The General Slocum | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

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"On the 15th of June, 1904, the General Slocum, a sidewheel passenger steamboat, set sail up the East River in New York..."
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro
00:42 - Background
03:42 - The Sinking of the General Slocum
08:41 - The Aftermath
MUSIC:
► "Glass Pond" by Public Memory
SOURCES:
► "The General Slocum Disaster of June 15, 1904" by Valerie Wingfield, published by the New York Public Library, June 2011. Link: www.nypl.org/blog/2011/06/13/...
► "Report Of The United States Commission Of Investigation Upon The Disaster To The Steamer General Slocum" published October 1904. Link: www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO Documents/5p/CG-5PC/INV/docs/documents/Slocum.pdf
► "Witness to Tragedy: The Sinking of the General Slocum" by Ted Houghtaling, published by the New York Historical Society, February 2016. Link: www.nyhistory.org/blogs/witne...
► "A Spectacle of Horror - The Burning of the General Slocum" by Gilbert King, published by Smithsonian Magazine, February 2012. Link: www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...
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@WontSeeReplies
@WontSeeReplies 11 ай бұрын
How was the life preserver manufacturer QuarkWorks not held responsible for literally making steel bar filled sink jackets? Insane.
@Transilvanian90
@Transilvanian90 11 ай бұрын
Probably knew the judge or something. That's the most insane level of criminal negligence I've ever seen. Basically falls to the level of intent to murder.
@berzerkbankie1342
@berzerkbankie1342 11 ай бұрын
Lead, even worse
@anacsadder
@anacsadder 11 ай бұрын
"This thing that's supposed to float? Fill it with chunks of heavy stuff!"
@davidjones332
@davidjones332 11 ай бұрын
Most likely the company claimed that it was some rogue workers who were responsible and the management knew nothing about it. In an age before strict product liability laws it would have been hard to prove that the company managers did know what was happening on the shop floor.
@DarknessUnresolved
@DarknessUnresolved 11 ай бұрын
Because NO ONE was held responsible back then. Hardly is now.
@classicmicroscopy9398
@classicmicroscopy9398 11 ай бұрын
If only that boy had been believed. Even an extra 10 minutes could have made a huge difference.
@gst013
@gst013 11 ай бұрын
How, though? They had no means of putting out the fire, the hoses, lifejackets and lifeboats would still have been useless, and the captain likely would've still chosen to ground the ship. The end result of a lot of people who couldn't swim wearing heavy clothes jumping into the water likely wouldn't have changed much.
@yep_2431
@yep_2431 11 ай бұрын
After the boy was believed the captain ordered full speed ahead still despite a fire
@Ozymandias1
@Ozymandias1 11 ай бұрын
He had a good reason for that, no good would have come from beaching a burning ship near fuel depots.
@jamesfowley4114
@jamesfowley4114 11 ай бұрын
​@mehrimazedeh children learn to manipulate their parents before they learn to talk. Lies are natural and honesty is learned.
@nickbob2003
@nickbob2003 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@jamesfowley4114lies and dishonesty are both learned, infants don’t have a concept of what they are doing so they do what is effective. Depending on the situation being truthful or lying is advantageous but that doesn’t mean that lies are more natural than honesty. Humans have evolved to be social with each other which sure means lying but it also means being honest with others so they can be honest with you
@BlooferLady86
@BlooferLady86 11 ай бұрын
The individual captain got punished (justly) and yet the corporations got away with it. Times haven't changed that much, have they?
@Mutantcy1992
@Mutantcy1992 11 ай бұрын
Probably on the argument that if the equipment had been inspected or tested, the shoddy work would have not played any role. Still the life jacket company should have been held responsible and obviously would be today.
@mrbyamile6973
@mrbyamile6973 11 ай бұрын
​@@Mutantcy1992not to excuse the life jacket company but I suspect the life jackets that had the metal in them were still functional when in good condition. I can't imagine they were packed with metal. I would be curious what the true condition and how the faulty jackets were actually assembled.
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 11 ай бұрын
​@@Mutantcy1992That's definitely true and yet it doesn't explain the boat company itself also getting away with it when they definitely were also responsible for the ship's safety. Again, not really surprising though.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
@Mutantcy1992 The life jackets were okay when sold. The vessel owners let them rot. The iron adulterated cork the cork company was indicted for was sold AFTER the Slocum burned, and had NOTHING to do with the Slocum. The owners were entirely at fault
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
@mrbyamile6973 Exactly. They were definitely functional when sold. The cork company used an eight ounce bar to make up for slightly underweight blocks. That's 8 ounces of iron, and at least 88 ounces of cork per 6 pound preserver, if used as intended. It was a shady practice, not a deadly one.
@coloradohikertrash9958
@coloradohikertrash9958 11 ай бұрын
The Slocum's impact on the german population was so great that its widely accepted that the Lower East Side basically stopped being a German community after that one singular event. That so many people either perished or moved away it totally changed the demographic for the neighborhood
@AEMoreira81
@AEMoreira81 11 ай бұрын
The church building still stands, but it has been a synagogue since 1940 because so many left, primarily for uptown Manhattan. This is still the largest non-terrorism tragedy in NYC history.
@nicoleofnowhere8842
@nicoleofnowhere8842 11 ай бұрын
How heartbreaking. :(
@jonslg240
@jonslg240 11 ай бұрын
Apparently I'm not the only General Slo cum 😉
@cathrinewhite7629
@cathrinewhite7629 11 ай бұрын
I probably wouldn't have been born, had the population not moved away to the 4 corners of the country. Just a thought.🙏🏼
@Lv-nq9qz
@Lv-nq9qz 11 ай бұрын
Many moved uptown, and later out to Brooklyn and Queens. The General Slocum was a definite factor in this, but overgrowding in the LES as well as new immigrants moving in were also part of the reason.
@rhiannonrising
@rhiannonrising 11 ай бұрын
"....900 drunk anarchists from New Jersey." As a NJ native, I laughed out loud. Absolutely fantastic.
@daffers2345
@daffers2345 11 ай бұрын
The times, they are (not) a'changin ... :D
@rhiannonrising
@rhiannonrising 11 ай бұрын
@@daffers2345 Ha! We're still the same horrible people.
@phil6530
@phil6530 11 ай бұрын
Who could have guessed that a bunch of anarchists would get out of control?
@KingApeiron
@KingApeiron 11 ай бұрын
We can make this happen today!
@06eyM3
@06eyM3 11 ай бұрын
Again!!😂
@Joe-po8rx
@Joe-po8rx 11 ай бұрын
The vision of seeing your child descending into the deep due to faulty life preservers is heart rending
@davidci
@davidci 11 ай бұрын
The early 1900s was really a wild time for infrastructure because you just casually have disasters like these where a 75% fatality percentage of 1000+ people is common. Even the Titanic, which had a higher death count, didn't even have that high of a fatality percentage.
@LostShipMate
@LostShipMate 11 ай бұрын
I would argue over 66% fatality rate(Titanic) is till pretty abysmal.
@karlijnlike4lane
@karlijnlike4lane 11 ай бұрын
waitwaitwait you had me at "900 drunk anarchists from New Jersey" with whom i can sympathize 😅
@jonfoulkes3160
@jonfoulkes3160 11 ай бұрын
I think you're being a bit brash in your assertion with majority percentages and terms like common and casual. Yes life was cheaper compared to our standards, but I think you overstate that quite a bit here 😬
@jonslg240
@jonslg240 11 ай бұрын
William Van Shite was the captain? Figures 😂💩
@RatPfink66
@RatPfink66 11 ай бұрын
Van Schaick was thought to be unjustly accused by the maritime community in NY because it was considered the steamship company's responsibility to keep emergency gear in good condition. Then again, who was supposed to tell the company but the captain?
@Studentforlife473
@Studentforlife473 11 ай бұрын
I think my favorite part of these videos is learning what obscure title each disaster holds. Like narrator could legit say “the second deadliest accident involving a piece of cake in Norway for the next 50 years” and I’d just be like… “Yes. That is quite interesting. Proceed.”
@abigailsmiley8397
@abigailsmiley8397 11 ай бұрын
My great great grandmother and her sister were on board and survived. I remember my dad telling me about this event, thank you for shedding more light on it.
@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace
@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace 7 ай бұрын
My Grandmother lost her aunt and 2 cousins. She never met them. It happened a few years before she was born.
@mr.longtrail9960
@mr.longtrail9960 Ай бұрын
Can you tell me where she and her family settled in New York after this happened?
@canadiankazz
@canadiankazz 11 ай бұрын
It's bad enough the life vests were decaying and useless, but to hear that some of them were filled with IRON instead of cork to save money sent a chill through me. jfc. That is terrifying.
@stevesgaming7475
@stevesgaming7475 11 ай бұрын
Astonishing isn't it. How they weren't jailed for that is utterly beyond me.
@esteemedmortal5917
@esteemedmortal5917 11 ай бұрын
And I bet if you took the people responsible for that choice and showed them a child and a bathtub, then ordered them to drown said child, they’d be horrified. Evil isn’t always a deliberate action; it can be a careless or selfish one.
@peterheinzo515
@peterheinzo515 11 ай бұрын
maybe the company was compensated by weight of the delivered life wests lol
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 11 ай бұрын
​@@stevesgaming7475Not that I have any faith in any version of the American legal system, but I imagine they weren't found liable mainly because the vests weren't properly maintained in the first and because the broken down cork was deadlier in this situation than what relatively little iron that they put in as filler. It's still an abominable practice of course, but if the broken down cork is really what seems to have killed a bunch of kids, then the company's shitty practices genuinely weren't at fault, as frustrating as that is. It's more galling to me that the ship company got away with apparently falsifying inspections, but it's sadly still unsurprising.
@LittleLulubee
@LittleLulubee 11 ай бұрын
@@esteemedmortal5917 It’s inexcusable. They should have been jailed for life.
@michaelimbesi2314
@michaelimbesi2314 11 ай бұрын
The reason that this shipwreck and many others were overshadowed by the loss of the Titanic is relatively simple. Robert Ballard put it best: we remember the Titanic more than other seriously deadly shipwrecks because of the human drama that played out on her decks. She took a long time to sink, and so there was lots of time for people to make decisions and act, and it is those decisions that fascinate us. We imagine how we would have acted if we were in their position. It’s not the rich people, since Lusitania also had very rich people (the Vanderbilts instead of the Astors) and isn’t as well remembered. And it isn’t the death toll, since there have been many shipwrecks with higher death tolls, such as the Sultana, the Doña Paz, and Wilhelm Gustloff.
@hightreason7934
@hightreason7934 11 ай бұрын
2 hours and 40 minutes is a VERY long time for a ship to sink, typically. Most shipwrecks occur due to storms, and the ships capsize within minutes. The fact that Titanic took that long to go down while isolated in the middle of a flat calm ocean, in the middle of the night, with no one to help, allowed for a great deal of drama to be observed, remembered, and recorded.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
The Titanic was also famous before she sailed, in an age when ocean liners were in the papers literally every day, and on her maiden voyage, and left many unanswered questions. The Slocum was just a crummy old boat, and everyone knew every detail in short order
@icarusbinns3156
@icarusbinns3156 11 ай бұрын
Molly Brown was on the RMS Titanic. Lady was a walking curse! A boilerman on the Titanic (the ONLY one to survive because of insane luck) was later on two other ships carrying the notorious Molly Brown. Those ships also sank. He managed to survive. On the fourth one, he demanded to see the passenger manifest. When he saw Molly’s name, he quit, retired, and moved to Ireland. That fourth ship… sank. He would not be on a ship that also had Molly Brown on board
@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian 11 ай бұрын
The death toll definitely did have an impact; the Titanic passengers suffered horrific casualties.
@vladimirenlow4388
@vladimirenlow4388 11 ай бұрын
Let's also consider that most of the people on board the Slocum were poor or working-class. They were also of German extraction and, by the standards of the times, considered second-class citizens compared the upper-crust WASPs on board the Titanic.
@anarchonobody
@anarchonobody 11 ай бұрын
“She was subject to a mutiny when she transported 900 drunk anarchists from New Jersey”… People in Hoboken call the days that that happens “Tuesday”.
@daffers2345
@daffers2345 11 ай бұрын
Dang! I would have guessed Camden. :B
@savannah115
@savannah115 11 ай бұрын
I, a Pennsylvanian, was looking for the self-depreciating New Jersey resident (or the New Yorker with strong NJ feelings) in the comments to do this quote justice. 😂
@noodlesmama9096
@noodlesmama9096 11 ай бұрын
Having lived in NYC I too laughed and went "Jersey"🙄😂
@AC-ih7jc
@AC-ih7jc 11 ай бұрын
As a side note, the KleineDeutchland (apologies for my spelling) neighborhood effectively disappeared after the disaster. Given how many families had experienced losses, many of them chose to move away and try to put their lives back together somewhere that didn't have as many painful memories. The families that stayed were not enough to maintain the neighborhood as "Little Germany." So the neighborhood changed, as neighborhoods inevitably do. But this time, though, it was for a very sudden, tragic reason.
@peterheinzo515
@peterheinzo515 11 ай бұрын
little Germany is „kleines Deutschland„
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
The Slocum was a factor, but immigrants mostly left the lower East side as soon as they could afford to anyway. For instance, as poor as Jews here were, the average stay was five years. They moved to Yorktown, Brownsville, Staten Island, wherever they could buy a lot or house. German immigration had already slowed, and soon stopped. Hungarians and Russians replaced Germans, Puerto Ricans replaced them, Dominicans came next. Everybody wants to make like The Jeffersons, and move on up.
@R32R38
@R32R38 11 ай бұрын
Yorkville on the Upper East Side soon became Manhattan's main German neighborhood. It maintained its German character until the 1960's and 1970's, and some vestiges remain.
@AC-ih7jc
@AC-ih7jc 11 ай бұрын
@@R32R38 You know, some years back I visited a Hungarian butcher shop/smokehouse in Yorkville. My fiance said it smelled EXACTLY like his father's Czech butcher shop/smokehouse. There also used to be a Czech restaurant in the neighborhood. So yes, there was a definite central European presence there.
@nthgth
@nthgth 11 ай бұрын
Smart people move away from the city as soon as they're able.
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 11 ай бұрын
My grandmother was supposed to go on this picnic but, that morning her father decided that she should work instead. That little change, probably saved her life. She was still haunted by the loss of many friends 60+ years later.
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 11 ай бұрын
An incredible tragic event that cost so many lives and the life of a beautiful ship, all within sight of one of the world's great cities. Nowhere near enough heads rolled over this, as usual.
@Vassilinia
@Vassilinia 11 ай бұрын
Companies are never - NEVER - held accountable. The corporations and the American government will only listen when they are forced to, through force like with riots.
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 11 ай бұрын
"one of the world's great cities." There are no great cities. Filthy crime ridden cesspools, every one of them. Unless you mean "great" as in large or historic. Like The Great War.
@numberonesnarkfan
@numberonesnarkfan 11 ай бұрын
I really really appreciate how these videos always have captions. Most creators don't bother giving their videos captions unless a video goes viral, and these always have captions from the moment they're uploaded. Thank you for that.
@06eyM3
@06eyM3 11 ай бұрын
Narrators voice so clear, captions not necessary. But are certainly nice when u cant use sound (in a meeting, at church etc)
@MikeGiallo
@MikeGiallo 8 ай бұрын
​@@06eyM3for not native english speakers captions are really good as although i can understand it without them it secure you what you are hearing with the subs
@giewhcs
@giewhcs 11 ай бұрын
As always, a great video. My great-grandparents were supposed to be passengers on the General Slocum. It was five months after my great-aunt was born and a few years before my grandmother was born. The family arrived late to the dock, and missed the boat, luckily. When I was a child, my parents were insistent that I take swimming lessons. I remember one of my aunts telling me that a fire on a boat can be just as dangerous as a sinking boat.
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn 11 ай бұрын
My grand mother was on that boat she had just missed the last one, very unfortunatly we can say, she and her uncle were on the deck when the fire started, she was at the bar and recall the barman hitting the fire with a broomstick in a state of hysteria, while my uncle was totaly drunk pissing all over the place shouting ITS TIME !!! ITS TIME !!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE !!! LETS FUCK TOGETHER ONE LAST TIME BABY!! My grand mother was so drunk as well her memories were not clear from there, all she know is that at some point she just passed out and woke up in an evengelist church next morning. with some light burns and a nasty hangover, her uncle was never found. she never knew how she arrived there. Its kind of a mystery. She always had a fire extinguisher in every room along with a botte of vodka in a emergency box since then, i remember joking that even the toilets had one, i stole quite a few.. first she installed locks and then she refused me the entrance to the house.😓 I don't why i share this family story with a stranger, its kind of weird ... Well i guess i needed to get it out.
@daffers2345
@daffers2345 11 ай бұрын
I'm glad they had you take swimming lessons. Even being able to dog-paddle can be helpful. If you don't know what to do, you understandably start to panic and thrash. (I've seen it firsthand, fortunately my friend and I were able to help the woman).
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 11 ай бұрын
Believe it or not, this disaster was overshadowed by the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire. Even though this disaster kills nearly nine times, as many people.
@nicholasschroeder3678
@nicholasschroeder3678 11 ай бұрын
My guess is because it happened in the middle of Manhattan, was seen closeup by many more people (the women jumping), was covered more extensively by the press, and had the criminal factor of the escape doors being deliberately locked to keep the women in. As I recall, those responsible also got a slap on the wrist. I think the laws are set up so that if you're engaged in moneymaking, cutting corners is just expected, and workers are kinda considered expendable. It's the American way.
@planescaped
@planescaped 11 ай бұрын
@@nicholasschroeder3678 It's the amoral capitalist way. One would hear a similar story a couple years ago outta Bangladesh.
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn 11 ай бұрын
This disaster was overshadow by some comedians pretending to be walking on the moon taking a ride on a jeep lol 🤣🤣🤣😚
@c.j.nyssen6987
@c.j.nyssen6987 11 ай бұрын
​@@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cnDon't be an ass.
@mimib8032
@mimib8032 11 ай бұрын
​@@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cnWhat ? That doesn't even make sense.
@rjsouthworth5246
@rjsouthworth5246 11 ай бұрын
This is a disaster that deserves to be far better known than it actually is. I first learned about it from a KZfaq video years ago, which led to me reading Edward O’Donnell’s book Ship Ablaze.
@shamelesshussy
@shamelesshussy 11 ай бұрын
David Rackoff wrote a beautiful piece about it for the first episode of This American Life to air after 9/11. I recommend giving it a listen.
@rjsouthworth5246
@rjsouthworth5246 11 ай бұрын
I think I did listen to that, a long time ago when I was combing the Internet for more information on the topic.
@MikeB071
@MikeB071 11 ай бұрын
Ship Ablaze is a great book. Goes into a lot of detail about what slimeballs the steamship company owners were.
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 11 ай бұрын
I learned about when I was a kid (possibly before I was even 10) in Highlights for Children magazine. I think the story was told from the perspective of a little girl in the hospital.
@MightyMezzo
@MightyMezzo 11 ай бұрын
Highlights? On the level?
@SpaceWampa
@SpaceWampa 11 ай бұрын
900 Drunk Anarchists sounds like a solid name for a band
@AliciaGuitar
@AliciaGuitar 11 ай бұрын
I always like "Kangaroo Court"... which one should headline? You know they would tour together
@jessicamessicak
@jessicamessicak 11 ай бұрын
Please never change the format of these videos! The info, the music, photos, and the narration are one of my favorite videos to watch!!
@Alaryicjude
@Alaryicjude 11 ай бұрын
Totally agree! I seriously love their videos!
@Drew-bc7zj
@Drew-bc7zj 11 ай бұрын
There is a similar channel called "Well I Never" that you might also like.
@animeking1357
@animeking1357 11 ай бұрын
Definitely got a good format going for these videos. Highly respectful too.
@sylverscale
@sylverscale 11 ай бұрын
​@@Drew-bc7zjDisturban history is also somewhat in the same category. Also really good.
@merri-toddwebster2473
@merri-toddwebster2473 11 ай бұрын
Despite the seriousness of this story, "900 drunken anarchists from New Jersey" was a hilarious line
@eileennoonan7779
@eileennoonan7779 11 ай бұрын
Just thinking about watching your child sink and drown, when you think they're going to flot is horrible. I have the shivers when he sayed that.
@manuelacosta9463
@manuelacosta9463 11 ай бұрын
I read about this in my younger years. The German American community in that region was dramatically affected by this. So many factors went into play to make this an absolute nightmare. Can't imagine what the survivors endured with PTSD.
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn
@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn 11 ай бұрын
This shit is the most horrible watching kids drowning caused by faulty lifejackets !!! ... Shiiit the titatnic was much softer in comparaison.
@LittleLulubee
@LittleLulubee 11 ай бұрын
@@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn Children also drowned in the Titanic disaster
@donnix1192
@donnix1192 11 ай бұрын
This is similar to the SS Eastland disaster in Chicago in 1915. The ship rolled over onto its side on the Chicago River and 844 people drowned, it was supposed to take the families of workers across Lake Michigan to a Western Electric company picnic in Michigan City, Indiana. It wiped out several Czech immigrant neighborhoods in nearby Cicero, Illinois.
@anthonygerardi4658
@anthonygerardi4658 11 ай бұрын
I grew up in Middle Village queens. My backyard butted up against st john cemetery where they have a memorial/ tomb stone for the Slocum. It is barely known about when mentioned to people. always fascinated me
@Joaquin602001
@Joaquin602001 11 ай бұрын
A fun fact about the Slocum's wreck: it wasn't scrapped, but was instead salvaged and turned into a towed barge that was used up and down Long Island sound. It foundered during bad weather in 1911 and was found by Clive Cussler, the author of the Dirk Pitt and NUMA series, decades later.
@AliciaGuitar
@AliciaGuitar 11 ай бұрын
I have taken for granted knowing how to swim. I often wonder at how a boat can capsize so close to land and ppl still die. Then i remember what it was like when i was thrown from my uncle's speedboat... i was shocked and terrified when i hit the water and flailed for help until my father walked up to me and said, "its shallow, stand up!" 😅 i felt so silly but it was really scary and i can see how ppl drown in shallow water now And like the video said... back then ppl didnt know how to swim. Add to that sinking life jackets and its just tragic!
@jpjpjp6328
@jpjpjp6328 11 ай бұрын
Also look at the clothes from that era. Go overboard in lots of cotton and chance are slim on staying up long enough for rescue.
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 11 ай бұрын
I was about to say the same thing, keep in mind how people dressed during that time period, particularly the women. Very extravagant dresses and hats, ankle boots, much different than today where laziness is the fashion.
@ArDeeMee
@ArDeeMee 11 ай бұрын
Don‘t forget the number of underdresses women had to put up with. They wore much more material than you can see from the outside… Speaking of, my clothes just came out of the washer, and holy cow, is there a lot of water in it after spinning at 1400. Cotton can absorb up to 80 % of its own weight in liquids, so your clothes suddenly weigh almost twice as much, and the layers cling to each other, removing your ability to move properly.
@BrianKingsbury-nl9de
@BrianKingsbury-nl9de 11 ай бұрын
It's fascinating that even today most Americans can't swim. According to the Red Cross 54 percent either can’t swim or don’t have all of the basic swimming skills, so essentially half the population would still be at high risk of drowning if in such an emergency. I'd fall into that statistic as well, as I never properly learned to swim (and have nearly drowned before). I think a lot of people overestimate how many people can actually swim to a level that is adequate to save themselves.
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 11 ай бұрын
​@@BrianKingsbury-nl9deNot really that surprising given how many Americans still don't live anywhere near water even if I agree that people generally should know how to swim (as someone who doesn't care to go in the water). If anything, then I'm surprised it's only about half.
@A8T8T
@A8T8T 11 ай бұрын
I have always disliked the fact that some disasters gets all the glory and attention, and some are almost forgotten, often because they “only” involve average people from the lower rung of society. There is three disasters I always think about when someone mentions Titanic - Sultana, General Slocum, and Eastland, so many people died in these disasters, one of them was filled with soldiers finally going home, the two other with women and children going out for a rare occasion of relaxation and fun, but those souls haven’t got any movie, no widely popular songs are written in their honour, and no KZfaqr had to this day covered them all (not that I’m aware of, anyway) Thank you a million times for honouring all of these people, and indeed many more who perished in all sorts of disasters, many brought on by greed and lack of respect for safety. You are one of a kind good sir. every single video you post to this platform is a template for how to cover such difficult topics with care and respect, and also making them interesting and captivating at the same time.
@R32R38
@R32R38 11 ай бұрын
By far the two worst maritime disasters were the Wilhelm Gustloff in 1945 and the Dona Paz in 1987, but they have been largely forgotten.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
Seems so, though there are good youtube videos on all those vessels. There was a Slocum movie long ago. I think Clark Gable was in it.
@mostly_3rd_trombone869
@mostly_3rd_trombone869 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for providing context to one of my favorite recently-discovered songs ‘Downed and Drowned’ by The Longest Johns. “General Slocum’s wheels of wood Caught ablaze like they never should Floats of cork filled with weights instead Sent families off to the riverbed.” This one interested me but I never looked it up, this filled in a lot of info for me. Thank you!
@stephanie8560
@stephanie8560 11 ай бұрын
great band name
@aileencastaneda3724
@aileencastaneda3724 11 ай бұрын
That ending made me feel so sad, they’re not wrong though. It’s crazy how the company only got small fine and the equipment were not at fault. Those families deserved to be compensated for their trauma and losses. RIP to all the families 🕊️
@allisonstewart316
@allisonstewart316 Ай бұрын
My great grandmother, Louise Gailing, was babysitting for a family on the General Slocum. Some of the kids she was babysitting died, but she was able to jump off the ship and swim a baby to shore. She was given an "Act of Heroism" award from the city of Nutley, New Jersey.
@wadp5962
@wadp5962 11 ай бұрын
I first heard about this many years ago. There was a body of a child that was towed to shore along with many other bodies. When she got to the morgue she sat up and said that she wasn't dead. Please do a video on the Kingsland Disaster. It took place September 21, 1910 near Kingsland, Indiana where two interurbans (or trolleys , NOT streetcars) collided head on on a blind curve killing 41. The line was the Fort Wayne & Wabash Valley Traction Company. It was the worst crash of the interurban era.
@Gustav_Kuriga
@Gustav_Kuriga 11 ай бұрын
I love that the General Slocum was named after someone who was a byword for "reliability and dignity" and immediately runs aground.
@sharonsmith583
@sharonsmith583 11 ай бұрын
What a horrible disaster! I have a book of NYC stories straight from the newspapers of the day (mostly tabloids) and this was the first time i had heard of this disaster. Its been largely forgotten today.
@jezzzieful
@jezzzieful 11 ай бұрын
You should cover the MS Estonia sinking. It happened in the 90s and was absolutely tragic. I know someone who's family member died there and I feel like it's rarely covered.
@mindyschocolate
@mindyschocolate 11 ай бұрын
I think he already did. You’ll have to scroll through all his videos. I don’t remember when he uploaded it.
@jezzzieful
@jezzzieful 11 ай бұрын
@@mindyschocolate As I saw this reply I searched but I can't find it. I found it covered by another chanel and then MS Poseidon by fascinating horror. But no MS Estonia by Fascinating Horror.
@Ozymandias1
@Ozymandias1 11 ай бұрын
There was a Discovery documentary released about it recently. In it they said the Estonia had been used to transport arms and that was why they didn't want to recover the ship. They sent a Swedish navy diver team to retrieve the weapons and after that they wanted to pour rubble over the ship so no-one could dive for it. A man wanted to retreive the body of his girlfriend but was stopped by the Swedish coast guard.
@jezzzieful
@jezzzieful 11 ай бұрын
@@Ozymandias1 Ooh! I've only ever seen one documentary episode on it (that is from the early 2000s I think) and that one youtube video I found on it. I wanna check out that doc you're talking about now.
@peterheinzo515
@peterheinzo515 11 ай бұрын
theres a documentary about the tragedy on german public broadcasting. only in german though.
@Xesmuclana
@Xesmuclana 11 ай бұрын
absolutely insane that they did not properly maintain safety equipment given their long track record of getting into accidents
@ejthedhampir507
@ejthedhampir507 11 ай бұрын
Another fantastic video. In terms of New York disasters which go overshadowed, this is certainly one. Another which comes to mind is the crash of American Airlines flight 587 which took place in Queens only months after 9/11.
@maryeckel9682
@maryeckel9682 11 ай бұрын
I remember that at first, everyone was thinking it was another hijacking.
@shannonp3400
@shannonp3400 11 ай бұрын
This one was awful feeling-it was too soon after 911!
@zurirobinson2749
@zurirobinson2749 11 ай бұрын
I've had family in Queens for the past century and have spent almost half of my life living there, and yet, it was *last week* that I learned about the American Airlines crash. I was a baby at the time, but it's baffling how, not only did I never hear about it from older Queens residents, I never heard about it from the Internet until that moment either. I can't imagine how terrifying a time that must have been to be cognizant of.
@R32R38
@R32R38 11 ай бұрын
@@zurirobinson2749 The crash deeply affected the Dominican community in Washington Heights, as most of the dead were from the community.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 11 ай бұрын
I read an excellent book about this disaster entitled Ship Ablaze.
@AG-ng8gt
@AG-ng8gt 11 ай бұрын
This is one of the saddest stories I've heard - unimaginable. If I watched my three children drown or burn up, I'd have to jump in and drown, too. I couldn't live after that.
@novaexplorer2397
@novaexplorer2397 11 ай бұрын
“General Slocum’s wheels of wood, caught ablaze like they never should, floats of cork filled with weights instead sent families off to the riverbed.” Those lyrics are making a lot more horrifying sense now. Over 900 people, that’s is… beyond tragic.
@geocelta1961
@geocelta1961 11 ай бұрын
The more of these I watch the more I am convinced no normal person gets justice while companies and the rich get away with a slap on the wrist. It's disgusting.
@Le_Comte_de_Monte_Felin
@Le_Comte_de_Monte_Felin 11 ай бұрын
Rules only benefit those who ignore them.
@miapdx503
@miapdx503 9 ай бұрын
Tptb manage to gain wealth from these disasters. They never are accountable for the decisions they make.
@tgroves7549
@tgroves7549 11 ай бұрын
I've been so intrigued by ship sinkings recently, ever since the titan implosion it resparked my interest in the titanic. Since then I've been researching other ship sinkings and such. I already am a huge fan of this channel so I was excited to see you cover this topic! I'm going a cruise this October, hoping nothing happens to me out at sea 🙌
@BrentSudric
@BrentSudric 11 ай бұрын
Same
@GovenorMcLovin
@GovenorMcLovin 11 ай бұрын
Part Time Explorer is another excellent channel where he really dives into the history. He generally covers ships.
@MiniCerberus991
@MiniCerberus991 11 ай бұрын
If you haven't found him yet, big old boats is a wonderful channel. maritime horrors account, though posting once in blue moon, also has a nice catalog
@jerry2357
@jerry2357 11 ай бұрын
Take a trip to Belfast and visit the Titanic Experience there: I was there in July, and it was fantastic.
@LittleLulubee
@LittleLulubee 11 ай бұрын
@@GovenorMcLovin Thanks 👍
@LoriDaFuque
@LoriDaFuque 11 ай бұрын
I've been watching this channel for a while and rarely do I hear information that absolutely shocks me. The idea that there were iron bars in the life preservers to save money on cork was mind-boggling! What a *literally* horrifying piece of history.
@elennapointer701
@elennapointer701 11 ай бұрын
It's ships like the General Slocum that make me wonder whether or not curses are real.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
You have a lot of company. That was believed for centuries by people who sailed them, and yeah, some modern ships are very unlucky
@poorlydunbarvideos1472
@poorlydunbarvideos1472 11 ай бұрын
Oiley rags can produce heat while drying...it was investigated as a cause of the fire at my neighbour's fire. Hay or straw also produce heat while drying and have been proven to spontaneously combust in barns when stored with too much moisture. Seems like the lamp-room may have ignited itself.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
My thought exactly. They suggested a spark or cigarette. Oily rags combusting is far more likely. I know someone who lost a barn to hay combustion. People just aren't mindful of these things
@elliottprice6084
@elliottprice6084 11 ай бұрын
One story I have been patiently waiting for on FH. A huge disaster with a big sense of impending doom from the outset. The words "If only" kept going over and over in my head at the end. And the haunting words of the survivor at the end summed it up so well as to why this disaster is largely forgotten
@SureJungle23247
@SureJungle23247 11 ай бұрын
A video on the Drunk Anarchist Riot onboard would be cool as well.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 11 ай бұрын
Yeah it was the largest loss of life in a disaster in New York City until 9/11.
@JoMarieM
@JoMarieM 11 ай бұрын
Such a heartbreaking tragedy, especially since so many of the victims were children. I can just imagine the fathers saying goodbye to their kids in the morning before they went off to work, not knowing they would ever see them alive again. And all these kids so excited about a picnic and a fun trip on a boat, which was an especially big deal if you were part of a poor working-class family. And the fact that this tragedy was 100% preventable is positively infuriating. I can't believe that somehow, the owners of this boat managed to pass inspections for 13 years without ever replacing the equipment. I can't imagine the terror people felt on board the burning ship when life preservers fell apart in their hands, hoses leaked and were unable to put out fires, and life jackets tied onto kids who were dropped into the water, eventually killed them instead of saving their lives. And the lifeboats were wired in place because they were considered a nuisance, and the crew probably thought that they wouldn't be needed since they were travelling so close to land, and that people would probably be able to swim to shore. I can imagine all those people struggling in the water, especially the women in their long skirts with many petticoats, long-sleeved shirts, big hats held on with hairpins, and heavy shoes -- many of them probably didn't stand a chance. Boats did come to rescue some of the people, and while some people WERE saved, there were other despicable people who went up to struggling people in the water who thought they were going to be rescued, and these sick people would simply just steal bracelets and watches off the victims' wrists and leave them to drown. On the other hand, on North Brother Island, there were not only doctors and nurses and hospital staff that helped out with the rescue, but even some of the patients helped too! There was an eleven-year-old girl who was rescued that day. She almost didn't get to go on the Slocum at all, because at the store where her mother got the tickets for her and her two younger siblings, the storekeeper only gave out two tickets for the smaller children. The girl was disappointed and started crying, and the shopkeeper was touched by her tears and found an extra ticket for her. The girl survived the disaster, but lost her mother and siblings. However, she lived to be 106 years old! Another family didn't fare quite so well. One couple lost both of their young daughters. One daughter's body was never found, and all that was recovered from her was one of her tiny shoes. It was truly tragic that it took a tragedy of this magnitude, for safety precautions about excursion ships to be taken seriously. Some of these lessons, sadly, didn't sink in even after the loss of the Titanic and many of its passengers. And the owners of the General Slocum seemed to get off with what was basically a slap on the wrist, even after the massive loss of life, and the incompetence and carelessness that eventually led to it. This disaster was eventually overshadowed by the Triangle Shirtwaist Company fire seven years later, the Titanic sinking the following year, and then WW1 two years later. This disaster deserves to be more widely remembered than it has been. RIP to the victims of the General Slocum.
@homerwells9331
@homerwells9331 11 ай бұрын
There is a memorial fountain in Tompkins Square Park, not far from the church and departure dock of the ship, with a plaque describing this disaster. It remains well maintained and many New Yorkers are familiar with the story. Thanks for an illuminating episode and the subtle mention of it being the deadliest disaster in New York "for nearly 100 years."
@russward2612
@russward2612 11 ай бұрын
The late author Clive Cussler conducted a search for this ship, as outlined in his book "The Sea Hunters 2". She had undergone extensive modifications after the fire and basically only the hull remained.
@jpjpjp6328
@jpjpjp6328 11 ай бұрын
In Tompkins Square park, you can find a memorial to the disaster. It was pretty much the end for the Kleindeutschland neighborhood of the time.
@berzerkbankie1342
@berzerkbankie1342 11 ай бұрын
I can't even fathom that this event happened, in a time when news could spread around the world in a few days/weeks, and we still ended up with the Titanic. Like why do ship builders and cruise lines hate life boats so much? They're literally called LIFE boats.
@daffers2345
@daffers2345 11 ай бұрын
I think it's more of a "we won't actually need this" mentality. You see it in many types of stories, not just boats and ships. A live theater near my home burned years ago because they had no sprinklers. They thought they wouldn't need them and got a waiver when the original was built. (No one was killed or severely hurt, but the building was destroyed.)
@wintersbattleofbands1144
@wintersbattleofbands1144 11 ай бұрын
Used to be based on tonnage, so was adequate when ships displaced less. Why the lifeboat requirement wasn't always based on passenger numbers is anyone's best guess. That changed after Titanic.
@DarknetDude
@DarknetDude 11 ай бұрын
If you think you care TOO MUCH about maintaining a vessel, there is no such thing as caring TOO MUCH about maintaining a vessel.
@annalieff-saxby568
@annalieff-saxby568 11 ай бұрын
"A mutiny broke out while transporting 900 drunk anarchists from New Jersey" is a phrase I really wish I'd penned.
@jrmac666
@jrmac666 9 ай бұрын
I am attending trade school right now as preparation to enter the merchant mariner industry, and hearing about disasters on vessels like this always leaves me feeling privileged to be alive and going into the industry after over a century of setting and refining international regulations. So far in class we have studied the Titanic and the sinking of the Costa Concordia from 2012, so I haven't heard about this yet (I am only four weeks into the first of three quarters of school to be fair), thank you for covering it!
@sophiaisabelle0227
@sophiaisabelle0227 11 ай бұрын
We appreciate your insights on this. We will support you and your channel no matter what.
@cooperised
@cooperised 11 ай бұрын
Wildly enough, the wreck was salvaged and converted to a barge, which went on to sink on two further occasions.
@dawnstorm9768
@dawnstorm9768 11 ай бұрын
No way!😮
@MightyMezzo
@MightyMezzo 11 ай бұрын
Way. The barge was in use until 1911, when it sank.
@JosieJOK
@JosieJOK 11 ай бұрын
Oh, I’ve been waiting for you to cover this! Great stuff!
@stephanielloyd4053
@stephanielloyd4053 11 ай бұрын
Congratulations on 1m subscribers mate! You deserve it, your channel is awesome and documents some absolutely fascinating horror! ❤🇬🇧
@DMETS519
@DMETS519 11 ай бұрын
This disaster happened within the confines of New York City. The Titanic perished in the north Atlantic. So locally, this ranks among one of the all time largest disastrous life losses. The triangle shirtwaist fire and of course September 11th come to mind as obvious rivals.
@brendanward2991
@brendanward2991 11 ай бұрын
This disaster is mentioned in James Joyce's novel Ulysses, which is set on the following day.
@giovanniboianelli1260
@giovanniboianelli1260 11 ай бұрын
Growing up in New York I was aware of the General Slocum disaster and would say it was a very well know event in the history of our city. At least as recently as the 1980’s it was a well know event. Perhaps on a national level it was forgotten or overshadowed but locally it was a prominent event covered in school as part of NYC history. I’m glad you brought this tragedy to light for the younger audience that may have never heard of the General Slocum. You may have already covered this story but if you haven’t please consider telling the sad and horrific tale of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
Thank you. People are constantly claiming things weren't taught, well known enough, kept secret, yada yada. Horsefeathers! They're just poorly informed, or downright ignorant. If it's in a book, they'll never see it.
@stellaluna6421
@stellaluna6421 11 ай бұрын
From what I understand, it was a similar story with the SS Eastland-locals are likely to be aware, but the knowledge doesn't have national reach
@RatPfink66
@RatPfink66 11 ай бұрын
@@stellaluna6421 All history is local, unless it involves war, civil rights or rock & roll.
@saracarman3925
@saracarman3925 11 ай бұрын
I hate that so many tragedies of this era or earlier are forgotten, and I equally hate that the answer to "why was this forgotten" is almost always "the Titantic."
@joannewilson1162
@joannewilson1162 11 ай бұрын
Nobody ever questions the safe and condition of things until there is a problem…then when people die or are injured all these issues come to light. It’s always so tragic because it was preventable. At least to some extent.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
Too true. Only after being trained as a Fire Safety Director about 30 years ago, I automatically look for fire exits, equipment, and violations when I enter a building. That doesn't come naturally.
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 11 ай бұрын
Its an absolute tragedy how it has been ignored i never even heard about this until this video
@JamieMPhoto
@JamieMPhoto 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant ending there. Thanks as always for the respectful and great work.
@owangejewice
@owangejewice 11 ай бұрын
When that music kicks in at the end of each of your videos and I'm left in the dark with my fascination and horror of what I just learned about... man it really does give me chills all over.
@Goabnb94
@Goabnb94 11 ай бұрын
Adding bulky and not floating material to life jackets just so it feels heavy is surely something that all involved should have been reemed to the same degree as murder for. Its one thing to have them rot, its another for them to have been knowingly be made incorrectly to save a dime.
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 11 ай бұрын
I have watched as, over the past fifty years, that an essential US industry, railroads, seems to have forgotten some of the hard lessons learned from tragedies such as this. And it is for the same reason, that of making increasing corporate shareholder value the primary, and at times the only, reason for a company's existence. Among the top killers and causes of suffering for humans -greed.
@aftersexhighfives
@aftersexhighfives 10 ай бұрын
Your voice is so relaxing. Thank you for no music... well, just the right amount of music. Your editing is what makes your stories so much better. Thank you!
@bluestatedem
@bluestatedem 11 ай бұрын
I love FH's videos - so well made - but I am also constantly impressed by the quality of the comments. Everyone is on topic and polite.
@DoomsJ
@DoomsJ 11 ай бұрын
Just In time for bed!!! Love your work man ❤
@inkyjill
@inkyjill 11 ай бұрын
Tuesday mornings are the BEST!
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 11 ай бұрын
Tuesday morning where I live
@inkyjill
@inkyjill 11 ай бұрын
​@seandelap8587 some of us keep weird schedules 😅😉 (I'm not sure about OP, speaking for myself). Have a good Tuesday!
@DoomsJ
@DoomsJ 11 ай бұрын
@@inkyjill I agree! :)
@faiyoake
@faiyoake 11 ай бұрын
On KZfaq is an old history channel special (from when they covered history) about this. Ships Ablaze. It has archive interviews with the last two survivors, including the youngest survivor at 6 months old. The book it’s based off of is pretty good too. And it’s likely the death count was off since there was a…liberal…view to accurate passenger counts
@rockstermaniac
@rockstermaniac 11 ай бұрын
as interesting as that sounds I find myself wondering what good an interview with someone who was 6 months at the time of the accident would do.
@faiyoake
@faiyoake 11 ай бұрын
@@rockstermaniac there’s the stuff her parents and other relatives told her. According to the book her dad made a scrapbook of news articles relating to the fire that she still had.
@RatPfink66
@RatPfink66 11 ай бұрын
Other sources suggest over one thousand lives were lost.
@AH-sp8vi
@AH-sp8vi 11 ай бұрын
It’s that time of the week! Thank you Fascinating Horrors.
@zurirobinson2749
@zurirobinson2749 11 ай бұрын
I'm from Queens and learned about this disaster when I saw the memorial plaque in Astoria Park. Glad to see you cover it!
@athena8794
@athena8794 11 ай бұрын
As the person responsible for the condition of fire hoses, life jackets, and other safety gear on all of the ships in my company's fleet, this one just *hurts* . This is why you inspect and replace your gear *before* you need it.
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 6 ай бұрын
As somebody in a sort-of-manufaturing job making safety-sensitive parts, hearing that some of the life preservers were sabotaged from the start makes me angry.
@athena8794
@athena8794 6 ай бұрын
@@Halinspark same here. It's one thing to half-ass your job at some white collar desk job or at your minimum wage job at the local movie theater, but making sabotaged life jackets? That's not "I don't give a fuck" that's "I actively want people to die for the bottom line".
@QT5656
@QT5656 11 ай бұрын
Great channel
@ShadowXII
@ShadowXII 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, FH, I've been looking forward to this one for a while.
@largedoglover99
@largedoglover99 11 ай бұрын
❤❤❤. You do a really good job telling us these interesting events. I really look forward to watching your channel. Thank you!❤❤❤❤
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 11 ай бұрын
North Brother Island is probably somewhere on the list for an episode all on its own. I didn't know the captain went to jail, but the name Knickerbocker is not exactly a good one for disasters, you had the steamship company that was involved with this one. You had the theater collapse (which I swear FH has done a vid on at some point), and the disaster that occurs when you order the ice cream sundae tooo
@dawnstorm9768
@dawnstorm9768 11 ай бұрын
The Knickerbocker Theater tragedy was covered earlier this year, on/around its 100th anniversary.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
True! A similar steamer named the Knickerbocker had multiple accidents in New York before and after the Slocum. New York's Knickerbocker beer failed in the 60s. If you got the Staten Island ferry Knickerbocker, you were definitely gonna be late for work. No wonder nobody uses the name anymore
@thomasmeyer6407
@thomasmeyer6407 11 ай бұрын
Could you imagine the feeling of trying to get safety equipment and it just rockts in your hand
@patjacksonpodium
@patjacksonpodium 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for talking about General Slocum! As a Civil War buff I got very excited when I saw the name and I was hoping you'd mention him.
@Gustav_Kuriga
@Gustav_Kuriga 11 ай бұрын
You just know that a disastrous accident between 1880 and 1910 is going to be a wild story. Absolutely batshit insane what people got away with back then.
@sketchyskies8531
@sketchyskies8531 11 ай бұрын
Haven’t finished the video yet, but something tells me if a ship has so many problems within a short time, that your ship is probably cursed Ofc they had a room that was a fire hazard. Unfortunate that so many died and were injured
@jaydanjm9589
@jaydanjm9589 11 ай бұрын
Tuesday night entertainment, cheers!
@tyrikuntamed4206
@tyrikuntamed4206 11 ай бұрын
Starting off another good morning with a video from Fascinating Horror
@steve3291
@steve3291 11 ай бұрын
It is always amazing that simple safety measures were not routinely tested or checked.
@imchris5000
@imchris5000 11 ай бұрын
imagine putting on a life jacket only to find out its full of iron bars and is actually a drowning jacket
@fffrrraannkk
@fffrrraannkk 11 ай бұрын
That's not much different than pulling the rip cord of a parachute just to have kitchen utensils come out of it like a Looney Tunes cartoon.
@dawnstorm9768
@dawnstorm9768 11 ай бұрын
Or that it disintegrates in your hands.
@Parallax2012
@Parallax2012 11 ай бұрын
@3:00 How was the Evangelical Lutheran Church "using the General Slocum for 17 consecutive years for their annual picnic", when the ship was only in service for 13 years?
@option_al4731
@option_al4731 11 ай бұрын
That ending quote sent chills down my spine omg
@wendywoo2180
@wendywoo2180 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, there's also another video on KZfaq about the Slocum disaster including an interview with a survivor. This was the greatest loss of life in a single day in the history of NY state until 9/11l.
@aceckrot
@aceckrot 11 ай бұрын
This story, and the one on the S.S. Eastland disaster, makes one wonder about the safety of excursion ships while asking "what were they thinking?" Insane that there weren't much stricter safety inspections at the time - why does it take such disasters before the obvious becomes obvious?
@tyrous1743
@tyrous1743 11 ай бұрын
People were pretty dumb back then. Not dumb really, but just didn't know any better.
@RatPfink66
@RatPfink66 11 ай бұрын
@@tyrous1743 there certainly was a general assumption that if a ship, building, etc., had not come to grief after a period of years, then it was unlikely ever to do so and probably "safe." from that came a tragic attitude of complacency. consider the many steel & concrete buildings, such as hotels and theaters, built in the late 19c.-early 20c. all were publicized as _"fireproof."_ and the buildings _themselves_ might have been...but none of the furnishings, decor, or upholstery inside were even thought of. nor were sources of open flame, from gaslight and electrical shorts, to matches and smoking materials. people were amazingly cavalier about the danger of fire. and why not - adults had grown up with it all around them.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
The inspector of the Slocum was a crook. He and the operators knew perfectly well what her condition was. They were simply criminals. The Eastland's problem was poor design, so she passed static inspections in port. Seamen and the owners knew she was top-heavy, but inspectors likely wouldn't. The owners were fools, and so was the yard that agreed to modify her
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
@tyrous1743 We had some things to learn, but people knew how to make vessels safe. Slocum's owners knew exactly what they did, and so did the inspector. They were just greedy criminals.
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
@@RatPfink66 Fireproof buildings were fireproof. Everyone knew what that meant. The structure wouldn't burn, period. You're suggesting that if I advertise waterproof jackets, I'm tricking people into thinking they're diving suits
@simonpearn479
@simonpearn479 11 ай бұрын
'Mrs Slocombe' from Are you being served!
@FrankNFurter1000
@FrankNFurter1000 11 ай бұрын
"And I am unanimous in that!"
@REXXSEVEN
@REXXSEVEN 11 ай бұрын
Every time I hear that name, that's what I'm reminded of.
@user-gk8xv8wz2o
@user-gk8xv8wz2o 19 күн бұрын
@@FrankNFurter1000 and she was always talking about her cat, although she didn't refer to it as a cat.
@user-gk8xv8wz2o
@user-gk8xv8wz2o 19 күн бұрын
As someone who is obsessed with the U.S. Civil War, I noted that there were three characters on that show who had the same surnames as generals of that war: besides Gen. Henry Slocum, USA (actually spelled differently on the show, I realize), there was Gen. Gordon Granger, USA and Gen. Andrew Humphreys, USA or Gen. Benjamin Humphreys, CSA.
@Cat-tastrophee
@Cat-tastrophee 11 ай бұрын
My god, how many things in a row could go wrong? I dont think they could've made a more dangerous situation if they tried. Truly despicable and tragic.
@dinascharnhorst6590
@dinascharnhorst6590 11 ай бұрын
For a compelling, fascinating telling of the General Slocum disaster,I recommend Ship Ablaze, by Edward T. O'Donnell.
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 11 ай бұрын
Maritime disasters are always the most intriguing to me
@MerchantMarineGuy
@MerchantMarineGuy 11 ай бұрын
Not me bro, I live it
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 11 ай бұрын
​@axl6045 interesting I will check it out
@thurayya8905
@thurayya8905 11 ай бұрын
If it was the same captain the ship had in the stellar year of 1894, I can't help but wonder if he was a drinking man or just had the worst judgement of maritime history?
@robertmoffett3486
@robertmoffett3486 11 ай бұрын
Yep, it was him.
@eastgermanhattrick3330
@eastgermanhattrick3330 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this one. I’ve always found this interesting
@treeherder42
@treeherder42 11 ай бұрын
First heard about this from The Longest John's in a song "downed and drowned". It only gets a short few lines, but when there it sounds awful that it happened.
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