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@vuthuytien4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this beautiful conversation. I grew up in Vietnam, where fate is highly emphasized in Chinese astrology. People get readings during childhood and C-section is very common in order to choose the best birth chart possible for the baby. I have a lot of difficult aspects in my chart (Sun conjunct Mars and Mercury in Sagittarius, Moon in Capricorn conjunct Saturn in Aquarius, Venus in Scorpio very close to Pluto in Scorpio in the 12h house). A lot of family issue and anger outburst when I was younger. My Sun is square Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th house doesn't help, it feels like I had always had problems with authority in the past (abusive managers, controlling patterns at work, invasive bosses..). I got pregnant in 2015 and it was totally unexpected, at the same time I got a job offer, an once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and some close friends even told me to get rid of '"it". I cried the whole morning in the bathroom the day I got my pregnancy test, and spent the whole weekend contemplating on my life and what I wanted to do for the next step. Then, during a meditation session, very strangely, I felt a connection with my baby, and just couldn't think about letting him go that way. My husband was very supportive, he respected my choice. So I decided to keep the baby, I wanted to bring him up in unconditional love and motherly protection, and help him grow into a mature responsible man (I don't know why but I felt this masculine energy and was persuaded that it would be a boy, it did turn out to be right). That also meant a lot of stuff to work through: I left my well-paid job, refused the job offer and moved to France, we decided to build our family in my husband's country. It was hard, very hard. I remember the countless times I felt so lonely and desperate, sometimes regretted the life I left behind. But seeing my boy growing up always gives me strength and the opportunity to grow my own ideal family that I've never had keeps me inspired. Pregnancy was a turning point for me, I think that was the moment, the fine line where fate and free will meets. I had my free will to keep the baby, and chose the "hard" way through life. My life is much better now. My childbirth was like an initiation for me. I had a C-section in emergency and almost died. And it was like coming back to like with whole new perspectives. Then my dad passed away and I missed the chance to see him in his deathbed. During 2 years I thought I was practicing escapism: spending time listening to astrologers on KZfaq (including you), spending money on books on spiritual studies and esoteric literature, reducing my social circle and spending a lot of quality time with myself. Then gradually my family and close friends began to tell me that I was like another person, in a positive way. I made it to change some very negative life patterns, still get a lot of work to do but my life is good now and I'm grateful for all. Thank you for reading this. Keep doing the great work, your contents are much appreciated and needed right now.
@towardsthelight2204 жыл бұрын
I think of fate as a box and freewill as existing within that box. Some boxes depending on spiritual agreements and/or Karma are smaller or bigger than others. There are absolutes of course. You cannot for example sprout wings and fly obviously.
@justme-tj3jt4 жыл бұрын
Working with the planets (and other things) is a component of Magick. You learn Nateral Law, how the Universe flows, works, you work with it, not against it.
@veronicaoldland78344 жыл бұрын
Life is like a river. One not know what is around the next bend. I just get into the river and flow with it. In life I have chosen to stand on the shores, lay on the shore and many times paddle upstream. Now I just trust, even when the waters are rough. Many times it is very uncomfortable even painful other times wondrous. This is life and I have The free will to choose how I interpret my ride. Many blessings
@souloftheexile23044 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite topics ever. I am in a period of my life where I feel that I have no control. There are blocks and obstacles at every turn, no matter how hard I try or how many attempts I make to change my circumstances. How do I respond? Well, I cry a lot. I pray a lot, too.
@katielynneyoung47384 жыл бұрын
I come your channel to further my learning about ancient astrology, but I always leave with so much with so much more. Thank you for all that you do🙏 This was a great conversation. I believe in pre-birth soul contracts and that as astrologers, we're reading the pattern or energy signatures that ourselves or our clients set up with the Universe and other souls in their group before coming into the physical body. I guess I lean more toward stoicism with a dash of freewill thrown in for good measure.
@MelissaThompson4324 жыл бұрын
Yes, this, but you put it so much better...
@vincelfk4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what has been on my mind, thanks about to watch now
@MarvelGirl1004 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. GREAT TOPIC THAT MOST ASTROLOGERS WILL NEVER SPEAK OF OR ABOUT. ALL THE BEST FOR THE REST OF 2020
@janetbrowning14474 жыл бұрын
To me it is not about trying to be in control, but learning how to sway within the weather of life and keep one's head above water, whatever is going on
@lfayeweatherly34934 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying the new structure with Cat asking the questions. Nice!
@tricamorrison12184 жыл бұрын
I understand astrology to an interpretation based on the knowledge acquired by the astrologer. It is one thing to record the birth chart blueprint and another to express what the planetary positions mean in the houses. This is most evident by the numerous approaches to reading an individuals chart. After a professional reading the individual still needs to adapt and consider how this information has shown up to understand the bigger picture or how these influences have played or are playing out.
@MelissaThompson4324 жыл бұрын
My metaphor is that your personal astrology is like DNA; it describes your potential, but your choices/actions/behaviors/experiences determine how that's expressed.
@lightbodyvehicle4 жыл бұрын
Super great conversation. Really smart questions followed by fabulous answers. Both people have gifts for astrology and philosophy. Bravo ! Namaste.
@ailishfarragher59944 жыл бұрын
Loved the unpacking of planetary / ritual magic and astrology. Made sense!
@leonievw24664 жыл бұрын
Cat has the same accent as Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Lovely to listen to
@serenadevon4 жыл бұрын
I love your content..very informative. I was binge watching you videos yesterday... very addictive. Unfortunately at this time I cant sign up for your classes. I hope in the future I may be able to do so. Thank you for everything thing you do!!! Blessings & good health to your family. 💖
@serenadevon4 жыл бұрын
Also a question for Q&A content. Can an astrologer detect psychic gifts for a natal chart?
@meredith35884 жыл бұрын
Great information. It is good to be reminded of this every so often.
@evewittenmyer82394 жыл бұрын
Wonderful conversation. Really helped me clarify some thoughts on this topic. Thank you so much!
@twade20064 жыл бұрын
I am on the Buddhist path and took a path to have a spiritual practice, following an ayahuasca experience. I am growing in my understanding of dependent arising and just last night thought... I am in a matrix, at which point I felt rebellious and trapped. I will have to work through this. My question is that earth is having a hard time meeting the wants of humans. For most of the world, just existing takes all their effort... this doesn’t seem conducive to spiritual practice: Have most humans built up such karma that the world looks as dire as it does today?
@isaghanayem4 жыл бұрын
This is such a quality video, thank you!!!
@bridgetkorns81744 жыл бұрын
Great talk!
@walternash92414 жыл бұрын
Great video. Just what I needed to hear. Thanks!
@MelissaThompson4324 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT discussion.
@suromita4 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite topic. Wonderful insights. Many thanks 😊🙏🏻
@vickylim38524 жыл бұрын
So wise! One of the best commentaries on astrology I've heard! Love listening.
@MelissaThompson4324 жыл бұрын
I prefer to speak of "soul contract" rather than "fate." If there's something you can't change or opt out of, you contracted for that; you're not the victim of the vagrant whim of some capricious deity. There is a purpose to the inevitable, and it's your purpose. THAT'S what you surrender to when you surrender to the inevitable.
@gratitudeindeed81904 жыл бұрын
I always felt something pushing me pulling me shoving me..never felt as if i had any free will. As if a child running after God to catch up.. as he walks.🍯🍯🍯🍯
@Discreet177124 жыл бұрын
Tao of Pooh :)
@Yogis4064 жыл бұрын
I met someone when Venus was conjunct my vertex. It feels pretty profound looking back at it.
@alisonperry17864 жыл бұрын
Wowbrilliantthankyou
@Solar.Goddess4 жыл бұрын
Its all one massive matrix. Even neo stayed in the matrix yet another program. I wish I could see this whole system rewritten made better with love and peace. So done with the Chaos stuck in astrology/the script
@graylunsford4 жыл бұрын
i know the feeling but “chaos” is what allows for free will. nothing could change without chaos. sometimes chaos saves us from ourselves.
@davidbrother22004 жыл бұрын
Although I am steeped in astrological books, ideas, learnings and practices like you, I have never heard of white magic, ritual magic, or Venus spells. How does one learn to do magic? Become one with Spirit? Still working on that through prayer, affirmations and meditation, but only for about 18 months now. Am I being impatient? Mangalam Bhagavan Vishnu
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
Really doesn't need to be a goal imo!
@davidbrother22004 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-Elenbaas Magic? It's beyond me! But thanks for your opinion. I am, therefore I am. There is no matter without spirit, no spirit without matter...at least not in this "real" world.
@user-dl3oc7sb5s4 жыл бұрын
So, what you are saying is... Astrology is also a kind of magic. Therefore, are you using it as a tool to achieve purity?
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
No. Astrology isnt a kind of magic. It can be used alongside of magical technologies, but it wasn't inherently a magical practice.
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
The goal of astrology is also not to achieve purity. It's simply to aid the soul as it walks through the material world, experiencing the fruits of previous choices.
@user-dl3oc7sb5s4 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-Elenbaasthank you for your replies, and for clarifing my questions🙏🏻
@wyobird42854 жыл бұрын
Where can I read more about this?
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
You really have to study the philosophy and metaphysics of the ancient mystics who practiced astrology...in the meantime if you check out some of my archives you'll find lots of talks on the spiritual and philosophical history of astrology!
@annakobuk3618 Жыл бұрын
There is not much free will for people with Saturn as ascendent ruler 😔
@lindahart91014 жыл бұрын
And where does intuition come from?
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
The supersoul within the heart!
@afriaenafriaen96683 жыл бұрын
Dear Acyuta, I don't mean offense, but I do not find your explanation of fate vs free will satisfactory. And this question I feel is essential to astrology. I agree that the contradiction free will/destiny is merely conceptual, but I do not agree with your alternative. I believe the only free will is that of nature, or the 'supreme controller' if you will. Apart from that I do not see any free will anywhere in this universe, and if there is no free will, it means that astrology has to be used in a different manner than how many astrologers use it. If there is no free will, and the events which a chart lays bare can not be avoided, then what use does a chart have, except promoting insight in processes? I would like to go deeper into this with you, as I am a student in Hellenist astrology, and this aspect is my major hurdle concerning the material. Up till now I have not seen or read any astrologer who gave me a satisfactory answer to this. For sure any guru also who says there is something like free will which can alter karma, falls down flat as a charlatan, because none of them explain what their free will would be. In one sentence they say that the doer is God and in the other that we have free will and next they don't explain how these relate. Of course we have a feeling of free will, but it isn't truly free by any definition. Freedom would entail that there is an I, and as practitioners of meditation will confirm, there really is no substantial I to be found, outside of the idea 'I'. If there is no I, then how can there be free will? Who is choosing? I think the only right answer can be: 'God'. Then how to see astrology?
@joannesepulveda214 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, how would an accurate future prediction, for example from a seer, be explained if we have fate & free will?
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
Karma, just as I explained in the video...choices and patterns of choices in this life and previous lives have consequences...which is what we call fate...but it's just the results of previous choices!
@alisonperry17864 жыл бұрын
Im a planner .. more and more as these last few years unfold my travell plans ,participation in events ,places i wana spend time at ,have been cancelled due to forces outside myself....... at first I felt cursed then I realized as a yogini I needed to deepen my attempts at surender to divine will and its o.k lately After the corona restictions Im mostly feeling Disapointment and im also aware that im not the only one who is being offered the chance to wake up and grow into my truth
@joannesepulveda214 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-Elenbaas I appreciate you taking the time to reiterate. It seems that an accurate seer, despite free will, would still be able to predict due to Karma, choices, patterns and consequences.
@animir7631 Жыл бұрын
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@tonyrobin31244 жыл бұрын
There is no “you”
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
Ancient astrologers believed in the eternal and immutable soul. Each individual is an agent of pure consciousness. So while you may believe there is no self, this wasn't the belief of astrologers.
@tonyrobin31244 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-Elenbaas But in the end beliefs don’t cut it, if we want to know what we truly are beyond the personal sense of doership we must find out first-hand. This is our birthright. Otherwise we remain merely in the field of speculation and doubt which is not liberating no matter how brilliant and knowledgable one is. Direct knowing can’t be proved, demonstrated, explained or grasped intellectually - it is revealed in stillness. Awareness itself, which is not personal but it is real, it’s our reality.
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
@@tonyrobin3124 The simple point is that what you're saying isnt in line with the realizations of ancient astrologers, who generally taught that God is a being apart from the soul, though the soul is also a part of God, and that the awakening of the soul is a process of the soul cultivating a relationship to its source, through love, and through contemplation. So they weren't monists or non-dualists or voidists, which is what you are suggesting...they certainly saw an impersonal all-pervasive quality in God, but they didnt see this quality as the end game of spiritual life. To the Hermeticists, Platonists, and Yogis, to name a few, spiritual awakening was a process of the soul awakening to its true spiritual form in the spiritual world, with God and other awakened souls. Now your practices and beliefs may be different, which is fine. Astrology is certainly flexible enough to accommodate and impersonalist perspective...its just not what ancient astrologers had realized.
@Adam-Elenbaas4 жыл бұрын
The other problem with what you are saying is that you are making definitive statements about that which you are saying cant be explained intellectually. God can indeed be related to intellectually because this is part of how God relates and speaks to us, individually. This is why Krishna says in the Gita that those souls who surrender to him are given the intelligence to understand him and to move closer to him. The intellect isnt an enemy of spiritual understanding any more than talking or sound is an enemy of silence, no more than form is an enemy of formlessness. The ancient astrologers believed that all forms in the material world had eternal referents...this is where the idea of an idea itself comes from...or an archetype. This is also why neither monists nor Buddhists were the sort of sages to recieve horoscopic astrology...the impersonal absolutist isnt interested in the eternality of individual forms existing in eternal relationships.
@tonyrobin31244 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-Elenbaas Your reply brought these words from the zen master Huang Po to mind: Many people are afraid to empty their minds lest they may plunge into the Void. They do not know that their own Mind is the void. The ignorant [seekers] eschew phenomena but not thought; the wise [seekers] eschew thought but not phenomena