I believe that Wile E. Coyote lived through situations like that at least twice. Might have happened more than that though. 😀

"At 9.8 meters per second per second, Wile E Coyote's speed would be approaching terminal velocity depending on his coefficient of friction. This would clearly be a fatal fall. Also, a coyote can run faster than a road runner."- Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

@@dougrobinson8602 Thanks for that.

Mr. Coyote is still in litigation with ACME corporation….

WEC also has survived numerous TNT explosions.

Hypersonic bed head FTW!

followed by the worst: "he didn't know that he was on Earth"

Only Tom Cruise hair can survive such an ejection.

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Hope he can get adequate VA treatment for it. 😆

@@Nomad416 He might die in the waiting room.

Lol

It's Tom Cruise 🤣🤣🤣

It's a fun movie with amazing shots of F-18's that will hold up for a long time that's all I care about, rest of it is a movie which is fine

El Robo. Thank you for watching it and leaving it alone. It most certainly was a movie not a documentary.

@@Sivvester same here with the new one AND the original. All about the airplanes for me.

Ward the B-58 had an ejection pod. When the ejection sequence was initiated the pilot was basically in a cocoon.

I was a Navy RIO. I think I saw you in the my after mirror lookin' surprised.

Hardly a renowned scientist, more like a renowned opinionator. The guy spews his opinions and calls that “science,” and people gobble it up because he uses big vocabulary words that sound smart. If you know enough, you know he’s quite off actual science

@@Mobius118 Totally agree.

Neil has a pretty gigantic ... Twitter footprint. I was expecting him to say "ego".

Lol. Good one.

I’m sure he enjoyed the movie. Just his thing to explain the science behind it. It’s not that deep. He did it about James Cameron’s titanic starry night and Cameron contacted him to correct it. It means something to people.

I suppose that example is because it's aircraft related, but I will never forget the nuclear fridge. That one went way, way, way out of my suspension of disbelief.

And, in case anyone missed it, it's just a movie. It's weird that some people spend so much time tearing apart a work of art that was produced with the sole purposes of entertaining us and making some people some money.

the entire cockpit ejects from the plane so Maverick is safe inside the cockpit which floats down to earth same way a space capsule floats down to earth with 3 parachutes. Anyone who thinks Mav ejected the way a fighter pilot would eject is too stupid to be taken seriously. The Entire Cockpit Section Ejects from the Plane with Mav sealed safe inside it.

why have you shortened aircraft? By 4 characters? Theres no limit on youtube, and you don't do it to any other word.

@@PBMS123 why do you care lmao

@@deleted8594 because it looks absurd.

Yes he missed that one!

@@PBMS123 It's called pretentious 🤣

You do have an option in the "Jester Wheel" to tell Jester to set the ejection seat for himself, or for both. I'd recommend leaving him alone, because he does eject if you do something even slightly sketchy (which I do often as a terrible aviator), but there have been times where he's left me screaming "TAKE ME WITH YOU, YOU SON OF A....!!!! *crashes into the ground before I can reach the Ejection Handle*" :D

L O L !! "I can get out and WALK faster than this !!" There should be a lever with a hand on the end, for slapping Jester mode....

Jester bails on all my best leaf-peeping.

I’ve never had Jester leave the party on his own… I must be doing something wrong

@@alexshmalex It's more likely you're NOT doing something "wrong"... :)

Or did he!?

Just trying to prove hes smarter than everyone else......hes a jack wagon

Neil forgot about 1 major factor that saved Maverick: Plot Armor!

People use the "it's just a movie" excuse as if they're elementary school plays and not productions that involved thousands of people and hundreds of millions of dollars to make.

Either you suspend disbelief or its just lots of action and stuff blowing up.

And he gets immediately dismissive when people expose him for a fool.

No, he wouldn't do that at all. If you're going to call someone out, you should probably address a position they hold instead of talking about ghosts.

@@mechanomics2649 LoL, we've all watched him do it...Especially when he is deeply fantasizing he's some sort of profound philosopher.

@@mechanomics2649 You must have missed him saying BB8 was impossible. Only to eat crow when it was shown that they actually made it work.

@@andyfletcher3561 or when talking to stephen hawking

Yes…living in Dallas still remember the sonic booms and seeing the debris smear in the sky that Saturday morning

@@daviddura1172 I would have given this a thumbs up, but I don’t feel that’s be appropriate. I’m from the UK, and was driving on a country road when I heard the news on the car radio. I had to stop the car for a while before I could go on.

Yes.... and remember the shuttle was doing about 17,000 miles per hour during re-entry.... there is no escape capsule, nor any chance to bail out, they do have a option or escape system to bail out of a shuttle, but in all reality it would never be used due to such high speed....

@@daviddura1172 Wow... that's chilling. When I was 5 I was given a Shuttle toy. It was a pencil sharpener that I treasured. In Uruguay in 1984, that toy was not very common. In it's side it was this little signs: "Columbia". All my chilhood that word was synonymous to "space shuttle". Stroke me once that she was lost. Stroke me twice the loss of her crew. Stroke me again to know that with her outcome, the Space Shuttle Program came to an end.

The Columbia shuttle break up is what came to my mind as well. And I used to think the poor astronauts never knew what hit them but I've since read that there is some cockpit audio that contains expletives indicating that at least one of them knew they were about to die. The saddest thing of all though is that the shuttle Atlantis was nearly ready for launch of the next mission and could have been used to rescue Columbia's crew in orbit if anyone has realized how severely their shuttle had been damaged.

He knows what he's talking about 🤔

Musk might be an even better example, whether you like him or not.

Rogan is still waiting to speak

He does it all the time. He's too smart for his own good.

He’s a really smart ignoramus

No, he was captain of the wrestling team, so he would be the one tying you to a telephone pole.

@@Jagar_Tharn BJJ, Systema and shoot fighter, vs wrestling. Yeah, ok. Take your worship elsewhere.

@@SuperEddietv I say you'd be two old men in lockup in no time.

@@MrBrock314 You missed out on the 80's, I can tell. That's sad really. 🤣

@@SuperEddietv Sure guy, and my friend's uncle is a janitor at Nintendo. At least you can readily admit that you're a knuckle-dragging mouth-breather though, so there's that I guess.

Yup. I like Tyson overall, but he's a dinosaur of the I-know-everything-because-I'm-famous species.

“Missile banks” 😂

Tyson has garbage takes on subjects is he a expert in. His opinion in almost all subjects are worthless. I do not like him because he does not sound like a very knowledgeable human being. He's just a click bait artist hiding behind a doctorate degree in hopes that laymen will believe every word that come out of his lying mouth.

@@asherwiggin6456 well, its a battery, and iPhone juice for the twitterati is stored in power banks - it all checks out 😂😂😂 edit: meant battery bank. any way - this is about banks 😂😂

This is the same jack-off that led the "Pluto is not a planet" charge. This guy is stepping way out of his depth, I'll leave it to the aviation professionals, thanks.

The problems with capsules are 2 major ones- 1. they add a tremendous weight penalty, potentially causing a mishap by making the plane too bloated to be able to dodge or jink it's way out of a hit. 2. If the capsule is damaged along with the plane then the crew are screwed. Best to keep the survival gear that the crew needs to leave with them as small as possible to prevent that. Additionally, there are many other flight regimes that the system must be optimized for to maximize their survival in as many different types of mishaps as possible. Unpredictability is the only thing predictable about how any given mishap will occur.

Yup.

@@jameshisself9324 I disagree, the F-111 didn't seem to have this problem.

Remember, he's ejecting at a way high altitude, too. There's been at least one successful ejection from an SR-71 at Mach 3+ without a capsule, the space suit was protection enough. Mach 3+ is way fast but the at 85,000 feet the air is really thin. In that flight regime, the SR-71 is at 400 knots-indicated. The forces on the pilot's body are a function of dynamic pressure, not absolute speed. I'm not saying 100% that you could extrapolate this to Mach 10 and whatever crazy-ass altitude it would/could be at, I'm just saying that it's worth a look, an ejection in a spacesuit and no capsule MIGHT be do-able.

I’d say the jet to each Mach 10 is closer than you think.

He's a phony and probably a communist

Exactly, who follows this idiot?

rather him than you

Yep. He (or she) does get a good ejection.

@@navalinfantry2974 I use “him” like coke. What kind of cokes do you have? Dr Pepper, Root beer, Pepsi, sprite. Coke doesn’t even register as a drink to me. South Texas… my relatives call them Pop, Soda, soda pop. Absolutely could’ve been a female pilot.

But probably not

There’s also the flash back to the ejection scene in the first top gun movie

@@MrPlaneTalk I mean, the bad guys appear to be from "not-Iran", so the chance of any of their pilots being female....

He's made out of Tomcruision.

@@sloppydog4831 He has those alien force fields given to him by the scientology people.

Please don't ruin the experience for everybody by talking during a movie, and stop teaching your son bad manners.

Honestly, I like the fan theory that Maverick dies in the deathstar crash and everything that happens after is a dream.

Yep, steal, carbon fibre, Titanium allripped to shreds, but a body made up of more than 2/3 water remains intact and uninjured. Don't know how they do it, but I'd like to get hold of whatever it is that protects you like that. He'll, car crashes would not kill anyone if they were installed in cars.

And one of my pilots hit the water at 600 plus knots. We only found part of his helmet and flight vest.

Yeah, I caught that one and thought it was cool, maverick never killed anyone in the movie

I was about to mention this. There are 7 ejections.

Do either of the Hind pilots eject?

@@cerebralm Eject from a helicopter?

@@cerebralm Hind do not have ejection system.

Exactly!

I'm surprised that Neil thought the Darkstar had a traditional ejection seat. The only thing visible in the movie was a lot of debris at high altitude, so I assumed the pilot capsule could be ejected as a whole.

@@pirx9798 It’s because he’s bored. And he gets a rise out of people thinking he’s smart.

@@swigityswooty7887 I think you missed the part where he's still likely right.

@@MrBrock314 You miss the part that Neil is an idiot!

Exactly. Neil is a phony and an egomaniac.

HA HA HA really that is why I do not go to MODEREN Holy Wood MILITARY MOVIES after being in the military.

@@alphonsotate2982 Cause you can't separate entertainment from reality? Wow you're fun at parties

@@alphonsotate2982 cringe

Good eye. Excellent attention to detail.

It was an escape pod 100%. Lockheed Martin literally had a hand in this movie.

I'm glad I'm not a female physicist

He’s not a real scientist just an actor

It's not even that. They are not his own thoughts. He just copies and pastes science facts and tries to push them off as his own findings and sadly there are a ton of idiots out there that believe it is all him and think he is smart. The guy has zero accomplishments in his field. The media needed a non-white science guy and he won the job. There is absolutely nothing special about the guy.

@@klc758 he's in the same class as Bill Nye the Science Guy

@@klc758 actually, he does have a PhD in astrophysics based on a paper he wrote analyzing star density around the center of our galaxy. To be fair, his celebrity role is indeed more successful than his physics one. As for GM's reply, Nye is an aerospace engineer by trade.

Yep, if you look close, both Su-57 pilots eject (you can just see this before the 1st one is destroyed by the missile) This is one of the more realistic depictions of air combat shown on film, let's not drag it down with assumptions about a non-existent hypersonic aircraft's (sorry China, not a real plane) theoretical lack of capabilities to help the pilot survive! :)

That's my theory. The whole thing is like a rehearsal of his life before and after the first film, and the run on the target is so much like the death star attack. It's hard to suspend disbelief if it's supposed to be real, but makes perfect sense as his dying thoughts/dreams.

@@stacymcmahon453 The dialogue makes me think he's already dead from the Darkstar incident, but that he has "unfinished business" before he can move on. For instance, all the other pilots are dead. They died because the raid was performed without Maverick, at 400' and 400 knots, Hangman is the only one that makes it to the target because he charged in and left Rooster and everyone else behind to get picked off by the SU-57's but he missed the target without a wingman to guide his bombs and got picked off by the SAMs because he didn't have backup. Penny and her daughter died in a tragic boating accident years ago leaving Maverick alone with no one to "mourn him when he finally burns in". So flying is literally all he has when he gets the word that the only thing in his life that has meaning will be taken away from him. So now he knows his life is over, but he has an opportunity to end it for a good cause. So when he reaches Mach 10, he pushes it farther partly because he's Maverick, but also because his life is over anyway so why not end it on a high note. Iceman is LITERALLY being a "guardian angel" to help Mav and the others finish their business and once Mav is setup on the path to redemption, he earns his wings and moves on. Leaving Hondo and Warlock also as literal guardian angels who's job it is point out to Maverick when he's straying from the path to redemption "I don't like that look Mav" is his angel reminding him that suicide is a sin, but otherwise not interfering with his choices. But Maverick pulls through, makes the right decisions. along with the younger pilots that died in the ill fated raid, and they all "earn their wings" in the end and fly into the sunset. Sort of like a "It's a Wonderful Life" but with fighter jets.

Indeed. I got tired of posting similar (few want to hear it), but glad the idea has traction.

I like this answer best, they say your life flashes before your eyes when you die. Well no one really knows who is still alive. But maybe this two hour movie is what went through his head as he was dying.

You make an excellent point. At the altitude these SR series of jets operate the air density is very thin. Fewer molecules to collide with means less friction which means way lower heat.

True. The fact that Felix Baumgartner went supersonic after jumping from a balloon at 128,000 feet proves how few air molecules are getting in your way at extreme altitudes. Rate of deceleration would be very low. Temperatures would also be insanely low, which would help prevent the pilot's pressure suit from burning up. Not to mention the lack of oxygen. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an ego trip on steroids. Just watch any interview with him.

​@@14goldmedals You make a great point about the air density but technically similar heat since the kinetic energy will convert to heat, but you are correct because it would happen over a much longer time due to the low air density so the temperature will be much lower.

I have a off topic question relating to air density and comments in this post. How can a pressurized system exist side by side to a vacuum.. and I think rotation adds to the sum of the equation..

@@davidsuzukiispolpot Actually he would be severely burnt due to aerodynamic heating.

Proof that if you eject at a supersonic speed you get hit by a bus.

Bah-dumb-bum!!

In my excitement to respond with this post, I made an error in describing the aerodynamic device fitted to the front of the seat structure. It was more of a Shock cone that would create the aerodynamics to divert the supersonic Windstream from the pilot. It isn't a wave form generator.

Correct you and me are the only smart people on here - the entire cockpit ejects from the plane so Maverick is safe inside the cockpit which floats down to earth same way a space capsule floats down to earth with 3 parachutes. Anyone who thinks Mav ejected the way a fighter pilot would eject is too stupid to be taken seriously. The Entire Cockpit Section Ejects from the Plane with Mav sealed safe inside it.

Maybe I need to watch it again, but I could swear Rooster's issue with Maverick was that Mav pulled Rooster's papers and "set his career back 4 years", not because of the Mav/Goose incident in TG.

@@frigglefragglewaggit6923 Was about to say the same.

@@frigglefragglewaggit6923 It was both . . . . Rooster did bring up that his dad believed in Maverick and he himself wouldn't make that same mistake, but he was mostly pissed thatMav pulled his papers. That WAS his primary beef.

Would encapsulate the crew members individually and could still fly the jet with the pod closed, but still in the plane.(in the case of a decompression of the crew compartment.

B-1A was a crew pod design. That didn’t work too well during an aft CG test flight at Edwards AFB when the aircraft departed and the crew separated via the pod. It was all good until impact with the ground at just the wrong swing rate, killing one of the crew. When President Reagan resurrected the program, the B-1B was redesigned to have individual seats among many other changes. Extra crewmen could also bail out the bottom crew entrance.

@@TJAkin The B1A was to use 4 separate seats just like the B1B. The 4th B1A prototype was built using the 4 seats as the capsule design, similar to the F-111 was dropped. The B1A that crashed had a parachute riser malfunction causing the right front corner to hit first instead of the squarely onto the airbags causing the pilots seat to break a 40g rated bolt.

F-111 had the capsule. B-1A had the capsule. B-1B has individual seats. We were on B-1B CTF still using modified B-1As in the early 1980s, when a departure from controlled flight happened at low level, and the crew initiated the capsule separation sequence. Chief Test Pilot for Rockwell, Doug Benefield, was killed on-impact when the capsule landed, due to him not having full restraints on in his seat. That was in 1984 before the first production B-1B had even rolled-out. I was there for the roll-out ceremony as well at Plant 42. F-111Es were used as chase planes for the low level test flights on the B-1B CTF. F-106As and at least two F-106Bs were also used as chase planes on B-1B CTF. They had really large, hi-vis flash paint jobs on their vertical stabs with B-1 planform logos and the word “CHASE” at the base of the triangular art.

@@LRRPFco52 We've had this discussion before. The first 3 B1A's had the capsule, the 4th and last B1A had 4 ejection seats(just like all B1Bs did), as would any future B1A's had the went into production.

Perhaps it's on purpose to make people think....

Or, he's just trying to use the moment to educate and people are getting bent out of shape over nothing.

@Chris Bullard Yes. I’d theorize that there were some deployable fins that come out after cockpit separation. Those are necessary to bring the Center of Pressure back enough behind the pod’s Center of Gravity for it to be stable. Perhaps a parachute was used as well, just to slow it enough for Mav to actually eject safely.

@@mechanomics2649 We are not getting any more bent out of shape than you and other cone heads are! We think Neil Tyson is a tool! its very simple!

...and the sound of his own voice...

Apparently a lot of people hate him here because he pointed out the low chance of survival in their favorite movie. It's not a big deal and Neil never said he didn't enjoy it or that it was a big deal. I personally love analyzing fiction for inaccuracies or just something that could have been done more logically. It's a fun thing to do and doesn't mean the story was bad or the movie sucks as a result.

Pretty sure he has addressed how Santa could or could not do that. To scientists, everything is worth picking apart. :)

The speed isn't fictional.

Where did he complain? Are you so fragile that you can't stand someone taking something happening in a movie as an opportunity to educate?

I'm reminded of the time someone asked him when we'll have flying cars and he was like "we already do, they're called helicopters". Yea why don't you park one on your driveway/garage if they're the same thing? Or is it that what people mean by "flying car" is a flying vehicle the size and shape of a car? Half the stuff he chooses to comment on these days makes me roll my eyes.

Though, a choreographed spoiling attack at the airfield and missile batteries at the point where the aircraft are doing their canyon run would probably alleviate the SAM threat and draw away any lingering aircraft. When the airfield gets hit by the cruise missiles, the cat's out of the bag anyway. Why not add some HARMs to the fray?

@@antisoda You clearly don’t remember the SAMs on the ridge line around the crater. You can hardly bombard them without generating debris to affect the target down below.

I didn't even watch the movie and I immediately knew Neil wasn't making any sense. It's in the movie synopsis that the whole operation hinges on stealth.

You'd think it's obvious but there are a lot of people missing some basic understanding of physics. That is NDT's mission - to educated people about science and to raise awareness.

yup. the first 5th gen fighter Maverick sucker punches with his guns, does eject. so, Ward Carroll missed that ejection. if you slow it down you can see the pilot eject right after the first smoke in the air part

@@skyyfiman He also missed the flashback to Maverick and Goose ejecting in the first movie.

Clearly they were made of transparent aluminum, not glass, and the stepmother must have used slight-of-hand to expose the slipper to gallium before it broke. Obviously. I mean, that's just science.

Yes this is correct, it's like this in the Air Force and I'm sure its no different in the Navy.

so much this. because there is a difference between mach 3 and mach 10 - thus the blackbird mishap is not applicable to the maverick scene, IMO. As kinetic energy goes with the square of velocity, the difference in energy could be a factor of 10. By contrast, the x-15 is at least much, much closer to the maverick speeds. Of course there are other factors such as air density. And I would suspect that low air density at 78k (?) is what allowed the sr-71 mishap to be survivable in the first place - so who knows, maybe maverick flew as high as snoop dogg ...

btw. upon further consideration: I think altitude was left out of the scene deliberately. I suspect it makes a huge difference for survival - whether Mav disintegrated/ejected at 100k ft (dead) or 150 k ft (perhaps similar to the blackbird). This suspicion is solely based on the drag force based on air density - neglecting anything else.

Another option would be a B-2 strike.

The problem is America is the largest most high tech military in the world, so they have so many options. If it were a smaller country that was out-matched and needed the element of surprise a canyon run might make sense. Can't send in SEAD because opponent has Air Sup and our protagonists don't have enough SEAD. Can't just hit the missile batteries because not enough intel + missiles to reliably get them all (plus yeah, maybe mobile SAM sites). Can't just DFA because don't have good enough bombers to overwhelm enemy air sup.

Me think you overthunk it.

The mission was required for the plot, that is all. The giveaway was how GPS jammers negated our stealth F-35s. ????? That was the "ok, whatever, they just need the spectacular low level ingress".

They could've got the Air Force on board. A Combined Fleet of F-16s & F-18s along with a B-2 would be a deadly combo.

The problem with that logic is the plane was built to survive those forces too...

@@jonathandebona8934 Seems like that's less a problem and more a reason for agreeing with my logic. If one of the most highly engineered pieces of machinery known to modern civilized man can be pushed to those heat tolerances and forces, than it's kind of silly for a man as intelligent as Neil DeGrasse Tyson to presume such minds wouldn't have accounted for any reasonable eventuality with the ejection system. If there's any, "Hollywooding up" in that scene, it's that even a cavalier castonia's laden, "stick jockey" such as Maverick would not have pushed the airframe past the limit like that. No amount of engineering (whether it be the airframe, heat shielding, or ejection system) would have a reasonable chance of being effective if he pushed it that far. He'd have been as dead as Dillinger! And it wouldn't have been because of the ejection scenario. Wouldn't it have been funny if they showed him having to answer for that stunt and all the money in that jet that went up like a campfire marshmallow. They would have bounced his ass far beyond the cargo plane flying rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong scenario suggested to him in the first movie. Ha.

Goose also shows up as an Obi Wan ghost to guide Maverick through the Canyon. Use the force Mav!

Eru Ilúvatar was well pleased with the work he had done and sent him back with increased ability to use his power.

I like this theory. Thumbs up.

You beat me to that fact.

This is an amazing fact and I can't believe I never heard it before.

Googling now, thanks

Its at best a concept design. There is no technical data on the plane needed to be censored in the name of national security. Including the ejection system. Skunkworks most definitely didn't do any path and design a ejection system for the plane. At best they took a pod design, did some number crunching and said "it's possible" and left it at that. How is the pod designed? what are the odds and under what conditions? probably not even they know.

Main reason why the XB-70 Valkyrie had ejection seats that fully enclosed their crew in a shuttered capsule before firing, They could also enclose the crew if cabin pressure was lost, but the plane could still be controlled.

Yes but this is also Mach 10 not Mach 3

@@chickennugg3847 yes but the air density difference over the 20k+ feet between 78k feet and 100k feet, especially at the top of the Karman Line is incredibly low.

@@saintmobius5348 ok fair but here’s my thought of it as someone who only has minor knowledge of air density at altitude. The SR71 pilot had his co pilot disintegrated and his oxygen hose was holding on by literally a thread, while moving at around 3.2 times the speed yeah the air density is a lot less but is it more than 3 times less? I don’t think so at least in my mind.

Yeah, but he’s pretty dense.

@@chickennugg3847 The difference in pressure is 4 Kpa to close to 0Kpa, or some atmospheric pressure to nothing. That’s a sizeable drop in pressure, and could allow someone ejecting at 100k feet to slow down gradually rather than hitting a brick wall.

Even at 100.000 ft it'd be instantaneously fatal. You say the heat friction on the metal parts of the plane, so if he ejected with a seat, that same friction would burn through his suit, visor, thus compromising the pressure integrity of his suit and kill him. He'd also obviously receive major 3rd degree burns as well. The only way Mav survives is if the Darkstar had an ejection pod.

@@Nghilifa At 10x that it's certainly not fatal, but depends how much air is still left at 100, 000 feet. At 1 million, it's perfectly survivable as there's not enough air to matter.

So you're saying NDT is half right.

Possible and could save the crew's life but a shield/hood would not be enough at hypersonic speeds and I reckon the chance of survival is not high enough. Well IDK i the military have lower requirements at high speeds, but if they want a decent chance, pods is the only solution that I would imagine is acceptable

He's not a real Dr.

I saw some other pilots complain about that too. The G-forces would be at the base of the mountain and at the crest if you did the smart thing of following the terrain, not the whole way up.

Dude that turn was over the entire United States it was not sharp like you say cw lemione a real pilot verified this

You mean when it did a turn with the radius of a whole continent? I don’t think it could turn any less sharp than that

It’s also editing. That scene fits that moment in the movie better. It doesn’t mean that scene literally happens immediately after he reached Mach 9.

Exactly!