“You like history- Si!” 🤣

You guys never cease to confuse me

Jung specifically said that Fi tends not to show emotion. He said, "Still waters run deep." And when it does show emotion, it does so in a childish manner.

i swear the dynamic between you two is just beautiful 😍 so charming and funny, i come back every time! 🤣

It's pretty fascinating to watch how she's total series and have absolute no emotion on her face for one second and she's laughing like a baby the next second. I always get distracted watching this and have to go back to listen to what they were saying

I think that, in many ways, Fe is a rational function. Heavy Fe users easily internalize the spoken and unspoken customs/social norms of a given group. They can tell you if a certain course of action could cost you your job, social standing, money, or even your life. Secondarily, Fe users enjoy pleasant chit chat with other humans wherin we exchange potentially useful information or find new members for our social network who may be useful in the future. Its not simply an outlet for expressing emotions.

After years of trying to figure it out, I finally came to the realization that Fe is social thinking. Feelings are feelings and thoughts are thoughts, and everyone has feelings and everyone has thoughts. There are no people who have no feelings and no thoughts. But not everyone is good at social thinking. And Fi is not just personal feelings...it is actually an observational frame of mind that comes out from the self...emotional and self-awareness are simply going along with that. (The T/F dichotomy probably has to die and be replaced simply by an objective/subjective dichotomy.) I struggled for years trying to decide if I were an INFP or an INTP and I realized...can I not have traits of both? Then I found out that I am actually on the autism spectrum. So if I am on the spectrum, does that mean that I don't have feelings? Or if I type as an INFP, does that mean that I can't be autistic? People are far too complex to be squeezed into these odd binary classification systems. I have many thoughts and I have many feelings, and I don't need a classification system to either verify that fact or invalidate it. However I am still terrible at social thinking.

You guys are just trying to confuse us so we have to take your course! 😄😄😄 You’ve almost got me. Love watching you two.

YES!!!! I am ENFJ and my ESFJ friend and I were discussing how we feel uncomfortable displaying our emotions. It makes us feel like we lack control of ourselves. We do however care intensely about what makes everyone around us "happy". On a side note, neither of us are big huggers.

The feeling function is not synonymous with emotions.

You guys still didn't show us the difference between Fe and Fi

I have been very hesitant to believe I am an INFJ, because that's everyone...and I usually type as INFP. But I am without a doubt masculine Fe, and have learned to develop my Ti. I'm bad at taking in new info, I hate it, but have also learned to do it when I need it. You have THE BEST descriptions of the functions I've ever heard, and I feel like I finally understand! If I were going off behavior based descriptions, I would forever be confused about my type. Thank you!

I realized Fe-Ti & Fi-Te are dynamics. Somehow I think Ti prioritizes security/safety, being obsessed with accuracy & truth as to be effective, then going to check on what the tribe wants (and which of those desires may bring us closer to security or farther from it.) On the otherhand, Fi prioritizes satisfaction, obsessing over the fulillment of desires, outsourcing the logical capacity of the tribe (Te) in order to get what it wants. But then the nuances of such a dynamic, especially habitual dependence of the extroverted saviors towards tribe validation has a tendency to dilute the introverted deciders. Thus the ExTJ's are IxFP's who got lost in the excessive exposure to the logic of others (where most if not all are fallacy-rich sources) as they try to figure out how to get what it wants. In contrast, ExFJ's are IxTP's who gave up effeciency & accuracy in favor of finding security in the tribe's acceptance, or rather, figured out that the tribe can do a better job in ensuring personal safety.

Jung literally said that Fi people don't show emotions. "It is principally among women that I have found the priority of introverted feeling. The proverb 'Still waters run deep' is very true of such women. They are mostly silent, inaccessible, and hard to understand; often they hide behind a childish or banal mask, and not infrequently their temperament is melancholic. They neither shine nor reveal themselves."

Loving these videos of the two of you presenting the material together!

Every time they flip the bird an angel gets its wings.

yassss this is so true. i hate the stereotypes. im an ENFP and people always say, “oh you have high Fi, you are way more aware of your emotions than i am” and im like.... YO! Stop right there, that is not what Fi does!!!!

The part about feminine and masculine feeling just made me realize why there is such a big difference between my flatmate (ESFP) and me (ENFP) despite both being Fi/Te.

The only reason why Fi tends to conceal emotions is that the outside force would say that your subjective moral you value is wrong. It hurts us that way.

I'd love a video on why Fe, esp in infj gets toted on being "most empathetic, most authentic, deepest, never understood but ALWAYS understands others." I am an ISFP, and find I am more like this than the 3 infj I know. Yet the droves of "infj" on social media eat this right up.

I love coming home to your videos!

I have to admit that i as a Fi dom wasn’t awer of my emotions and kept repressing them until my mid 20s. Fi is maybe much more based in feelings. Emotion are somehow bodily

As an INFJ, I totally get it now, you guys just opened my "third eye" to human psychology and now I'm addicted. Thank you! Lol I hate your Te, yet It all makes so much sense, it's like... I understood your system, and I never struggled with the MBTI shallow bs bcz I always saw it deeper and made it fit through my own system... And like, sometimes you guys are so shallow with logic, but so broad, that you guys give me, like, 5 things to think about in the time that I would usually think just one (that Ti-Te dillema), but what you guys give are the best Te picks for me to dive in, so it's extremely helpful, and now what has happened to me?! I don't hate Te 100% anymore... Ohh... You guys really helped me understand my intuition, and thus, my "self" better, cuz now I can communicate that feminine and masculine thing I always felt but lacked a proper, common, tribal way of saying it... Like, human psychology, sexuality, personality... Everything makes so much more sense now, yet it was always inside of me somehow... Woooow, I feel enlightened by your channel, and now I even understand my masc-Fi fem-Te INFP bestfriend better, with my fem-Fe masc-Ti...

You guys are the coolest - so much fun

Great video. I actually find the way Shannon explains things easier to understand for myself. I think my INFJ? INTJ?struggle is finally over. Seems like Fem Te, masc Fi Shannon has conveyed my reaction to anything I like or dislike so accurately. I have said as long as I remember "I just this kind of person, if I like something, I LOVE it, if I dislike something, I fucking HATE it". And as my Fi is a demon fuction, I do struggle with expressing myself outside my family, but in my comfort zone? maaan, let me just say this, if I love or hate something, I do not care what other people's feeling are on that subject. That is why I always fight with my Fi Si Ne Te sister

I just love your dialogues...love this format. It's not only entertaining but really gets down to some details/perspectives that people miss for whatever reason in a formal presentation. Just one little funny dialogue near the end helped me see that I'm masculine demon Fe, and a friend is masculine demon Fi....I've been trying to figure that one out for ages! :))

What’s your point again?’😳😳

They came out locked and loaded on this one! 😂very strategic

i’m left with more questions than answers

Fe is about feeling more about other people's opinion of you than how you feel about yourself. Fi dominants will cry outwardly behind closed doors or when overly stressed or depressed about how they feel. Fi dominants are almost always sad about something or depressed about something that someone did to him or her. Fe dominants are first to feel about what other people are feeling. They tend to sacrifice a lot like ESFJs sacrifice a lot of themselves for their family and ENFJs sacrifice a lot of themselves for the community like for a community center, an after-school program, a fundraising committee, a homeless shelter, an animal shelter or their church.

This confused me.

It’s not about showing emotions as much about the objects being the focal point. If your actions are more focused on other’s emotions, that would be Fe. If you don’t have it, it’s hard to explain. Fi is much more impulsive because it’s focused on the individual’s emotions. It’s actually really easy to see Fe vs Fi. We are not the same

What are feelings?

How is your definition for Fe/Fi any better than the “MBTI” one you criticize when it’s even more vague and general?

I also need to add that, you really seem experienced in this. You know more than just theory, you know thw facts Way to go

My father once told that emotions are the best judgement the brain can make by itself. So to me that seems like the brain takes in all external variables and than gives a response to it's user. Which could be described as the te-fi axis since te takes external reasons and fi gives a response base on those external variables. I've seen people describe fi as gut feelingd so that kind of make sense. You brain can't really decide which variable is more improtant for it's reasoning or which aren't important at all, how do these variables connect and does this conncection makes sense, is it concsistant? This to me would be ti. A concious effort to justify your actions by reasons. Since this calculaition is internal and you may or may not have overlooked factors or may have something inconsistent in your reasoning and as you don't consider you own emotions and responses that much you have to look outside to see how the others emotionaly respond or base your own reasoning on their emotional response rather than your own. This is just a theory by me, idk, what are your thoughts?

i appreciate your channel so much

I’ve been watching your videos and catching on to some of this info and M&B placed me as INFJ. Since watching I can relate to being an IxxJ (the box) video really resonates with me. Yet I wonder how many of these IxxJ people have had similar pasts in terms of toxic stress/ trauma and how that may play into how someone might live their life which would be JvP. For example: Chronic moving in childhood equates later in life as a barrier to closing a certain chapter, due to losing what is known. Or is it that an IxxJ growing up experiences the chronic moving as something they can’t process well. Is it the personality that shapes reality or is it reality that shapes personality?

Can't say how much I love the humor

I love you guys and how I have an MBTI existential crises every new video! AHHHHHHH! -INFP(?)

How funny that you’re bashing a definition on Fe that you have used yourselves in your older videos. Why not point that out as you’re explaining it...

It finally made sense! this was exactly what I was looking for.

Can Jung's system be boiled down to a savior function and a demon function? What about the conscious ego's interaction with the shadow functions, or the subconscious functions? Does the conscious ego operate independently from these?

so MB describes the typical actions of each function, and ops describes how each function prioritize different values

The mbti definitions you showed seemed to me that it should have read more like how Fi or FE accepts or identifies with the way emotions are handled. For example, I relate more to FI, and I when I see others, or worse myself, make emotional decisions it really turns me off. But, yeah, I value harmony, this way I can avoid unnecessary sensory. So I see your point.

As someone who had been in this cycle for a really long time, I can finally see myself as being an INFJ with fem Fe and Masc Ti. My Fe is really friendly and very conflict averse, while Ti is like “ffs why do you even care, you won’t see this person again…plus he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about”, which is why I actually resonated with the classical ENTP behavior a lot more than the typical saint-like descriptions of INFJs. But nah, even when I’m dying to express my Ti, my Ni-Fe rushes in to stop me from saying anything that will ruin the mood or even my relationships with people.

I love your videos but I think that's not the only definition I've seen in the MBTI forums or videos. I always saw that they describe Fe as begin more aware of others feelings and values, that's basically the same as you say. Also Carl Jung said that Fi users don't show their emotions so that definition it's correct.

Do i use Fi or Fe? Like i 90% believe i am ESFP. I do care about other people’s opinion but at the same time i wouldn’t trade my authenticity and who i am/my likes and dislikes for pleasing someone. I do sometimes find a hard time saying no to people but i wouldn’t do something i don’t want or don’t like in order to please others(sometimes i do but only if the person means something to me or i have a personal gain if i do what they want.). I am very emotional but often i forget about other people’s Emotions when making a decision and i’ve been described as selfish and self absorbed and irresponsible. My obvious ISFJ mom and my ESFJ best friend often tell me i am a bit of a narcissist. I am not very assertive though at all and try to avoid upsetting other people’s feelings however i won’t say i like something if i don’t yet sometimes i tend to be hesitant about speaking my mind and fear embarassement(i am a very shy version of ESFP though). I usually think more about how will my actions Affect me than others yet if i somehow hurt someone’s feelings while being too self absorbed then I’ll feel bad. Like my mom finds it hard to be selfish and then feels bad because she is not selfish i Find it hard to not be selfish. I admit i don’t really know how to “behave” and act silly many times. I am not that good at expressing emotions and tend to bottle up but it’s more for personal peace and harmony rather than not hurting others. I can’t handle criticism

TL;DR- Are capable of criticizing popular misreading of Myers-Briggs without dragging their names through the mud. Please, do better. I, grant you that, your stereotypes are often put out there (especially through the internet) in the popular psychology. I do not agree that in the works of Myers and Briggs the same overgeneralized typology is present. A fair-bit, if not the vast majority of this misreading seems to be from Keirsey laying his theories on Ancient Greek temperaments over the Myers-Briggs’s works and assigning (perhaps forcing) each temperament to four of the types the (and I would argue hastily) creating sub-temperaments for the types. This is not Myres-Briggs, but in popular culture they are conflated because Keirsey. Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is not a test; it is not a “type identifier,” but a “type indicator.” It is intended to get you on base, not to be a home run machine. Now maybe Jung was right and only the dominate function is acting in it attitude; maybe Briggs and Myers were right, and the functions actually alternate; maybe Myers really was on the road identifying addition and informative insight that would have correlated to either the neuroticism of FFM or even your genders and animals, but died before finishing; but Briggs and Myers were insightful, they worked within the contemporary expectations of psychology, and while the culture has shifted to a preference for a more statistical psychological approach, that does not excuse inaccuracy in constructing counter arguments. Briggs and Myers did not assert that it indicated intensity, nor an interpersonal relative proficiency; merely a personal preference for the frequency of use. While you may well be (under the Myers-Briggs theory) more proficient at a any of the functions, the MBTI indicates which functions you likely prefer to use. While it lacks the unethical maliciousness of constructing a straw-man, it would strain credulity to assert you two, as educated in the subject as you are, are unaware that the Pop-Psych version of Myers-Briggs is the same as their works. Pop-Psych personality typing is at least as different from their work as theirs was from, and that perpetuating the false association is beneath you. The original work was not perfect, but it was carefully investigated, it likely lead to progress but it did have a kind of function that was useful often enough to create a sense (likely an intuitive one 😉) that there was some background principle that was valid. If it hadn’t been, I doubt you could justify to yourselves using it as a starting place for your own theories. Edited: For clarity and added paragraphs.

Searching for Masculine Feeling or Feminine Feeling (with the thinking the opposite), I've known instinctively about for a while but haven't been able to articulate. My favorite example is emperor Palpatine, as depicted in the original trilogy: he builds this huge galactic empire (hyper masculine T)...because he has no fwends (hyper feminine F). My masculine F can't take him seriously.

You both should get library cards and read Gifts Differing by Myers and Psychological Types by Jung. It's a logical fallacy (strawman) to Google random definitions and then feign a critique. Cute couple, though.

Way too much sarcasm in this video... You had fun making this video obviously but the satire was layered on thick to the point of incomprehensibility.

You really want to feel Fi, Stress yourself. For an ESTJ, Fi is your inferior function. And an ISTJ, it’s your tertiary function, gotta annoy both of you to feel it.

I'm wondering if it would be possible for you to add your names and brand association to your videos? I like them a lot, but I think DaveSuperPowers is Dave Powers and his wife (?not sure - kind of guessing from videos) Shannon (? not sure - I only hear her name and it's fast) - I've watched a lot of them but even on your website, you don't give your names and there's no org chart or information on who the masthead staff are. Thanks much!

So would an INTP with savior Si be more concious of norms and customs? Perhaps if they're in that Fe rut, as well?

How do you not have Se if you can jump over a fence

I love how honest these people are even though this is confusing as fuck.

What do you think julius caesars type is?

This time hers is bigger than his. I'm just gonna breathe through these. It's gonna be okay.

Lmao I nearly spat my coffee out haha excellent.

What about E- "How does it relate to all of reality" yet it is irrelevant what the tribe's opinion is about the universal principle? Am I E because I'm about how it relates to all of reality, or I because the tribe/herd isn't how I orient myself?

Everyone uses all 8 functions so yes everyone uses Fe and Fi.

Heyyy have you heard about the bloodtypes? We alllll have one. We alllllllll have one of four. And it can tell you soooooooooooo much about your personality (according to this one guy from Japan a while ago)

It seems like you guys value the human needs alot

So what would Masculine Fi look like? I'm an INFP, but I don't really recognize whether my Fi is Masculine or Feminine...neither sounds like how I am...?

The typology community on reddit could not be worse. They haven't even gotten to the stereotype level, my God... Nice to get some common sense.

What would feminine vs masculine NI look like?

I love you two!

I've been looking for that aha for 15 years. Over analyzing to the point of obsession. Always always typed at infj. Always disbelieving.

I don't think there is anything wrong with MBTI or the questions it asks. It's a unique system of its own. It doesn't perceive people to be one or the other but instead a "default" form of being. If a person has/shows Fi strongly, that is where their personality naturally feels most comfortable leading with (nature AND nurture). MBTI does not intend to be one or the other but will likely highlight where one's strengths and weaknesses exist. Hence, a person leads with Fi over Fe but still has the capacity to contain both. I mean... isn't that what your system does too?

Values vs Reasons?

Haha you two are brilliant together 😂thanks for the solid content

Shannon is higher than a kite smoking a joint

Expresses their emotions outwardly? More like we have to learn to do this on a deeper level at some point, and more often. Sensitive to criticism? Nope! More like sensitive to other people's emotions and emotional states. As in we can feel their emotions, but we are detached from their feelings simultaneously, so not sensitive at the same time as being sensitive. Different type of sensitivity! Lives according to norms? Maybeish! We know the norms, but don't always live in them if we are being genuine. Norms aren't what most people think they are either. The Little Old Lady Who Lives In a Shoe? That's a nursery rhyme title. What's my bank account number? I'm not telling you that! Especially here, on the internet. Waba-laba ding-dong? How dare you!?!?! 1+3=4? Yep!

This is off topic from the video but, I think I'm an ENTP and this is supposedly what we do. I went on the MBTI subreddit and I was basically saying that Carl Jung, the guy who's theories this is supposedly based off of said that true introverts and extroverts don't exist and the ones who do are probably in an asylum. Extroversion is a personality trait just like neuroticism is a personality trait. You can have really bad social anxiety which would make you an introvert according to the Myers-Briggs community standards but, you want to spend every waking moment with another person it just terrifies you, so what are you really if not an introvert or an extrovert, an ambivert. Then nearly every person on the planet would be an ambivert, it makes no sense unless introverts and extroverts don't exist. The only people I can think that this would actually apply to would be those in the manic cycle of bipolar disorder and on the flip side those with schizoid personality disorder.

So she’s an ExxJ, neither of them have Ne, and masculine Te. An ENTJ can spot another across a small city

2:00 who you ask? INTJ - “Fuck Harmony! I am Right” ISTJ - Harmony is fine if we are right about what we harmonize over, otherwise; Fuck Harmony!” ESTP - “It means I have to do things by your rules and schedule, Fuck Harmony!” ENTP - “ You want harmony? Why is it so important? Is it even good, I think we can think of a lot of reasons why disharmony is it important! In fact, it is the basis of disagreement which leads to all sorts of social, religious and scientific progress! Harmony is the very death of progress. Fuck Harmony!” *listening ISFJ* “Wow, you’re right we don’t need harmony” ENTP again “Hey, we need Harmony, and here’s why...” ENTJ - “Fuck Harmony! I want obedience!” INTP - “I’m sorry what were you saying, that statement someone said ten minutes ago made me realize that rabbit colonies might work for experiments on my theories of human socializations in densely populated areas. You see if we...”

There is something with Thinking and Feeling that every system is missing out on until now, including OP in its current form. I do not know what it is yet, but I will find out in the next five years. That might just be my Ni peacocking here, BUT I WILL FIND OUT WHAT IS MISSING!

Hell I’m a history nut and SI is dead last in fact I prolly haven’t used it in years.. I have masculine NE and Masciline FIi. It sucks

Infj here, I cry by myself, usually; because I value harmony, and none of those idiots will understand or be able to help anyway.

hahaha i loved the critics at the beginning

Keep em coming!!! :*

YES, the damn STEREOTYPES!!! oh lort lol. Ppl need to seriously stop. Thanks so much for this

I love you guys!

Brilliant Video.

Pretty sure my Te and Ni are masculine and my Se and Fi are feminine. Even when i use those functions they're very teehee and like 🤗 but the masculine ones are like 💪 mwaahahaha my masterplan is moving along

Feelings is chemicals reactions system in the body - brain - cells .. Yet I'm looking for something behind this by asking why people feel differently from each others or what Fi - Fe means if the feedings is just chemicals system , i think the answer for this not about the feelings it self but what these feelings connected with , so far we know the extroverted thinking automatically means you have introverted feedings, and vice versa... , you can't have both or at lest how the study and results shows us at this stage ( even i can see there is possibility for humans can have extroverted feelings and thinking at same time but that another topic and study) , therefore the shape of feedings system linked with shape of thinking system ... , it's same question what is color means without having eyes , you can't say they are always there even if we don't have eyes , because this not accurate , humans is rare species that can see colors in very high and low range because there is system inside them make it that way ... Let me go deeper , and ask what is colors , like we asked what feedings, and i can see there is hidden code in humans make them act like this way , it's similar when ask what is mind , we both know we can't say it's our brain , it's ridiculed.. Dave your system is good somehow but there is glitch in it , by separated thinking and feedings, thay can't be in same line according to your system but i believe the way and how feelings and thinking shape , is completely relies on each others , dave fix this problem, so your system be more and more accurate man I'm very lazy to do it and more interested in playing subnautica👽

Flipping the bird to buckshot. My Ti approved.

1:40 1:45 so half the population only has Fe, and also even if we ignore this error, theres another question: half? Does that means fi fe (in top 4 functions) are distributed in society exactly in half? You dont even corect her. How does you guys simplification is any better from any other horoscope level simplification of how human works. Can you predict behavior with it? Whats the use of this 8 functions and 16 types tool?

The terms "introvert" and "extrovert" should be defined using the Jungian definitions. You know, seeing as how he, himself, coined those terms. Big Five's nomenclature defines "introvert" and "extrovert" according to pop culture definitions.

Is this woman an enfp or entp?

“How is it that if you’re laughing and laughing with someone else, you’re not seeking validation?” That’s such a great point. People say that Jimmy Fallon must be an Fe dom because he laughs so much but I find that to be a really shallow reason

They should just rename Feel+Think with Vi Ve Ri Re... would resolve half the fooking problems.

I thought Fe is valuing others values over self and Fi is valuing self-values over others. For instance, I have Fe and I will consider what others value before making decisions whereas my sister values and prioritizes those values at the expense of others, even to the point of disrupting social harmony. Not sure why a second video of Fe vs Fi was needed but 🤷🏻‍♀️

I like that idea. Stamp mbti on you. It's annoying how many times I've mistyped myself

Don't we all have all 8 functions, just we have a predominant and inferior one?

Would someone who is a Feminine Fi dom look similar to a masculine Te dom?

Thank you, i mean it.

Dave totally looks like spike from buffy the vampire slayer 😍🤣

This setup is way better than the new one. Bring Back The Black.