Faster, Better Memory Is Coming, DDR5-8400 Now Actually Works

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@hunterfabio Ай бұрын

The more you buy the more you save.

@SMGJohn Ай бұрын

I will buy the new RTX 5090 Ti Super and its not because I love nVidia, nah, I already have had two 4090's but lets be honest, buying flagship GPU's is the smart choice, you save money logically because of the simple reasons that it will perform better, I had my 4090's for 2 years and its been stellar but they are showing their age now hopefully the 5090 Ti Super will be similar price as I had to sell my sister off to Chinese farmers to afford it.

@madhavguragai500 Ай бұрын

can’t afford 😢

@Dandelion_koli Ай бұрын

@@SMGJohn consumer 🫵🫵🫵🫵

@THEpirateshunter Ай бұрын

@@SMGJohn gotta thank nvidia for doing an amazing job on 4090 but now it’s time for the 5090… i can’t wait to use all the amazing features on that beast!!

@thegreathadoken6808 Ай бұрын

@@SMGJohn "Showing their age" No. You just want more. More more more. Endlessly. The best isn't enough you need TWO of the best and even that's not enough you need MORE. You need what isn't even out yet. "Showing their age"...SMH

@Haistroff Ай бұрын

I love how camm2 not only (potentially) provides speed - latency benefits, but also looks cooler with flat heatsink and eliminates compatibility issues with CPU coolers and ram sticks

@TTM1895 Ай бұрын

The problem is that if you want to increase the memory of it, you have to buy an entirely new one instead of just adding another pair of ram sticks. Yes, potentially you could sell the old one to mitigate the cost of the new one, but still...

@hennermais Ай бұрын

And you can put a screen on the heatsink!😂

@samnope7344 Ай бұрын

Call me crazy, but I can see us heading towards motherboards with integrated RAM. Camm is better than DIMMs. But, it's also a tiny bit less modular than regular DIMMs. (Screw down design, single module) Not saying it's definite. But it's a personal worry.

@Haistroff Ай бұрын

@@TTM1895 personally don't see a problem here. For budget and extreme budget builders there always be an upgrade path with additional ram kit (though they can lose some of performance or stability if they will mix and match different kits and increase stress on IMC by populating all dimm slots), for workstations I guess it's possible to make two or more camm2 slots, and for people who is willing to get maximum performance it's not going to be an issue since they are most likely ready to spend enough money to get that performance

@michalsvihla1403 Ай бұрын

Adding sticks of ram on DDR5 is not recommended because if you go beyond 2 sticks, it becomes slower. So it's a non-argument. You sell the old and buy a new one.

@Daiwek Ай бұрын

the more you buy the more you save

@TestarossaF110 Ай бұрын

the. more. you. buy. the. more. you. save.

@Garde538 Ай бұрын

Dam good marketing

@MenaceInc Ай бұрын

The more you save the more you buy

@Cosmodjinn Ай бұрын

Right up there with 16 times the detail of facepalm.

@stanmanlyman4550 Ай бұрын

@Cosmodjinn Hey, it just works!

@Maxrepfitgm Ай бұрын

So now I can have two chrome tabs open!!

@Hardwareunboxed Ай бұрын

Settle down. We never said that was possible! :)

@thefurmidablecatlucky3 Ай бұрын

1 and a half, take it or leave it

@JBrinx18 Ай бұрын

One tab, and one running dinosaur tab

@TTM1895 Ай бұрын

@@HardwareunboxedLOLOLOLOLOL

@Maxrepfitgm Ай бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed lol 😆 😂

@Garde538 Ай бұрын

Kids in a candy store

@nfugitt89 Ай бұрын

The amount of QOL improvements on that board is impressive

@darell25 Ай бұрын

So watercooling memory would probably be very easy with the camm2 module. Could have a cpu and memory combo block, or both separated

@Hardwareunboxed Ай бұрын

Yep, very easy.

@zigziar Ай бұрын

There's a vid showing water cooling at Computex on an MSI rig on the channel OC3D.

@imadecoy. Ай бұрын

Not for the double sided modules

@moldyshishkabob Ай бұрын

Slowly getting to a future where the whole motherboard just has one massive block all over it. Then the next step is just throwing all your parts into water and it making a computer soup in your case.

@ranjitmandal1612 Ай бұрын

😮

@weirdodude1173 Ай бұрын

If CAMM2 provides a performance increase, I can learn to like it. Thumbs up!

@miriamkapeller6754 Ай бұрын

Agreed. Fast RAM is critical for being able to run large LLMs and other AI models on the CPU at decent speeds.

@yaldabaoth2 Ай бұрын

The only metric we are interested in is fps in {insert relevant shooter game}.

@Frozoken Ай бұрын

it will trust me. It's similar performance to overclocked ram from stock which in cpu bound games can easily give +20% on some platforms

@blakecasimir Ай бұрын

Concerned about heat building up under the module though. Might be better to have single sided CAMMs.

@stanislavtihohod Ай бұрын

@@blakecasimir How do you imagine a two-sided CAM module? There is an array of contacts on the other side.

@SaviorInTheSun Ай бұрын

Wow! They’ve made some really cool improvements to the board. I hope other companies add these quality of life features to their boards too.

@libertysound8575 Ай бұрын

Downloading now

@user-bi6zq5go7n Ай бұрын

@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator Ай бұрын

Link pls

@Tunnelsnakes Ай бұрын

YOU WOULDN'T 😧

@First-Name_Last-Name Ай бұрын

I accidentally downloaded a car. Need help.

@SirusStarTV Ай бұрын

@@First-Name_Last-Name pet it

@robin-comments Ай бұрын

It's so refreshing seeing you guys from more than just the standard video angles 👌

@shuma3401 Ай бұрын

9:40 'It's chunky boy!' 😂 tim with that tone, lmaoo 🤣

@f0x4nn3 Ай бұрын

First time in a long time MSI stuff looks intrestring to me, good job MSI!

@grunt7684 Ай бұрын

MSI have done right by me over the years. Here in Canada at least, their warranty service is second to none.

@ReivecS Ай бұрын

Well they must have changed a lot. Admittedly this is a 15-20yr old anecdote (vague on purpose), but MSI support was so bad for me, even as a major OEM, that I was responsible for killing that entire relationship. Was having personal and professional issues getting them to honor their warranties and it escalated wildly. That break up was only for a few years but it was shameful how resistant they were to replace anything, ever, for any reason, no matter how large a customer you were. This is why companies need to not be complete shit heads about this because they could have been 100% great for the past 10 years but I still think they are a POS for their past actions. Trust is hard to regain.

@phillycheesetake Ай бұрын

With M.2 usually occupying the top PCIe slot space, and CAMM memory, there will be room for monster air coolers on a lot of boards if this takes off (although JEDEC are saying "no screws" so this likely will not be the final form). The design freedom CAMM offers is worth it alone, all else being equal. This is one of the problems BTX was intended to solve.

@ThereWillBeCake Ай бұрын

Great video guys. Clear, concise and lots tech I was not aware of yet. Cheers!

@mc_sim Ай бұрын

camm2 will basically adapt ssd type coolers and/or heat sinks straight away.

@Kmcornell23 Ай бұрын

MSI might be selling me yet another one of their motherboards. The current MSI board I have has been great and Ryzen 9000 already has my name on it.

@kazioo2 Ай бұрын

What we need is CHANNELS. Even casuals notice the increase in responsiveness of 8 channel Macbook or Snapdragon X. It's also crucial for LLMs. PC needs to keep up or x86 will be left behind. It's absurd that a high end gaming desktop is only dual channel like 20 years ago, but some laptops are now 8. Raw bandwidth is not everything.

@bobclarke5913 Ай бұрын

Nice, I was afraid RAM would stay cheap.

@robotsix6268 Ай бұрын

So much RGB innovation options with the new CAMM2 model!

@yaldabaoth2 Ай бұрын

I love internal rgb in my opaque black box behind my table. Gives me so much extra.

@robotsix6268 Ай бұрын

@@yaldabaoth2 ambience is a valid reason for RGB.

@mikehawk6918 Ай бұрын

@@robotsix6268 Me like purdy colorz

@Excalabur50 Ай бұрын

Very cool cheers HUB!

@user-co8vc5nd7l Ай бұрын

I base all my plans for technology on Tim’s double or not thumbs up

@popcorny007 Ай бұрын

Awesome to see CAMM2 in the wild, can't wait to see wide spread adoption in laptops

@steelzepplin2012 Ай бұрын

Thank you, this was amazing!

@corvoattano9303 Ай бұрын

The main flaw I see with the CAMM module is the lack of upgradeability. You can't gradually add more memory as you get more money. Each time you'll have to fully replace the older CAMM module and go through the hassle of selling it on ebay or sth. The second problem I see with it is that smaller capacity modules will become obsolete very quickly and will end up as e-waste. An 8GB DIMM on its own is obsolete today for most gaming setups. But in a 8GB x 4 configuration totalling 32GB, it is still a viable option. The same can't be said for the CAMM module. Once it's obsolete, it can't be repurposed as easily, maybe for a NAS or home server, but not for gaming.

@cocosloan3748 Ай бұрын

Nice vid... Keeping that head grow I see 🥶

@ahmetdag1340 Ай бұрын

great content guys, thx a lot!

@JFlogerzi Ай бұрын

I like this new CAMM2 memory slot. Looks like I might be building a new 9 series Ryzen system if they get this CAMM2 onto ITX boards.

@razter6678 Ай бұрын

Roman was showing off some off the CAMM2 stuff from Gskill and I believe they had one that was rated at 10500. Sweet. Can't wait to see these new designs/technology.

@OleGramps53 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the show and tell on MSI up and coming products. I'm very interested in what may be coming to market from them.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Ай бұрын

Camm style desktop memory will be interesting

@ericneo2 Ай бұрын

Going from an open standard to closed licensed one will only increase prices.

@JerameatC Ай бұрын

once prices come down. right now 3 people make it. and dell is charging so much for it. even a 32gb stick is 2 to 300 dollars.

@insector2093 Ай бұрын

I really dont think this is the solution... its going to make building a computer even more expensive than it already is by quite a lot

@sinosinovski7804 Ай бұрын

@@ericneo2camm 2 was standardised by jedec though

@crashniels Ай бұрын

@@ericneo2It is an open standard though? Ifixit showed it off unless I am missing something here

@truepaulesko Ай бұрын

Interesting. That kind of socket for the ram could be allocated on the back of the motherboard and release a lot of room from the front, which could be useful in itx form factor

@cairnex4473 Ай бұрын

It's pretty cool that system integration seems to be a bit of a focus this year. Lots of simplifying connections and reducing cable clutter etc. Good to see.

@Ka11zer Ай бұрын

Can't wait to see some custom loop blocks with the CAMM2 model, really wondering how far you can overclock with better contact cooling

@hasiktak1544 Ай бұрын

thanks for the info

@guillermogongorafigoli4542 Ай бұрын

The M.2 Hotswap is SWEET.

@wilhitman1 Ай бұрын

i love the graphics card with the water cooler inside concept - i hope that comes to market - if it actually works - i like that....

@bl4d3runn3rX Ай бұрын

I love the camm2 memory, the whole board is low profile. Would also be amazing for ITX builds.

@TheCuttz1984 Ай бұрын

OMG that tomahawk black mobo with that m.2 expansion is my next build for sure

@jaymacpherson8167 Ай бұрын

Given ever more components needing heat sinks, when will we see marketing include “…and also heats your living space, negating furnace costs!”

@endrico221 Ай бұрын

Just watched the 5700x3D review. Best in depth review available. Much appreciated.

@mttrashcan-bg1ro Ай бұрын

It's interesting to see new forms of Ram chips and things like that. It got me thinking when I clicked on this video, about how many standards we still use in our PCs that are likely extremely outdated.

@zonemanbobo Ай бұрын

I like the quick release of the M.2 and graphics cards. It makes it easy to swap them out when needed.

@manupatxot Ай бұрын

that new ram looks very clean and you save a lot of space issues, specially with itx cases, if it works well it is a great idea

@SwordQuake2 Ай бұрын

That project "zero" motherboard with CAMM2 look amazing.

@Osprey850 Ай бұрын

It'd be nice if MSI could engineer a way to eliminate the screws needed for securing CAMM2 in a way similar to that neat m.2 release of theirs. Using four of those locking mechanisms might be tricky to use, but they could maybe have one edge of the module insert into a slot with springs, similar to m.2 slot, then have just two locking mechanisms at the corners of the opposite edge. There could also be posts that stick through the module's screw holes to provide extra stability. This is just me speculating and brainstorming, but I have to think that the MSI engineers could devise something that would be more user friendly than screws.

@xn1kelx101 Ай бұрын

If CAMM2 can show better performance - that's an easy question to answer, most of people will be for it. Show the frequencies and timings it can pull of :-)

@chaon93 Ай бұрын

It will probably still be somewhat held back by ddr5 needing to support both dimm and camm. If ddr6 fully embraces camm we might see a huge leap in functional speeds as a wider bus should be possible.

@ventilate4267 Ай бұрын

You say "most people will be for it" as if we really have a choice in the matter 😂

@lexzbuddy Ай бұрын

I remember when everything was soldered onto the motherboard. We then saw things become modular so you could plug ram etc into the board and configure things easily, to suit yourself. We now have pins and connection types that are so fragile, they really would be better off just soldering them during production. That's progress for you.

@David_Crayford Ай бұрын

The last thing I was expecting was a change in RAM form factor. I like what they have done with the M.2 modular design on the new board. Looks very Sci-Fi.

@filmcharlie Ай бұрын

I wonder this this could help towards revisions of the ITX/MATX motherboard sizes in the future - could this help make the all the boards slimmer in width thanks to the smaller module sizes compared to DIMM?

@TourGuide-hl3zh Ай бұрын

I am one who would like some follow up content focusing on camm2 memory densities (this specifically) and other specs like latencies etc that will be available at launch. I understand this form factor for laptops, but it makes me wonder about down sides for desktop setups.

@erictayet Ай бұрын

I love it that CAM memory from laptops is coming to Desktop to replace DIMM. That should improve crosstalk on the RAM bus to allow even higher frequencies. Hope to see it come to AM5 in future. Fuzion pronounced as Fussy-on. ;) More please!

@thetechrealist Ай бұрын

Those features on the MSI motherboard are exactly what I've been waiting for!... So many issues fixed!

@shariarrahman7562 Ай бұрын

I wonder how the cam modules will work with ITX boards. I Hope they can use the cam modules to make it so there is more clearance for coolers

@johnsonnguyen1374 Ай бұрын

It looks perfect for ITX motherboards. since it would give more space for new wider cpu coolers that couldn't be done before because of dimm slots but allow for a bigger heatsink+fan in small builds to increase what cpu can go into SFF builds. Imagine the higher end cpu that can be cooled properly in a tiny cramp space.

@shoobadoo123 Ай бұрын

As an sff builder, this will give more room in my case as well as not limit my cpu cooler choice! I'm all for this

@kashem425 Ай бұрын

Love the m.2 retainer. I can now not have to fret about losing the tiniest screw…

@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Ай бұрын

GREAT coverage, guys. HU and GN are above the rest IMHO!

@pirx9798 Ай бұрын

4:12 a few such simple enhancements you will really thank msi for when building a pc

@theworddoner Ай бұрын

I’m really glad we’re seeing innovations in memory. We need higher memory bandwidth. If they can increase memory bandwidth while maintaining replaceability then that’s great!

@mircomputers Ай бұрын

that's the first time in a long time i see really useful features on usability, the PCIE release tab has been a nightmare for a long time, next will be the atx psu mainboard connector and the front panel jumpers

@bahadirb24 Ай бұрын

Intel is not specifying how many pins the new motherboard socket uses? 🤔 Everyone knows by now that it is LGA 1851 😜

@benjaminoechsli1941 Ай бұрын

The next video in my Recommended feed is one from GamersNexus titled, "Intel Says Not to Say 'LGA1851'" 😅

@htoomyatlin123 Ай бұрын

The most important thing is also the cost. Is it as affordable while providing similar or better cost/perf than dimm?

@rj7250a Ай бұрын

It is more expensive for now, 180 bucks for 32 GB of LPCAMM2. (LPCAMM2 is a smaller form factor for laptops, but with same conector) Due to low volume, the only laptop that uses camm now is the P1 thinkpad gen 7.

@htoomyatlin123 Ай бұрын

@@rj7250a Low volume is always going to be expensive. If they can start to scale the production to even half of ddr5 sales volume, it should come down in price quite a lot

@Odysseas13LefkonaSt Ай бұрын

Great to see a POST code on the X870 Tomahawk.

@dazm3754 Ай бұрын

If there is cooling on the backside would that need a dual chamber or there would be no where for the heat to escape? I thought you suggested against the all-in-one liquid cooler for the gpu as it was almost as if you could buy an entirely new system instead of buying the cooler edition. I suppose with the cooler being that close the gpu connector, at least when they melt it will potentially put the fire out before setting your house alight.

@ah64Dcoming4U Ай бұрын

MSI is really showing up. impressive!

@AkashYadavOriginal Ай бұрын

CAMM2 will severely limit upgradability. It takes too much horizontal space, there is no chance of double sided modules. It is good for laptops but on desktops where vertical space is not a big problem, this is not a good solution. Unless manufacturers move most other connectors to the backside like that MSI board which came a while ago.

@donjaime_ett Ай бұрын

I wonder if intel will do some sort of tiered memory given their new SoC designs post lunar lake that have on soc memory, to allow adding expandable high bandwidth memory with camm2. Maybe for desktop workstations?

@mindtreat Ай бұрын

Steve reminds me of a young version of Brian Brown, and I can't unsee it now that it connected 😂

@Hobbes4ever Ай бұрын

7:50 wtf Tomahawk with post code display? Guess my next mobo will be a MSI board

@lexkoal8657 Ай бұрын

A lot of cool products!

@erejnion Ай бұрын

At 5 slots width, just put a fan at one end and exhaust through the back of the case.

@prague5419 Ай бұрын

The most impressive thing I saw was that they had the foresight to make the CAMM layout footprint double the width of the current memory module on display. That will allow us to put in much larger modules with ease in the future and not require serious side-step engineering. Much like the NVME standard that allows for longer and shorter modules. Same concept entirely. Good design IMO.

@concinnus Ай бұрын

That vapor chamber SSD cooler is mostly insulating, unless the clear part is diamond or at least sapphire, which seems unlikely.

@Denbot.Gaming Ай бұрын

But do they come with a capable VRM...? I've been stung by MSI with the £300+ x570 boards, claiming top tier component support, but the VRM couldn't handle the higher core counts at stock never mind when using PBO

@prodeous Ай бұрын

do wonder, woudl "SODimms" resolve some of the main issues with regular dims.. as they are about 1/2 width, then that would surely help with the "signal" issue?

@reptiloidtill Ай бұрын

Those hot swappable M.2 extension cards are gonna be great for self build servers.

@azaph_yt Ай бұрын

Do MSI boards still install the Nahimic malware if you enable the onboard sound device? That crap is almost impossible to remove from your PC, unless you have expert level computer knowledge. It will also automatically re-install and re-enable itself unless you nuke every trace of it and blacklist it's device ID in the registry.

@lexzbuddy Ай бұрын

The PCIE slot for graphics cards don't seem fit for purpose any more. I think the time has come to move the graphics onto a discrete unit that connects with a cable to the board. As is, it's just asking for trouble.

@1Grainer1 Ай бұрын

That's a very Polish pronounciation od Fuzion that sounds like Fusion, well done Steve

@Ben-Rogue Ай бұрын

I wish mobo manufactures would put the WiFi and BT antenna at the top of the I/O, and have the antenna attach directly to the rear. It's just much cleaner

@Capluffy1090 Ай бұрын

cool products from Msi. I like the new liquid cooler connectivity and the water cooled gpu's. That's next gen right there.

@VanillaWahlberg Ай бұрын

MSI is basically reinventing the PC at this point, so many awesome QoL improvements and changes!

@JetSe77er Ай бұрын

That new white motherboard looks great. I'm confused about the NVME SSD cooler. I thought SSDs performed better when they're hot, has something changed with newer generations?

@vagabondht5791 Ай бұрын

The one thing about Camm2 i don't like is the mounting method with screws near chips

@Hugs288 Ай бұрын

8:08 thanks steve

@nadtz Ай бұрын

Was wondering how long it would take for CAMM2 and LPCAMM2 to actually hit consumer boards/laptops after reading about it maybe a month ago, faster than I expected! Also nice to see the QOL updates for M.2, PCIE and what not. Wonder how much that M.2 expander will cost, icydock makes something similar but no fans. Given how hot high end M.2's run now a days having a fan on it is a nice addition.

@seylaw Ай бұрын

Arrow Lake got the new Ultra naming scheme. But I haven't memorized it yet, too. :)

@tahiribnmohammad5410 Ай бұрын

looking forward to the Asus booth

@KatsuneGaming Ай бұрын

Gonna be honest... that quick release, super easy m.2 slot lock (or whatever the correct term is), and that snap-on Wi-Fi antenna on these boards are definitely going to be factors when I upgrade next. Not sure about CAMM2 yet though; it'll either be amazing or annoying. Definitely will need to see it in the "wild" before I have a solid stance on that. Let's hope they aren't all priced outside of my price range when I'm in the market.

@technologicalelite8076 10 күн бұрын

Would love to see this is SFF builds!

@afre3398 Ай бұрын

It is a downside with CAMM2. You can not add new modules. If you want more memory you have to get a new CAMM2 module and replace the older one. So at least plan for this when buying one. I have a feeling that OEMs will try to sell you the smallest CAMM2 they can get in order to save some money, probably 16GB. And you will have to cash out for a new 32GB module if needed

@houssamalucad753 Ай бұрын

At least u can sell the old module when you upgrade

@Vaasref Ай бұрын

@@houssamalucad753 Except that the most common reason to upgrade is when you current hardware is lackluster. Meaning that OEM build will have cheap memory nobody want and that will become instant e-waste.

@houssamalucad753 Ай бұрын

@@Vaasref not really, there is always a market for used parts, maybe you don't get close to how much you paid, but it means your hardware doesn't go to the garbage, and memory is still replaceable which is always a win in my book looking at how laptop manufacturers are doing things

@kognak6640 Ай бұрын

Single channel CAMM2 modules are stackable, they use only half of the connector. So you can upgrade to dual channel by adding another module. And single channel modules will have lowest capacity, DC modules are twice as big with same dram ICs.

@seiyachan Ай бұрын

creating extra e-wastes in the meantime.... deliberately... for profits...

@Liatin1 Ай бұрын

Can't wait for camm2 modules that come attached with a screen

@briantakacs8511 Ай бұрын

I'm interested in the bottom power cable on the am5 board never seen one down there

@darrengreen7906 Ай бұрын

+1 For that SSD vapour chamber cooler.

@pirotehs Ай бұрын

9:35 the correct text in this video should be "we think it's suprim con-fuzion"!

@KaoruSugimura Ай бұрын

"premium feature" Looks like all the motherboard manufacturers got together in a smoke filled room with cigars and decided to gate a cheap to add feature (7 segment displays) behind a +$200 paywall to force you into buying higher.