were, it's a small miracle it wasn't canceled outright during its first season. First season of SG1 was also a bloody trainwreck, btw. And as a fan of the original movie, I was offended at the treatment it received. Thank god it picked up as it progressed, but it was still very formulaic and predictable. And while amusing, I would hardly call it a good show. Atlantis was better, and should've gotten a longer run. SG:U was great, IMHO. But it was too adult and complex for the average TV audience. It also didn't help that the previous entries in the franchise were much lighter, much more "popcorn entertainment" in tone. As is often the case, anything that differs too much will be rejected immediately by the pre-existing fanbase. And it's hard to build an audience on people who weren't a fan of the previous series in the first place (although that didn't stop TNG from becoming popular, so it can be done).

@@EvenTheDogAgrees No TNG was campy - but it stuck to the basic principles that tend to make science fiction shows survive. I will admit that Discovery could survive as an "All-Access" show - because that only requires a few fans. But look at Battlestar Galactica - the recent series was superior in almost every way to the original - except the tone. And it died as quickly as the original. Now maybe Discovery will return to the roots of Trek and succeed, but MOST sci-fi fans are not into dark, dystopic futures. Literally EVERY long term successful sci-fi show so far has had a positive outlook. That's because MOST sci-fi fans are drawn to a better world - not just the same old shit or worse with better technology.

@monokhem You got me on somewhat on Twilight Zone, and somewhat with Black Mirror - though it is more of a cult show - good enough to do well on Netflix, where a small but loyal audience is all you need. And neither of these shows - while definitely sci-fi (Mirror more than Zone) these shows are of a different genre than most, and not not always dark. Even some episodes that SEEM dark really aren't. Twilight Zone, for example, usually involved a twist plot where a bad or foolish person learns an important lesson- but what happens to them is often bad. X-Files is built around a sci-fi premise, but is just a conspiracy drama. They chose aliens as the foil, but it could have been any deep dark conspiracy being investigated by the believing Mueller and skeptic Scully. As for DS-9 it had a very positive outlook - as did every Star Trek Series - as did Stargate SG-1, and Atlantis, so does The Orville - doing well and hopefully for a long time. So did older shows like Buck Rogers, and FLash Gordon - both popular in their day.

@monokhem You may think so - but it ran on TV (regular TV - not streaming) in nearly 100 countries for 10 years, and spawned three movies - not counting the movie the series was based on. Atlantis ran for five years on TV in over 50 countries. The very dark Stargate Universe was almost cancelled after one season, and was after the 2nd.

@@pdoylemi The original BSG was cancelled after one season. The Syfy reboot lasted one miniseries and four seasons, running from 2003-2009.

@BLAIR M Schirmer A non-human made by a human working for the federation who would not include God in how they program AI to not murder because they are all allegedly secular. The context the historical reference is used in is not consistent with a future without religion.

Yeah, that's one that the video didn't catch

Yeah, religious allusions are all over the place in the original series. There's a kind of a higher, "we are all children of one Father" monotheism implicit in the show, sometimes explicit. It wasn't an anti-religious show, but mysticism and superstition were definitely looked down on as muddle-headed.

@ZoneFighter1 No. It literally isn't.

@ZoneFighter1 - Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief in the non-existence of God. I try not to go around believing things, I just *think* things are true based on current evidence. I try to limit my beliefs-without-evidence to things like the potential for goodness in people in general, or love. If there is a God that wants to prove he/she/it exists, write something on the moon in giant letters of fire. That would be pretty convincing. A deity might have a hard time convincing me of their godhood, though, rather than just being a technologically advanced alien.

I thought he looked familiar. Thanks!

@Kathy Kat You make a valid point about DS9 I hadn't considered.

@Kathy Kat You have a point. Didn't think about DS9, as I stopped watching it half way through the run when the soap opera elements came to the front of the stories.

At least "Enterprise" *tried* to be a real "Star Trek" show!

Concur. Enterprise fighting Stukas over NYC - almost the best idea ever.

@@Tree_Dee Along the lines of TOS crew beaming down to an alien imitation of 1930s gangland Chicago, or 1940s NAZI Germany. I call that homage.

Season 2 of Disco is trying to fix the drek that was season one. I agree, season one was awful, Maybe the worst scifi I've ever seen. It made me long for the greatness that was Galactica 1980. But season two is on the right track. 4 of the 8 eps so far have actually felt like Trek.

@@Wizardofgosz Still not paying money to see it. If they put it on Netflix along with the rest of the Trek shows I might watch it.

Life must be very easy for the likes of you, who live without needing to think, just constantly knee jerking to buzzwords. Some of us are bound by facts and reason and standards.

@@AnonEyeMouse You should attempt to have a real response that contains substance and not just a long winded, self promoting attack. The video is clearly biased in it's comparison of Discovery to it's predecessors. This is video is more paid marketing material than anything else

I watch star trek when it first came on TV. I am the expert.

It is kind of like when Trump prefaces a statement with "A lot of people don't know this but . . ." When he really means "I just learned . . . "

@@bradmasiowski5233It's not like that at all. Why do you have to let your Trump Derangement Syndrome enter into this ? Can't you say a single thing without bringing politics into it ? Letting your entire life be defined by HATRED for our president is not only hypocritical, it's biased, bigoted, intolerant and divisive. Star Trek promotes inclusion, tolerance and acceptance in an effort to make the universe a better place. Why can't you ?

@@sanpat8760 Just because you watched it when it came out does not mean you are an expert, in fact I believe I know more than you do about it.

@@wassupnomesayin It's ironic how often some claim "TDS" when people are quoting things he's actually said or mentioning things he's opening and publicly done. The only derangement is your insistent that people's regular references to the man are the result of "hatred and bigotry," and not the man's insistence on making every news cycle about him, and demanding constant attention to the ways he's not being given special treatment, via his Twitter feed. In fact, thinking anyone is bigoted against Trump demonstrates that you have no idea what that word means, just as claiming anyone is 1/10th as divisive Trump is laughable, when the man makes up childish little nicknames for his political opponents, like he was kindergarten. Also mentioning Trump's penchant for claiming he knows things everyone else doesn't is not bringing politics into the conversation, any more than referencing Reagan's dementia in relation to someone being forgetful, or for that matter mentioning Shatner's overacting in relation to a person being melodramatic. He was a public figure, known for exaggerated statements about his education and intellect, for decades before he became president. The person calling TDS, and trying to make everything people say or feel about Trump a product of their "political bias" - THAT'S bringing politics into the conversation. So perhaps, next time, you could just STFU and not bother to defend a man who would sell you in a heartbeat, to pay for the plaque on "his wall."

Lol

@@nativewildman9335 LOL Thank you! :-)

@@PerplexiaX.m

Truth

@@MyJbryant :-)

Of course. They lifted it for the song Star Trekkin'.

True. However. McCoy NEVER said it after he was dead. FACT. What? Look, I'm a bad taste joke teller, not a doctor! That joke's dead, Jim, you wig wearing son of a bitch. James T Kirk. What does the T stand for? It's NOT Tiberius. What a load of Vulcan turds. The T is for toupe'. The wig-wearing son of a bitch.

Star trek across the universe was awesome.

@@richardjones7984 The universe? Hardly. Star Sheep haven't even left the galaxy, apart from one or two exceptions. Why do you think Janeway had her knickers in a twist? Voyager was thrown on the other side of the galaxy and at full warp they were still looking at a journey home lasting many decades, perhaps beyond a century or so. So primitive. While I'm on the subject of Voyager, I'd like to point out that Neelix was a gawd damned child molester. Kes was only a year or two when she joined Voyager. It was established that Neelix knew her BEFORE meeting up with Voyager and was clearly shagging her at that point. If Kes only lived 9 years... it means Neelix was shagging a 10 year old girl. This thought never crossed Janeway's mind. Or, Mr Logic himself, the token Vulcan. If I met Neelix and he fooled me into saving his girlfriend, the second we all got back to my ship and I got Kes' back story, then my solution would be simple. I'd castrate that odd son of a bitch then dump him in an airlock and eject his perverted peedo alien ass into mutha fuckin space. =P

Duncan Disorderly While I may agree somewhat on your moral stance about the series, my comment was only about the ridiculous song.

"Beam me up Scotty" can only be said by someone on the ship who wants Scotty to be returned to the Enterprise. "Beam me up, Scotty" is a command that Scotty do the beaming. Punctuation saves missions.

A cross in the Enterprise chapel in TOS's "Balance of Terror".

@@section31fleetadmiral39 It was discreet and, as we used to say in high school, non-dominational.

I'll stop laughing next week... TMP sucked, mostly for that one reason..

Nice!

"Star Trek: The Motionless Picture" is more like it.

@@johngregory4801 It was fair.

TMP is one of my favorites. It's also pure Roddenberry, and the most "trek" of all the films.

Aye! And yet, DS9 was probably the most interesting, compelling series of Star Trek. It was rather very dark towards the final series. And the final episode made me cry! Now that's GOOD script writing!

Daniel Lopez probably because they are the most well know Maquis even if those two were never a part of DS9

For fun. And because he can.

I thought that too rewatched it myself to make sure ... so if you look again, he did continue his sentence to talk about Voyager though... so it fits but he just brought up those Voyager images a little sooner than necessary...

Because the Maquis figured more prominently in Voyager. They had names and faces. They weren't just some random people in ship during the war.

Pity it wasn't Acting Ensign Crusher.

Albert Nada Whoa! Are you sure? Do you know which episode? I just started re-watching those! I found a complete set of TAS on DVD at a flea market. Quite good quality for having been made from show that was recorded in the early 70s. I would love to find that line in the episode if you know it! Thanks!

@@InformationIsTheEdge Fairly certain. I haven't watched it in about a year, but I'm sure it's in there. I've got everything from the Star Trek: The Original Series to Star Trek: Enterprise. I've no use for the reboots or that shit stain Discovery.

@@albertnada4681 Well, thanks for the reply just the same! I started doing one episode of TAS every Saturday morning like when I was a kid and SM cartoons was still a thing. I'm only 6 or so episodes in and I don't recall having heard the line yet but I'll be on alert for it! Thanks again!

@@InformationIsTheEdge No problem. I'm certain it's there, but there's always a chance I'm wrong... a slight chance... very slim 😉😏

@@albertnada4681 can you believe that rubbish has been renewed for a THIRD season?! BARF! I won't be infected by STD. I'll watch The Orville, thanks. That's REAL Star Trek!

LMFAO! That's funny!

He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet

@@KurtSteinbach He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet

Isn't it interesting how that one was a problem, but the one with the Irish wasn't?

The Irish one was a parking-lot bump compared to the 20-car freeway pileup of “Code of Honor.” Burton and Dorn threatened to quit over Code, and would have been well justified in doing so.

@@katherineberger6329 Not really, they were both over the top in their depiction of racial stereotypes. It is just one group is allowed to be depicted negatively, and another isn't.

I did not see anything wrong with code of honor. Seems like fake offense. So they were in African type garb. Big deal. Maybe they were like some kind of offshoot. It was a stylish thing for blacks in the 60's and 70's to wear African clothes. It's probably just a take from that. Also the show is "woke" because you find out the females are really the one's in charge. Because the guy wants a blonde it's racist? Please. Maybe he wanted some variety. A dude is a dude... Too much triggered snowflake stuff here..

@@thebes56 I was uncomfortable with "Code of Honor" in 1987, I just didn't have sufficient vocabulary then to express why. It's hard to believe you're not trolling this audience.

Go Tink! But, I'll take TOS with it too.

Me too! @bobby: I grew up watching TNG and onward... STD... dunno what that is, but I'm currently loving Star Trek: Orville :)

@@jaqenhghar2970 I love The Orville! Seth McFarland rocks!

@@jaqenhghar2970 haha...Star Trek Orville. Love it!

You are not the only one. I also enjoy TOS, too. It's Star Trek.

Patrick Hanna If you are a red shirt on an away mission then you’re probably security and get paid danger money. Just like bouncers are more likely to get hurt in a fight; it’s because they’re bouncers, not because of what they’re wearing. If you’re in engineering then your red shirt is perfectly safe.

@@20catsRPG what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said. It doesn't change the fact that the largest share of deaths that we saw were redshirts. This article is telling us numbers from redshirts that we never saw. The reality was that, in the show, if you were an on-screen red shirt on an away mission then your odds of dying were higher.

@@timpatrickhanna Nope. Yes we saw more red shirts dying than yellows or blues. But we also saw more red shirts surviving than yellow or blue shirts. The % of casualties of all members of a particular shirt colour is the lowest for blue, then red, then yellow. There is a video about it on KZfaq, watch it. Some guy did a brilliant research. If you don't believe me, watch the whole of TOS and write down the number of all red, blue and yellow shirts that appear on the show, excluding the main cast who are effectively immortal (plot armour). Then also write down the number of red, yellow and blue shirts who die. You will see the % is highest for yellow shirts, not reds. And it also works the same if you only count those go and die on away missions. The red shirt myth is thoroughly de-bunked by now.

@@20catsRPG 9 yellow shirts died. 5 blue shirts died. 24 red shirts died. They are comparing the population of all color shirts to the total population of the crew. But we never saw the whole crew. From what we saw on screen, more red shirts died than any other color. The away teams typically consisted of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and some redshirts. Occasionally someone else. The myth isn't that more redshirts, as a percentage of the total died. The "myth" is that more redshirts, as a percentage of the population of away teams, died. That is absolutely true. ,

@@timpatrickhanna No the myth is that wearing a red shirt means you will die. Untrue. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fa-ChaeAnMW3in0.html Red is in fact the safest colour.

I can't imagine a "Utopian" future where a non-religious society as a whole is atheistic; that would imply a faith in God's non-existence.

To me, it was a low point, a sop to the superstitious segment of society.

She's describing an alien culture in the process of moving from the Roman Empire to the age of Christianity....if they keep following the human pattern, they would then take more than two thousand years to escape THAT silly mess.

This scene went over my head the first time ... I was 8 growing up in San Francisco and I thought all black women were just as smart as old white men and that Uhura piping up was as normal as normal could be ... here we are 50 years later and black women are still beat down and subjected to discrimination ... not because they're black but because they are women ... Majel Barrett for President ...

@@russcrawford3310 Umm, where is all this beating down and discrimination taking place? Outside of the Muslim world, that is.

Yep, the hand gesture symbolizes the Hebrew letter Shin (which looks sort of like a W) and is the first letter in "Shalom". Very cool stuff.

He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet

Bonanza (1960) was filmed in color to promote RCA ...NBC owned RCA or maybe it was the other way around...but nevertheless, that is why at that early date Bonanza was always filmed in color....

I had same problem with cats. We had a black and white cat because the color ones were too expensive.

We had a 19" Philco in the living room until the night Hawaii Five-O premièred... That was the first show I ever saw "in living color".

When I was a kid my family bought our first color TV in 1968. It was an RCA 25 inch TV.

...but is the TAS canon?

@@qetoun absolutely. As are the radio plays. Sadly, the comics seem to be hit or miss when it comes to being canon- Star Trek: Countdown tells the story leading immediately up to the Kelvin timeline... We will have to wait till ST: Picard to know if that comic is part of Picard's history

The first blueshirt casualty is crewman Darnell by the M 113 creature (salt vampire), in "The Man Trap". And, hiya Nancy!

@@section31fleetadmiral39 Yeah, he was killed by 'Nancy'! Figures she'd have my name!

Don't forget the Andromeda invaders. Turned a red and blue shirt into dehydrated cubes... abd the alien crushed the blue shirted chick.

@@Deridus "By Any Other Name" is the ep. I just watched it and "Patterns of Force" earlier today! LOL Yeoman Leslie Thompson was the only female redshirt killed in TOS when Rojan crushed her polyhedron!

@@Deridus She had a red dress on, not blue

What music did Scotty play on the Pipes at Spock's Funeral? I know they may not for the most part believe in The LORD but at funerals people are more open to Christianity because of that one fact in history that plagues non believers. The Resurrection of God's Son...

Christmas is a conglomerate of various festivals that just got piled together and planted during winter to try to convert pagans by squashing their myths out and replacing them with their own. It is as Norse and Celtic (and probably many others) as it is Judeo-Christian.

Yep. Wraparound was green, "regular" was gold. Plenty of shots of Kirk in the two different styles and colors.

I heard a rumor about this that implied that the camera simply didn’t pick up the color correctly. It was a common problem back in the day, and I believe filmmakers still have to consider how colors will appear on camera.

The velour of his regular command shirt reflected the light differently, appearing gold on film, when it was actually green. You can see the different material used for the other shirts worn.

Kathy Kat - yes, but it was a 1960’s idea of a utopian future. It was people from the 1960’o wanted to.

Kathy Kat - I remember typing more words than that... it looks like I fell asleep or had a stroke or something Anyway, what I was trying to express is that the late 60’s was a contentious time with the Vietnam War, the space race, political assassinations, the hippy movement, free love, the Cold War still raging, civil rights movement, feminism.... Things most shows couldn’t deal with on television, Star Trek could. They figured out that if these issues were taking place to alien races on distant planets, they could take on almost anything. The aliens caused the problems and the crew of evolved 1960s men and women showed up to observe, judge and fix things. It was their license to steal! They could actually show a white man kiss a black woman on tv if there were telepathic aliens forcing them to do it! That seems crazy in hindsight. Only Star Trek could get away with such controversial things. It was really 1960s men and women dealing with 1960s issues wrapped up in a retro-futuristic package. The fact that they were right about many things and the show (for the most part) stands the test of time is a testament to the creativity of the writers and the universal themes they explored.

@Kathy Kat No concept of money? How about the episodes where people are buying things with credits? How much is a tribble? Or drinks for the Klingons which Scotty offers? Aboard a Federation space station, no less?

Yes and no. Roddenberry intended it as social commentary about the then-present, but he also presented a vision of a future where people lived in peace and prosperity, a future we could have if we worked for it. Jonathan Frakes says that Roddenberry told him that in fifty years, there would no longer be any poverty on Earth. That would be around 2040. Despite all the hysteria about global warming and the war on terror, I think we're on schedule for that, simply because the technology is becoming so advanced that keeping people poor will be all but impossible. Not that certain people won't try to keep us down. Observe how there are people in the government who are spoiling for continued wars over control of oil, at a time when solar power is becoming cheaper than fossil fuels!

That's a good point.

I disagree to a point. Not all of Gene’s ideas were good ones.

STD sucks ass!!

Yeah I HATED Discovery!!!! My most favourite shows were TNG and VOY - especially after Seven joined the crew.

Well they go together if thankfully is followed by cancelled.

@@SereniaSaissa present tense - watch your grammar, I WILL HATE STD. I HATE STD. I HATED STD. I HAVE (always) HATED STD. Practice & recite.

Amen Brother. As long as I have my TOS, TNG and the first 6 movies I have all the trek I will ever need. Well until I finish trying to make props from the Star Trek 5 and 6 era.

Also what I was thinking when they mentioned Christmas. But I always thought the date of Jesus' birth and the celebration was changed to be closer to the solstice date, to discourage the pagan celebration. Either way it's like WTF are they thinking associating the Christmas holiday with religion? It's a tradition that doesn't require any belief in the risen christ. It was celebrated in my very secular home when I was growing up

eden it was jusyt outside of Moscow

Even Spock had a painting of the expulsion from Eden hanging in his quarters

@@ssobcza7 Edenski. Must be collusion

That's become secular allegory as well. There other examples from TOS that are much more on point as have been mentioned. I think TNG is more what they were referring to with the "no mention of God" bit. It would be interesting to hear the backstory on those mentions in TOS, as it really does go against Roddenberry's view of the ST universe.

Silvia B. 1) George Takei was still filming Green Beret and was not available. 2) Show Exec's wanted to capitalize on Davy Jones, hence the wig Koenig Hated to wear.

Actually, he was brought in to bring in the teenage viewing audience, girls primarily. He was patterned after Davey Jones of the Monkees.

why TV? Have you seen Star Trek Continues here on KZfaq?

It has, starting in 2017. It's called _The Orville_.

@@felgercarbful So true

That's probably best. For instance, in TOS, we have the Enterprise going faster than Warp 10 in one episode. As for Discovery, believe me, you aren't missing anything.

@@varanid9 - I guess I can understand that.

Shatner also uttered that line in an episode of "Mork and Mindy" as well.

@@markschroeder2578 I haven't seen Mork and Mindy in many years. Lol.

@@markschroeder2578 "Shatner also uttered that line in an episode of "Mork and Mindy" as well." No, he said, "Beam me up, Orson."

These same clips can be found among the extras on one of the early DVD releases of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Starring Pam Greer

Matt, your maniacal, foaming-at-the-mouth racism makes you look like a jerk. If you're a representative of the master race, we're in trouble.

Matt King Yeah why doesn’t Black Panther get the same stereotype criticism? He seems to use the same stereotype.

I didn't see anything wrong with that episode. Native Americans used to kidnap white women all the time.