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@@BadEditor7 what?

I second that! (your original statement)

if you take it serious use libgen and pirate all books, you wont get anywhere at this pace

I agree 100%, what a Excellent Video to stumble up on, l went and brought another a Hal Leonard Wide staff Manuscript to take down all Examples and note taking, This is such a big help Explaining formats to follow for when l write over Progression`s And also how 8 bars are periods and 4 bars are Phrase`s i have even a better understanding of a AABA format and even how now to compose one.

Agreed! I mainly go for what sounds/feels good. But I also like to know what I am doing, theory wise, so I can go for some types of sounds/melodies quicker than just randomly noodling/going for trial and error. Music theory must be seen as descriptive and not prescriptive :)

People say that: they do not read music (simply play what feels good). But that does actually work unless your playing is entirely alone. If you want to COUNT (so as to be in time with other players .. on the same note) you have to have measures (bars) and you must count 1-2-3-4 and know which measure are the others playing. Even drums and bass (rhythm) have to count. .. and to count you have to be cognizant of measures.

Well, music is very similar to language. It is like native speakers may not know their grammar but still use their language according to its rules. So they kind of "know" the grammar without conciously knowing it. Once they want to work with their language professionally (writer, lector, editor, teacher) a concious awareness of the grammar would be very helpful, though.

Erick Fenstermaker If you were happy writing whatever sounds felt good and you were happy with your results, by all means go back to that and forget about this video!

you clearly did not read what I wrote. If you did you would not have posted this nonsense.

Me too! 🤣

So did i !

Indeed

I totally agree with you and feel the same.

The "Too many leaps" example is Jazz.

+Masaaki Hosoi Agreed, also she's teaching the basics of melody writing, its impossible to get someone who didnt write anything for his whole life (like me) and say "go crazy, no rules!", it will end up sounding like shit (as all my attempts did untill now), the same way you cant teach someone how to draw without teaching light and shadow techniques first, after the person masters the technique then it can go, "oh you know, i think i will make my shadows reversed" and it will actually look good because he knows what a shadow is and how it works.... You cant escape from the standard rules if you dont know them.

+Masaaki Hosoi so u have just shortened 33 min video to a simple 3 sentences. you should get paid for that.

+Masaaki Hosoi She explains at the begening with a quote !!!! : "to study music, you must learn the rules to create music, you must forget the rules"

IM WITH U

You must understand the rules before you can break them

Same here, I agree!

i third that! sample and yet so relevant!!

Thought about this kind of people minutes into watching this video. What kindness! ~

rawstarmusic K

Said never by the sophists

You're a human, too. Just saying. Do something good with that.

The "Too many leaps" example is Jazz.

So true!

Very cool once you consider it.

There`s lot’s of hidden logic that binds that phrase. (Pattern, direction, rythm, repetition of pattern, common tones, etc)

You need to learn the rules, before you can break them! Knowing both what the rules are and why they exist is an excellent starting point for some creative writing.

_I could just keep on going on and on about._ Please go on, this is the most informative comment for someone like me, who's trying to digest and learn it all, that I've read so far. If you have any references, be so kind and reference me to them. Contrary to what 21st century may seem like, even at this age it's hard to get hold of valuable information.

I totally agree. Music is a language, as is English. Poetry or a story can be written from the heart, but in order to write, you need to understand the rules of English.

***** Music, just like anything in life, is made up of certain elements. If you know the music theory, you have conscious control over all the elements of music and can easily manipulate them to create desired effects. It's just so much superior to know all the details, than not.

***** Well, that's almost true. Ok, you don't need music theory per se, but trying to make music without it is-I"ll extend your analogy-more like trying to pound a nail into wood using completely random objects around the house instead of just using a hammer. Maybe it works better; most of the time, it doesn't. The thing is, theory didn't exist before music did-it was developed over time by musicians who came up with rules that reminded musicians that doing "this" makes the listener feel "that", etc., which made composers' lives much easier and enabled them to develop more complex ideas. And there are certain "standard calibrations" that human ears across the world follow: Octaves, fifths, scales of different pitches, and tonics, which are the foundation of pretty much every musical system in the world. Of course, as musicians we have to avoid falling into the traps of predictability and strict formulaic composition as well, but mostly because the listener would get bored. And the final judge of any music one creates or mixes, too, really should be the ear-if it sounds great to your ear, it works; if it doesn't, maybe not so much.

Withme Whostoned Sorry for the wait. Most of this theory information I got by going on an archive binge across the Internet, skimming stuff off the top of various articles, but I have a lot of bookmarks too, and I'll just list a few of them here because I'm extremely lazy and I don't want to explain everything right now. www.thejazzresource.com/ Jazz theory is great. It was made for pushing the envelope, but thanks to its mostly sensory rather than theoretical tradition it doesn't branch so far off into the abstract and avant-garde so that it's entirely inaccessible, with the exception of free jazz. Basically, that means to me a greater realm of expression in music. www2.siba.fi/muste1/index.php?id=63&la=en A bit of explanation of how notes tend to work in scales, melodically. utminers.utep.edu/charlesl/chords.html A very big chart of harmonic possibilities. www.filmmusicnotes.com/ You'll be surprised how much you can learn from John Williams. www.howmusicreallyworks.com/ I haven't actually bought the book, but reading these first 6 chapters offered free did give me some valuable information. music.tutsplus.com/ Though this website is mostly for digital music producers, there are a few theory tutorials that I've found handy. The mixing tutorials here are also quite good for home producing. Remember: Don't trust everything, especially since I'm not exactly the greatest musician myself; just take and apply the parts that sound good (in practice, not on paper) to your music.

I agree

It's good.

debussy is a better example, but even he had rules he followed. john cage on the other hand...

Rule #1 in songwriting THERE ARE NO RULES

Show yourself out plz.

G & tonic.

+rawstarmusic nice

VictoriaSobocki. hi

I'll second that :-)

Music theory is not a set of rules, it's a guide.

Hey, did you find anything?

Thanks for the heads-up, my friend. I might have run into the same problem.

@@liammay7756 Unless you are doing counterpoint because then it is a set a rules.

Good point. The rhythm of the notes may be as important as the notes themselves. Some pianist said something like: "Other pianists can play the notes as well as I can. But I can play the spaces between the notes better than anyone."

To determine the key sing the first note and pluck the E or the B string and slide your finger up the fretboard until you reach the note (example Bb) and that is your key .. and most likely the first chord . If Bb is the root (or tone) that is the 1 chord so first try to use a 1-4-5 (example (C-F-G7) chord sequence. If it is more of a doo-wop use a 1-6-2-5 chord sequence (example C-Am-Dm7-G7) Here is how chords GO TO chords The 1 can go to any note in the scale. It is root. It is the tone note or “tonic.” the 2 goes to the 5 the 3 goes to the 6 the 4 goes to the 1 or 5 the 5 goes to the 1 the 6 goes to the 2 Like this 1 → 3 → 6 → 2 → 5 → 1 C - E7 - Am - Dm - G7 - C 1 → 4 → 5 → 1 → 4 → 5 C - F - G7 → G - C - D7 1 → 6 → 2 → 5 (Doo Wop) C Am Dm7 G7 If 1 chord goes to the 3 chord 1 → 3 (C to E7) and 3 goes to 6 (A7) and 6 goes to 2 (D7) and 2 goes to 5 (G7) then you have the “Five Foot Two” called the “Circle Progression) C - E7 - A7 - D7 - G7 - C is 1 - 3 - 6 - 2 - 5 - 1 If 1 chord goes to 4 chord it is 1 - 4 - 5 progression. If 1 goes to 5 chord ithen it goe to the 1 (right?) Yes If 1 goes to 6 chord (A7 or Am) then 6 goes to 2 and 2 goes to 5 and you have the classic 1-6-2-5 or 6-2-5-1 used in many nice jazz tunes andalso Doo Wop Eb-Cm-Fm7-Bb7 C-Am-Dm-G7 If 1 goes to 2 chord which is D then 2 goes to the 5 and 5 goes to 1. This is called 2 - 5 - 1 example is Dm7 → G7 → C But because Dm7 if the relative minor of F and so it is kind of like a 1 - 4 - 5 which is our basic TRIAD, So you know how ROOT can go to any chord and there is a logcial sequence back to root. We have looked at one, two, three, four, five, six and seen how they progress back to one. Karen Ramirez explains it well (but her circle of 5ths is backwards .. she does it that way) (kind of screechie but good content)

Thanks for that. it should be possible to do things by ear and theory; after all, Sib 7 lets you sing your melody into notation, literally, From a philosophical view, I like that feature.

DRA Hodson You can play your melody in every key, randomly pick one and figure it out. Worry about picking the key you like later.

@@Gitfidlpickr there's an app for that

You can check out my song on my channel. I don't know how good I actually am.

Try?

4real tho

Did this work?

Trust me I got music theorie for some years from real teachers and I did not understand jack sh****. Themselves 33 minutes made it crystal clear to me now.

@@Asmr_kungfu I agree, most people just aren't that great at teaching. I often have the impression that some teachers like to make the student feel confused/dumb. This way of teaching is really great. It doesn't use unnecessary jargon, and is spoken in a really clear and understandable way. It's rare to find such content on the web.

I agree there is also a difference in listening and LISTENING and L I S T E N I N G. :)

Willie B Lol you guys... I agree tho

There's a different between hearing and listening. I know I'm 1 year late, but I'm bored.

good point, i read an entire book on that subject

Ur so dumb...

Yea I actually felt like I'd be something Id write

My whiskey sings hymns going down my throat

Pentatonic is really easy to write in

One can still ask "how to write a melody?" In the context of confirming you understood someone correctly🤣

According to Wikipedia, "motive" is a legit spelling as well. Although personally I'd stick to "motif" and deprecate "motive" as well, simply because it's less ambiguous.

Ugh.

That actually makes much more sense now, thank you. "Motif", in common language, is like a recurring theme. "Motive" makes it sound I'm writing a mission objective or something, rather than making a thematic feel.

It's because 'motif' is French for 'motive'. Americans hate using French words I think...

***** But I mean, "motif" is an actual English word now. And, it means something completely different from "motive". If anyone doesn't agree, they can just look it up in an English dictionary. The definition they see will make far more sense than "motive" in the context of creating a musical feel.

+Joumana Rashad but how do you know what notes they are?

+TinaDidSomthing -_- If you play any instrument, you would know the notes.

+Joumana Rashad ikr

thats not always true lol

same

ddeeej haha I was just thinking of that too. More like Ellen (even tho they're the same voice)

Jesse Chao Even though Ellen voices Dory.. Dory just sounds different than Ellen, you know what I'm saying?

thats exactly what I thought!!! its calming also

😂👌

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Ellen Degenerate? remember Sodom and Gomorrah

james king 😂 😂 more people need to hear this

​@@jamesking5508 You're a human piece of excrement hellbent on keeping humanity focused on the unimportant. I'm sure Jesus would care more about you being a pleasant and kind human than judging people based on factors out of their control.

@@totalbrainfail1812 mann you insult like true gentleman. Respect

So true, remember that God loves his children so much that he will torcher them for eternaty if they don't kiss his ass.