whoa there xD

😂

Comparing Glazers to Nazis.. a bit over the top😅

joke >>> you@@simonbrooks399

@@simonbrooks399 Its called a joke you air head

We need to stop living in the past that’s all it is memories, we need to move forward and build our future.

did you watch the video, they said that there are limitations to how they can expand which is the whole point of looking to build a new stadium.

100% need to start from the ground up. A renovation would cost almost as much and wouldn't be nearly as good as a rebuild. I do think the fans should have some input into the design. Don't want a stadium that looks like Wembley. It must still remind us of Old Trafford and our history in some way.

Every historical stadium or arena have been through major renovations. Look at Madison Square Garden. If they didn't renovate, that arena would be rotted down to bits. You want to go to a match in a rotting stadium?

​​​​​@@AK-gs8mw United's history is what makes us.There are fans who have spread the ashes of their loved ones on that pitch. Keep that stadium and redevelop it like Real Madrid is doing. The feeling that you get when you're there, like Cantona have said the ghosts of the players from the past, its true. I'm not from Manchester, I'm from India. Have been a United fan for 24 years now, right from the time I started watching football. I lived in Manchester for a few months and the first thing I did when I landed in Manchester was to visit Old Trafford. The feeling that you get, it's overwhelming. I literally rememeber saying to my friend, this is where the Busby babes kicked the ball. He had no idea about football but even he felt proud when I explain ro him what United is all about. I don't know man, its a feeling like your ancestral home being kicked down and being replaced by a posh villa. Of course, the villa is better, but will it have the same emotions associated with it.?

How many hours did it take you to think up that one?

The Biggest Club in The World Bound to have Supporters All Over The World

What? a big majority of Manchester is red

LMAO@@CorinMusic2012

@@Lipsymipsytipsymanchester is blue.

How apt, comparing it to a clapped out Land Rover.

@@brianshockledge3241 what you don't understand is Sir Jim then went and drove the land rover across the gobi desert for a month without breaking down once. Proving that although aomthin might be old with a bit of TLC it can create stories and memories again. Just like old Trafford could.

​@@brianshockledge3241I wonder if the landy had a leaky roof.

That's according to your sentimentality (I'd be sad too leaving such an iconic & historic ground). However technical precedence should take priorities over anything. Let's stop this sentimentality fc mindset that have left this club rotting in the dust for over a decade now. Of course if renovating Old Trafford turns out to be enough, I would 100% support that decision.

@@biggusotongus1121 you are right it is sentiment Old Trafford is a ground that's go such a history it would be criminal to lose it.

Isn’t there a station in the ground? I remember going there once and getting off the train and going straight into the stadium, avoiding all the atmosphere

I recall it has something to do with the surrounding property ownership including some kind of luxury home neighborhood

Half the point of a football game is walking up to the grounds and charging up the atmosphere

There isn't enough room to build another tier because of the railway. They can't build over it because they don't own all the houses on the other side of it.

@@johnmccadden9963 Well Said. We want an Expansion to approx 90K capacity, Modern refurbishment & a Levelled Retractable New Roof! There's an completed stadium design on WHF!🔰@UtdWesleyy with a comment stating: So apparently we are looking at an expansion of Old Trafford. It’s been talked about for years but put off because of the complications around the south section of the stadium but if we do manage to do it…🔴 2 Tier SBC Capacity: 88,000+ We're sure that can be achieved with minimal fuss by observation cos its already laid out going by our walk around the stadium experience. The Stadium Must Not Exceed the rail way track! Worth a view, please share!

@@johnmccadden9963 Well Said. We want an Expansion to approx 90K capacity, Modern refurbishment & a Levelled Retractable New Roof! There's an completed stadium design on WHF!🔰@UtdWesleyy with a comment stating: So apparently we are looking at an expansion of Old Trafford. It’s been talked about for years but put off because of the complications around the south section of the stadium but if we do manage to do it…🔴 2 Tier SBC Capacity: 88,000+ We're sure that can be achieved with minimal fuss by observation cos its already laid out going by our walk around the stadium experience. The Stadium Must Not Exceed the rail way track! Worth a view, please share!

​@@johnmccadden9963they can build over it so the trains run underneath the south stand through a tunnel And they could extend the tracks to spur off and start to travel high up and do a circuit around the stadium so the passengers can have a complete visual tour of the Stadium and learn about its history from 1910 through WW1 and WW2 bombing up until those charlatans bought the club with stolen money It would be a match day experience for those not keen on Glory Hunting Football but we're train enthusiasts And on the Trains the passengers would be allowed to wave from the windows at the fan in the stadium

@@johnmccadden9963 I thought the mayor of manchester said they were all in with what Manchester United would want to do with their stadium. And this is not a surprise because if Old Trafford is renovated and the capacity of the stadium is increased (even in the railway side) then it profits the city of manchester too as Old Trafford/Manchester United is a huge asset for the city in terms of tourism and so forth.

The cost of a new stadium would be insane

​@@fintanduffyableagreed. We've seen cost overruns on past large stadium builds of 80-100%. We're already talking about numbers of £1.2-1.5Bn for a new stadium. It is a huge financial risk. We are talking about the most expensive club stadium build in world football at a time when the club already has significant debt and the Glazer parasites are still there.

yeh image the highlight of Utd's season being talk about moving the stadium..literally just to drum up sentiment.

Fan from London?

@@tufael2965original

Honestly, Old Trafford is one of the worst stadiums I've been to. You have to sit at an angle as there's no room for your legs in front of you. Everywhere is leaking. Just horrible. It's a 75,000 stadium that should probably be 50,000.

@@tufael2965 original

@@richcymru3976 It does need some serious work. Lowering the capacity though is a bad idea because the demand for tickets is high enough as it is. All the major matches sell out pretty quickly and it's incredibly difficult to get a seat if you're not a season ticket holder. If anything the club would benefit from increasing the capacity because of the high demand.

It’s Owed Trafford

nah it’s too much. the amount of work needed to get Old Trafford to world standards is gonna cost way more than a new stadium. it’s not just gonna be a simple £800m

⁠@@onouphriossimple not true, teams like Chelsea and Liverpool have proven that. Using a cantilever system to fix the south side issue, and a renovation of the internals would cost £1bill - £1.2bill. Ripping down and rebuilding would cost £2bill+

Like that ​@@robertmclellan3658

Old Trafford is a suburb of Manchester, New Trafford isn't

Yeah what a dumbass

Not to mention making it easier for the tourists...sorry fans to get there.

@@brianshockledge3241 wdym it makes no difference tourists do drive in england as well.

@@benballerdidthechain9095 Many of which make their way to Salford and old scaffold.

Wembley is the only place in England where a World Cup final should be played.

You're an engineer I take it?

Are u mad? Man utd is sold out every week

@@junaidamin5137 can’t you read? They said the record attendance.

@@Dude0000 so old trafford has 75,000 max capacity, wouldnt sold out mean the same as record attendance u idiot?

@@Dude0000 The funny thing is the highest ever home attendance in the history of the English football league is held by Manchester City and 2nd place is Chelsea with Manchester United in 3rd place and the match was played at Maine Road so according to the hater’s who say that city and Chelsea has no fans are the top 2 and the highest attendance to watch Manchester United at home is a match that was played at the noisy neighbours stadium in the season old Trafford was being rebuilt as a result of the war. I have not counted a match in the season Tottenham played at Wembley because it was the national stadium and not a domestic league ground.

up the wolves

And find someone who knows how to cook chicken.

@@robertmclellan3658 yes and beef

Focus on your team. Let the owners worry about that.

@prakashm1468 lol I support Man Utd mate

What has training facilities got to do with the stadium?

@@Art-is-craft they fall under the umbrella of “ investing in the club “

Most United fans live around the world considering the relatively INSIGNIFICANT numbers of British fans... watdu suggest now?

Mind your own small irrelevant club business mate.

Because their home stadium sells out where it is...go figure 😊

@@rohitrevankar7674 Middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

Only Newcastle have more season ticket holders living within a 10 mile radius and they have no choice.

Ronaldo wasn’t battered for stating the obvious. Ronaldo was battered for storming off from ETH and crying to Piers Morgan of all people.

role not roll

That's what I was thinking.

that will cost too much money and will need so many permits and approval stamps....

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@@MihailBFC well like they are going to use our money lol.

@muanpuiarenthlei8113 is not only about money, is about the time that will take to get the permits to build that tunnel

In fact they are locals, England is region of Pakistan.

Kind of like what tottenham did

Terrible idea... I dont want us to be like Manchester City🤮. You can't buy the history fools

Yeah but no club has history lile United & im a villa fan... The busby babes played there, george best, Law, cantona ... The liat is endless, the energy at OT comparws to know where in england... From a villa fan

@@czntv1046man city better

well if u do some reading…. the council and mayor said they can do what they want lol…. they own the land… and wil make a bigger attraction and make more jobsb

Trafford council

Manchester United OWN most of the land on Trafford park. Easy to do😂

I don't understand why anyone thinks it's much more expensive to renovate the current stadium than to build a new one. Building Spurs stadium at current prices of raw materials and excluding site cost would cost over 1.5Bn. Utd would want a bigger stadium than Spurs but probably won't care about some of the NFL specific features of the ENIC stadium. Numbers such as £1.2-1.5Bn are being thrown out but let's assume Ratcliffe can leverage his existing construction contracts to agree an initial figure closer to a 1.2 Bn than 1. 5Bn. That's the best case scenario and numbers are still huge. The worst case scenario is the new stadium ends up costing 80-100% more, which will impact the club's ability to finance the squad for years. It would not the first time in the last 2 decades that a stadium build has gone over 80% over estimate. Spurs, Wembley, Bernabeau renovation etc all went massively over budget. Perhaps the revenue model will change such that football clubs can get more cash from streaming etc but that wouid require an end to the redistributive nature of the Premier League deal. UEFA and the FA do not want this to happen. Merely adding another 15k seats in a nicer stadium will take years to chip away at those debt levels. Utd's current match day revenues are abiut 137Mn. It is conceivable a new 90k mega stadium could do over £200M per year in its first year. But Utd have relied on March day revenue to fund transfers so if we end up with £2.5-2.8Bn of debt out of this new build and including existing debt, we will spend every penny of match day revenues on debt servicing. Real Madrid's stadium renovation has been closer to a complete rebuild while keeping the ground of the Bernabeau. Structural and cosmetic works have transformed the stadium info something much more modern and with a higher capacity of 84k. Getting extra capacity was tough for Madrid because the current stands were fully developed, unlike Old Trafford. They increased the height and changed the tiering of the stadium. The total spend will be close to £1.2Bn. This was way over budget due to raw materials cost increases but it would have been much worse if it was a complete rebuild. The financial advantage of building a new stadium is the ability to keep fans attending a capacity old Trafford during a multi year construction project. The downsides are the state Old Trafford will be in by the time the new stadium is ready (may not even be safe to run at capacity), the massive additional cost, and the loss of a historic ground. It's a tough call. I'm happier Ratcliffe is there because he's much more canny than the Glazers but building a Wembley of the North is the most ambitious project any football club in the world could consider right now.

Ld Trafford can be increased to 100000 or 90000 easily without creating billions of debt.

@brianshockledge3241 I am a red Mancunian, as are my family and friends. So shut up

Replace demolish with renovate Replace build with refurnish And replace future proof with Theater Of Dreams And you got a plan

That black guy sounded German 😂

Same for City and Liverpool

Someone is mad in 6th place lol

Becausd were the biggest and most followed club in the world 😂😂😂 jelousy 😮

*cough* Anfield *cough*

@@rocketmonty9916 inhalers,enough said.

@@patrickmalone1902 still a more iconic stadium than old toilet

@@rocketmonty9916 What a childish comment,hows the weather in norway today,or is it Wales?.

@@patrickmalone1902 Quebec Canada. Bit nippy and about 30cm snow everywhere. But unlike the Brits, the Canadians just get on with it and the country doesn't shut down over 3 snow flakes

Sadly most of the Morons who are screaming for old Trafford to be torn down don't have a clue who he is Dennis Violet ? Yea only a Manchester United legend and one of the greatest players the team has ever had a survivor of the Munich Air Disaster

Support Birmingham, Villa or West Brom. Or even one of the local non league clubs. Your community needs you.

@@Mikejames1080 I don't necessarily disagree with you but I was raised in a household of United fans and now it's kinda just stuck! That being said I do wat h quite a few Birmingham games when I get the chance :)

@@Mikejames1080 newsflash dummy - if people only supported the clubs close to them, all premier league stadiums would be empty

I agree 100%

would you be down with a new stadium for the mens, keeping old trafford for womens and under 21s - making the area a double stadium complex

only in the case the area around it is redeveloped as and used for events and really becoming social gathering place that has a lot of footfall, otherwise a derelict stadium that sometimes has games is not so great for urban development thats opposite media city, the sheikh would have gone all in on this @@matthewbaker2573

Man Utd have never been the biggest club. They’ll never overtake Real Madrid on that front.

@@gmac673 who said that

Not when they realise what footing the bill for it will do to any aspirations of winning another title in the next ten years.

would be too expensive and would take nearly 10 years we need a new stadium at some point we are going to need a new stadium assessment done by one architect said that it was nearing end of its use we cant keep living in the past

Not everything old needs to be torn down​@@jamalmunroe6852

@@jamalmunroe6852 It is not to expensive building a new stadium for 2 billion is too expensive for only a 14000 increase in attendance.

Agreed, if they already own the land it's the most obvious option. Patching up the current stadium is a waste of money. Bridging over the railway to renovate the South Stand would be hideously expensive too.

Two Manchester shitty plastic fan responses, why don’t you worry about the 115 and let united fans, executives and owner worry about where they want to play.

croke park is 💩 & out of date too

@@CarlosGambino_22 you have not been there if you say that

@@user-xx8ot7go2z yeah... i have twice,,..

@@CarlosGambino_22 croke park probably one best stadiums in the world

I'm born bred East London live 10 minutes away from London stadium (home of west ham united) but I support the red half of Manchester.

@@JalalUddin-us9ez exactly, you are the stereotypical United fan

United have more fans than there are people living in Manchester. It's simple maths.

That’s the worst thing they should do - this is a decision for the long term benefit of the club. We’re talking about a decision that will affect the club for the next 70-100 years, long after most of us are gone. The last thing we need is an emotional war between fans….the decision should be made by INEOS and once made, then fans can have an input.

Absolutely I agree that fans should get a vote but I can't see it happening unfortunately

sir jim has already spoken to the supporters group - in the long run, a new stadium would be cheaper

@@matthewbaker2573 doesn't mean it should be done because it's 'cheaper', the right thing needs to be done which is to protect our history and legacy of all the greats that have played at Old Trafford

@@joshcookson89 what and spend even more money while trying to get out of debt? A new stadium would bring additional revenue in the millions through other events old Trafford is not suitable for. There comes a point when a building has had its use. And all you can do is keep putting plasters on it. Which just bleeds cash Is that what you'd prefer🤦‍♂️

Stadiums get old and have to be replaced. It's been around over 100 years and the amount of repair work is more than the cost of building a new stadium right next to it. If you want it to stay there, you have to tear each side down to the studs, and it's not going to be playable while they do that.

Traditional ? Its a mess and needs a full rebuild.

I don't think it will

It can you seem to not understand how much the government gets from this stadium

And? No one talks about rebuilding a stadium and then rebuilds it within the same week you air head, it obviously takes years of planning.🤦‍♂

That’s not a long time, do u understand how massive an undertaking this is? Will cost over a billion pounds

stupid comment

@@403MC2How long did it take United to accumulate the billion that they owe?

​@@meenism😂 perfect response

Pardon?

Eh?

They speak english not american😂😂😂

Ha ha! I love their accent - I have spent a lot of time in Manchester - it's a lovely city.

I agree. But the funny thing is, only three of them were actual "Mancs". There was a northern irish lady, and various accents from at least three other continents......gotta love the melting pot that is MUFC.

Small club mentality... they have no real sense of ambition to be the best or biggest... while United will have it no other way... we have to be the best and biggest or BUST. Just a matter of time until the football starts really talking.

⁠@@rohitrevankar7674Well if bloody Rohit says that Liverpool are a small club then it must be true 😂

@@rohitrevankar7674 The biggest and best with your 3 CL titles.

If ur not a liverpool fan then keep ur mouth shut

@@fromthefountofyouth It's a matter of mentality.. your club will feel small and cheap even with 10 UCL titles. it's a simple matter of fact. Such an ordinary and characterless stadium for a supposed big club. Where's the ambition to actually beat city outright? How is it that not going all in for Bellingham and Mbappe wasn't a clear goal and enough motivation for Klopp to stay on? Typical small club style of operations. United are fractured club and we have got a million problems but you guys are on your way towards another 30 year hiatus lmao.

You're slow.

Thats what happens when youre the biggest club in the world not just your town/city/country

Its a global institution with fans double the population of America. You can get United fans everywhere

@@reppent Barcelona and Real Madrid are bigger than Man U.

@@Lazfah they went ahead during the Ronaldo Messi era, now that both have left only real can boost of being "bigger" they have a lot of glory hunter fans

Take it your teams not good enough for fans from all over the world to watch eh.

Put the most trophies won in English football history on it 🤫🤫

Yeah they’ve tried rioting and it got them nowhere except locked up with the nearest to Manchester coming from Stoke.

😂😂😂 Move to Wembley... Move to Wembley 🤣🤣🤣

​@@the_80skidit makes sense, that is after all where 75% of the fan base come from

@@MichaelChurchill1982 🤣🤣🤣 75% of their fan base.... 75% of their fan base 🤣🤣🤣 WTF is this??? I see the stupid factory has been working overtime.... Wohohoho! 75% of their fan base 🤣🤣🤣

​@@the_80skid 75% of the fan base is about 400 million people

@FetsumBerhaneDire *News flash... There's not 400 million people in the whole of the United Kingdom... Nevermind London... Honestly, What is going on with people??*

6th isn’t mid table mate

Be able to fill it Unlike City 😅

@@ManchesterUtdz cope. it is

@@nst1981 12th-8th is mid table

Chelsea spent way more than that, just to barely avoid relegation.

I think the issue is cars getting out on the roads after. Seems logical to build them high, but our towns and cities are severly lacking infrastructure. A secure car park out of the city with free public transport to the stadium could work.

@@richcymru3976 I understand that...was born and lived in Birmingham. And there's not much free room on the island left in the cities!