Fazua Evation Review - Light Ebike Motor System

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4 жыл бұрын

electricbikereview.com/forum/... Hi guys! While visiting BULLS today I got to spend some time with their new Fazua models (the Wild Flow EVO RS and Alpine Hawk EVO). Both use the Fazua (pronounced Fahd-Zua) drive system. I called the company and asked all of my questions about the power, torque, controller readings, and options... and really learned a lot! So, I filmed this little review and wanted to share the details since it might take a bit more time to publish the bikes. Overall, the motor is capable and definitely made climbing easier... even steep off road climbing was made possible for me, eve with my knee sensitivity. The motor does make some whining noises and the battery capacity is limited. There's no shift detection, no USB charging ports, the battery must be turned on before the handlebar control pad can activate the system (which is annoying because if the battery is locked to the frame, this takes extra time). I wasn't able to figure out walk mode or activating lights, which was interesting given that the BULLS Wild Flow EVO RS has Monkey Link lights. Perhaps someone here can chime in? All of my research findings are listed below, all weights were done by me in person aside from the bottom bracket. Hit me up with any questions you've got and I'll try to get answers or chime in with your own thoughts!
- Warranty: 2 years on the battery, 30 months on all other motor systems
- Battery 250 weight: 3.1lbs
- Battery specs: Samsung 3200Ma 18650 cells 10 series 2 parallel
- Battery voltage: 36v
- Battery amp hours: 7ah
- Battery watt hours: 252wh
- Battery charger: MDA 1.4lb 42.0 volt 2.0 amp
- Estimated charge time: 3.5 hours
- Estimated range: 20 to 50 miles
- Motor weight: 4.2lbs
- Combined battery and motor "Drivepack": 7.3lbs
- Bottom Bracket gearbox: 2.8lbs
- Motor power: 250 watts nominal, 400 watts peak
- Peak torque output: 60 newton meters
- Display details: Fazua Remote, Fixed, Color LED, Buttons: Up, Power, Down, (Top LED Illuminates in Red or Yellow to Communicate an Error, See Dealer, Illuminated Green when paired with optional Bluetooth smartphone app)
- Display readouts: Battery Level (10 Bars), Assist Level (Green BreezeMode, Blue RiverMode, Pink RocketMode)
- Pedal assist details: (Measures Rear Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence, and Pedal Torque in Real Time, Green BreezeMode 75% 125 Watts, Blue RiverMode 150% 250 Watts, Pink RocketMode 240% 400 Watts)
- Options: Downtube cover (weighs ~1lb, serves to reduce weight when riding without assist, doubles as a storage container), Remote fX (downtube mounted, turns the battery and display on with just one click, requires the Locker pX interface vs. standard locker)

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@NWforager 4 жыл бұрын

theres only 1 trusted guy to do this type of technical ,clearly unbiased review justice imo . Mr Rye . Thanks for keeping these big companies on their toes 😎

@peterrabbitwarren 4 жыл бұрын

I love the Fazua concept. I'm still fit enough at 60 to get by with 250 watts. The simplicity and light weight is great. Hoping more mainstream manufacturers sign up.

@Brandon_Neil 4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget 400 watt peak. Plus it has 60 n.m of torque vs. about 40 n.m with a hub motor.

@jondonnelly4831 4 жыл бұрын

the black pepper update (free) brings it to 300watt and max cadence of 110. Really good power. Plus you could carry a second or 3rd battery. There is a extended bottlecage that does that.

@robertphillips4155 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job as always, thanks. I recently purchased a Bulls E-Core Di2 FS 27.5+ (9/2019) and love it. You often bring up the lack of shift sensing as a downside and I didn’t really understand why. I mean, on a non-electric bike you don’t have that and all I have to do is back off peddling a little and I’m golden. It’s different on an eBike. I find that on my Bulls even if I back off peddling it often does not matter, especially in higher assist mode. It takes the motor anywhere from 1/2 to 1 second (my estimate) to disengage so unless I want to stop peddling and wait for a second to shift, the motor will still be engaged and shifting will be rougher than I want. Not as rough as if I was actually applying pressure on the peddles though. Other than that ... I love the bike. It handles amazingly well and helps me get to the summit quickly. The electronic shifting is very cool and works great. I can go from 8th gear to 5th, 3rd, 1st or any gear with a single press of a button ... WOW! I can enjoy the ride up and down. I take on trails that I would not attempt before.

@alanhold2468 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing more about the system

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

I’ll be spending more time with it today and tomorrow. Let me know if you think of any questions ;)

@donscottmacdonald 4 жыл бұрын

In your next reviews of these, can you test hill climbing? About the only time many of us are biking when we want electric help is going up long or steep hills. Thanks.

@felixontherocks 3 жыл бұрын

very nice review! I think it might be worth noting the legal constraints of electric bikes in Germany which are only allowed to support you up to 25kph and have to uncouple above (you can get bikes which go to 45kph but those need license, insurance, helmet etc. they don't count as bicycle anymore). This explains a little further the importance of the complete uncoupling with the Fazua motors, which promise to be more comfortable at higher - and unsupported speeds.

@H8ts 4 жыл бұрын

It's nice solution, but 250Wh (while 630Wh is really becoming standard these days), impossibility to charge it on bike and that 2 steps power on process... kinda letdown in the end. I don't mind the lower torque output. Anyway nice review, thanks.

@Michael-wn4jj 4 жыл бұрын

Good on road bikes where riders want to have some assist here and there. Also when enjoy riding in team with classical road bikes just having motor plus battery removed w/o the need of a second expensive road bike. Brand name Fazua (fa' zua) is from bavarian dialect and means drive on or go go go.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Michael V nice! Thanks for the translation help, Michael :D

@markyboyclark 4 жыл бұрын

Does it feel good? Does it feel like the wind is always behind? Is it smoothe when you go past the limit? Would you buy one?

@ting280 4 жыл бұрын

that's a clean profile. shows that soon enough these will be available in 500w 48v 17ah for bikepacking and commuting setups.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Dr Brooklyn yeah, I can’t wait! This system is really exciting for me, it fits my ride style and moves back towards acoustic cycling in a way that won’t leave my knee throbbing on hills ;)

@nestogonzo1 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, cool tech, thanks.

@Rockinbiker1946 Жыл бұрын

I have a LOOK e-765 and love it. You do not need to push the power button on the battery motor pack, you turn on the unit using the controller on the handle bar. Also, the bike comes with a dummy cover for the battery pack where you can remove the battery and put the dummy on the empty tube and clip it into the bike eliminating the weight of the battery and ride the bike as a non assisted bike.

@kona_moon6055 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good system for smaller bikes (e.g., folding bike).

@sageoz9886 4 жыл бұрын

This is the perfect motor system for a kid's e-bike

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Sage Oz interesting point! I hadn’t really thought of that use case!

@FAZUA 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Sage! Indeed it also fits to lightweight kids bikes. If you check our website fazua.com you´ll find some amongst the "adult" bikes :)

@metamorphicorder 4 жыл бұрын

This is pretty cool. Not really my thing but i see who its aimed at and i think its good for that.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

metamorphicorder right on, I’m excited to see how it does this year and get more feedback from people who buy it :)

@alanwilliams9021 4 жыл бұрын

Will it connect to Garmin for power, cadence speed readout? On the lowest setting say putting out 125W and climbing a decent hill and you're putting out 125W does it mean there's 250W ?? Thanks for review

@senorpants5604 4 жыл бұрын

I love that it's not obvious that these are e-bikes from a distance. I assume removing the motor returns it to the pedaling difficulty of a regular bike? I'd buy that.

@perfectforths 4 жыл бұрын

To clean your chain put an allen key in the chainring bolt and when you spin the pedals backwards your chain will move.

@jimji2774 2 жыл бұрын

I recently rode a $9000 Orbea Rise M10 and then the Wildflow from Bulls on sale at nearly half the price. Guess which one I bought. They have about the same torque and the Bulls may be a bit lighter. I actually think the Wildflow is better looking. However its now 2022 and its already discontinued what a shame. As far as limited battery capacity goes I will be finding out soon enough. My last ebike had a 635 wh battery but was at least 20 lb heavier and for easy bike trail and road work I never used more than half of it after 2.5 hrs or riding so I am betting the Wildflow will be enough for me. Not to mention it is so light and rolls so easily with the narrower 2.35 tires that it is very nice to ride without assist so I could get home without power much easier than a lot of bikes with these huge fat tires..I was delighted to find a dealer that still had some of these bikes available.

@multilingualmob5531 4 жыл бұрын

Has anyone experienced a rattle sound emitted from the Fazua drive pack latch when riding over bumpy terrain? Or if you lift and drop the front end of the bike to the pavement....rattle, rattle, rattle?

@guitartec 4 жыл бұрын

Court, I just put in a good word at Juiced for you concering you doing an updated Ripcurrent review and probably all their other new ebikes as well. They have a new CCX, the Scrambler and the brand new Scorpian e-moped they just introduced. They now have a giant warehouse near their main office also in Chula Vista and they REALLY have an amazing service department now. A TON of things have changed at Juiced and they have many new employees. I hope you push this re-review with them.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

guitartec thank you! I feel like it’s overdue and I hope we get the chance to visit and film soon ;)

@madeyemoodey9633 4 жыл бұрын

I really like the concept of a lightweight e-mtb with a light assist motor. It would be great to see a full review of the Bulls Wild Flow. The Bulls Bikes USA website doesn’t list the Wild Flow. When will this bike be available in North America? Thanks

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Madeye Moodey good question, I think they are working on a website update right now. I’ll mention this to the NA team and ask them to chime in on your comment here ;)

@pcranebmw 4 жыл бұрын

How do you load / unload the battery/motor? Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

@FAZUA 4 жыл бұрын

Hi pcranebmw, there is a release button on top of the downtube. If you press this button you can take out the battery and drivepack. It´s even easier to put the motor and battery back into the downtube. Just press it against the remaining hole and oce you hear a "click" the locker fixated everything.

@vicentvanmole 4 жыл бұрын

what is the weight of the Full suspension bike.Wish more companies go for lighter weight than range or make modular batteries (add on ) depend on your ride

@danb37 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Lots of Dads that have 90 Lbs kids who would benefit from a lightweight smaller mountain bike

@joemelcher Жыл бұрын

I had the Fazua Evation system on my bike for 3 years. Loved it! However, I left my bike out one night and there was a heavy downpour. Next day, the system would not turn on. Ran the diagnostics and sent in to Fazua. They said, your battery is ruined. I was mad that they would not replace it (it was a year out of warranty), and they only said, it's got some rating for moisture exposure whose number I can't remember and that should not have happened. Well, it did happen! I'm sorely disappointed. And this happened when my bike was upright, not moving. What would have happened had I been riding in equally drenched conditions!?

@HenkP85 4 жыл бұрын

The remote is pretty ugly. I would highly recommend to choose the newest option wich is having the controls on the frames power button. But I guess these Fazua Bikes are kind of cool. I even like the empty cover that comes in when you decide to drive it without the motor (bikepark for example). They designed it as a storage and thats what you want in a bikepark. Just some parts like a tube, some tools and a tiny pump. You don't need a backpack for that. And if you are going for your home trails or some enduro stuff you can decide to run the same bike as an ebike. I am just a bit shocked about the noise when you stop padeling. It was like "now something is broken". I have a BULLs dealer next door and will defenetly have a closer look at this. The Lapiere EZESTY AM 9.0 is btw. maybe the right bike for those who are looking for a bit more travel (150mm)

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Henrik P cool, I’d love to hear your thoughts after a test ride or two. I agree that the Remote fX (downtube mounted) is more convenient. I like that both have Bluetooth and work with the app... but it didn’t appear that you can adjust assist with the app? I also got the impression that the Downtube Cover (empty cargo holder part) costs extra? I asked how much but the Fazua rep didn’t know.

@peterdaly6137 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review, Court. Seeing a lot of Fazua systems now on bikes here in Ireland and Europe. Unfortunately for us, max assisted speed is limited to 25kph by law. You can of course derestrict, but not to be advised as it will invalidate your warranty and could lead to liability issues if you were involved in a crash.

@bastogne315 Жыл бұрын

So what derestrict this sh it

@ramasita4797 4 жыл бұрын

HI guys does anyone know whats the 20 percent and 80 percent of la 52 lunacycle(brand) battery?

@-joo3033 4 жыл бұрын

Why are asking it here?

@abelramos8652 3 жыл бұрын

On mtbs trails noise is not noticeable

@superluigiodyssey1337 4 жыл бұрын

Cool

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Super Luigi Odyssey yeah, pretty neat, right! What’s your favorite Switch game?! I was thinking about getting the new Light version for travel :D

@hopeandglory1704 3 жыл бұрын

dose it create any drag after the engine reaches its assistance ?

@dcwaddy123 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely un-noticeable & it's just so quiet.

@douglassterry5019 4 жыл бұрын

Price if you have to ask you can't afford it

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Douglas Sterry good question, each of the bikes I looked at had a different price, the Alpine Hawk road bike is $5,799 and the FS Wild Flow is $5,999 so yeah, on the more expensive side :)

@douglassterry5019 4 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview thank you court my guesstamint is about right so I will save my penny's was looking to buy a European bike I am on a fix income

@AzTurboMini 4 жыл бұрын

It's cool technology but there battery is too small and it's way underpowered for the US market.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

JR Fortenberry I haven’t spent enough time with it to make a call... I like how it basically gives you a acoustic and electric bike in one, but the reduced power and range are limiters for sure. To me, this drive system and battery are like a half step between normal bikes and full on ebikes. As a lightweight active guy, I actually like the system :)

@TommyFamous 4 жыл бұрын

The way we frame environmentalism is negative. It's always seen as a sacrifice to save the planet. As though walking and using bikes more and eating naturally and breathing clean air and having improved mental health would be terrible.

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

Radiculously Rawthentic I almost threw up, reading your comment about all of those wonderful experiences! Just kidding, yeah, the real sacrifices we make are working too much, doing things that hurt each other, living beyond our means :/

@MrMarkusmulder 4 жыл бұрын

These motors are quiet and so small...

@ElectricBikeReview 4 жыл бұрын

MrMarkusmulder yeah! It’s cool new tech, I feel that it could be a little quieter, my experience with Brose has been the quietest and smoothest of all motors so far.