Deadass playing himself in this movie

Howling 🤣

Babahahaha fr

Ezra is a piece of shlt. he should do the world a favour & take himself out of it, no more danger to the public

But not Bruno

Payton L HHAHAHAHAHA SAME

LMAOOO

What in the flying fuck is a language arts class

S Sh english class

S Sh Is your IQ that low? It’s English class.

I agree. He had a deep hatred for her, and knew that taking away the only 2 people she loved would leave her alone and cause her pain, and by killing his classmates he knew it would cause a huge media frenzy that would ruin her life after; friends, jobs, etc.

But I think when she asks him why he did it, and he responds, "I used to think I knew but now I'm not so sure." Meaning he thought he hated her, and that was the reason for his actions, but now that he's going to an adult jail, and he's scared, alone, and vulnerable(like when he was sick), he's not too sure.

I disagree Talking to his mom at the end, I think he was scared to express his love for his mother and that brought hatred, he used to think he knew he hated his mom, going to big boy jail he realizes how much he loves her and how vunerable he is. He did love his mother, was just scared of real emotions. thats why he said he used to think he knew. But its impossible to say really.

Justin Madden Why would he make his mom suffer countless times then?

because he was defensive and love evokes vunerability, and that scared him, fear evokes anger and in the case of someone who is obviously mentally ill, it would manifest in bizarre behaviour like that. just my opinion

Ryan M well said.

As well as he doesn't feel the power anymore, he killed all those people what he had been aiming to do was finished and realised there was no outcome for it

My reading was that he was trying to manipulate her here too by pretending vulnerability...

Good, he should be afraid. He murdered his father and his little sister without a thought, people like him should live in fear.

Worse than him? Not many out there that are worse than him.

That is a fairly accurate assessment.

Hmm... I guess that would be the obvious answer… But I think the director kind of made the scene the way it is so we can for ourselves figure out what it means… I personally felt that Kevin finally got some comfort he wanted from his mom all along and everything he did was a cry for help or attention....idk i kind of saw fear in his eyes but also some weird emotion that isn’t necessarily happy nor sad maybe even some “form of affection “that he felt he got...I love that your take on thing is so different and how the movie allows us to do so❤️

I'd argue that, even for it to be manipulation. He is scared, genuinely scared in this moment. Kevin and Eva's relationship had been so fraught with difficulty and distance. Eva blaming her chained self on him, and he reciprocated that hatred. But that hatred defined him to spite her. But when he fell ill; he needed comfort and Eva gave that to him. There was no effort, no single attempt.. He needed her then and saw something real.. tangible. Beyond what he understood. It was enough for Eva to fall in love with Kevin's heart, even if it'd be shrouded once more from her. All his life, he's yearned for something more from Eva. But the distance returned and Eva wouldn't ever try to break through more than once. Even with all his walls, the only honesty he's ever been accustomed to was when she broke his arm in a fit of rage. He couldn't find a way to express the desire he wanted from his mother. And Eva could never find the strength to break through her son's walls against her. Kevin didn't care for anyone else but his mother. Not with love, but to see the genuine emotion that Eva displayed in brisk moments. No more fake smiles, faked interest in him, just raw emotion. He felt raw love, raw hatred, raw malice, and that was all he wanted from his mother. Her suffering was real to him... and this final scene is the last bit of raw love he'd feel once more. Eva; despite everything that happened carried a love for him deep inside despite everything. Nothing could change or fix what happened. Kevin will be sent to Prison and he'll be the weakest link among them all. Eva will live as the pariah of sorrow to channel upon. Eva's life will forever be tainted by her son's actions and the years of guilt she carries... But the light at the exit may allude that she will live on. She won't be able to visit every day, nor ever see Kevin the same way again. But this final moment, she may've said goodbye to the last bit of Kevin that she loved deeply.

I promise you, people in prison really could care less if you’re a killer or even a rasict. they’ll mess you up for touching kids, but a killer? in jail maybe you’ll turn some head, prison, no one cares.

Yep

The page before the book begins. What a fabulous quote.

Madgirlwithabox I know I'm gonna sound like an ignorant dick, but if he killed my lover & my daughter I can't see how I could ever love him. 😐 (I know he is mentally ill)

are you a mother?

He's not mentally ill. He's a violent psychopath.

Aivottaja psychopaths are mentally ill.

so.... she's gonna commit suicide, hence the blinding light.

@@jes4408 no

doomsday let’s hope she doesn’t-

@@jes4408 I was actually wondering why she didn't commit suicide in the movie... She's gone through so much, her family is dead, everyone in town hates her and think she was indirectly responsible for the massacre... It should be soul crushing and it's surprising that she didn't suicide. My guess is: by killing herself, she would be giving Kevin what he wants, and she doesn't want that.

@@isadora4237 yeah that is true

I agree

Is there a meaning to why he said this? Or am I overthinking it?

​​@@isaacmurillo9139I think he always thought his mother hated him, that's why he was so awful to her, that's why he killed all those people and not her - to punish her. But after everything she still visits him. He's scared of going to the big boys prison and feels real fear for the 1st time. She is still there. He realises she had always loved him and still does.

you sound like Cleveland

+Knuckles9T5 I'm laughing way too hard than I should...

lol this made my day

Not necessarily. We'd all be better off without earthly possessions!

Knuckles9T5 took me a minute..lol

PunkExMachina Exactly!!

I've never watched this movie but fear pf what?

{cookiemonster} Stu:Dio fear of what is waiting for him

something tells me that kevin's mom knew that she would have to face this. Could it be possible she was hiding her true face from something kevin didn't knew entirely? Maybe her Mom is more of a monster than he really is..

The audiobook is on KZfaq and explains the story so much better than the movie. There is more to the ending in the book. It’s a wonderful book, I highly recommend reading it or listening to it.

Spot on.

That was my interpretation. It's honestly a very bittersweet moment in an otherwise very disturbing film.

Not really, in the book she shows up to visit him to show everybody that she is such a good mother and is just playing a part

No he was always evil. Born that way. He loved manipulating her and especially his dad.

Yes,she never bonded with him.She said I'd rather be in France at one point in the movie

I don't think we'll be seeing much more of him on screen.

Lol

@@Kevin_Kennelly you will. Give it a couple more years.

As many other actors

One trick pony

Maybe I'm missing something, but if he murdered like a dozen people wouldn't that mean he's basically be in prison for life?

@@ipreferfantasylife8683 Iirc he timed it right so that he wasn't 16 yet. He was given a more lenient sentencing (but had to be transferred to the adult penitentiary after he turned 18)

@@ipreferfantasylife8683 in the book it’s stated that he only got a 7 year sentence after successfully arguing in court that Prozac caused him to murder his classmates

@@ipreferfantasylife8683 It definetly depends on the prosecution, the charges, and the judge. He was a minor, first offender, and probably had a decent lawyer, its very likely hed get minimum for a lesser sentencing than certain sentencings and would probably be given less time for good behavior.

I know mothers are sometimes not in control when it comes to loving their children, i get that. But accepting them into your home, after that and knowing that he probably will be the same, is extremely weird to me.

Boring comfortable suburbia is easy to rebel against but get a taste of real poverty or get out of comfort zone can be a real shock to the system.

Agreed. This and David Fincher movies always make me uncomfortable.

ive been wanting to feel that feeling since worlds greatest dad

I genuinely and honestly think that just simplifying this as labeling him a sociopath is ridiculous and such an oversimplification.

"simply for his own pleasure" is also such an oversimplification.

@@misterbobby8913i think he wanted her attention

@@blue-sq7tj definitely

I think just her sitting in the chair he usually sat at was indication enough that she wasn't going to let him control her life.

+Dafty Agreed. That's what I was thinking when I watched this movie.

+Christian 4_Realzz I watched it because I wanted to see if he could be the flash and I found a dark corner that no one likes to look at because it makes you think about life

And underrated.

Ezra Miller is the Flash! You think its possible for Kevin to be screwed up and the reason why he killed his classmates was b/c he hated the school and his parents! This movie was messed up and the mother pays the price for what Kevin did! Reminds me of Columbine April 20 1999 !

And a really good "masturbater"

I saw the movie as a portrait of a rejected, angry kid trying to make his mom as miserable as himself. He hated that she didn't loved him and she tried SO HARD, but he wanted her to be miserable because she made him miserable. He killed classmates because they bullied him, he killed his sister cuz she did NOTHING but their mom loved her, he killed his father cuz his mother loved him. He didn't kill the mother cuz he wanted her to suffer like he was. Not saying it's OK what he did, he did it out of anger and childish - she asks why he did it and he wasn't sure, because It doesn't matter anymore. he thought her misery would bring him some sort of joy but it doesn't - her love would. And now he's even sadder

best movie line ever ! "Nervous...? Do you know anything about those places...?"

@@nay5783 I don't think his goal was to make her hurt. Ever since he was a baby he was different, the only person in his family that he had traits in common with was his mother. But she was cold and made him think she did not love him, since he had nothing in common with his father or sister he likely felt very alone and unloved. His acts weren't for the sole purpose of making her suffer, it was to get her attention and make her feel truly alone.

right when I heard that I cried

@@nay5783 Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I think this is a very smart theory.

pup lover didn't know it was a book! Time to read it omg

He's not sorry. He's trying to compromise because he's afraid of going to a real prison.

Does it really matter?

I did t know there was a book

Yea well the movie took me 2 hours to watch and it didn't require reading. Sorry, I couldn't resist the Jim Gaffigan line.

Best most insightful comment on this page. The highest up votes here have gone to those w/their no experience/understanding of what you saw and the book validates.

You are talking nothing but facts here

she hates her son, before and after. and he killed her husband and daugher so yea. she is dead inside

Her son also killed other people's kids

She's tired.

Justinhulk yet she stayed with him. i think Kevin somewhat respects her for that, for staying with him even after he ruined her entire life.

Isn’t she?

Wow

apart from it didn't have the coffin bit! Or the robin hood book waiting for him

Absolutely spot on.

Ben "your scilence says a thousand words"

Love? AHAHAHA. Kevin can't feel love. What his eyes express is fear and desperation because he's about to be shipped to the big boys' playground.

Lewis Reeves so do I

Kevin is not just a murderer he is a psychopath. Manipulative, lacking empathy, egocentrism: he has all of that. He also killed a hamster which is a typical pattern psychopaths take before killing humans.

@@sylvia8112 Wow I hope you're joking. Feeling sorry for a fictional character, even one as terrible as Kevin, makes someone evil? What the fuck?

@BanquetOfTheLeviathan Most psychopaths aren't murderers, a minority of them are but most live like normal people. However ALL of them are selfish, narcissistic, manipulative and difficult to be around, that's just in their nature unfortunately

Absolutely no sympathy. He was evil since he was a child and never cared for anyone.

Well said

TRUE

Not really, he just played himself.

@Love, Rick go watch spatnz ezra miller

@@Wis_Domlame ahh joke

@@ilaypipefr6675 11 months old and it still triggered you? It must be pretty effective. Or you are just THAT pathetic. LMFAO!

🤣🤣🤣🤣YUP!

We need to talk about Ezra

he''s a sexual offender, not a murderer. i know he's a horrible person but murder? rude as

Wow, that should've been left in.

It seemed more like his lack of love from his mother led him to hate her intensely from an early age which led to an obsession with spiting her at every turn. His life goal was to spite her as much as possible. When he finally did what he knew would break her the most, he was unfulfilled and realized how pointless it was. Hence the line where he says he doesn't even know why he's doing it anymore.

People with the genes to make them antisocial can be productive members of society. This was learned through a scientist's discovery that he had the same brain patterns as serial killers. The difference? In all of his childhood photos, he was smiling. He had a family that loved him and he was not abused. It's neither nature nor nurture, it's nature *AND* nurture. So good parental relationships can make all the difference--not the kind where one side is faked. The kind he could've had with his mother if she'd accepted and loved him with full warmth. A child has to be both seen for who they are, and loved for who they are to be truly healthy.

Whitley Lol Lots of people grow up without motherly love and don't go on a murdering spree! There is no blood on the mothers hand! It's all on him. Cut it with the liberal sympathy

That was my exact reaction! Just cause someone has mommy issues doesn't make him a killer!

Sammi ss No one is blaming the mother for murder. But the mother raised him so she obviously contributed to his character. Try to think before saying something stupid next time.

Pep Hau I watched this scene and was amazed too at how her kept going back to see him and then it hit me.... She's a mother. I think there's certainly a supernatural bond that forms between a true parent and a child (blood or adopted doesn't matter). This is her some and he's all her has left. I think even though she was initially a bad mother, she truly did try over and over again to connect with him because of the unseen bond that ties them. despite the horrendous things he's done... He. Is. Her. Son. And he may have not given her a verbal apology or sign of remorse but his words "I don't know anymore" are a sign of a step in the right direction .... Lol, I could go on... I'll stop now.

Disagree. She asked him "why", and he actually did confess that he's "not sure anymore", admitting that, no, he didn't "manage everything so well". And there are deliberate, non-verbal things going on here too. She actually nods affirmatively after he responds to her question, if you look closely. And, when they go to hug, he does it like a little kid with both arms lowered (since the adult will assumedly be taller), even though - ergonomically - he's a bit bigger than she is. And she goes into it w/ both arms on top, as if to smother him w/ a blanket for comfort and security (before he's tossed into the lion's den). So, IMO that was the "give" and the "accept". He essentially rolls the ball to her, and now she gets to decide whether to acknowledge it or not. He admits (in few words) that he messed up, that he's scared and needs her. She embraces him to show that she's still "there" for him, that he's not alone.

When he admits that he doesn't know why he did it anymore, he's releasing the false narrative that he did it because he hates her so much. That's what he means. He's been using her as a scapegoat for all the emotional torture he puts her through for years, and when he finally abandons that, you can see the relief on her face. That is why she is able to move on. She keeps visiting him before because even though it is torture to her, she believes he deserves to get the chance to inflict pain on her for all the pain she supposedly inflicted on him. She irons his shirts and keeps his room clean to hurt herself as well. She takes all the slaps and abuse the others hurl at her because she believes it is penance. At that moment, he finally told her that she hadn't just suffered "enough," she never needed to suffer at all. Why he did this, we can only guess. But it is redemptive for her.

@@_Cujo_ My god how perfectly you described it. This is exactly how I interpret it as well but wouldn't have been able to put it into words.

*their

@@kelsiemcveety999*nobody gives a fuck, dweeb

IKR? I keep thinking What Would Gabriel Do?

she tried to make the best of it and maybe he sensed her bad energy just because you used to something doesn't mean you like it

It seemed more like his lack of love from his mother led him to hate her intensely from an early age which led to an obsession with spiting her at every turn. His life goal was to spite her as much as possible. When he finally did what he knew would break her the most, he was unfulfilled and realized how pointless it was. Hence the line where he says he doesn't even know why he's doing it anymore.

Z Hancox Not really an excuse. She tried to bond with him.

Ramofields Fieldamona thats true. There is no excuse for Kevin’s lashing out..especially the way that he did it. But even Tilda Swinton said in an interview that Kevin hated her because she wasn’t mentally ‘there’.

Ramofields Fieldamona Exactly, it’s not a strong argument. Yes she didn’t want to become a mother like most women with unplanned pregnancies, but sensing her bad energy? That’s a stretch. She really made the effort to bond with him but his reaction was too volatile and unusual for a kid. All he had to do was show little affection and he would have won her over for the rest of his life.

FierceONeill which is probably why he killed the dad and the daughter. Notice right after he overhears the dad say that he wants custody over Kevin and to discuss the divorce, he kills students at his school then he kills the only people that the mom loved. She resented him early on cause she wanted to be a world traveler not a mother and Kevin was a constant reminder that Eva could never pursue her life-goal dreams. So in a twisted way Kevin yearned for the attention of his mother. The only way he seemed to get it was through acting out so she would break his arm and kill the ones she loved. Now all she has is Kevin. He killed the dad and daughter to maybe get some sort of victory over his mom to make her either hate him more or give attention.

OKAY STOP WITH THE POEMS

@@fsd2696 omg you’re right !!

I don't think that's precisely the case. the final scene came off that Eva finally is moving on with her own life. She isn't cutting ties with Kevin as she is forever connected to him... But she simply finds some solace she needed to move on. Why Kevin did what he did... and in the end, even he doesn't know why he did it. Maybe she already knows but needed to hear it from Kevin himself. She leaves a space for Kevin to come home to, if and when he eventually leaves that prison. But she's ready to move on with her life by stepping into the light. These visits will no longer be as common, though its likely she'll still visit him in prison. to show she still loves her son... Not the monster that killed people.

​@@Polomance862in the book, she mentions he has five more years, so I think he will leave the prison. That is... if the other guys don't get him first.

The best talk is to stop watching his movies.

He wanted to punish her, let her know that she fucked up with him.

Rory Gilmartinr making a metaphor an using it as an argument is completely flawed. There’s a reason when doing studies in human behavior they don’t come to a conclusion by just making a metaphor that sounds nice

Aiden R He's right though

Rory Gilmartinr Therapy doesn't help psychopaths, they've been shown to be more likely to reoffend when their given therapy in prison.

LRN_News I’m sorry but my dumb ass is confused on whether Kevin is a psychopath or a sociopath. I know there’s a difference but there’s a lot of comments that kind of blur the lines between the two. Please explain-

Those people just want to be edgy...ignore them.

Jennyfisch how would he not though? They don't let people run around killing eachother in a maximum security prison

Cheryl Lynne different time period, jeffery was left unsupervised with other inmates. From what i understand, they don't let prisoners especially of the extremely dangerous variation just wander around with other inmates without supervision. I don't know why they let people like him wander around other inmates in the first place. Luckily he became docile, or he couldve killed more people in the prison

@@rikifromplanetk8305 Ohhh man you don't get it. This kid has two options, either: 1) you're out in the commons w/ other prisoners who - for the most part - find murderers like this reprehensible, and who will physically and/or sexually brutalize him to no end. 2) if the brutalization is too much to endure, he can cause some trouble to get himself locked up in isolation. That would be safe, but people lose their minds being locked in in a what is essentially box with no human contact 23 hours out of the day. Prisoners spend plenty of time unsupervised or minimally-supervised. How many guards do you think they have staffing these places? And do you think the guards are going to be looking out for people like this? Unless a knife fight breaks out in the open, guards aren't going to get involved in the petty day-to-day antics and violence among various groups of prisoners.

@@rikifromplanetk8305 Also - "different time period"? Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in the mid-90's. There hasn't some vast update to the way these places are generally run in the last 20 years. It's not like Dahmer's conviction was 100 years ago.

tbh both are sociopaths which makes it interesting

What was the other one? (Sorry for 3 year delay)

​@@sal6695when she asked why he didn't shoot her, he replied something along the lines of not shooting your audience (referring her)

I dont think he suddenly 'wants his mommy'. I think he came to realise that she was the only hook he had left after hunting dosn any person that couldve cared. She is the last place that means hope after the next years in prison and he knows that after jail he can come live with her. Another form kf his ongoing manipulation. He wouldve killed his mother as well jf he didnt want her to suffer that much, now this turns out good for him again as the mother really has a place for him at her house.

I listened to the audiobook. I recommend it!!

Unless you count the multiple homicides

Not redemption, acceptance

We're going to find out many actors like Ezra r extremely dark, soulless monsters who should've NEVER been idolized to begin with. This scene was hauntingly prophetic.

@@rebelfighter5249 the wick never sleep. I’ve been taught at a young age to never idolizes these ppl most if not all of them are devil worshiper

No he didn't.

I don't think he did? Iirc he said something along the lines of "you don't shoot the audience."

I didn’t even know there’s a book

he said when putting on a show you don't shoot the audience

Better get ready for some cheekbusting! 😅

@@mridlon1634 ,,,he's done that already !

Poulomi Hari True! I was literally getting an entire monologue from his eyes alone.

Lol. This aged well. Maybe he played it so well Bc he’s similar irl

No acting required. So it would seem.

It's like casting Ted Bundy and saying "Now, I need you to play a cold hearted psychotic killer, do you think you can do that for me?".

He is but he's so problematic now

I agree

Wtf are you talking about?

The dialogue isn't great. A lot of clunky exposition delivered in the first couple of minutes.

*they

​@@kelsiemcveety999 shut up

*they

​@@kelsiemcveety999he

Fanny Alexander if a child can't love the one that gave him life, I feel he's incapable of truly loving anyone.

Good points but damn don't forget about fathers.

Psychopaths are unable to love in the same way we do. Their love is based on loyalty and trust and I think thats what Kevin has for his mother. Through the years he was always an asshole to her but she never gave up on him. I think thats why he didnt kill her. He couldn't, He knew she is the only person who always truly stood by him while knowing what a monster he was and appreciated it.

angie sanders A child never asked to be given life. A child never asked to be put in this world. They don't owe anyone anything. And parents can be abusive, even emotionally abusive, that can subconsciously affect the development of a child's brain. Kevin's mother hated her son from the start, and you all know it. This caused Kevin to spite her mom, because of the disconnect between them and the lack of love from his mom.

Celestial Dragon that’s very true. But he still a bad seed😅 and his mom tried really hard to love him despite everything.

Harvey Dent He killed the family to make her suffer

Lol no it doesn’t, Kevin does not want that.

Hebrew Anon if you read the book, the mom told him he could live with her when he gets out of prison and then they both hug and apologize to each other.

Ur joking right

In the book it says that he would be freed at 23 and that she finally realized she loved him and will always have a spare room for him with the robin hood book on the side of the bed

Most disturbing movie ever? Nah, movies like A Serbian Film, Saló or the 100 Days of Sodom, Anti-Christ, and Martyrs have it beat (and I've seen two of those). But it is still pretty disturbing on the grounds that it's pretty realistic.

*they

@@kelsiemcveety999 HE is not trans. HE is a predator… and this is coming from a trans woman. You’re welcome. 👍🏼

Okay as a trans woman you must be aware that people can be predators and still be trans or non-binary? I'm non binary and I know plenty of shitty people cis and trans. You can hate someone and still respect their pronouns

​@@kelsiemcveety999 nonbinary isn't real sorry