Jim Lee had lots of reference magazines back then: National Geographic, Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler. He gave them all to Greg Land later on.

Growing up in the 2000s, every How to Draw book was aping the Jim Lee/Image style. Every time I see Jim Lee draw a spaceship, I see no imagination in it because it looks like every book I got a scholastic book fair. Not to mention that FF should be the craziest, most high-concept book in Marvel’s corner at any given time and this Choi guy wants to turn it into the first 5 minutes of Austin Powers 3

Ringo and Todd Dezago did Tellos for image .And Ringo Also drew an issue of Gen13 Bootleg for Wildstorm.

That commentary on Sue's pose when she sees Ben for the first time had me DYIN.

i can seriously appreciate eps where they have more negative than positive to say lol

Yeah, Todd Dezago and Mike Wieringo's Image story was TELLOS. Beautifully written and IMO, Ringo's greatest work. You need to find the big collected hardcover. It would make a GREAT kayfabe episode.

The suggestion of The Moleman on a bowflex machine made me lol

you know I really miss the 90s comics, granted some of the art work was overly stylisized and ridiculous and female characters were always sexualized. but that was all part of the fun, at the end we read comics for fun. not because we wanna read a 5 hours serious movie.. huge steroid characters gun blazing, throwing pop culture references and getting an unexpected crossover at the end of a arc, was always fun. nowadays comics don't have these stuff at all. now every comic wants to be edgy and political

Weringo did do his own comic/title under Image (cliffhanger) called Tellos. good fantasy type story that really hits you in the "feels" man

I think Jim Lee's more interesting when inked by someone other than Scott Williams. Would be interesting for you guys to check out Punisher War Journal 8 and 11, inked by Lee himself and Klaus Janson, respectively.

I loved the Defalco/Ryan run on FF that proceeded this book.

Why weren't the Fantastic Four ever arrested for commandeering the spaceship and going into space ahead of the planned launch??

Would love to see you guys go through the 5 issues of the Silver Surfer Black by Tradd Moore

At the time Disney/Pixar made The Incredibles, they didn't know they were going to buy Marvel. Fox had the movie rights to Fantastic 4. The entire 3rd act of Fantastic 4 has undergone extensive changes as a result of Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles!

the whole hero's reborn thing has to be one of the worst idea ever

"... no pun intended." BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! I spit my morning coffee all over my desk.

This is a really interesting video for me because, this comics is the first comics i bought at the age of 9, and i loved it. I'm french so at that time, and especially at my age, super heroes comic books were not a really common thing to find and read. An interesting thing is that this issue was printed on glossy paperin France, so the rendering of colors was more enjoyable on our version. Plus, the dynamism and precision of Jim Lee's pencil was sooo different of the classical humoristic french comic book, which was common to read at that time, so for me it blows my mind ! In fact, discovering comics, the characters (FF in France are way less famous than x-men, spidey, avengers and so on), dr Doom ("dr Fatalis" in french) this comic book was perfect for me. i think the real mistake was to implemant it in the continuity. But, at least it gives the idea of the Marvel Ultimate univers, and gives the credibility of recreation of old characters in a modern way, and (with this bunch of "movies clichés") opening a road for all the following modern super hero movies. Thank you for this critic but really fun video and souvenirs ! :)

Love watching you guys walk through the past.

Just saw yesterday's post this morning. Couldn't have anticipated I would be watching this compare and contrast second video today. The idea of the Heroes Reborn line seemed like such a fun idea... it never seemed to gel into something other than, "not pay off "... thanks for sharing this collection of not Jim Lee moments. Still a sucker for some Jim Lee comics though.

Haha, so true, the Ads next to some of the pages look clearer and more composed. Why the hell would you make the Fantastic Four so damn dark in the first place ?! Baffles me…

My friend gave me all the Jim Lee drawn books from this run. I read those books until it was worn down. I returned the favor years later by giving him the trade paperback.

I came across all the Reborn issues when I was cutting down my collection, they didn't sell on eBay and ended up being donated lol. Shoulda sent them to the boys

I absolutely loved this issue and the whole run as a kid. This book made me a huge FF fan.

I remember them giving these away at the Boston Con weeks after it came out. I grabbed a few and sat with it to read it. I got through the first few pages and threw em in a box where they probably still are to this day. Ughhhh..

Ringo did Tellos at Image.

2020 and marvel are yet again struggling to make a buck and they have no one to turn to to save them this time.

Oh yeah! The ringo book. Was it tellos or something like that

I was on two sides of this understanding through wizard that parts of the industry were not on board. The only part of h.r I'd recommend is the first 6 issues of each title.

I bought this when it came out because I was interested in FF and Lee's art, I think I dropped it after issue 2 or 3

No joke - I can very VERY clearly remember thinking Ed’s exact settlement regarding the Brandon Choi popular movie influence/cliches as a 14 year old in the 90s

This was a good punt for F4, i always dug Jim’s covers for this series so it pulled me in, but the real series is the Claremont/Larroca run that follows it.

Jim’s “that’s funny” at the image reporter lady was so dead inside,my exact feelings on this comic lmao

It’s so cool that Jim Lee is a Tiger.

We've seen the origin panels of the FF "retold" many times over the years. Besides the original Kirby in FF 1... who redrew the sequence best? And (if you can remember) where?

To speak of the color the. Need some complamplanentary color to Cho with that blue and some complementary color palettes to help it is Choi writing anything for DC now?

13:42 I would have loved to collect al the first Issues of heroes Reborn, but I was young back then and was already Collecting X-Men and Wolverine Monthly here in Germany! But that Fantastic Four N#01 I had to have!

I had this issue as a kid without the cover.

I love this issue. This is the best FF movie by far. And it's a comic.

Well if you don’t want to do issue two, go for the Rob Liefeld one, it cannot be worse … or can it ;-))) !!!

Tellos! (Weringo's Image book)

about the colouring, wasn't one of the main reasons DC brought Wildstorm was to get their state of the art colouring department.

Ugh, looks like the 90s just up and puked all over that paper. Give me Lee/Kirby FF all day long over this

Dem back muscles

Jim Lee used a centerfold picture of Jenna Jameson!

Ed, you and Greg 'Craola' Simkins have the same voice. You sound identical.

I guess the #1 by Scott Lobdell and Alan Davis WON'T be next? :-P

This story catches a lot of slack, but I do believe it is good; it actually sums up the Fantastic Four nicely and is really the first pseudo-ultimates line before ultimates... it has a lot of words, but it is trying to fit in a lot and a lot of comics before the cinematic era had a lot of words

The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite Marvel characters and I remember getting this when it came out. Ugh. The lads are bang on with their review. Choi simply floods the book with Claremont levels of dry dialogue and the colors are a muddy mess. I've never liked Jim Lee as I find his page layouts and storytelling/narrative skills to be extremely weak and that's on full display here. DeFalco and Ryan had put in a decent run on the FF for years and they got removed for this?!? Awful and mercifully brief.

All I see is mud. Gradient mud. Blech!

Sue's got back lol

this to me was a beautiful comic

Think this was the last superhero comic I bought

It's funny, I say the same thing about EVERY dialogue line in a Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich movie. It's nothing but bad cliches from other movies.

to be honest I click because of the thumbnail... I can't ignore that thiccness go unclicked I have to say the thing is just build different.

I *just* read the 4-issue "World War 3" storyline (it wan through all the 13th Heroes Reborn issues). It was TERRIBLE. James Robinson was definitely on something last-minute. It was hacky even for an already-hacky gimmick

A Jim Lee comic that is not even really fun to look at, what a sin (and decompression in comics only got worse over time, although it kind of makes sense if a lot of comics are more like proof of concepts for movies)

I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates Brandon Choi, he may have single handedly fucked Jim Lee's true greatness with these garbage stories he wrote.

I wonder if this is actually not the worst Jim Lee work, and nobody will agree with me, but Scott Williams did not help ! Funny thing is this applies to all the Heroes Reborn titles, it’s likes those guys took a piss and laughed at Marvel begging them to save them, and rushed in here with no respect or interest for it. This was there change to make History and do there very best, but spoiled as they were at the time, I think they didn’t see the opportunity ! Big mistake from Marvel to let this happen … SAD !!!

Body counts updates hahahahahaha

That whole comic is NOT an improvement.... Amazingly poor work, script, color, even the art is super stiff. I had honestly forgotten about that comic until this vid.. thanks for bringing that back to mind!!! LOL

These Image reboot books were a big waste of time. They all sucked. Bad art. Bad designs. Bad storytelling. Does anyone remember that terrible Iron Man design with the big pipes coming out of his back? This was a low point in Marvel Comics.

Comic art has really gone downhill since the 90’s.